Derrick Rose is more athletic than Russell Westbrook

[JohnMax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFN01ugBMak&t=1m7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko8ENihfMoU&t=2m
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCGdhGxNjk&t=2m8s

Westbrook cannot move fast while changing direction like Rose does in these videos

.

[Cocaine80s]

Blasphemous.



Mods....

[Graviton]

No PG can move like Rose, not Westbrook, not Wall, not Kyrie, not Parker.

His flexibility and body control is just on another level, he has moves only he can perform.

[dannywpt]

Rose can do some things Westbrook can't and vice verca.

[AintNoSunshine]

Russell is more imposing both physically and psycologically/mentally.

[keep-itreal]

Rose is quicker, faster.

Russell Westbrook jumps higher than Rose

[beastee]

Mods....
With all the worthless troll bait you throw at everyone...this makes me :roll: :roll:

[chips93]

Rose can do some things Westbrook can't and vice verca.

simple as this

nobody can stop on a dime, and get the kind of elevation russ gets on his pullup jumper

nobody has rose's body control for finishing around the rim.

[Budadiiii]

I'd hope so. The dude has been sitting on his ass for the past 2 years.

He's more fresh than anyone in the entire world. He should be the runaway MVP if he plays to his potential

[Budadiiii]

Somehow Rose is more athletic, skilled, and has a higher bball IQ and is till the inferior player. How does that work?

I consider mental fortitude an athletic trait so in that case, Russ is much more athletic.

[Budadiiii]

Rose finally decided to put the skittles down and oblige his contract?

Bout damn time! :banana:

[The_Pharcyde]

Yeah this is known, westbrook is a crazy athlete but his measurables aren't that great

Rose is the better athlete but russ is number 2 in the league

[TheTruth11]

No PG can move like Rose, not Westbrook, not Wall, not Kyrie, not Parker.

His flexibility and body control is just on another level, he has moves only he can perform.

This

Good post

[TheTruth11]

Yeah this is known, westbrook is a crazy athlete but his measurables aren't that great

Rose is the better athlete but russ is number 2 in the league

Good post. Russell is close. Rose just has an edge in just about every category athletically. Sort of like how Drexler was to Jordan. Both were incredible athletes but Jordan had an edge on him athletically. And that edge made a big difference.

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[Pointguard]

Both are great athletes and are a terror in the open court.

I'd say..

Rose: Quicker (slightly), better at changing directions (even in the air)


Westbrook: bigger, stronger, can finish better around the rim.. more physically imposing and tenacious (especially rebounding).


Overall: Rus.. but it's close.
Rose is obviously bigger. Can't say for granted that makes Rose stronger. But in play I definitely think he is. I don't like the way that guy in Houston bullies Westbrook and he cant be more than 180 lbs. Billups, Kidd and Wade didn't test Rose's strength. Wade even seemed confused by Rose's strength, and had major problems in the post against him.

Finish better around the rim??? Are you nuts? Rose's hands are obviously stronger than Westbrooks and Rose takes contact very noticeably better. The ball flies out of Westbrooks hands frequently. And if he doesn't power dunk it, he isn't close to being the finisher that Rose is.

I think its more obvious now that Rose is clearly faster and quicker then Westbrook, and people are now trying to resort to other areas to balance the two out. Agility, coordination and balance are obviously Rose's advantage as well. Westbrook, has a great ability to go from 0 to 90 in a straight line with a power elevation from 20 feet out. I don't think I can name anybody in the league that got that like him. But most of the other other areas of athleticism Rose seems to have an advantage.

[Pointguard]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lps1l2ob6Y1qztyklo1_500.jpg I think Rose is noticeably bigger. Westbrook has lost weight over the last year and some.

[SugarHill]

Westbrook cannot move fast while changing direction like Rose does in these videos

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-cfptt30w

[Milbuck]

Something that goes underrated about Rose's athleticism is the power he can generate on his dunks..everyone talks about his body control and agility and quickness..and about Westbrook's power..but Rose has his fair share of monster dunks as well. He just hasn't been around much the past few seasons to show it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u1CuL2xA_U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8aiA_z_vQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDdmE6WVZgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpMX19IY8WY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7BSKbKE3pU

Gotta throw the Dragic dunk on there..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

[nathanjizzle]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lps1l2ob6Y1qztyklo1_500.jpg I think Rose is noticeably bigger. Westbrook has lost weight over the last year and some.

