How come no body gives Nash the respect a 2 time MVP should get?

[MavsSuperFan]

Also
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[SouBeachTalents]

Oh boy

[riseagainst]

he's a top 5 PG probably, but not top 20.

[Imtheman]

You mean the MVP's he robbed Kobe out of?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Do we all just discredit him because we feel he didnt deserve his MVPs?
A lot of people feel that way, yes. I don't think I disrespect him personally but it's a fact that I don't think of him as a dominant player over his whole career. The two MVP seasons in PHX he was probably the best PG but the stats he had in those seasons aren't that far ahead of seasons we've seen from KJ, Tim Hardaway, Mark Price and others.

[GrapeApe]

You mean the MVP's he robbed Kobe out of?

Kobe's teams didn't have a good enough record in the years Nash won his MVP's. He was phenominal individually, but you're not winning an MVP on a sub 50 win team.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think part of it is because those teams were just a bit ahead of the curve, and just after those teams there was a wave of teams going small, and unleashing the throttle on good PGs, so I think it retrospect those two season have lost a little of their luster. Along with the other stuff, like the numbers not being super dynamic, and the fact that Shaq and Kobe may have deserved one each of those.

I'd have to lay all the names out, but I'd suspect he's 25-30 for me. But almost certainly below any other multiple MVP winner.

[masonanddixon]

Because he's white. Simple as that.

No one criticizes Iverson nor Rose even though neither of them deserved MVP and neither were top 5 players

[NZStreetBaller]

Its because he has spent his remainder years robbing the lakers. Hes no longer fit to play and needs to retire

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Because he's white. Simple as that.

No one criticizes Iverson nor Wade even though neither of them deserved MVP and neither were top 5 players
:biggums: :biggums:
Wade never won MVP and they both were easily top 5 players:biggums:

Phoenixs medical staff and Dantonis system made Nashs career thats a fact. The 05 MVP was in a weak year when Shaq shouldve won it anyway but they liked the story of some random canadian turn
06 was a robbery

[masonanddixon]

:biggums: :biggums:
Wade never won MVP and they both were easily top 5 players:biggums:

Phoenixs medical staff and Dantonis system made Nashs career thats a fact. The 05 MVP was in a weak year when Shaq shouldve won it anyway but they liked the story of some random canadian turn
06 was a robbery

I meant Rose. And neither Iverson nor Rose were top 5 when they won MVP.

Not sure why people think Shaq deserved it in 04-05. He made the ECF and lost in 6, Nash made the WCF in a far tougher WC.

Nash in 04-05 took a team that won 17 games the previous season to the league's best record. That absolutely merits an MVP. And quite clearly, too.

The only reason people discredit him is because of his skin color. Simple as that.

[joe]

''D'Antoni's system created him.''

Where are all the other PG's being placed in systems that allow them to repeatedly put up historically great offensive numbers? Do coaches not like to copy extremely successful systems? All they need is an above average PG and they could do it, right?

''His teams were stacked.''

2006, he takes a Suns team without Amare to the second seed, and conference finals. This team had Boris Diaw playing center.

2005 they made it to the conference finals before Joe Johnson got hurt.

2007 and 2010 they simply lost to better teams, led by players greater than Nash himself (Duncan and Kobe). But when comparing him to non-legends, guys below Duncan and Kobe and Lebron, Nash seems to get a lot of disrespect.

''He didn't deserve two MVP's (or even one).''


In 2005 Nash was the most significant difference in a team that went from the lottery to the best team in the league. He was dropping 15.5 points and 11.5 assists and running one of the most dominant offenses in league history.

MEANWHILE..

Kobe was on a bad team. Lebron was not on a contender. Shaq was having a very good season, and very nearly won the MVP himself:


The 6-3 point guard, who returned this season to Phoenix where he spent the first two years of his career, totaled 1,066 points to narrowly edge out Shaquille O’Neal (1,032 points) of the Miami Heat in MVP voting. The 34-point difference is the fourth-closest voting margin since media began voting on this award in 1980-1981.

