now that Peyton Manning has broken another record yet again

[riseagainst]

where does he rank all time among QBs?

I'd say he's the 2nd GOAT QB after Tom Brady. Joe Montana is 3rd considering he did play with Jerry Rice, arguably the GOAT footballer/definitively GOAT receiver.

If he manages to win another ring before he retires, he'll be the GOAT.

[ItsMillerTime]

Why is Brady the GOAT? Brady's teams had way better defenses than any of Manning's Colts teams. Shit, the year Manning got his SB win the Colts had statistically the worst run defense in the league.

Manning will end his career placing 1st in almost every single QB stat possible.

[imdaman99]

No doubt he's great, but he's more like a Lebron James. Unmatched stats but when he faced tough competition, he wasn't the best. I can't put him at the top, just like I can't put Tom Brady at the top.
My vote is for Montana. 4 for 4 is too good just like 6 for 6 is.

[mlh1981]

Fair or unfair, his uneven playoff performances and having only 1 ring will hurt him in the all time rankings. If he nets one more ring before he leaves, it will help him out greatly. Of course, there will be those who say that the one Super Bowl he DID get was against a Rex Grossman-led team, so it's probably important to the overall body of work to get one more, but the whole discussion is so convoluted. Regardless, he has had a career that 99 pct of QB's who have ever played the game could only dream of having.

[Budadiiii]

Peyton Manning is the greatest of all-time.

Took 2 franchises to the Super Bowl. Took 3 different coaches to the Super Bowl. It's really just Peyton Manning vs the other team for much of his career. That's why his playoff/postseason record isn't that great.

Brady was a slightly above system QB when he won his 3 Super Bowl. It was Belichick, their defense and spying more than anything.
Peyton has played with a lot of great players, more so than Brady.

Faulk, James, Addai, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Moreno, Thomas, etc.

And now he's playing with the most stacked team in the league, on both sides of the ball

I love Peyton but the dude has gotten a lot of help

[zoom17]

He's top 3 all-time QB but I want him to retire already so the Colts can run the AFC.

[imdaman99]

Fair or unfair, his uneven playoff performances and having only 1 ring will hurt him in the all time rankings. If he nets one more ring before he leaves, it will help him out greatly. Of course, there will be those who say that the one Super Bowl he DID get was against a Rex Grossman-led team, so it's probably important to the overall body of work to get one more, but the whole discussion is so convoluted. Regardless, he has had a career that 99 pct of QB's who have ever played the game could only dream of having.
He needs to have a great Super Bowl. If the Broncos win 10-9 in the Super Bowl (lol highly unlikely), he won't get those same monkeys off his back. He needs a dramatic game winning drive or a blowout win. He was good against the Bears, but that was hardly vintage Manning.

[NumberSix]

No doubt he's great, but he's more like a Lebron James. Unmatched stats but when he faced tough competition, he wasn't the best. I can't put him at the top, just like I can't put Tom Brady at the top.
My vote is for Montana. 4 for 4 is too good just like 6 for 6 is.
Montana is a poor man's John Elway minus the arm. Don't be so easily fooled by his team winning. Montana's modern day comparison would be a better Alex Smith.

[imdaman99]

Montana is a poor man's John Elway minus the arm. Don't be so easily fooled by his team winning. Montana's modern day comparison would be a better Alex Smith.
Don't be ridiculous. He did have a great team around him but he had heroic moments and had super bowl winning drives. Alex Smith is a game manager and even the 49ers saw that.

I like Elway, a lot more than Montana but them 2 are not close.

[riseagainst]

Montana is a poor man's John Elway minus the arm. Don't be so easily fooled by his team winning. Montana's modern day comparison would be a better Alex Smith.

this. Individual stats is alot more reliable in football because each play only plays half the game. QBs are only responsible for offense.

[NumberSix]

Don't be ridiculous. He did have a great team around him but he had heroic moments and had super bowl winning drives. Alex Smith is a game manager and even the 49ers saw that.

I like Elway, a lot more than Montana but them 2 are not close.
So was Montana. :hammerhead:

[sweggeh]

Clearly the GOAT.

[imdaman99]

So was Montana. :hammerhead:
Not sure if serious :oldlol: So arguably the greatest QB ever was a game manager in your eyes? :hammerhead:

This is a different era, QBs put up 300 yards with ease because of the p*ssification of the league and them not allowing defenses to do anything to stop the passing offenses. 49ers had a west coast offense not a run on 1st down, run on 2nd and hope for a short 3rd down pickup. Game manager he was not.

[~primetime~]

1. Joe Montana
2. Peyton Manning

[KingBeasley08]

Greatest I've ever seen

[KyleKong]

Peyton Manning is easily the best QB ever.

Joe Montana is seriously overrated on this website.

Does everyone really just go by title count now? :facepalm

[BasedTom]

Peyton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brady

[Sarcastic]

Montana is still the GOAT.

Consider that the 1980s NFC is maybe the most dominant conference in sports history, and Montana dominated it. He won 2 Super Bowls without Jerry Rice, so don't pull that bullshit excuse. His best receiver for the first 2 was Dwight Clark, a slow white receiver that has one 1,000 yard season, was drafted in the 10th round.

Let's put it this way, the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game, their quarterback was Joe Montana.

Manning is the GOAT regular season QB, but the QBs are measured by playoff success. His playoff record is awful, and he has lost several times with home field advantage.

[Sarcastic]

Tim Tebow won a playoff game with the current Broncos team. Let's not act like he dragged a bunch of nobodies to the Super Bowl. He carefully chose his team because he knew they had talent.

[KyleKong]

Montana is still the GOAT.

Consider that the 1980s NFC is maybe the most dominant conference in sports history, and Montana dominated it. He won 2 Super Bowls without Jerry Rice, so don't pull that bullshit excuse. His best receiver for the first 2 was Dwight Clark, a slow white receiver that has one 1,000 yard season, was drafted in the 10th round.

Let's put it this way, the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game, their quarterback was Joe Montana.

Manning is the GOAT regular season QB, but the QBs are measured by playoff success. His playoff record is awful, and he has lost several times with home field advantage.

Manning has Montana statistically beat in everything besides Superbowl wins. But yeah titles make players better.

Guess Dan Marino just wasn't ever as good as Trent Dilfer. :oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

Manning has Montana statistically beat in everything besides Superbowl wins. But yeah titles make players better.

Guess Dan Marino just wasn't ever as good as Trent Dilfer. :oldlol:


Statistics mean nothing in football. They've changed the rules to allow for passers to dominate the sport. You can't use em to compare across generations.

[BasedTom]

Manning has Montana statistically beat in everything besides Superbowl wins. But yeah titles make players better.

Guess Dan Marino just wasn't ever as good as Trent Dilfer. :oldlol:
Let me just say that rule changes and other developments in the game have made it easier for offenses to thrive (at the expense of the defense)

You see a lot more scores that look as if they were Madden or even basketball scores these days.

Statistics mean nothing in football. They've changed the rules to allow for passers to dominate the sport. You can't use em to compare across generations.
Yes, they do. With context.