Rose is definitely the most handsome amongst them.

[eliteballer]

Westbrook jumpers higher, and he's more explosive getting off the ground.

[Demitri98]

Rose is quicker/faster and a better point guard.

Westbrook is stronger/more powerful and a better player.

It's a wash.

[SugarHill]

Ridiculous. :wtf: :eek:

He's a straight up video game character. Something you'd make a PG for fun and laugh about how ridiculous it is.

[Pointguard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-cfptt30w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLGuFi0Qiwg

The speed difference is considerable. Lebron one of the fastest players in the league, is ahead of Rose twice on the break here, and can't brace himself to even contest the shot.

[Glass Ankles]

One of my favorite plays from Westbrook, vs a great defender in Kawhi. He just explodes to the rim and jams it with like 3-4 people around him.

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/e50ho2.gif

[SugarHill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLGuFi0Qiwg

The speed difference is considerable. Lebron one of the fastest players in the league, is ahead of Rose twice on the break here, and can't brace himself to even contest the shot.

It's really not.

In the end, I'm pretty sure Wall is faster than either.

[Milbuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZaW2XH4JE

This dude is like a 6'3" Lebron with Rapebe's aggression :biggums:

[SugarHill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZaW2XH4JE

This dude is like a 6'3" Lebron with Rapebe's aggression :biggums:

I was watching that earlier. Got scared and closed the tab.

[Pointguard]

It's really not.

In the end, I'm pretty sure Wall is faster than either.
You aren't seriously comparing the speed in the videos, then. You can go to Westbrook's offensive highlights video and nothing approaches that one game by Rose. And Rose has other highlights where he is faster than he is in that video. Wall isn't as explosive as either but he's faster than Westbrook.

[LoneyROY7]

Westbrook soars through the air, while Rose glides.

[KG215]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lps1l2ob6Y1qztyklo1_500.jpg I think Rose is noticeably bigger. Westbrook has lost weight over the last year and some.
You may be right but that's a shit picture to use to prove your point. Even with something like arm/body mass, with an angle like this and the way each player is standing with their arms (Westbrook's arms dangling by his side naturally, Rose has his arms pulled back with his hands behind his back), it's just a terrible picture to use to make this argument.

Not to mention you're trying to argue Westbrook isn't even close to being as fast as Rose really shows you're just incredibly biased when it comes to this topic. Rose may be faster, but don't act like it's not even close.

[turnaroundJ]

Isn't Rose closer to 6'2 and Westbrook closer to 6'4?

Pretty sure Westbrook is bigger and longer.

[Cocaine80s]

Derrick Rose could never do something like this on a defender like Kawhi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uu4-OKnmDw

[Vienceslav]

Isn't Rose closer to 6'2 and Westbrook closer to 6'4?

Pretty sure Westbrook is bigger and longer.
Rose is 6'1 and 1/2, Westbrook is 6'2 1/2.

[Pointguard]

You may be right but that's a shit picture to use to prove your point. Even with something like arm/body mass, with an angle like this and the way each player is standing with their arms (Westbrook's arms dangling by his side naturally, Rose has his arms pulled back with his hands behind his back), it's just a terrible picture to use to make this argument.

Not to mention you're trying to argue Westbrook isn't even close to being as fast as Rose really shows you're just incredibly biased when it comes to this topic. Rose may be faster, but don't act like it's not even close.
Grab any picture with them together or separately. I saw them both live, Rose is thicker. Rose's calves are also bigger.

Regardless of position, common sense, if someone asked you who looks the biggest you couldn't tell. Comon. Are your senses damaged.

I never argued it wasn't close. I said its noticeably. You are showing your bias. And if you see Rose live he seems like he has rocket jets on. Get behind your comments. Here is a thorough, great Westbrook video. Show me a coast to coast run where you think he is fastest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpiipqZwyg

[Pointguard]

Isn't Rose closer to 6'2 and Westbrook closer to 6'4?