That is as close as it gets. But the fact is, Miami was above .500 before Shaq got there and he was splitting the spotlight with Wade, who arguably had a better statistical season than Shaq himself (24 points, 6.8 assists, 5 rebounds).

The Suns had 29 wins before Nash got there, 13 less than Shaqs. His team finished with more wins than Shaqs team, and he did it in a tougher conference. He did it with a flair that had not been seen from the point guard position in a long time, in the days before we had 400 great point guards populating the league. He was clutch, a great teammate, and made everyone around him better.

In the end, Shaq was dropping 22 and 10. He was not having a 30 and 11 year for Christs sake.

2005-2006:

Nash ups his scoring to 18.8, with a dip in assists to 10.5 His shooting numbers went up across the board. He led his team to 54 wins and a 2 seed in the West, despite losing Amare for the entire year. That is like the Thunder losing Westbrook and still being the 2 seed. Would the voters factor that in? Of course they would. It did a lot to validate Nash and made people realize he was the system, not the other way around. This team had Boris Diaw running center. The offensive brilliance of Nash was the only reason that was allowed to occur.

Meanwhile..

Everyone knew Lebron and Kobe were the best players, but they were not on good enough teams. The MVP award has always rewarded winning. To do it without your second best player just made the pieces fit: Nash was still the MVP. Dwyane Wade had another great season, but it was still considered more Shaqs show than his. Tim Duncan had more wins than Nash, but he was having a down year because of his foot injuries. Dirk had a great year, but Nash had more wins than his team without Amare.

When you really break it down, his back to back MVPs really make perfect sense. The only complaint you can make is that the BEST PLAYERS were Kobe and Lebron. But that is never how the MVP award is handed out. If you are not on a contender, it is rare as hell to get an MVP.

Was Nash lucky? Did he happen to become a great player right as Lebron was young, and Kobe was on a bad team? Absolutely. But if you just look at those years, he deserved those MVPs. And he is one of the greatest players I have had the privilege to watch.

[masonanddixon]

''D'Antoni's system created him.''

Where are all the other PG's being placed in systems that allow them to repeatedly put up historically great offensive numbers? Do coaches not like to copy extremely successful systems? All they need is an above average PG and they could do it, right?

''His teams were stacked.''

2006, he takes a Suns team without Amare to the second seed, and conference finals. This team had Boris Diaw playing center.

2005 they made it to the conference finals before Joe Johnson got hurt.

2007 and 2010 they simply lost to better teams, led by players greater than Nash himself (Duncan and Kobe). But when comparing him to non-legends, guys below Duncan and Kobe and Lebron, Nash seems to get a lot of disrespect.

''He didn't deserve two MVP's (or even one).''


In 2005 Nash was the most significant difference in a team that went from the lottery to the best team in the league. He was dropping 15.5 points and 11.5 assists and running one of the most dominant offenses in league history.

MEANWHILE..

Kobe was on a bad team. Lebron was not on a contender. Shaq was having a very good season, and very nearly won the MVP himself:



That is as close as it gets. But the fact is, Miami was above .500 before Shaq got there and he was splitting the spotlight with Wade, who arguably had a better statistical season than Shaq himself (24 points, 6.8 assists, 5 rebounds).

The Suns had 29 wins before Nash got there, 13 less than Shaqs. His team finished with more wins than Shaqs team, and he did it in a tougher conference. He did it with a flair that had not been seen from the point guard position in a long time, in the days before we had 400 great point guards populating the league. He was clutch, a great teammate, and made everyone around him better.

In the end, Shaq was dropping 22 and 10. He was not having a 30 and 11 year for Christs sake.

2005-2006:

Nash ups his scoring to 18.8, with a dip in assists to 10.5 His shooting numbers went up across the board. He led his team to 54 wins and a 2 seed in the West, despite losing Amare for the entire year. That is like the Thunder losing Westbrook and still being the 2 seed. Would the voters factor that in? Of course they would. It did a lot to validate Nash and made people realize he was the system, not the other way around. This team had Boris Diaw running center. The offensive brilliance of Nash was the only reason that was allowed to occur.

