Sources: Anderson Varejao, Cavs in contract extension talks

[FatComputerNerd]

"The Cleveland Cavaliers are engaged in serious talks with center Anderson Varejao on a contract extension, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Varejao, 32, could become an unrestricted free agent in July 2015. Nevertheless, he and Cavaliers officials have a mutual desire to reach an agreement in the near future and continue a 10-year partnership."


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--anderson-varejao--cavs-in-contract-extension-talks-052328120.html



It will be interesting to see what happens here. Personally I hope he stays a Cav. until he retires, but I imagine the offers will be pouring in if he returns to the 14/14+ player he is, and looks like he did in the pre-season.

[Eric Cartman]

Sign Varejao, let Thompson walk.

[FatComputerNerd]

How much is he worth?

How long of a contract do we offer given his age and history of injuries?

3-year deal?

[FatComputerNerd]

Maybe he'll do like Big Z and take less money to stay.

He seems to like it here, and knows he's a fan-favorite.

He's already made plenty of $...and now his P&R buddy is back so I can't imagine why he'd want to leave.

[Eric Cartman]

How much is he worth?

How long of a contract do we offer given his age and history of injuries?

3-year deal?

A four year deal with the money streched out for those years would be ideal imo.

Still I can't see a scenario where he doesn't retire with the Cavs.

[DukeDelonte13]

I think a 3 year w/ a team option on the third.

[DukeDelonte13]

Sign Varejao, let Thompson walk.





Thompson is going to get between 9-11 million a year for four years. He's worth it too.

[Uncle Drew]

Sign Varejao, let Thompson walk.
TT's getting paid, he's not going anywhere.

[FatComputerNerd]

We can't let Thompson walk though.

Varejao isn't going to (and shouldn't) play 38+ mpg regularly.

[Eric Cartman]

Thompson is going to get between 9-11 million a year for four years. He's worth it too.

Need to pay more attention to him didn't know he was that good.

[DukeDelonte13]

for comparison's sake.

Faried

PPG RPG BPG FG% FT%
13.7 8.6 0.9 .545 .650


Thompson

PPG RPG BPG FG% FT%
11.7 9.2 0.4 .477 .693

[Uncle Drew]

Need to pay more attention to him didn't know he was that good.
I don't think he's worth that amount of money. He's a nice hustle player, with terrible defense. The only thing that speaks in his advantage is the fact that Rich Paul is his agent.

[DukeDelonte13]

I don't think he's worth that amount of money. He's a nice hustle player, with terrible defense. The only thing that speaks in his advantage is the fact that Rich Paul is his agent.


where does this "terrible defense" myth come from?

He's a well above average defender. He's not a shot blocker, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible defender.

[Springsteen]

Sign Varejao, let Thompson walk.

Did you forget who Thompson's agent is?

I'll let you google it.

[Uncle Drew]

where does this "terrible defense" myth come from?

He's a well above average defender. He's not a shot blocker, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible defender.
I posted an article on RCF regarding the league's best-and-worst rim protectors not to long ago. TT was among the worst. Let me see if I can find it.

[DukeDelonte13]

I posted an article on RCF regarding the league's best-and-worst rim protectors not to long ago. TT was among the worst. Let me see if I can find it.

In that same article it says that TT has some of the fewest FGA attempted at the rim per game.


Advanced defensive metrics are garbage at determining a player's worth on the defensive end. Doesn't take into account all the times bigs pass out of position or can't get position established anyways.

[FatComputerNerd]

They are both important 'cogs' to this Cavs machine.

AV won't be around forever, but is still the better player right now.

I think he's worth a solid 10m per year, but should only be offered a 3-year deal at most.

TT is worth a bit less. I'd say in the 7-9 range, but should be given a longer contract, maybe with extra incentives based on production.

TT is a solid player but I don't like his tunnel vision. I can't remember the last time I saw him get an assist.

[DukeDelonte13]

They are both important 'cogs' to this Cavs machine.

AV won't be around forever, but is still the better player right now.

I think he's worth a solid 10m per year, but should only be offered a 3-year deal at most.

TT is worth a bit less. I'd say in the 7-9 range, but should be given a longer contract, maybe with extra incentives based on production.

TT is a solid player but I don't like his tunnel vision. I can't remember the last time I saw him get an assist.


he's going to look a lot better just worrying about rebounding and defending rather than getting the ball thrown to him down low.