Pretty sure Westbrook is bigger and longer.
Its not more than an inch in favor of Westbrook. Rose has a longer wingspan. Westbrook, a higher standing reach. In the end, too small for either to claim.

If you google Rose Westbrook images, there is hardly any difference in height.

[La Frescobaldi]

It's really not.

In the end, I'm pretty sure Wall is faster than either.

maybe.
i think rose might be the fastest guy i've ever seen. jerry west is the quickest on the move getting from perimeter to the rim i ever saw...... but I'm saying rose is prolly actually faster, because his first step is quicker. in other words from a standing start. that guy is blazing fast. faster than westbrook.... but Wall???
Wow let's line them all up in a gym and find out!!

man this is a great league right now for athletes.

[nzamcdza]

Totally depends on your definition of athelticism and how you want to measure it.

[Pointguard]

Totally depends on your definition of athelticism and how you want to measure it.
1)speed
2)strength
3)agility
4)jumping
5)coordination
6)use of size
7)balance
8)endurance
9)dexterity

As a starting point.

[freshperry]

I think westbrook is more like a football athletic if you guys know what i mean. Strong, fast and just overall seems more aggressive. With that being said, Rose has way more body control and lateral movement which allows him to make those crazy circus layups. You don't really see that from westbrook. I think an example is like blake griffin and lebron. They're probably equal athletically, but Lebron has far better body control. (rose and westbrook are obviously closer then lbj vs blake)

[nzamcdza]

I think westbrook is more like a football athletic if you guys know what i mean. Strong, fast and just overall seems more aggressive. With that being said, Rose has way more body control and lateral movement which allows him to make those crazy circus layups. You don't really see that from westbrook. I think an example is like blake griffin and lebron. They're probably equal athletically, but Lebron has far better body control. (rose and westbrook are obviously closer then lbj vs blake)

This is pretty much what I think exactly!

[RRR3]

I'm not sure anyone is faster than Westbrook.
Dude is like a lightning bolt.

[Pointguard]

I think westbrook is more like a football athletic if you guys know what i mean. Strong, fast and just overall seems more aggressive. With that being said, Rose has way more body control and lateral movement which allows him to make those crazy circus layups. You don't really see that from westbrook. I think an example is like blake griffin and lebron. They're probably equal athletically, but Lebron has far better body control. (rose and westbrook are obviously closer then lbj vs blake)
I would take Westbrook as a tight end. No way in the world would I take Westbrook at Running back over Rose. Rose cuts, torques and jukes as good as it gets.

As far as aggressiveness, Rose is like the older brother on his team, he is responsible for the whole offense, usually. He can't go gung ho. Westbrook, who at times looks like pure aggression, doesn't have the same responsibilities.

[theaussieguy]

westbrook DOES NOT jump higher than a pre injury Rose. Rose has a legit 40 inch, westbrook is 37 at best, crack smokin ****** in here

[Cocaine80s]

westbrook DOES NOT jump higher than a pre injury Rose. Rose has a legit 40 inch, westbrook is 37 at best, crack smokin ****** in here
Westbrook is a in game dunker. You don't really believe 37 is his max right?

[Pointguard]

On the jumping thing Rose gets his head by the rim. That's even in his HS scouting report on draftnet.com, nevermind the Dragic dunk.

Rose's speed and acceleration is unlike any I seen. In this play he drives 45 feet - from the halfcourt line in a halfcourt set, Harden has one foot in the lane, Durant is one step out of the lane and Westbrook is 1 foot away from the basket - with both feet in the lane. When Rose is receiving pressure from Sefalosha 45 feet away. Not one of them get a chance to even jump, at Rose who tomahawks a dunk on them that clinches the game. How many players in the history of the game tomahawk a dunk in traffic??? Much less on a critical play from half court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07wiMZqXi88

[tpols]

Rose more agile and nifty.. Westbrook more explosive and straight line fast/aggressive. I like Russell more tbh.. He just gets nasty.

[ArbitraryWater]

We had a huge thread on this before... Both have their advantages, I'd say Westbrook is a bit stronger/more imposing in the air, but Rose is faster, quicker, better body control, not far behind in Russ' categories either....