[Sarcastic]

Eli Manning will easily surpass Joe Montana in yards and TDs. I guess he's better than Montana too. :roll:

[KyleKong]

Eli Manning will easily surpass Joe Montana in yards and TDs. I guess he's better than Montana too. :roll:

See the irony in your argument now?

[bdreason]

He's no Montana.

[Budadiiii]

Peyton isn't even the best QB in the league TODAY...

There's a dude named Aaron Rodgers who is a lot better.

[Jameerthefear]

Manning is the f*cking GOAT

[KingBeasley08]

^ That's because Peyton is bigger than the system. He IS the system. That's what makes him so great

[dude77]

^ That's because Peyton is bigger than the system. He IS the system. That's what makes him so great

/thread ..

although Manning needs to win another title at least .. one just seems too little for a qb of his stature/caliber .. plus it'll put his sb record at 2-2 .. sb's aren't easy to win anyways so 2-2 is fine .. but 1-2 or worse 1-3 would really suck for his legacy

[Cold soul]

As lifelong Broncos fan who appreciates Peyton I have him ranked 4th atm but he is close to surpassing both Tom Brady and John Elway at this current pace, Manning to me even if he retires with only one SB win. But after four neck surgery's sitting out entire 2011 season if you would of told me Manning would be playing at MVP level in his late 30's doing this I would of thought you were crazy. I believe when it's all said and done he retires 2nd best QB in NFL history unless Brady wins another SB and Peyton does not.

[dude77]

As lifelong Broncos fan who appreciates Peyton I have him ranked 4th atm but he is close to surpassing both Tom Brady and John Elway at this current pace, Manning to me even if he retires with only one SB win. But after four neck surgery's sitting out entire 2011 season if you would of told me Manning would be playing at MVP level in his late 30's doing this I would of thought you were crazy. I believe when it's all said and done he retires 2nd best QB in NFL history unless Brady wins another SB and Peyton does not.

I can go with this .. I forgot about his neck problems for a minute there(says a lot about how he's playing) .. his abilities or whatever was left of it was in major doubt at that point and I don't think anyone ever thought he would be as good as his former self let alone explode like he did .. very impressive

[CelticBaller]

Peyton Manning is the greatest of all-time.

Took 2 franchises to the Super Bowl. Took 3 different coaches to the Super Bowl. It's really just Peyton Manning vs the other team for much of his career. That's why his playoff/postseason record isn't that great.

Brady was a slightly above system QB when he won his 3 Super Bowl. It was Belichick, their defense and spying more than anything.
And the only SB peyton ever won was because of his defense... I mean can you please post peyton SB stats that year? or his post season stats? :confusedshrug:

and :lol at Brady being a slighty above QB, dude put up a 92 passer rating in his back to back SB seasons

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't see any way Brady is better than Manning... lol sorry.

[bigkingsfan]

Can't lose 43-8 and throw a game ending pick 6 in the SB to be considered the best.

[CelticBaller]

I don't see any way Brady is better than Manning... lol sorry.
Brady has the stats AND the rings

[Nanners]

Brady has the stats AND the rings

Brady does have the rings, but Peyton is ahead of him in almost every statistical category.

[CelticBaller]

Brady does have the rings, but Peyton is ahead of him in almost every statistical category.
But Brady doesn't need to be ahead in most of them, the fact that he has put up great stats while also winning superbowls is what really stands

Maybe he didn't win it in his best years, but he never stank it up like Manning when they offense ran through them. His 2 superbowl losses came from plays out of his reach, of course the were small mistakes but unlike Brady, Manning has deliberately cause his team the big L

[ThePhantomCreep]

The ring argument doesn't work as well in football as it does in basketball--Peyton Manning doesn't have nearly as much control over his own destiny as LeBron James. He doesn't play defense or special teams.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Can't lose 43-8 and throw a game ending pick 6 in the SB to be considered the best.

That's pretty arbitrary. Did you know Joe Montana has a 49-3 playoff loss on his resume? Besides the fact that his numbers are vastly inferior to Manning's?

[Patrick Chewing]

The people rating Montana and Brady above Manning are just dumb.


These are the same people that rate Bill Russell in the Top 5 or as the GOAT.


Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. No one Quarterback has been able to accomplish what he has. Period.

[CelticBaller]

The ring argument doesn't work as well in football as it does in basketball--Peyton Manning doesn't have nearly as much control over his own destiny as LeBron James. He doesn't play defense or special teams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6I7AjCFAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y63VDL_t_o

but he didn't have as much control :applause:

[Bless Mathews]

Lol. Lol.


Peyton manning best regular season Qb ever.


1 - 2 in superbowls. Only one he won against Rex fuccin gross man. Lol.


8 FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF LOSSES. NO WAY YOU CAN BE CONSIDERED GOAT WITH THAT SHIT.

People are just suckers for media hype.


Favre STILL holds yards record , and just lost td record same amount of rings.

Lol. Peyton manning best regular season Qb of all time. All time? No way. You gotta WIN.

I don't like Brady at all. But Brady > manning.

Montana > manning.

Gtfo. Take all those regular season records and have fun with em

[CelticBaller]

The people rating Montana and Brady above Manning are just dumb.


These are the same people that rate Bill Russell in the Top 5 or as the GOAT.


Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. No one Quarterback has been able to accomplish what he has. Period.
how does you analogy make sense? Brady has thrown 50 tds in a season and has won MVP twice for putting the best passing numbers in both those years respectively

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol. Lol.


Peyton manning best regular season Qb ever.


1 - 2 in superbowls. Only one he won against Rex fuccin gross man. Lol.


8 FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF LOSSES. NO WAY YOU CAN BE CONSIDERED GOAT WITH THAT SHIT.

People are just suckers for media hype.


Favre STILL holds yards record , and just lost td record same amount of rings.

Lol. Peyton manning best regular season Qb of all time. All time? No way. You gotta WIN.

I don't like Brady at all. But Brady > manning.

Montana > manning.

Gtfo. Take all those regular season records and have fun with em


Because one man controls the fate of the entire team....:rolleyes:


So Ben Roethlisberger is better than Manning then, right??

[Bless Mathews]

The people rating Montana and Brady above Manning are just dumb.


These are the same people that rate Bill Russell in the Top 5 or as the GOAT.


Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. No one Quarterback has been able to accomplish what he has. Period.


Actually. I think your right.

HAS ANY QB LOST 8 FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF GAMES???

Yea. I think he's the only one that has accomplished that.

Idiot.

[Patrick Chewing]

The QB that led the Ravens to their first Superbowl is better than Dan Marino then by this ridiculous logic.


"The QB" cause nobody can remember that clowns name.

[Bless Mathews]

Because one man controls the fate of the entire team....:rolleyes:


So Ben Roethlisberger is better than Manning then, right??


Not basing Everythjng on rings. Obviously.

But to be considered the BEST you have to WIN.

PERIOD.

END OF STORY.

I don't know the exact numbers , but please someone tell me how many of his 8 first round exits HIS STACKED ASS TEEEAAMMMM was at least top 3 seed???

Lol. Lol. Lol.

CHOKE ARTIST. His TEAM put him on position to win during regular season, but he couldn't get it done when it counted.


Period. Bottom line.


GTFO.

