Holocaust vs Slave Trade: Who suffered more?

[sweggeh]

Simple question.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Simple question.

Well after a land and society was created for them in their original homeland after their atrocities were addressed, only one of the affected parties chose to remain.

[russwest0]

Lets see, one race got free transportation out of africa and the other got mass killed in gas chambers.

[rezznor]

native americans

[SugarHill]

Lets see, one race got free transportation out of africa and the other got mass killed in gas chambers.
:facepalm

[SunsN07BookIt]

native americans


Ding!

[ArbitraryWater]

Slaves have higher longevity, but Holocaust is higher peak.

[wakencdukest]

We all know the Jews suffered more. A better question would be "who recovered better?"

[QuebecBaller]

Slaves have higher longevity, but Holocaust is higher peak.


this

[Nick Young]

biased answer here-but the Jews. Don't forget, we were being enslaved en masse since before Jesus was even born.

[sweggeh]

native americans

Native Americans suffered the most for sure, thats why I didnt put them in.

Its also funny how they have the least sympathy, even though they faced the worst atrocities by far.

[oarabbus]

The Chinese had it worse than the Jews in WWII.

[Trollsmasher]

interesting question - 6 bazillion Jews dead vs destruction of advanced African utopias

can't decide

[9erempiree]

The Jews had it bad. Civilizations can be built.

[ace23]

Native Americans suffered the most for sure, thats why I didnt put them in.

Its also funny how they have the least sympathy, even though they faced the worst atrocities by far.
How did Native Americans suffer more than Holocaust victims? And why are they even being brought up? Question has nothing to do with race.

[sweggeh]

Getting enslaved is very beta

Jews do actually manage to get themselves enslaved at a very extraordinary rate.

[sweggeh]

How did Native Americans suffer more than Holocaust victims? And why are they even being brought up? Question has nothing to do with race.

First of all, Im not only talking about the victims themselves. I am talking about the respective communities as a whole.

Secondly, you should check out the Native Americans and what was done to them. Seriously, its beyond grim. And it was on a larger scale than the Jews. At least people were fighting Hitler. Nobody was there to save the natives, it just kept going until they were completely disintegrated as a people.

[ace23]

First of all, Im not only talking about the victims themselves. I am talking about the respective communities as a whole.

Secondly, you should check out the Native Americans and what was done to them. Seriously, its beyond grim. And it was on a larger scale than the Jews. At least people were fighting Hitler. Nobody was there to save the natives, it just kept going until they were completely disintegrated as a people.
Which slave trade are you talking about? Only the Transatlantic slave trade? Are you only talking about black people? There were Native American slaves in the Americas.

What exactly are you asking?

[sweggeh]

Which slave trade are you talking about? Only the Transatlantic slave trade? Are you only talking about black people? There were Native American slaves in the Americas.

What exactly are you asking?

I am generally talking about the slave trade of Africans vs the Holocaust involving the Jews. I said I didnt include the Genocide of the Native Americans because it my opinion it was a lot worse than both of the aforementioned tragedies. Holocaust vs Slave Trade is closer in terms of the comparison of suffering. In my opinion.

[Droid101]

Slaves have higher longevity, but Holocaust is higher peak.
True. Also, slavery was efficient but not dominant.

[SunsN07BookIt]

How did Native Americans suffer more than Holocaust victims? And why are they even being brought up? Question has nothing to do with race.

I think people are less sympathetic to Jews because of their ability pick themselves up and adapt to their current situation more successfully than almost any group of persecuted people in history. While some other people who faced persecution, were not able able to improve themselves and squandered around in mediocrity, Jews have always been able to improve themselves quickly and are very successful today, to the envy of many.

[Nick Young]

Getting enslaved is very beta
we got out of it dawg. parted the damned seas

[sweggeh]

I think people are less sympathetic to Jews because of their ability pick themselves up and adapt to their current situation more successfully than almost any group of people in history. While some other people who faced persecution, were not able able to improve themselves and squandered around in mediocrity, Jews have always been able to improve themselves quickly and are very successful today, to the envy of many.

Jew detected.

How can you compare the situation facing Jews after the Holocaust to the situation facing African Americans? The Jews just went back to rebuilding their lives.

African Americans were stuck in a country that wasn't theirs, had no history or lineage, victims of very popular racist sentiments of the majority of the population, and had no rights at all. It has only been the last few decades where black people have been giving anywhere near equal opportunities to white people in America.

[SexSymbol]

Kickin the holocaust out of the building
The solitary minds and left alone children
Enslavement doesn't seem to be as bad
When all of you are turned into ashes by gas

[SunsN07BookIt]

Jew detected.

How can you compare the situation facing Jews after the Holocaust to the situation facing African Americans? The Jews just went back to rebuilding their lives.

African Americans were stuck in a country that wasn't theirs, had no history or lineage, victims of very popular racist sentiments of the majority of the population, and had no rights at all. It has only been the last few decades where black people have been giving anywhere near equal opportunities to white people in America.

The fvck? I'm not Jewish.

Jews didn't just go about rebuilding their lives, they had to move to a different land that most of them had never been to and build a society from the ground up. African slaves were offered the same opportunity in Liberia but most of them obviously thought things were better in America, as fvcked up for them as it was, rather than gamble on going back to their homeland and try to succeed on their own.