Rose for me.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-p-KVNFz8

Dayum

[Pointguard]

There is a fast break where Westbtook jumps with two feet from the broken lines... its the epitome of grace and power. I cant find it now but I will.

[ArbitraryWater]

There is a fast break where Westbtook jumps with two feet from the broken lines... its the epitome of grace and power. I cant find it now but I will.

Not these but still:

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/849456751.gif

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/e50ho2.gif

wow

[imdaman99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgpfylEYeWI

Love all his dunks, this one made go ooh baby :eek: announcers reactions :oldlol:

[Pointguard]

Not these but still:

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/849456751.gif

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/e50ho2.gif

wow
Thanks those are more impressive and forcefull, Imdaman's' too. But Brook put down some of the force for grace in the one I'm talking about. The big up I have for Russ' s game is that he declares he will out work you and punish you if you didn't show up. When he matches up with other guards its usually a great contrast of styles.

[The_Pharcyde]

Westbrook is a in game dunker. You don't really believe 37 is his max right?

they both were measured at the same facility on the same day.. rose got 40 and westbrook 37

sure you can say WB is an ingame dunker so he probably gets up higher with the heightened game intensity...but it would be foolish to say Rose doesn't have that same benefit
in a controlled setting roses raw stats were better across the board

this is pretty cut and dry from a raw numbers standpoint...

and arguing that WB has become more athletic since his rookie year isnt valid as he and rose share the same trainer and workout together in the offseason with the exception of this last summer
so rose can use that argument too

[Cocaine80s]

they both were measured at the same facility on the same day.. rose got 40 and westbrook 37

sure you can say WB is an ingame dunker so he probably gets up higher with the heightened game intensity...but it would be foolish to say Rose doesn't have that same benefit
in a controlled setting roses raw stats were better across the board

this is pretty cut and dry from a raw numbers standpoint...

and arguing that WB has become more athletic since his rookie year isnt valid as he and rose share the same trainer and workout together in the offseason with the exception of this last summer
so rose can use that argument too
except Westbrook really did get more athletic while Rose is pretty much the same...

[SugarHill]

they both were measured at the same facility on the same day.. rose got 40 and westbrook 37

sure you can say WB is an ingame dunker so he probably gets up higher with the heightened game intensity...but it would be foolish to say Rose doesn't have that same benefit
in a controlled setting roses raw stats were better across the board

this is pretty cut and dry from a raw numbers standpoint...

and arguing that WB has become more athletic since his rookie year isnt valid as he and rose share the same trainer and workout together in the offseason with the exception of this last summer
so rose can use that argument too
http://www.nbadraft.net/2008_nbapredraftcamp_combine.html

lmfao @ Mayo's vertical

I'm starting to have my doubts on this entire thing :coleman:

[stephanieg]

Westbrook's athleticism is jaw dropping. Rose, well...he has some nifty layups I guess.

[Budadiiii]

Westbrook is much stronger than Rose.

People who say otherwise are ****ing idiots.

[Glide2keva]

Westbrook's athleticism is jaw dropping. Rose, well...he has some nifty layups I guess.
Wow, nifty layups? SMH

[The_Pharcyde]

except Westbrook really did get more athletic while Rose is pretty much the same...

okay westbrook got more athletic but rose didnt, literally right next to westbrook doing the same drills

okay.

[Cocaine80s]

okay westbrook got more athletic but rose didnt, literally right next to westbrook doing the same drills

okay.
you do realize they probably only train with each other for like a month per year at max right?


didn't rose have his adidas tours and shit the past few years and the fiba team?

i doubt they train together that much.

And your logic is ****ing retarded. Rose and Westbrook don't have the same body. Westbrook couldn't even dunk till his senior year of high school. His body probably still had more growing to do then Rose who was dunking since the 8th grade

[The_Pharcyde]

regardless, Rob McClanaghan is having them go on the same regiment in the offseason

its naive to say Rose and Westbrook, 2 of the hardest workers in the NBA who both did the same training but only Westbrook improved his physical attributes

[The_Pharcyde]

you do realize they probably only train with each other for like a month per year at max right?


didn't rose have his adidas tours and shit the past few years and the fiba team?

i doubt they train together that much.