Meanwhile..

Everyone knew Lebron and Kobe were the best players, but they were not on good enough teams. The MVP award has always rewarded winning. To do it without your second best player just made the pieces fit: Nash was still the MVP. Dwyane Wade had another great season, but it was still considered more Shaqs show than his. Tim Duncan had more wins than Nash, but he was having a down year because of his foot injuries. Dirk had a great year, but Nash had more wins than his team without Amare.

When you really break it down, his back to back MVPs really make perfect sense. The only complaint you can make is that the BEST PLAYERS were Kobe and Lebron. But that is never how the MVP award is handed out. If you are not on a contender, it is rare as hell to get an MVP.

Was Nash lucky? Did he happen to become a great player right as Lebron was young, and Kobe was on a bad team? Absolutely. But if you just look at those years, he deserved those MVPs. And he is one of the greatest players I have had the privilege to watch.

Lebron wasn't better than him.

The top 2 were clearly Dirk and Kobe, then everyone else was in the mix.

[bdreason]

Because Jeremy Lin looked like Allen Iverson under the same offensive system. Nash is obviously a great player, but a 2x MVP? A lot of that has to do with inflated regular season numbers and a lot of media hype.

[StephHamann]

Nash is great but not Top 20.

Greatest PGs of all time:

1. Magic
2. Oscar
3. Stockton
4. Isiah
5. Nash

[bluechox2]

MVP goes to Phoenix medical stAff and their secret portal to the future where they smuggle back miracle drugs

[tpols]

Because Jeremy Lin looked like Allen Iverson under the same offensive system. Nash is obviously a great player, but a 2x MVP? A lot of that has to do with inflated regular season numbers and a lot of media hype.

where 15/6/3 = allen iverson.. he looked like poor mans Billups with no defense.

[joe]

Because Jeremy Lin looked like Allen Iverson under the same offensive system. Nash is obviously a great player, but a 2x MVP? A lot of that has to do with inflated regular season numbers and a lot of media hype.

Playoffs 2004-2005: Conference Finals

Nash: 23.9 Points. 11.3 Assists


Playoffs 2005-2006. Conference Finals Without Amare

Nash: 20.4 Points. 10.2 Assists


Playoffs 2006-2007. Conference Semi-Finals

Nash: 18.9 Points. 13.3 Assists


Playoffs 2009-2010. Conference Finals

Nash: 17.8 Points. 10.1 Assists

Every single one of these stats was up from his regular season statistics, minus his assist number in 2009-2010. If his regular season statistics were inflated, what were his playoff statistics?



Some clips...



Nash shredding the 2007 Spurs in the playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSzjeA35jwQ



Nash dropping 48 on the Mavericks in the 2005 playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ZesF2ioEE



Nash with 34/13/12 against the Mavericks in that same series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVyd19FDPkk



Nash 31 and 12 against the Clippers in the 2006 playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1c7UvlW6Nw



Nash 32 and 13 against the Lakers in 2006 playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8SN5oHl7aY


If anything, Nash underscored his own statistics in the regular season and always stepped it up in the playoffs. He was without a doubt one of the clutchest players in the league in his prime.

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron wasn't better than him.

The top 2 were clearly Dirk and Kobe, then everyone else was in the mix.

lebron was better than kobe that season. He put up 31 7 7:eek: :bowdown:

[G0ATbe]

Because he robbed Kobe of them.

[masonanddixon]

lebron was better than kobe that season. He put up 31 7 7:eek: :bowdown:

No he wasn't even close to Kobe. He just took a shitload of shots and was on a shitty team.

Dirk should've been MVP from 04-07, then Kobe for the next 3 seasons.

[navy]

Because he's white. Simple as that.

No one criticizes Iverson nor Rose even though neither of them deserved MVP and neither were top 5 players
:biggums:


:roll:


Here we go again with your racism and bullshit.