[Trollsmasher]

That was just one dude tho
He was raw as fvk doe
http://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/christian-bale-exodus.jpg

[rezznor]

Native Americans suffered the most for sure, thats why I didnt put them in.

Its also funny how they have the least sympathy, even though they faced the worst atrocities by far.


yup. it's estimated between 80-100 million native americans died after the europeans showed up (mostly from european diseases). to put that in context,the population of europe at the time was 70 million.

[LJJ]

yup. it's estimated between 80-100 million native americans died after the europeans showed up (mostly from european diseases). to put that in context,the population of europe at the time was 70 million.

Well, the estimates actually range from a population 10-140 million Native Americans before the Europeans showed up.

In other words, even the experts have no real idea.

[oarabbus]

That was just one dude tho
He was raw as fvk doe

:lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lets see, one race got free transportation out of africa and the other got mass killed in gas chambers.

This made me legit lol. I really hope it was a joke.

[rezznor]

Well, the estimates actually range from a population 10-140 million Native Americans before the Europeans showed up.

In other words, even the experts have no real idea.


yea we can never know for sure but that's why i picked the 80-100 million range since that's about where most estimates lie.

[Joyner82reload]

Is this a fvcking joke? There were 8 million jews in Europe when the Third Reich started. 5.8 million of them were killed over the 12 year span. Yes that's right, 73% of Jews living in Europe were flat out murdered. And we're sitting here comparing this to the slave trade? Jesus christ, the slave trade was awful...but don't compare it to the Holocaust. Sure both were tragedies, but lol @ slavery vs mass genocide. Gee let's ask ourselves a question; Would you rather be a black man in the US in the 1700's or a jew in Nazi-occupied europe in the early 1940's.

[Joyner82reload]

Can this thread be deleted anyway? We shouldn't compare atrocities that man kind has made in terms of degrees of suffering. But just lol @ slavery or death.

[Dresta]

This is an idiot thread made by a first-class idiot.

[GimmeThat]

well

did more Germans died for the Holocaust
or did more Americans died because of the civil war?

[Dresta]

well

did more Germans died for the Holocaust
or did more Americans died because of the civil war?
Very few of them actually died for the Holocaust, you know.

Nazism has to be taken as something that was done to the German people as well as something they are responsible for. The Nazis forced complicity through fear, and Hitler, after victory seemed off the cards, seemed to switch is focus to German annihilation.

I have (or had) a relative that was in a German prison camp (slav), and he initially had a guard who was quite kindly, would do him favours, bring him stuff etc. But when this was found out by another guard and reported, the guy was sent to the Eastern front, and that was the end of any kindly treatment (the guards used to do things like half-starve the people there with inedible food, and then every now and then they'd chuck in a joint of meat to watch the starved prisoners fight over it). It was like institutionalised cruelty, where being nice could easily cost you your life.

[ILLsmak]

Simple question.

gotta look at it on a case by case basis, chief.

Altho I often think of those things when people say dumb shit like "millions of people can't be wrong!"

-Smak

[GimmeThat]

Very few of them actually died for the Holocaust, you know.

Nazism has to be taken as something that was done to the German people as well as something they are responsible for. The Nazis forced complicity through fear, and Hitler, after victory seemed off the cards, seemed to switch is focus to German annihilation.

I have (or had) a relative that was in a German prison camp (slav), and he initially had a guard who was quite kindly, would do him favours, bring him stuff etc. But when this was found out by another guard and reported, the guy was sent to the Eastern front, and that was the end of any kindly treatment (the guards used to do things like half-starve the people there with inedible food, and then every now and then they'd chuck in a joint of meat to watch the starved prisoners fight over it). It was like institutionalised cruelty, where being nice could easily cost you your life.



well, I might have to say that in both cases, the reason they kept them alive was because they wanted more.

edit- thanks for correcting the grammar

[MavsSuperFan]

Slaves have higher longevity, but Holocaust is higher peak.
:lol

doe you underestimating the peak of the atlantic slave trade to south america.

[mehyaM24]

people of the holocaust.

now if we're talking about africa and the rwanda genocide, that's a bit different.

[masonanddixon]

Holocaust obviously

There's a few things liberals don't mention about slavery in America

1. It wasn't relegated to blacks only. There were English convicts, homosexuals, and other petty criminals as well.
2. These were captured in war amongst African tribes. Liberals try to portray it as if the big bad white man just came in there and rounded them up (this is actually when Muslims did in the Arab slave trade-check it out)
3 Slavery was absolutely essentially economically. You need to detach the emotional aspects of it and focus purely on the economic side.
4. Slavery was going down everywhere at the time but it broke down in places like South America because owners realized slaves were shitty labor.

[9512]

Suffered more how? How would pain of an individual be quantified?

IMO...Blacks are not the only slaves in America's history. It's just that the racism was overt and blatant. There are more slaves (regardless of nationality, skin color, or creed) today in 2014 than there were during the black slavery days.

From the average American who slaves away at menial labor to overseas sweat shops of people who work for pennies in one day's work. And even middle management is a pawn who answers to some other person higher in the food chain. They do what they do to simply afford housing and food.

....but with the guise of freedom (GO USA!) and their perceived contribution to the economic model and increase of a country's GDP, people's suffering is off set by that illusory accomplishment that they are working and should be commended for it.

Holocaust people were sent to camps and knew their last day was approaching so they suffered mentally/physically for fewer days/months/and even years.