[ThePhantomCreep]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6I7AjCFAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y63VDL_t_o

but he didn't have as much control :applause:

Yeah, that 43-8 drubbing was all on Manning. :facepalm

At least with the "pick 6" there's an argument.

[CelticBaller]

The QB that led the Ravens to their first Superbowl is better than Dan Marino then by this ridiculous logic.


"The QB" cause nobody can remember that clowns name.
trent dilfer?

How come the best QB of all time has a 81 passer rating in the SB? with 3 TD and 5 int? Are you ****ing forgetting the only Superbowl Peyton ever won was becuase he got carried by the defense?

for **** sake you're an idiot

[CelticBaller]

Yeah, that 43-8 drubbing was all on Manning. :facepalm

At least with the "pick 6" there's an argument.
the game was 15-0 when Manning threw it away :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Not basing Everythjng on rings. Obviously.




Oh of course. Change the rules of the game to suit your lack of knowledge in Sports. GTFO here.



http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jason-sudeikis-middle-finger-flipping-the-bird-gif.gif

[Bless Mathews]

The QB that led the Ravens to their first Superbowl is better than Dan Marino then by this ridiculous logic.


"The QB" cause nobody can remember that clowns name.

The topic isn't who's better than quarterback x, it's is he the BEST EVER.


NO WAY. NO HOW. you gotta WIN and put up stats.

Rings out weigh stats to a degree. Yes. It's not everything but to be considered the best you can't go 1-2 in SUPERBOWL and get BOOTED 8 FUCCIN TIMES IN THE FIRST FUCCIN ROUND after your team gave you top 3 seeds most times.
GTFO.

[Patrick Chewing]

trent dilfer?

How come the best QB of all time has a 81 passer rating in the SB? with 3 TD and 5 int? Are you ****ing forgetting the only Superbowl Peyton ever won was becuase he got carried by the defense?

for **** sake you're an idiot


Because you're only basing that on ONE f'n game that he's been to TWICE! How is that fair? Law of averages maybe?? Or do you not understand how Math works?

What's with you assholes and this obsession with rating talent based on the Championship game?? Why play a regular season then??

[imdaman99]

Yeah, that 43-8 drubbing was all on Manning. :facepalm

At least with the "pick 6" there's an argument.
When you're the so-called best player in football and the run-away MVP, putting up 8 pts doesn't leave you blameless. Obviously football is a team game, but the QB has the biggest impact on the team. Are you exonerating his underwhelming performance in the biggest game of the year?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Arguing "Brady > Manning" is like arguing "Bradshaw > Marino". A losing battle. Yes, Manning is a little light on SBs. But his statistical dominance is too strong to ignore. He'll likely play in his 4th SB this year. That in itself is an achievement.

[CelticBaller]

Because you're only basing that on ONE f'n game that he's been to TWICE! How is that fair? Law of averages maybe?? Or do you not understand how Math works?

What's with you assholes and this obsession with rating talent based on the Championship game?? Why play a regular season then??
Twice?

yep you barely watch football, Bless leave this fool alone

Just to sink it in, Both Montana and Brady have played in more superbowls than Manning and Manning has more INTS than both COMBINED

[Bless Mathews]

Oh of course. Change the rules of the game to suit your lack of knowledge in Sports. GTFO here.



http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jason-sudeikis-middle-finger-flipping-the-bird-gif.gif


Bro. Your retOarded.


To be considered THE BEST , you have to win. Period.

THE BEST. I didn't change nothin to suit me.

And you knowledge of sports is piss poor if you don't put WINNING first.

Even peyton himself will tell you that you fuccin clown.

I guarantee he'd trade the td record and all those "stats" for a 3-0 Super Bowl record.


GTFO clown.

[Jameerthefear]

If you think Brady>Manning you have f*cking autism.

[Bless Mathews]

Twice?

yep you barely watch football, Bless leave this fool alone

Just to sink it in, Both Montana and Brady have played in more superbowls than Manning and Manning has more INTS than both COMBINED


Hahahahahaha. Twice!!! Hahahahahahaha. Ahhh. My stomach!!!

Slayed.

I usually disagree with you my ***** ball sack, and I hate your team, but idiots that put manning over Brady don't get sports I guess.

And the 8 first round boots. That's the most telling stat for me. 8 times dude didn't Win a got damn playoff game. Terrible.

Might as well just played the regular season, hence, yes, best regular season Qb ever.

Could you imagine MJ getting the boot in the first round 8 times???

Bwahahahahahaga

[Bless Mathews]

If you think Brady>Manning you have f*cking autism.

You have vahgina stat-itis.

[Cold soul]

I don't see any way Brady is better than Manning... lol sorry.

Well Peyton has 11-12 playoff career record along with most playoff losses in the first round on top of 1-2 Super Bowl record.

[Jameerthefear]

You have vahgina stat-itis.
Good insult thug. Did your father tell you that one before he left?

[Bless Mathews]

Good insult thug. Did your father tell you that one before he left?

Don't step Jameer the 40 year old queer.

Go back to acting like your a gay 15 year old boy looking for same for tlc and ltr.

[Bless Mathews]

Well Peyton has 11-12 playoff record career record along with most playoff losses in first round along with 1-2 Super Bowl record.

Word.

Game


Set.


Match.


And how many times did his TEAM get him a top 3 seed???

[Bless Mathews]

Best rant ever. In case you missed it.

Best anti peyton manning rant ever.

http://youtu.be/h-OcGkiTJww

[Rodmantheman]

If manning doesn't win this year I don't see him passing Brady. Lets not forget how stacked this Denver team has been the last 2 and a half seasons.

[ThePhantomCreep]

If manning doesn't win this year I don't see him passing Brady. Lets not forget how stacked this Denver team has been the last 2 and a half seasons.

Manning is way too far ahead of Brady statistically to take this argument seriously. Brady doesn't even have a better postseason QB rating.

I could see an argument for Montana, but that's pretty much it.

[Bless Mathews]

Manning is way too far ahead of Brady statistically to take this argument seriously. Brady doesn't even have a better postseason QB rating.

I could see an argument for Montana, but that's pretty much it.

Manning 8 FIRST ROUND LOSSES. 8. 8 times he got dismissed without even winning a playoff game. As top or high seeds.

10-11 in playoffs. GTFO.

[Rodmantheman]

Manning 8 FIRST ROUND LOSSES. 8. 8 times he got dismissed without even winning a playoff game. As top or high seeds.

10-11 in playoffs. GTFO.

If manning does win another does that at least move him past brady?

[MavsSuperFan]

Peyton is the greatest QB i have ever seen. But he is somewhat of a choker which hurts him.

I feel about peyton similar to how I feel about Lebron (as a player).

Amazing talent, but sometimes chokes when the pressure is on.

[MavsSuperFan]

Also about the brady vs peyton argument, I am solidly pro peyton.

Brady's first 2 rings were on a very defensively oriented team.

[Rodmantheman]

Lol football fans

Every single poster in this thread is a tw@t

Yea I see you kyle

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/MACHO-MAN-BROWNS-FAN.gif

[MrC1991]

Grew up a Colt fan and it hurts to see Peyton doing his thing for another team but I'm glad hes still going strong and adding on to his legacy. He will go down as the GOAT. Right now Montana is my number 1, but Peyton will surpass him.