The reason nobody gives Nash "respect" for his 2 MVPS is that he wasnt the best player in the league and all time point guard wise he hasnt dont anything other than win two MVPs. You'll often here him discredited when it comes to Kobe or Shaq having 1 mvp each. Nobody thinks Nash is on their level, so he is the primary candidate to discredit the award. In retrospect it really isnt about Nash but about other players and his relation to them.

Has nothing to do with him being white. But never put it past ISH's residential racist to suggest as such.

[masonanddixon]

:biggums:


:roll:


Here we go again with your racism and bullshit.

The reason nobody gives Nash "respect" for his 2 MVPS is that he wasnt the best player in the league and all time point guard wise he hasnt dont anything other than win two MVPs. You'll often here him discredited when it comes to Kobe or Shaq having 1 mvp each. Nobody thinks Nash is on their level, so he is the primary candidate to discredit the award. In retrospect it really isnt about Nash but about other players and his relation to them.

Has nothing to do with him being white. But never put it past ISH's residential racist to suggest as such.


lol what did I say that was racist? Or is 'having opinions not shared by the herd' now code for 'racism'?

The fact is no one criticizes Rose and Iverson when they were clearly not the best nor even top 5 whereas Nash receives all sort of comments, and it's all because he's white. Nash has even come out and said so himself. Whether you want to be believe it or not, race plays a huge factor in basketball, especially with casual fans.

I don't think Shaq was even better that season. The only 3 guys definitely better in 04-05 were Dirk, Kobe, and Duncan. Nash led PHX to such a dramatic turnaround and out West that there was absolutely nothing wrong with him winning the MVP. He didn't deserve it in 05-06, and only got it because he kept a shittier PHX team to a top 5 record.

[Marchesk]

Nash is great but not Top 20.

Greatest PGs of all time:

1. Magic
2. Oscar
3. Stockton
4. Isiah
5. Nash

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tumblr_mky3ugYQRR1r4u8fmo1_400.jpg

http://kenreganphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SKMBT_C28013073011000-620x465.jpg

http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bob-cousy.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1371126274_jason-kidd-sportsbook-bonus.jpg

[oarabbus]

lol what did I say that was racist? Or is 'having opinions not shared by the herd' now code for 'racism'?

The fact is no one criticizes Rose and Iverson when they were clearly not the best nor even top 5 whereas Nash receives all sort of comments, and it's all because he's white. Nash has even come out and said so himself. Whether you want to be believe it or not, race plays a huge factor in basketball, especially with casual fans.

I don't think Shaq was even better that season. The only 3 guys definitely better in 04-05 were Dirk, Kobe, and Duncan. Nash led PHX to such a dramatic turnaround and out West that there was absolutely nothing wrong with him winning the MVP. He didn't deserve it in 05-06, and only got it because he kept a shittier PHX team to a top 5 record.


Lost all credibility when you said no one criticizes Rose and Iverson :roll:

[navy]

Lost all credibility when you said no one criticizes Rose and Iverson :roll:
Dude is a fool. No surprise he a racist. :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

Lost all credibility when you said no one criticizes Rose and Iverson :roll:

Those two barely got criticized in comparison to Nash. Especially Iverson who was a one dimensional player that was inefficient at his only dimension.

[oarabbus]

Those two barely got criticized in comparison to Nash. Especially Iverson who was a one dimensional player that was inefficient at his only dimension.


I have NEVER seen anyone get disrespected as badly as Iverson, compared to the level of player that they were. Let's not even get started on Rose and his hundreds of memes making fun of him across two years of inactivity, not to mention the common sentiment that he was undeserving of MVP compared to bron.
Almost everyone acknowledges Nash as an all time great PG, except for some haters, and they're just haters. It doesn't have anything to do with race. No one says Nash sucks, what they do say is that he doesn't deserve 2xMVP. Which I personally don't agree with, but it's certainly a fair argument. I've surely never seen people disrespect Nash by saying Rondo is better.

And plus weren't you the same guy who said Lin isn't an NBA caliber player anyway? Was that you?