And your logic is ****ing retarded. Rose and Westbrook don't have the same body. Westbrook couldn't even dunk till his senior year of high school. His body probably still had more growing to do then Rose who was dunking since the 8th grade

my logic is retarded but you are saying only westbrook improved athletically but rose "stayed the same" and who knows what the **** that even means lol

why am I arguing over something so trivial

[Cocaine80s]

my logic is retarded but you are saying only westbrook improved athletically but rose "stayed the same" and who knows what the **** that even means lol

why am I arguing over something so trivial
Rose exactly the same athlete since his rookie year. Shit he's probably worse now after all the injuries.

Westbrook looks stronger and more athletic every year

[PistonsFan#21]

i didnt see any mention of Westbrook's dunk vs Rockets which is odd because its one of his best dunks ever imo

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1426791/westbrook-dunks-over-battier-o.gif

The full video with the sound makes it look even nastier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cGrlpU0g0

[The_Pharcyde]

Rose exactly the same athlete since his rookie year. Shit he's probably worse now after all the injuries.

Westbrook looks stronger and more athletic every year

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-39wjEwb2Lak/TcOGnt1UYII/AAAAAAAAAgo/aiatzeqxRLA/s1600/Derrick+Rose+2.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/files/2014/08/Derrick-Rose-Team-USA-showcase.jpg
here, obviously more filled out

this is pointless your arguments are based on absolutely nothing, it is impossible to lose...thats why you do this all day

[Cocaine80s]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-39wjEwb2Lak/TcOGnt1UYII/AAAAAAAAAgo/aiatzeqxRLA/s1600/Derrick+Rose+2.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/files/2014/08/Derrick-Rose-Team-USA-showcase.jpg
here, obviously more filled out

this is pointless your arguments are based on absolutely nothing, it is impossible to lose...thats why you do this all day
he looks the same. plus the 2nd pic is closer so he might look slightly bigger


this whole argument is pointless since Rose isn't the same athlete since his injuries. Westbrook is definitely more athletic than Rose and thats final.

[Hoopz2332]

Westbrook easily. That D Rose athleticism is good for acrobatic layups but Westbrook has that straight beast/NFL athleticism.

[Pointguard]

The main athletic qualifiers for athleticism which are part of main Olympic events (Decathlon, Pentathlon, Gymnastics, Track) :

1)speed
Rose
Comments: nobody here has contested this.

2)strength
Can’t tell.
Comments: some on both sides. And perhaps too hard to measure. Rose definitely looks bigger. Both are what you would call ox strong - meaning they are stronger than other guys their weight.

3)agility Agility the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness:
Rose
Comments: Obvious. Some of it has to do with Rose superior handle but Rose might be one of the most nimble players ever.

4)coordination/balance
Coordination the ability to use different parts of the body together smoothly and efficiently.

Rose
Comments: Rose crossover is much better because of this quality. He can change directions more because of this quality.

5)explosion
Westbrook
Comments: Visually Westbrook is being guarded one moment and the next he's dunking on the guys head.

6)jumping
Rose
Comments: Rose did measure better and does get his head at rim height.

7)dexterity. Dexterity skill in performing tasks, especially with the hands.
Rose
Comments: Dribble and left hand are obviously better in favor of Rose.

8)endurance
Westbrook
While Westbrook rarely plays the amount of minutes Rose does per game (playoffs or regular season) Westbrook never seems to tire and we did see Rose tire once. Rose also has more on his plate responsibility wise and when they play each other Westbrook didn't guard Rose so the measures of endurance and strength are not plain to see side by side.


Rose
Speed, Agility, Coordination/Balance, Dexterity, Jumping.

Westbrook
Endurance, Explosion.

Can't tell with strength. Jumping could be cancelled out. But so can endurance.
I combined coordination and balance both of which could have went to Rose separately.

[Graviton]

^ Durability is on Westbrook's side too, before that injury vs Houston he never missed a game since high school. Then he comes back from 3 knee surgeries and has the best playoffs of his career.