[MavsSuperFan]

macho man is a closet NFL fan

[BigBoss]

He's the GOAT. Who do you draft over Peyton Manning all-time?? You can't ignore his numbers and he got his superbowl. What the hell was he suppose to do last year? The Seahawks scored 43 points. Was that his fault too?

[Timmy D for MVP]

He's the GOAT. Who do you draft over Peyton Manning all-time?? You can't ignore his numbers and he got his superbowl. What the hell was he suppose to do last year? The Seahawks scored 43 points. Was that his fault too?

Okay... okay the draft question might backfire on you now. If we are going to assume he'll play the same way in the post season no matter who's around him then I'd take Montana, and Brady over him in a heart beat.

[Bless Mathews]

He's the GOAT. Who do you draft over Peyton Manning all-time?? You can't ignore his numbers and he got his superbowl. What the hell was he suppose to do last year? The Seahawks scored 43 points. Was that his fault too?

Uhhh. 16 points was his fault. Pick 6. Another interception in own territory that led to easy 37 yard drive for td.

43-16= 27.

Denver averaged 36.4 points per game last year.

Next......

[BigBoss]

Okay... okay the draft question might backfire on you now. If we are going to assume he'll play the same way in the post season no matter who's around him then I'd take Montana, and Brady over him in a heart beat.

ALL-TIME GOAT= Peyton #1 :djparty

[oarabbus]

Lol football fans

Every single poster in this thread is a tw@t

Yea I see you kyle

Your hatred of football is unhealthy bro. Smoke somethin or drink a beer and lose the hate

The topic isn't who's better than quarterback x, it's is he the BEST EVER.


NO WAY. NO HOW. you gotta WIN and put up stats.

Rings out weigh stats to a degree. Yes. It's not everything but to be considered the best you can't go 1-2 in SUPERBOWL and get BOOTED 8 FUCCIN TIMES IN THE FIRST FUCCIN ROUND after your team gave you top 3 seeds most times.
GTFO.

I think Bless could use a bit more tact but what he's saying is ultimately true. It's the same argument as Wilt and I'd say it's valid.

If Wilt, with his superhuman retard 50ppg bullshit, won 7 or even 4 or 5 rings, would anyone dispute he was GOAT? Hell no. If Wilt had 7 rings with his 100 points and 50ppg and 30rpg or whatever, he would be undisputed supreme GOAT. But he only won twice. You can't not hold it against him. Jordan? GOAT. He won. Tiger? GOAT. He won. Bolt? GOAT. He won. Peyton is kind of the Wilt of the NFL, but I do think Peyton is a top 3 QB.

Yeah football is a very different sport where one player has much less individual control over the success of the whole team...

But what some of you aren't getting is that BOTH superbowl teams are SICK. Both NBA Finals teams are amazing. Bad series do NOT make it to the World series, Finals, or Superbowl. Period.

So it's the play of guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, as of recently Russell Wilson, its these guys' play which becomes the deciding factor that determines the victor between these great teams.

[BigBoss]

Uhhh. 16 points was his fault. Pick 6. Another interception in own territory that led to easy 37 yard drive for td.

43-16= 27.

Denver averaged 36.4 points per game last year.

Next......
Cringe worthy post. Seahawks defense allowed 13.5 point. Whats your point :biggums:

[Bless Mathews]

Cringe worthy post. Seahawks defense allowed 13.5 point. Whats your point :biggums:


Your retOarded. And all over the place.

Stay focused on the point YOU MADE. Ya know, that broncos gave up 43 points? Lol. Lol. And how that wasn't his fault. Lol. Lol.

Stay focused young whippersnapper.

Manning gave up 16 of those points. Period. And played like shit.

Brady damn sure woulda mustered more than 8 points. That's for SURE.

[BigBoss]

Your retOarded. And all over the place.

Stay focused on the point YOU MADE. Ya know, that broncos gave up 43 points? Lol. Lol. And how that wasn't his fault. Lol. Lol.

Stay focused young whippersnapper.

Manning gave up 16 of those points. Period. And played like shit.

Brady damn sure woulda mustered more than 8 points. That's for SURE.

Look. If the Seahawks allowed 13.5 points a game last year, then what makes you think it's a given the Broncos would have got that 30+ to score the "27" that Peyton wasn't responsible for?

Point is your a statistic fakkit who doesn't know shit about football.

Next. Get some sleep and brush your teeth. PM me if you need life coaching.

[oarabbus]

I do see Brady putting up more than 8 points in that scenario, though. No way he goes down like that.

[CelticBaller]

Manning is way too far ahead of Brady statistically to take this argument seriously. Brady doesn't even have a better postseason QB rating.

I could see an argument for Montana, but that's pretty much it.
Um, he only has a passer rating hihgher by 2 points, and in the post season Brady has both more TDs and less INT than Manning.

if he is so much higher statistically, then how come he only has a passer rating of 97? and he has a much higher INT% than Brady? how come his completion rate is 65% while brady is 63%? shouldn't be way much higher?

Wilt dat goat by your dumb logic

[Heavincent]

Brady > Peyton

I say this as a Jets fan

[JtotheIzzo]

The one year Brady had a healthy stud at WR, he rewrote the record book.

Just imagine Brady playing indoors with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne during his prime instead of playing half the season in blustery New England.

Swap places and Brady is the Wayne Gretzky of QBs in that he will own almost every record.

[Heavincent]

It's really just Peyton Manning vs the other team for much of his career. That's why his playoff/postseason record isn't that great.


I don't get why people say this. Peyton has played on good teams for most of his career, and currently plays with one of the most stacked receiving corps in NFL history.

Also, he put up Trent Dilfer numbers in that 06 title run.

[atljonesbro]

Joe Montana couldn't do what Manning does year after year on today's league of he tried as hard as he possibly could, that's 100% factual. Montana is so overrated due to absurdly stacked teams and nostalgia

[Bless Mathews]

Look. If the Seahawks allowed 13.5 points a game last year, then what makes you think it's a given the Broncos would have got that 30+ to score the "27" that Peyton wasn't responsible for?

Point is your a statistic fakkit who doesn't know shit about football.

Next. Get some sleep and brush your teeth. PM me if you need life coaching.


Hahaha. You's a clown.

Just an idiot.

[Bless Mathews]

The one year Brady had a healthy stud at WR, he rewrote the record book.

Just imagine Brady playing indoors with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne during his prime instead of playing half the season in blustery New England.

Swap places and Brady is the Wayne Gretzky of QBs in that he will own almost every record.

Word.


Game over.

[dude77]

brady got his ass punked that very record breaking year .. 'we're not scoring more than 14 pts ? he he' lol ..


not to take away anything away from brady, but no need to make up shit to try to prop him up ..

and manning has 66k+ yds 510+ tds .. 208 consecutive starts .. dominating at age 38 in the nfl .. you have to be a real bitter hater to hate on this dude ..

as for the sb, you can't win em all .. seattle got the perfect storm last year .. elite defenses like that usually end up being the difference in sbs

[Bless Mathews]

brady got his ass punked that very record breaking year .. 'we're not scoring more than 14 pts ? he he' lol ..


not to take away anything away from brady, but no need to make up shit to try to prop him up ..

and manning has 66k+ yds 510+ tds .. 208 consecutive starts .. dominating at age 38 in the nfl .. you have to be a real bitter hater to hate on this dude ..

as for the sb, you can't win em all .. seattle got the perfect storm last year .. elite defenses like that usually end up being the difference in sbs

Can we move past the one SUPERBOWL that sure, no one would have won other than the Seahawks and focus on the 8 FIRST ROUND LOSSES???!!!????