[masonanddixon]

I have NEVER seen anyone get disrespected as badly as Iverson, compared to the level of player that they were. Let's not even get started on Rose and his hundreds of memes making fun of him across two years of inactivity, not to mention the common sentiment that he was undeserving of MVP compared to bron.
Almost everyone acknowledges Nash as an all time great PG, except for some haters, and they're just haters. It doesn't have anything to do with race. No one says Nash sucks, what they do say is that he doesn't deserve 2xMVP. Which I personally don't agree with, but it's certainly a fair argument. I've surely never seen people disrespect Nash by saying Rondo is better.

And plus weren't you the same guy who said Lin isn't an NBA caliber player anyway? Was that you?

No I have never spoken about Lin.

I've also never seen someone receive so much undue praise as Iverson. It goes both ways with him, it appears...

[navy]

lol what did I say that was racist? Or is 'having opinions not shared by the herd' now code for 'racism'?

The fact is no one criticizes Rose and Iverson when they were clearly not the best nor even top 5 whereas Nash receives all sort of comments, and it's all because he's white. Nash has even come out and said so himself. Whether you want to be believe it or not, race plays a huge factor in basketball, especially with casual fans.

I don't think Shaq was even better that season. The only 3 guys definitely better in 04-05 were Dirk, Kobe, and Duncan. Nash led PHX to such a dramatic turnaround and out West that there was absolutely nothing wrong with him winning the MVP. He didn't deserve it in 05-06, and only got it because he kept a shittier PHX team to a top 5 record.

You always say racist things and give yourself away quite openly. It isnt even debatable at this point. You've already been exposed by me multiple times. How many times have you posted where you weren't making a post about about race? It's obvious.

Get out here with that nonsense. Nobody criticizes Iverson or Rose? You know for a fact that isnt true at all. If you didn't know that then youre just willfully ignorant.

Race doesnt play the factor that you think it does nor the factor that you try to put out there. Im not going to say that race has no effect on anything but Im not going to sit here and entertain your delusions. Well, I keep responding to you, so maybe that statement isnt true....

Nash won the MVP. Looking back he is one of the worst multiple mvps of all time. It's like being the worst A student, but it is just reality. He will get criticized, more so because he has more mvps than certain individuals not because he was a bad player.

And not because he was white.

[dubeta]

Honestly I feel bad for Nash

He wasnt supposed too go out like this

Dude was basically putting up 20/10 well into mid 30's


Then suddenly once he comes to L.A he magically gets worse

Now people think he's washed up and a scrub, when they can't see that someone (who won't be named) turned him into a spot up shooter the last few years

Anyways, he's still a HOF lock

[oarabbus]

You always say racist things and give yourself away quite openly. It isnt even debatable at this point. You've already been exposed by me multiple times. How many times have you posted where you weren't making a post about about race? It's obvious.

Get out here with that nonsense. Nobody criticizes Iverson or Rose? You know for a fact that isnt true at all. If you didn't know that then youre just willfully ignorant.

Race doesnt play the factor that you think it does nor the factor that you try to put out there. Im not going to say that race has no effect on anything but Im not going to sit here and entertain your delusions. Well, I keep responding to you, so maybe that statement isnt true....

Nash won the MVP. Looking back he is one of the worst multiple mvps of all time. It's like being the worst A student, but it is just reality. He will get criticized, more so because he has more mvps than certain individual not because he was a bad player.

And not because he was white.


You don't get it Navy. People criticize Iverson because he's an inefficient chucker, and D Rose because he's just flashy but undeserving of his MVP.

But when they criticize Nash it's because he was white :lol

[masonanddixon]

You always say racist things and give yourself away quite openly. It isnt even debatable at this point. You've already been exposed by me multiple times. How many times have you posted where you weren't making a post about about race? It's obvious.

Get out here with that nonsense. Nobody criticizes Iverson or Rose? You know for a fact that isnt true at all. If you didn't know that then youre just willfully ignorant.

Race doesnt play the factor that you think it does nor the factor that you try to put out there. Im not going to say that race has no effect on anything but Im not going to sit here and entertain your delusions. Well, I keep responding to you, so maybe that statement isnt true....