[The_Pharcyde]

[QUOTE=Pointguard]The main athletic qualifiers for athleticism which are part of main Olympic events (Decathlon, Pentathlon, Gymnastics, Track) :

1)speed
Rose
Comments: nobody here has contested this.

2)strength
Can

[Pointguard]

Westbrook easily. That D Rose athleticism is good for acrobatic layups but Westbrook has that straight beast/NFL athleticism.
If you think Westbrook would be a better running back you are crazy. And the running back is usually the best athlete in the NFL.

[Pointguard]

^ Durability is on Westbrook's side too, before that injury vs Houston he never missed a game since high school. Then he comes back from 3 knee surgeries and has the best playoffs of his career.
Good point.

But I would do Durability/Endurance. Like I did Coordination/Balance which aren't as closely related.

[IGOTGAME]

as far as basketball is concerned, Westbrook is the better athlete now. Before Rose got hurt it was a debate, not there is no debate.

Westbrook is much quicker in straight line bursts, stronger, much more explosive, bigger, and stronger than this version of Rose.

[Budadiiii]

If you think Westbrook would be a better running back you are crazy. And the running back is usually the best athlete in the NFL.
He would be MUCH better. You have to be extremely tough to be a running back, and durable.

You are flat-out stupid to even suggest Rose would be a better running back. You're not a very bright person, at all. Quite frankly, you are a blind homer and distort reality. Stop infecting these forums with your blatant lies, you delusional ****

[navy]

If you think Westbrook would be a better running back you are crazy. And the running back is usually the best athlete in the NFL.
They would be different probably, Westbrook more Lynch and Rose more Shady MCCoy. Neither play football so I wouldnt say that one is better than the other.

[Pointguard]

He would be MUCH better. You have to be extremely tough to be a running back, and durable.

You are flat-out stupid to even suggest Rose would be a better running back. You're not a very bright person, at all. Quite frankly, you are a blind homer and distort reality. Stop infecting these forums with your blatant lies, you delusional ****
Your meds ran out.

Please present an argument if you have one.

[Pointguard]

They would be different probably, Westbrook more Lynch and Rose more Shady MCCoy. Neither play football so I wouldnt say that one is better than the other.
I was addressing the qualities that make for a good nfl running back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMdOFnWaRU Westbrook and Rose could not be punishing big running backs. They would be twisting, turning, adjusting, juking running backs like Barry Sanders was. They are a bit tall and would be evasive backs.

[La Frescobaldi]

http://www.nbadraft.net/2008_nbapredraftcamp_combine.html

lmfao @ Mayo's vertical

I'm starting to have my doubts on this entire thing :coleman:

Wait.

Kevin Love has a no-step 29.5" vertical and 35" max????

What is he saving it for????

[ArbitraryWater]

Wait.

Kevin Love has a no-step 29.5" vertical and 35" max????

What is he saving it for????

lmfao

[navy]

Wait.

Kevin Love has a no-step 29.5" vertical and 35" max????

What is he saving it for????
The playoffs.

[The_Pharcyde]

He would be MUCH better. You have to be extremely tough to be a running back, and durable.

You are flat-out stupid to even suggest Rose would be a better running back. You're not a very bright person, at all. Quite frankly, you are a blind homer and distort reality. Stop infecting these forums with your blatant lies, you delusional ****


You are a huge westbrook Stan, the same applies to you

Westbrook is too tall and Lean to play running back, Rose would obviously be the better RB as his physical stature is more suited for that position

But continue the name calling with no argument to back it up just a claim

[julizaver]

It could be true for pre-injury Rose, now I am giving the edge to RW. Both are physical beasts, but will need to adjust and refine their game with aging.
Ussually players like DR and RW who relied mostly on athletism have shorter careers/primes. You can see in the highlights the pressure Rose aplies to his knees when goes to his two handed james - it is almost scary. He goes as hard and high as he could - contrary to MJ who goes to his dunks almost effortlessly.

[Hoopz2332]

If you think Westbrook would be a better running back you are crazy. And the running back is usually the best athlete in the NFL.