5 OF THE 8 AT HOME!!!!!!!!

8 times this dude got the boot without even winning a playoff game.

That's HORRIBLE.

[Bless Mathews]

The homie rodgers quietly on pace for 41 tds 2 interceptions. No biggie

Yes. Rodgers is IMO best currently.

We typin bout all time doe.

[CelticBaller]

brady got his ass punked that very record breaking year .. 'we're not scoring more than 14 pts ? he he' lol ..


not to take away anything away from brady, but no need to make up shit to try to prop him up ..

and manning has 66k+ yds 510+ tds .. 208 consecutive starts .. dominating at age 38 in the nfl .. you have to be a real bitter hater to hate on this dude ..

as for the sb, you can't win em all .. seattle got the perfect storm last year .. elite defenses like that usually end up being the difference in sbs
Who's making shit up? Brady broke records the moment he got a competent receiving corps. Name me three WR that played for the patriots before 07.

Manning had a case of good receivers and playing in a dome for most of his career, and the only time he won it all he played like shit. I'm pretty sure Manning would take playing like shit and winning a SB over all the stats you idiots jerk off to

[Sarcastic]

Joe Montana couldn't do what Manning does year after year on today's league of he tried as hard as he possibly could, that's 100% factual. Montana is so overrated due to absurdly stacked teams and nostalgia


Name 3 star players on the 1981 Super Bowl team, since the team was stacked.

[Bless Mathews]

Your hatred of football is unhealthy bro. Smoke somethin or drink a beer and lose the hate


I think Bless could use a bit more tact but what he's saying is ultimately true. It's the same argument as Wilt and I'd say it's valid.

If Wilt, with his superhuman retard 50ppg bullshit, won 7 or even 4 or 5 rings, would anyone dispute he was GOAT? Hell no. If Wilt had 7 rings with his 100 points and 50ppg and 30rpg or whatever, he would be undisputed supreme GOAT. But he only won twice. You can't not hold it against him. Jordan? GOAT. He won. Tiger? GOAT. He won. Bolt? GOAT. He won. Peyton is kind of the Wilt of the NFL, but I do think Peyton is a top 3 QB.

Yeah football is a very different sport where one player has much less individual control over the success of the whole team...

But what some of you aren't getting is that BOTH superbowl teams are SICK. Both NBA Finals teams are amazing. Bad series do NOT make it to the World series, Finals, or Superbowl. Period.

So it's the play of guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, as of recently Russell Wilson, its these guys' play which becomes the deciding factor that determines the victor between these great teams.

Perfect analogy.


Peyton is the wilt of football. :applause:

[Bless Mathews]

And all these numbers have to be weighted when comparing players from other eras.

You can't touch the qbs. DBs can't touch the receivers. Defenses are scared to hit receivers going over the middle for fear of penalty.

In 80's and 90's offenses were scared as shit getting cracked by defenses. Now adays defenses are scared to even hit cause of all these sissy ass rules. Causing offenses to pass more than ever and not run. Running backs are at an all time low in priority. They used to be 1A.

[dude77]

I'm responding to these comments about 'no way brady only scores 8 .. no way does he go out like that etc etc ' .. he did exactly that in his record breaking year sb .. 14 pts when they averaged 37 all year long and had just put up 38 against the same team a month earlier .. and brady's lost plenty of times now in the playoffs so lets stop acting like brady doesn't fk up either in the playoffs ..

manning's playoff struggles are definitely bad .. but his positives are so pronounced that they almost neutralize all that .. and he is a champion at the end of the day .. he's not one of those who's never been able to win it .. again 66k yds .. probably will pass 70k .. 208 consecutive starts .. 510+ and counting tds .. he'll probably eclipse 600 .. he's just not the dude to hate on

[Jameerthefear]

If Manning wins another ring he's unarguably the GOAT.

[dude77]

In 80's and 90's offenses were scared as shit getting cracked by defenses. Now adays defenses are scared to even hit cause of all these sissy ass rules. Causing offenses to pass more than ever and not run. Running backs are at an all time low in priority. They used to be 1A.

this is true .. these rule changes have changed everything really .. defenses can't play defense how they know how to and it's given offenses an obvious advantage for the most part

[CelticBaller]

I'm responding to these comments about 'no way brady only scores 8 .. no way does he go out like that etc etc ' .. he did exactly that in his record breaking year sb .. 14 pts when they averaged 37 all year long and had just put up 38 against the same team a month earlier .. and brady's lost plenty of times now in the playoffs so lets stop acting like brady doesn't fk up either in the playoffs ..

manning's playoff struggles are definitely bad .. but his positives are so pronounced that they almost neutralize all that .. and he is a champion at the end of the day .. he's not one of those who's never been able to win it .. again 66k yds .. probably will pass 70k .. 208 consecutive starts .. 510+ and counting tds .. he'll probably eclipse 600 .. he's just not the dude to hate on
are you forgetting that the patriots were a miraculous catch away from winning that game while Manning sank his team harder by throwing pick 6s?

[Timmy D for MVP]

Joe Montana couldn't do what Manning does year after year on today's league of he tried as hard as he possibly could, that's 100% factual. Montana is so overrated due to absurdly stacked teams and nostalgia

I'd like to see your study that makes this 100% factual.

[MavsSuperFan]

Manning is the NFL's lebron

[dude77]

are you forgetting that the patriots were a miraculous catch away from winning that game while Manning sank his team harder by throwing pick 6s?


again, I'm responding to the comments about 'brady would never let his team go out like that or underperform' .. yes he would actually and he did .. and what miraculous catch are you referring to ? the burress td was an open catch .. if brady and co. take care of business they easily win that game .. they got beat by a team scoring 17 pts

[ThePhantomCreep]

Um, he only has a passer rating hihgher by 2 points, and in the post season Brady has both more TDs and less INT than Manning.

if he is so much higher statistically, then how come he only has a passer rating of 97? and he has a much higher INT% than Brady? how come his completion rate is 65% while brady is 63%? shouldn't be way much higher?

Wilt dat goat by your dumb logic

Are you saying Manning's postseason passer rating should be even higher than Brady's? If you say so. I thought Brady turned water into wine in the postseason?

Manning has thrown over 1900 more passes than Brady and still has a higher passer rating and completion percentage. That's what you call a decisive statistical advantage.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Lol @ Tom Brady #1.

Not sure if serious.

Anyways, I'd say Marino, Elway, Manning.

I think what's most impressive about Peyton is that people thought his career was over. He switched teams. And had his best statistical season of his career. After all he accomplished in Indy he comes to Denver after a potential career ending surgery and plays like THIS? Dude is a quarterback God. Denver wins a Superbowl this year in dominating fashion and then what?