Nash won the MVP. Looking back he is one of the worst multiple mvps of all time. It's like being the worst A student, but it is just reality. He will get criticized, more so because he has more mvps than certain individual not because he was a bad player.

And not because he was white.

Just post one racist message I have ever made on here. Thats all I want. Just one.

[navy]

Just post one racist message I have ever made on here. Thats all I want. Just one.
Just one? lol. Dude have you ever made a post not about race?

In response to someone buying an iphone.


Are you black?

I can't think of anyone except blacks and the lower classes who are fascinated by phones.

My response.
Your racism is showing. Again.

http://www.marketingprofs.com/charts/2013/10957/how-iphone-and-android-ownership-varies-by-demographic
http://www.pewinternet.org/data-trend/mobile/cell-phone-and-smartphone-ownership-demographics/

How is it you manage to bring race into every topic? You really think Blacks are lining up to buy iphones 6's? Amazing that your dumbass thinks lower class people are the are the primary phone connoisseurs as well.


You are hands down one of the dumbest people on this forum. At least the other people are only half serious or not at all. I hope you a troll. Because damn, your ignorance knows no bounds.




I dont have access to your post log, cant even access my own, but if a mod or admin wants to expose this fool they can just take a quick glance and show the world.

[oarabbus]

Just one? lol. Dude have you ever made a post not about race?

I dont have access to your your post log, cant even access my own, but if a mod or admin wants to expose this fool they can just take a quick glance and show the world.

This is literally the only forum I've used since 2005 that doesn't let you see post history. It's 2014 Jeff :biggums:



Are you black?

I can't think of anyone except blacks and the lower classes who are fascinated by phones.

This dude said "'Just post one racist message I made, just one" :lol

[navy]

This is literally the only forum I've used since 2005 that doesn't let you see post history. It's 2014 Jeff :biggums:
Im trying to figure out what jeff accomplishes by keeping ish in the stone age.:lol

Surely half the missing features can be simply added freely with the click of a check mark. Doesnt even need to update.

[Magic 32]

Now people think he's washed up and a scrub, when they can't see that someone (who won't be named) turned him into a spot up shooter the last few years



You would think that this would make the unnamed player a favorite of yours.

[masonanddixon]

Just one? lol. Dude have you ever made a post not about race?

In response to someone buying an iphone.



My response.




I dont have access to your post log, cant even access my own, but if a mod or admin wants to expose this fool they can just take a quick glance and show the world.


Thats not racist. Thats at worst a stereotype.

[navy]

Thats not racist. Thats at worst a stereotype.
lol exposed now wasting time arguing semantics?

If it was a one time thing maybe. Hey we all stereotype every now and then, but no. It is a continual thing with you. In fact it is all you post about.

Just a stereotype though. :roll:

[masonanddixon]

lol exposed now wasting time arguing semantics?

If it was a one time thing maybe. Hey we all stereotype every now and then, but no. It is a continual thing with you. In fact it is all you post about.

Just a stereotype though. :roll:

racist would be saying shit like 'race X is inferior and I hate them all.' Pointing out shit like stupid people are fascinated by iphones doesn't make one a racist.

keep reaching though. Maybe you can try to find out my identity and ruin my name like the liberal gestapo tries to do with everyone who has a pair of balls.

[navy]

racist would be saying shit like 'race X is inferior and I hate them all.' Pointing out shit like stupid people are fascinated by iphones doesn't make one a racist.

keep reaching though. Maybe you can try to find out my identity and ruin my name like the liberal gestapo tries to do with everything wi=ho has a **** and balls.

lol, no. You're like that guy who says he has one black friend so he cant possibly be racist. "I mean, I dont hate all blacks look, I hang out with this guy. "

All you do is post about race and have several racist post in which I have promptly called you out on. This makes you what? Just a dumbass? Prejudice? Intellectual? No, bitch. You are a racist. Im not sure why you are so opposed to the term. Have you haver made a post not about race? Do you really think it doesnt describe you? If jeff would stop being a bitch and get some post history going.

I dont have to reach. You have never posted on any topic where you didnt expose yourself. Humorously enough this is basketball message board. At least other posters hide it. Or you know, talk about basketball.