[FatComputerNerd]

he's going to look a lot better just worrying about rebounding and defending rather than getting the ball thrown to him down low.

He never passes out though.

He gets those rebounds and tries to put it back in every time. Sure sometimes he gets it done...often even. I never see him kick it out though, like all the best bigs do. He's got tunnel vision and is a bit of a black-hole.

Not tryin to bash him I like him a lot but he does need to improve in this area.

[DukeDelonte13]

He never passes out though.

He gets those rebounds and tries to put it back in every time. Sure sometimes he gets it done...often even. I never see him kick it out though, like all the best bigs do. He's got tunnel vision and is a bit of a black-hole.


i think he's been kicking it out fine during the preseason. He's looked very good. He's learning, still very young. I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet.

[Uncle Drew]

I posted an article on RCF regarding the league's best-and-worst rim protectors not to long ago. TT was among the worst. Let me see if I can find it.

http://thechilltime.com/look-back-2014s-best-nba-rim-protectors/


LeBron James’ decision to join the Cavaliers was a joyful one for the city of Cleveland, but new head coach David Blatt will have his work cut out for him on the defensive end. Tristan Thompson and Anderson Varejao combined to be one of the most porous rim protecting combinations in the NBA last season. The undersized Thompson, in particular, finished as one of the worst rim protectors on the chart, allowing opponents to shoot an embarrassing 59.1% against him. Including the very poor defender Kyrie Irving, Cleveland must make significant strides defensively if it wants to compete for a championship in 2014-15.

http://i.imgur.com/EdQHDjp.png

Just an fyi: Robin Lopez is set to make $5.34 million this coming season.

[DukeDelonte13]

http://thechilltime.com/look-back-2014s-best-nba-rim-protectors/



http://i.imgur.com/EdQHDjp.png

Just an fyi: Robin Lopez is set to make $5.34 million this coming season.


that's one stat cherry picking. It doesn't account for all the times Thompson forces a big to shoot over him or pass the ball away.

Thompson almost always took the toughest defensive assignment night in and night out against the opponent's best offensive big. People that claim TT doesn't or can't defend either don't watch him play or just only watch the cavs play offense.

[chips93]

i love both guys, they are both great team players, but id be wary of signing them to big long term contracts. tristan is a hard worker, but doesnt seem to have much potential, and injuries are always a worry with andy. if we can get them both for a combined 15 million, id be happy, but much more than that is an overpay imo.

andy is a great fit, hes a really underrated passer and cutter, great in the pick and roll, with great iq. he'll be perfect next to lebron, but his defense is slipping every year.

tristan is a nice player. i think hes good defensively. hes not a shot blocker, but he moves his feet, can switch onto guards, and rotates well. above average rebounder, but still below average on offense. he doesnt have the awareness that andy has, that timing on the pick and roll, and the vision to see his teammates, so hes not nearly as good a pick and roll player as andy.

i think you could get a slightly worse version of tristan for a lot less than the 10 million he'll probably get. ed davis is getting 3 million a year, branden wright gets only 5, same for trevor booker, darrel arthur only gets 3.

i dont think any of those guys are a massive downgrade, but they are al earning half what tristan is likely to get.

ideally, we get andy for 3 years, at like 8 mill a year, and sign some a veteran free agent at like 5 million a year, short term, and let tristan enter RFA if he wants big bucks.

[El Gato Negro]

The Cavs on the surface did a decent job of protecting the rim last season; they allowed just 24 shots per game in the restricted area, the third-lowest mark in the league, and they managed that without fouling much. Stats can be misleading.

[El Gato Negro]

Andy is one of my all time favorite cavs but I think they could upgrade next year. Not sure if wild thing is worth what he will get.

[FatComputerNerd]

Cavs' talks with Thompson stall (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11772508/cleveland-cavaliers-extension-talks-tristan-thompson-stall)

No way is TT worth 12 per year.

[Uncle Drew]

that's one stat cherry picking. It doesn't account for all the times Thompson forces a big to shoot over him or pass the ball away.

Thompson almost always took the toughest defensive assignment night in and night out against the opponent's best offensive big. People that claim TT doesn't or can't defend either don't watch him play or just only watch the cavs play offense.
His defensive RAPM over the last three years, nothing to tip your hat for really:

2012 -3.18
2013 -2.50
2014 -2.36

He was considered a rim-protector when we first drafted him. Blocking and altering shots, he hasn't done much of either.