[CelticBaller]

again, I'm responding to the comments about 'brady would never let his team go out like that or underperform' .. yes he would actually and he did .. and what miraculous catch are you referring to ? the burress td was an open catch .. if brady and co. take care of business they easily win that game .. they got beat by a team scoring 17 pts
Burress? did you even watch that game? how can you not know what im referring to?

We where going to win that game right there, then "that" happened and threw belichick's game plan into a spiral

[ThePhantomCreep]

are you forgetting that the patriots were a miraculous catch away from winning that game while Manning sank his team harder by throwing pick 6s?

Are you forgetting the Patriots were HUGE favorites that day and expected to win decisively? Their defense did their job (unlike the Broncos), holding the Giants to 17 points.

[CelticBaller]

Are you saying Manning's postseason passer rating should be even higher than Brady's? If you say so. I thought Brady turned water into wine in the postseason?

Manning has thrown over 1900 more passes than Brady and still has a higher passer rating and completion percentage. That's what you call a decisive statistical advantage.
Manning also had the advantage of playing in a dome 8 times in a year + post season , oh and while Brady was putting above 90 passer rating with training camp receivers Manning was throwing it to pro bowlers


To end your argument, if Manning had retired in 2011 Brady would've been considered better than him by the time he reached him in GS, true or not?

And to the post season stuff, funny how you always dodge the SB talk even when I showed you the links of Manning throwing the game away, now you pull the post season rating as some sort of trump card but forget that Manning has thrown both less TD and more INT that Brady in the post season :applause:

[Bless Mathews]

I'm still waiting for manning supporters to explain how absolutely horrible it os to HAVE 8 FIRST ROUND LOSSES.

5 OF THE 8 AT HOME!!!!!

Quarterback is the most important position in all of sports.

If you fail MISERABLY when in counts the MOST, there is NO WAY you can be considered the goat.

Period.

End of discussion.

[CelticBaller]

Are you forgetting the Patriots were HUGE favorites that day and expected to win decisively? Their defense did their job (unlike the Broncos), holding the Giants to 17 points.
Belichick had the game won then a helmet catch happened, during the whole game we weren't settling for deep bombs like in the regular season because we knew the giants defense was going to get to the QB, so the gameplan was to win just by stopping the giants score.

[dude77]

Burress? did you even watch that game? how can you not know what im referring to?

We where going to win that game right there, then "that" happened and threw belichick's game plan into a spiral

ah the tyree catch .. yeah can't forget that .. ok they pulled some shit out of their asses with that one .. but the fact is brady underperformed which is exactly what some here are saying he would never do .. a team that dominated the way they did all year should've been able to muster up more than 14 pts in the biggest game of the year .. even if they score just 20 they're 19-0 and probably the best team of all time .. 14 was the definition of a let down and frankly that was one of the biggest choke jobs of all time

[KNOW1EDGE]

Bless, we all get it, Peyton has some blemishes. His playoff record isn't great and he has thrown some bad interceptions in big games.

His accolades > his blemishes

[PHX_Phan]

Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Any way you mash it up, Peyton Manning is the best quarterback football has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Brady or Montana could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.

[imdaman99]

ah the tyree catch .. yeah can't forget that .. ok they pulled some shit out of their asses with that one .. but the fact is brady underperformed which is exactly what some here are saying he would never do .. a team that dominated the way they did all year should've been able to muster up more than 14 pts in the biggest game of the year .. even if they score just 20 they're 19-0 and probably the best team of all time .. 14 was the definition of a let down and frankly that was one of the biggest choke jobs of all time
That was not a choke, Giants played better that day. Their pass rush was a bad matchup for the dominant Patriots. And if I recall, Brady nonchalantly drove them down the field to score a TD to take the lead with 3 mins left right before Eli's career defining drive to win it. Not a choke, just a bad matchup and they took the lead with 3 minutes left in the game. Their offense let them down the first 3 quarters and their defense let them down in the 4th. It happens.

I have already repeated this, Manning is a GOAT level regular season QB but heaven forbid he win a playoff game in frigid conditions in New England during his prime years. I fear for him choking this year, because it will be brick cold in Denver in January. I can see the Ravens stealing that game, probably not the Colts though.

[Rodmantheman]

Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Any way you mash it up, Peyton Manning is the best quarterback football has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Brady or Montana could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.

He had a stacked broncos team for two and a half seasons and so far 0 rings out of it. Best receiving corps check, One of the best O-lines check, much improved Defense check. His team is stacked on both sides of the ball.

[dude77]

That was not a choke, Giants played better that day. Their pass rush was a bad matchup for the dominant Patriots. And if I recall, Brady nonchalantly drove them down the field to score a TD to take the lead with 3 mins left right before Eli's career defining drive to win it. Not a choke, just a bad matchup and they took the lead with 3 minutes left in the game. Their offense let them down the first 3 quarters and their defense let them down in the 4th. It happens.

I have already repeated this, Manning is a GOAT level regular season QB but heaven forbid he win a playoff game in frigid conditions in New England during his prime years. I fear for him choking this year, because it will be brick cold in Denver in January. I can see the Ravens stealing that game, probably not the Colts though.

it was a choke .. this wasn't just some random game .. they're 18-0, on the verge of immortality .. and .. you come up with 14 pts lol .. a team that averaged 37 all year long .. they didn't even need to come anywhere near 37 .. just give me 20 .. they couldn't even do that .. you can't close out one last game to go 19-0 and become probably the best team of all time .. don't give me that shit about matchups .. they had just put up 38 on that giants d a month ago .. .. epic choke for all times

[KNOW1EDGE]

When Tom Brady loses in the playoffs against a team he is heavily favored to beat it's not choking.

But when Peyton Manning has a mediocre career playoff record he is not in the conversation for GOAT despite the fact that he now has every meaningful QB record in his name. Peyton sucks.

[CelticBaller]

Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Any way you mash it up, Peyton Manning is the best quarterback football has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Brady or Montana could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.
but brady did lmao

[Rodmantheman]

Also I forgot he throw a pick in OT against the ravens in 2012 he didn't need to throw it. Reminded me of Brett favare pick against the saints a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq52SxMjPPE

Only video I could find with peyton throwing the pick in Overtime just watch the first 30 seconds **** the rest lol.

[CelticBaller]

When Tom Brady loses in the playoffs against a team he is heavily favored to beat it's not choking.

But when Peyton Manning has a mediocre career playoff record he is not in the conversation for GOAT despite the fact that he now has every meaningful QB record in his name. Peyton sucks.
Choking is throwing two pick 6


Brady sucks

[Rodmantheman]

When Tom Brady loses in the playoffs against a team he is heavily favored to beat it's not choking.

But when Peyton Manning has a mediocre career playoff record he is not in the conversation for GOAT despite the fact that he now has every meaningful QB record in his name. Peyton sucks.

His most recent choke game on the line in OT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq52SxMjPPE

[PHX_Phan]

but brady did lmao

Lol Brady has never been the QB that Peyton is.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Peyton has thrown interceptions. I get it. That was a great game.

If u watched u would know Rahim Moore blew that game for the Broncos.

510 times Peyton didn't choke. He has a Superbowl ring. The best statistical season as a QB in NFL HISTORY.