[oarabbus]

Are you black?

I can't think of anyone except blacks and the lower classes who are fascinated by phones.

List of Countries by Smartphone Users
1. United Arab Emirates
2. South Korea
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Singapore
5. Norway
6. Australia
7. Sweden
8. Hong Kong
9. UK
10. Denmark
11. Ireland
12. Israel
13. Canada
14. United States
15. Spain
Switzerland...


This dude hating on everyone in the world :biggums: :roll:


This dude acting like the smartphone was not a revolutionary invention.

[MrC1991]

I had all the respect in the world for Nash and still do as far as his basketball skills are concerned. Top 5 PG ever and no ones taking that from him. Just hate to see the way hes going out.

[navy]

List of Countries by Smartphone Users
1. United Arab Emirates
2. South Korea
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Singapore
5. Norway
6. Australia
7. Sweden
8. Hong Kong
9. UK
10. Denmark
11. Ireland
12. Israel
13. Canada
14. United States
15. Spain
Switzerland...


This dude hating on everyone in the world :biggums: :roll:


This dude acting like the smartphone was not a revolutionary invention.

Im trying to figure out where he came up with idea that the smartphone craze was a black thing.Heck, a poor thing. Im mean besides the obvious that he's a racist. But still, man at least pick correct stereotypes.

[MrC1991]

lmao why do race issues still exist? Why can't it be based on character?

[navy]

lmao why do race issues still exist? Why can't it be based on character?
Dont care about that either. We should be discussing basketball.

[MrC1991]

Dont care about that either. We should be discussing basketball.

Thats kind of where I'm at bro but conversations on here turn from Steve Nash to Trayvon Martin quick lol

[Marchesk]

This dude acting like the smartphone was not a revolutionary invention.

Marriage of palm pilots and cell phones. Maybe that's revolutionary?

Computers were revolutionary. The Internet was revolutionary. Wilt was revolutionary.

Smartphones? Meh. They're more like Lebron. Take Magic or Oscar and Elgin. Or a black Larry Bird.

[ILLsmak]

It's because he won two MVPs.

MVP isn't some magical given by the gods award, either. It can be given to the wrong person.

Was it given wrongly to Nash? I don't think so. I think he did work, but I think MVP just doesn't mean much anymore. He wasn't ever the best player in the league. nobody is gonna say GIMME STEVE NASH to start a team.

He's good. He's not top 20. Don't even wanna say he's definitively top 10 pg of all time.

-Smak

[Mr. Jabbar]

It's because he won two MVPs.

MVP isn't some magical given by the gods award, either. It can be given to the wrong person.

Was it given wrongly to Nash? I don't think so. I think he did work, but I think MVP just doesn't mean much anymore. He wasn't ever the best player in the league. nobody is gonna say GIMME STEVE NASH to start a team.

He's good. He's not top 20. Don't even wanna say he's definitively top 10 pg of all time.

-Smak

-Smak

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Marriage of palm pilots and cell phones. Maybe that's revolutionary?

Computers were revolutionary. The Internet was revolutionary. Wilt was revolutionary.

Smartphones? Meh. They're more like Lebron. Take Magic or Oscar and Elgin. Or a black Larry Bird.

In fact your LeBron analogy is quite good. Really, really incredible but not the very top tier of greatness. Yeah smartphones it's not as revolutionary as the car, or electricity, or trains, or computers, or the internet.

But at the end of the day smartphones are what connects you to the internet 24/7, more or less. That's huge. Palm pilots were the precursors, but just aren't as influential as smartphones. Back before smartphones existed, you couldn't be connected to the net in an airport, on a bus, in a park, on foot, biking, any of that. And it's only growing. Soon FitBit or other sensors will be built into every smartphone and they will track your activity level, heartbeat, all that. Instead of needing a credit card, your "wallet" will be on your phone. They already have google and apple wallet. Journalists now uses their smartphones more than normal computers almost. And smartphones have changed the professional/industry game completely. I think you could legitimately make the case smartphones are as impactful on our lives as the telephone was.