Westbrook has low grade/smaller package, lebron type athleticism. Freakish level type stuff:biggums:

[Pointguard]

Westbrook is much quicker in straight line bursts, stronger, much more explosive, bigger, and stronger than this version of Rose.

You are trying to convince yourself.

"Westbrook is much quicker in straight line bursts" then you say in the same sentence "much more explosive,"

Then you say stronger, followed by and stronger and then by bigger

So basically this is your sentence without the psychological convincing:

"Westbrook is much quicker in straight line bursts, stronger, much more explosive, bigger, and stronger than this version of Rose."

While suggesting Rose is faster, more adroit in getting around defenders and Westbrook is more of an athlete because Rose is in a compromised state.

[nathanjizzle]

derrick rose couples his athleticism with finesse, thats why his style is softer and smoother but doesnt make him least athletic. Westbrook doesnt have that kind of style, his style is to use his raw athleticism. Thats the difference between rose and westbrook. They are athletically the same, but rose has finesse and moves, thats why hes a joy to watch.

[Pointguard]

derrick rose couples his athleticism with finesse, thats why his style is softer and smoother but doesnt make him least athletic. Westbrook doesnt have that kind of style, his style is to use his raw athleticism. Thats the difference between rose and westbrook. They are athletically the same, but rose has finesse and moves, thats why hes a joy to watch.

Yes, I think its primarily on the stylistic look. When watching their highlight videos on youtube, Rose definitely stuns the defense more than Westbrook does which means his speed or explosion is more pronounced than Westbrook's. In most of Westbrooks dunks the defender jumps with him only to find the ball pounded on their heads with great power. With Rose, despite whole teams knowing that he is going to the rim, they don't even have time to brace themselves for the block. They don't even have time to jump with him after he passed two defenders. And the third defender doesn't have enough time. A sample of this is in 4 of the 10 dunks below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjMxx9pvXI

The only way you can measure a player real explosion is how stunned defenders are. In this videos it happens a good 25 times. In part two it happens the same amount of times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCGdhGxNjk

In Westbrooks video it happens about 15 times, with about the same amount in part two as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpiipqZwyg

The disclaimers are that Rose was frequently dunking on the third defender whereas Brook is usually on the first or second. Westbrook is closer to his physical prime in these videos. Teams are defensively designed to know and focus on Rose wherever he goes as he had little offensive help back then, where as teams are moreso geared toward Durant in that matter in OKC. Russell's volume should be significantly bigger as he had more games played.

Sure I missed a favorable disclaimer for Westbrook so somebody add to that.

[IGOTGAME]

Yes, I think its primarily on the stylistic look. When watching their highlight videos on youtube, Rose definitely stuns the defense more than Westbrook does which means his speed or explosion is more pronounced than Westbrook's. In most of Westbrooks dunks the defender jumps with him only to find the ball pounded on their heads with great power. With Rose, despite whole teams knowing that he is going to the rim, they don't even have time to brace themselves for the block. They don't even have time to jump with him after he passed two defenders. And the third defender doesn't have enough time. A sample of this is in 4 of the 10 dunks below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjMxx9pvXI

The only way you can measure a player real explosion is how stunned defenders are. In this videos it happens a good 25 times. In part two it happens the same amount of times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCGdhGxNjk

In Westbrooks video it happens about 15 times, with about the same amount in part two as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpiipqZwyg

The disclaimers are that Rose was frequently dunking on the third defender whereas Brook is usually on the first or second. Westbrook is closer to his physical prime in these videos. Teams are defensively designed to know and focus on Rose wherever he goes as he had little offensive help back then, where as teams are moreso geared toward Durant in that matter in OKC. Russell's volume should be significantly bigger as he had more games played.

Sure I missed a favorable disclaimer for Westbrook so somebody add to that.

the Derrick Rose in those videos is gone and never coming back. On the other hand, Westbrook is still here as evidenced by that last dunk to end the half.

[The_Pharcyde]

the Derrick Rose in those videos is gone and never coming back. On the other hand, Westbrook is still here as evidenced by that last dunk to end the half.

you are trolling, you know this how???

you are just trying to rain on bulls fans parade right now not hard to see