So, according to history, the record books and the statistics, Peyton Manning is pretty good.

But according to ISH, which trumps all reason and logic, Peyton sucks.

Ok I'm done

[oarabbus]

I'm responding to these comments about 'no way brady only scores 8 .. no way does he go out like that etc etc ' .. he did exactly that in his record breaking year sb .. 14 pts when they averaged 37 all year long and had just put up 38 against the same team a month earlier .. and brady's lost plenty of times now in the playoffs so lets stop acting like brady doesn't fk up either in the playoffs ..

manning's playoff struggles are definitely bad .. but his positives are so pronounced that they almost neutralize all that .. and he is a champion at the end of the day .. he's not one of those who's never been able to win it .. again 66k yds .. probably will pass 70k .. 208 consecutive starts .. 510+ and counting tds .. he'll probably eclipse 600 .. he's just not the dude to hate on


I'm glad we agree then that Brady takes his team at least to double digits. No one is saying Brady would beat the 2013 Seahawks :oldlol:

[Rodmantheman]

Peyton has thrown interceptions. I get it. That was a great game.

If u watched u would know Rahim Moore blew that game for the Broncos.

510 times Peyton didn't choke. He has a Superbowl ring. The best statistical season as a QB in NFL HISTORY.

So, according to history, the record books and the statistics, Peyton Manning is pretty good.

But according to ISH, which trumps all reason and logic, Peyton sucks.

Ok I'm done

Read the title dumb ass he isn't the best all time. Rahim Moore play didn't lose the game. Manning pick in OT which lead to a game winning field goal did.

[Bless Mathews]

Bless, we all get it, Peyton has some blemishes. His playoff record isn't great and he has thrown some bad interceptions in big games.

His accolades > his blemishes

Lol.

Just dismiss when a player is supposed to perform at his best and he doesn't.

Putting up 4 Tds in regular season against the jags or some shit outweighs choking in the playoffs.

Ok. Got it.

You stat mongers crack me up.

We typing about goat status. To be THE goat you have to WIN.

the real life isn't fantasy football. You play the game to WIN. Not put up stats.

:facepalm

And as my niggah I don't really like, Celtic ball sack typed, manning himself would trade his records to be 3-0 in superbowls or more. Smh.

He's the wilt of nfl.

Definitely one of top qbs ever, but no way he the goat.

[oarabbus]

Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Any way you mash it up, Peyton Manning is the best quarterback football has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Brady or Montana could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.


Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Anyway you mash it up, Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest player basketball has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Jordan or Russell or Kareem could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Bless, we all get it, Peyton has some blemishes. His playoff record isn't great and he has thrown some bad interceptions in big games.

His accolades > his blemishes

No one is arguing that. Which is why he's one of the greatest of all time. The argument is whether or not he's THE greatest. And his blemishes play a large role in that.

[Bless Mathews]

Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Anyway you mash it up, Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest player basketball has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Jordan or Russell or Kareem could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.

Slayed.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lol.

Just dismiss when a player is supposed to perform at his best and he doesn't.

Putting up 4 Tds in regular season against the jags or some shit outweighs choking in the playoffs.

Ok. Got it.

You stat mongers crack me up.

We typing about goat status. To be THE goat you have to WIN.

the real life isn't fantasy football. You play the game to WIN. Not put up stats.

:facepalm

And as my niggah I don't really like, Celtic ball sack typed, manning himself would trade his records to be 3-0 in superbowls or more. Smh.

He's the wilt of nfl.

Definitely one of top qbs ever, but no way he the goat.

Lets see your top 5 list.

If rings trump actual statistical production, Terry Bradshaw should rank above Manning and Brady all-time, which is just silly.

[Bless Mathews]

Lets see your top 5 list.

If rings trump actual statistical production, Terry Bradshaw should rank above Manning and Brady all-time, which is just silly.

:facepalm

It doesn't completely trump stats. Damn.


There's just no way you can be THE BEST without the wins.

1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Manning/favre
4. Elway/Marino
5. Young

[PHX_Phan]

Some of these arguments are just :facepalm

Anyway you mash it up, Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest player basketball has ever seen. You can't sit here and tell me that Jordan or Russell or Kareem could perform better on a team built from the ground up. No way in ****ing hell does that happen.

The Wilt comparison is just a sorry reach. Football is nothing like basketball and never will be. It's also a terrible analogy even if it were.

Peyton changed not only the quarterback position, but the way defenses play against it. More than just his success and accolades, he changed the game because of how good he was. He's worked with completely different teams and personnel and still came out with the same result.

Careers aside, if you're drafting a team from all-time players, how do you pick any other QB over Manning? How do you justify it? Because of their success with X team and X coach? I'll take Brady if he comes with Belichick, I'll take Montana with those teams. But if we can only choose a QB, it's Manning 10 times out of 10.

[Timmy D for MVP]

The Wilt comparison is just a sorry reach. Football is nothing like basketball and never will be. It's also a terrible analogy even if it were.

Peyton changed not only the quarterback position, but the way defenses play against it. More than just his success and accolades, he changed the game because of how good he was. He's worked with completely different teams and personnel and still came out with the same result.

Careers aside, if you're drafting a team from all-time players, how do you pick any other QB over Manning? How do you justify it? Because of their success with X team and X coach? I'll take Brady if he comes with Belichick, I'll take Montana with those teams. But if we can only choose a QB, it's Manning 10 times out of 10.

That argument also has problems. Manning succeeded with elite level talent around him while Brady succeeded with far less talent. The argument goes on and on. What you have to decide is what you place the most stock in and balance it with everything else. This is why I still maintain Joe Montana as the greatest.

And I still, and will always, maintain that if I had to blind pick a QB with no idea what the rest of the team around him is going to be I'd take Steve Young. Because he's awesome.

[KNOW1EDGE]

That argument also has problems. Manning succeeded with elite level talent around him while Brady succeeded with far less talent. The argument goes on and on. What you have to decide is what you place the most stock in and balance it with everything else. This is why I still maintain Joe Montana as the greatest.

And I still, and will always, maintain that if I had to blind pick a QB with no idea what the rest of the team around him is going to be I'd take Steve Young. Because he's awesome.

It all boils down to this. And we all have different perceptions and preferences. No one can difinitively state who is the "GOAT"

But, the record books and the statistics do not lie.

[Timmy D for MVP]

It all boils down to this. And we all have different perceptions and preferences. No one can difinitively state who is the "GOAT"

But, the record books and the statistics do not lie.

Nor do playoff records and statistics, given a large enough sample.

[Timmy D for MVP]

What Knowledge said is true and I think that makes this one of the best arguments in sports. There's really no way to finish the argument.

[Bless Mathews]

What Knowledge said is true and I think that makes this one of the best arguments in sports. There's really no way to finish the argument.

Except if you were to aks Peyton himself he'd GLADLY trade his records for 3,4 Super Bowl rings , therefore argument is done.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Except if you were to aks Peyton himself he'd GLADLY trade his records for 3,4 Super Bowl rings , therefore argument is done.

I'm sure if you asked Trent Dilfer if he'd trade his ring for Dan Marino's career he'd GLADLY do so.

What's your point?

[dude77]

bradshaw is 4-0 in sbs .. unblemished .. most wins ever next to montana.. obviously the best ever next to montana .. right ?

sb wins are only part of the equation .. no one is going to say dilfer is better than marino and no one is going to say bradshaw is better than marino .. it's different factors put together .. manning, given that he has a superbowl title, has to be right up there, very close to #1 .. why ? because he not only has a title, he trumps everyone in stats .. wtf else does the man need to do ? .. you can't say he's missing anything .. he's done it all .. also threw for more yds and tds than any qb in history at the age of 37, after coming back from a neck injury where no one thought he'd even be a shell of his former self .. amazing shit the guy's done really ..

I wouldn't rank any of them above the other .. just too many factors you have to deal with .. anyone between brady, favre, marino, montana, elway etc can be ranked #1 .. don't give a shit .. they're all elite, bad ass legends who any team would gladly take to start a franchise .. they all pretty much stand next to each other in my book

[gts]

I think if the QB performs to expectations you cannot use wins and losses in the discussion because he has zero impact on 2 of the three team categories, offense, defense and special teams.

How can we say player xyz isn't the greatest because of a failed playoff run if it's the defense that let the team down?

It's not even comparable to basketball where one player can have such a large impact on both ends of the floor for nearly an entire game, so even beginning to try and compare a football players situation to a basketball players is just nonsense

A QB is sitting there helpless half the time hoping the defense can protect his efforts, we've all seen a great QB put an elite level performance only to see special teams players let him down on the ensuing kickoff or the defense turn around and let the other guys march down the field burning up the clock and the offense never even gets a chance on the field again

[Rose]

Manning fans: Greatest QB ever he got all the records, even Brady's!!!

Brady fans: Okay, but what's his postseason record?

Manning fans: It's a TEAM game, not a QB game.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Charlie Sheen]

I never saw 80's Montana, so by default I can take him seriously in the discussion due to the myth factor. But Brady? lmao :oldlol:

*Tuck Rule
*Spygate

Those two things will always be a blemish in his legacy. I'll rather take a 11-12 postseason record than be known as a cheater.

didn't manning and dungy lobby the competition committee after losing to the pats one year? he didnt overcome all the odds against and come out a winner...he wanted to change the rules of the game lol

[ThePhantomCreep]

It is a team game though. Marino failed to win a SB in arguably the GOAT season (1984). Brady won in a sub-3000 yard season (2001). Was Brady > Marino for those respective years?

Ironically, Brady's ATG credentials grew stronger AFTER the Super Bowl runs ended. He wouldn't be in the conversation had his numbers stayed at 2001-2004 levels.

[Rodmantheman]

didn't manning and dungy lobby the competition committee after losing to the pats one year? he didnt overcome all the odds against and come out a winner...he wanted to change the rules of the game lol

Actually it was Bill Polian the former Colts general manger. Ironically this rule change helped the pats became the best offense in 2007.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/16/AR2008011603650.html

[Bless Mathews]

I'm sure if you asked Trent Dilfer if he'd trade his ring for Dan Marino's career he'd GLADLY do so.

What's your point?

Lol

There ya go. Being irrational.

You can't compare the two. It's not the only part of the equation but when discussing THE GOAT, it has to be. No where is dilfer in any equation. We ain't typin about dilfer. Were typin about manning.

Follow along skippy.

[atljonesbro]

All this talk about Montana and his super owls due to team play is great and all, but we all know when it comes down to it were taking manning over him every time. All time fantasy draft manning is #1 overall pick 10/10 times. Way too much talent, Montana can't even compare or keep up.

[Bless Mathews]

All this talk about Montana and his super owls due to team play is great and all, but we all know when it comes down to it were taking manning over him every time. All time fantasy draft manning is #1 overall pick 10/10 times. Way too much talent, Montana can't even compare or keep up.

Lololol

Oh you fantasy stat geeks. Smh

Different eras.

Manning can't even be touched , either can his receivers. Literally. In Montana's era teams actually ran the ball. Eating up clock , shortening the game , less chance all around to put up your stats you jerk too.

Montana in today's game, would no doubt put up similar stats


And as he proved , he would perform AT HIS BEST when it COUNTED MOST.

Maybe this will sum it up...

Do you think any real die hard bronco / colt fan and players gave a shit about his regular season stats? Or did they just want more than ANYTHING to WIN???!!!???

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[atljonesbro]

Lololol

Oh you fantasy stat geeks. Smh

Different eras.

Manning can't even be touched , either can his receivers. Literally. In Montana's era teams actually ran the ball. Eating up clock , shortening the game , less chance all around to put up your stats you jerk too.

Montana in today's game, would no doubt put up similar stats


And as he proved , he would perform AT HIS BEST when it COUNTED MOST.

Maybe this will sum it up...

Do you think any real die hard bronco / colt fan and players gave a shit about his regular season stats? Or did they just want more than ANYTHING to WIN???!!!???

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People who think discrediting things who can measure on an individual make then sound smarter are funny. Stay with your hypotheticals, manning actually did it. Superbowls are the laziest way to measure players and weeds out the people who have no clue what they're talking about.

[Sarcastic]

Manning fans: Greatest QB ever he got all the records, even Brady's!!!

Brady fans: Okay, but what's his postseason record?

Manning fans: It's a TEAM game, not a QB game.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bless Mathews]

People who think discrediting things who can measure on an individual make then sound smarter are funny. Stay with your hypotheticals, manning actually did it. Superbowls are the laziest way to measure players and weeds out the people who have no clue what they're talking about.

Yes. Manning ACTUALLY has a LOOSING record in the playoffs.


Take your stats and figure out your "fantasy" team and keep living in fantasy world.

Any player that is great, puts championships over stats.

EVERY SINGLE player. In ANY sport.

GTFO.

[KNOW1EDGE]

If Montana, Elway, Marino and even Steve Young were playing in today's NFL I believe they could/would put up the same or better numbers than Peyton.

Peytons career isn't even over yet doe

[atljonesbro]

If Montana, Elway, Marino and even Steve Young were playing in today's NFL I believe they could/would put up the same or better numbers than Peyton.

Peytons career isn't even over yet doe
Nostalgia. Manning is clearly the most talented qb in history

[Timmy D for MVP]

Lol

There ya go. Being irrational.

You can't compare the two. It's not the only part of the equation but when discussing THE GOAT, it has to be. No where is dilfer in any equation. We ain't typin about dilfer. Were typin about manning.

Follow along skippy.

What makes my point any less valid than yours?

[CelticBaller]

Manning fans: Greatest QB ever he got all the records, even Brady's!!!

Brady fans: Okay, but what's his postseason record?

Manning fans: It's a TEAM game, not a QB game.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Manning fans are bunch of idiots, it's like they don't realize all QB stats rely on the receiver, therefore it's as team based as any bs they spew

[CelticBaller]

Brady>>>

[BigBoss]

Look. Its impossible to objectively compare any two players unless they have the same coaching staff, players, doctors, nutrionists, trainers, schedule of opponents, same conference, etc etc etc.

So STFU!!!

[riseagainst]

Dam, just last year I had Peyton as 2nd after Brady. But now that he's choked 2 years in a row, he's definitely down to 3rd after 1.Brady and 2.Montana.