replace wade with kobe from 11-14

[AnaheimLakers24]

hed have 4 fmvps in that time frame

bran would let him take over every 4th quarter

agree?

[KyleKong]

Kobe regression to the sidekick role and not chucking 30 shots a game?

Suck a butt.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe lacks the fastbreak style that Wade brought to the table. Its a necessary element to succeed beside the King. Kobe by this time was a halfcourt jester, he had a lot of tricks and relied on referees for free throws.

To make full use of Lebron's talents, you need to emphasize run and gun.

[ImKobe]

If he doesn't get injured, he wins FMVP in 2011, 2012 & 2013. He actually got better by the year during that timespan and if he doesn't get the achilles injury, he's a candidate for 2014.

2011 we all know how bad Bran was in the Finals, so as long as Miami wins it's a lock for Kobe

2012 is where it gets interesting, but Kobe did average 39 ppg against the Thunder in the last 3 games of the series the same year and went off for 42 on the road, so I could buy this

2013 Kobe steals it because Lebron plays so horribly early in the series, Kobe always torches the Spurs. He averaged 26/6/8 and had a 121 ORTG against the Spurs in the regular season that year


But honestly, he could win 0. Lebron could sabotage all of the series because he's clearly the Pippen on that team.

[dubeta]

If he doesn't get injured, he wins FMVP in 2011, 2012 & 2013. He actually got better by the year during that timespan and if he doesn't get the achilles injury, he's a candidate for 2014.

2011 we all know how bad Bran was in the Finals, so as long as Miami wins it's a lock for Kobe

2012 is where it gets interesting, but Kobe did average 39 ppg against the Thunder in the last 3 games of the series the same year and went off for 42 on the road, so I could buy this

2013 Kobe steals it because Lebron plays so horribly early in the series, Kobe always torches the Spurs. He averaged 26/6/8 and had a 121 ORTG against the Spurs in the regular season that year


But honestly, he could win 0. Lebron could sabotage all of the series because he's clearly the Pippen on that team.

LOL, lets be serious

If Pau Gasol can outplay Kobe in an entire playoff run, what chance does Kobe really have here

[SugarHill]

If he doesn't get injured, he wins FMVP in 2011, 2012 & 2013. He actually got better by the year during that timespan and if he doesn't get the achilles injury, he's a candidate for 2014.

2011 we all know how bad Bran was in the Finals, so as long as Miami wins it's a lock for Kobe

2012 is where it gets interesting, but Kobe did average 39 ppg against the Thunder in the last 3 games of the series the same year and went off for 42 on the road, so I could buy this

2013 Kobe steals it because Lebron plays so horribly early in the series, Kobe always torches the Spurs. He averaged 26/6/8 and had a 121 ORTG against the Spurs in the regular season that year


But honestly, he could win 0. Lebron could sabotage all of the series because he's clearly the Pippen on that team.

Kobe stans smh

[KyleKong]

If he doesn't get injured, he wins FMVP in 2011, 2012 & 2013. He actually got better by the year during that timespan and if he doesn't get the achilles injury, he's a candidate for 2014.

2011 we all know how bad Bran was in the Finals, so as long as Miami wins it's a lock for Kobe

2012 is where it gets interesting, but Kobe did average 39 ppg against the Thunder in the last 3 games of the series the same year and went off for 42 on the road, so I could buy this

2013 Kobe steals it because Lebron plays so horribly early in the series, Kobe always torches the Spurs. He averaged 26/6/8 and had a 121 ORTG against the Spurs in the regular season that year


But honestly, he could win 0. Lebron could sabotage all of the series because he's clearly the Pippen on that team.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

[SouBeachTalents]

If he doesn't get injured, he wins FMVP in 2011, 2012 & 2013. He actually got better by the year during that timespan and if he doesn't get the achilles injury, he's a candidate for 2014.

2011 we all know how bad Bran was in the Finals, so as long as Miami wins it's a lock for Kobe

2012 is where it gets interesting, but Kobe did average 39 ppg against the Thunder in the last 3 games of the series the same year and went off for 42 on the road, so I could buy this

2013 Kobe steals it because Lebron plays so horribly early in the series, Kobe always torches the Spurs. He averaged 26/6/8 and had a 121 ORTG against the Spurs in the regular season that year


But honestly, he could win 0. Lebron could sabotage all of the series because he's clearly the Pippen on that team.

Kobe could go '04 Finals mode in 2012 & 2013 as well

[Smoke117]

If he doesn't get injured, he wins FMVP in 2011, 2012 & 2013. He actually got better by the year during that timespan and if he doesn't get the achilles injury, he's a candidate for 2014.

2011 we all know how bad Bran was in the Finals, so as long as Miami wins it's a lock for Kobe

2012 is where it gets interesting, but Kobe did average 39 ppg against the Thunder in the last 3 games of the series the same year and went off for 42 on the road, so I could buy this

2013 Kobe steals it because Lebron plays so horribly early in the series, Kobe always torches the Spurs. He averaged 26/6/8 and had a 121 ORTG against the Spurs in the regular season that year


But honestly, he could win 0. Lebron could sabotage all of the series because he's clearly the Pippen on that team.

You are such a tiresome stan...

[AnaheimLakers24]

Kobe lacks the fastbreak style that Wade brought to the table. Its a necessary element to succeed beside the King. Kobe by this time was a halfcourt jester, he had a lot of tricks and relied on referees for free throws.

To make full use of Lebron's talents, you need to emphasize run and gun.
oh so now wade brings something to the table? so much for beung carried all the time huh

[SouBeachTalents]

hed have 4 fmvps in that time frame

bran would let him take over every 4th quarter

agree?

:roll: Kobe's really leading the Heat to victory over the Spurs in 2014

[ImKobe]

LOL, lets be serious

If Pau Gasol can outplay Kobe in an entire playoff run, what chance does Kobe really have here


Kobe stans smh


Jesus ****ing Christ.

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/kobe-bryant-frustrated-after-loss-to-cavaliers.jpg

[Im Still Ballin]

oh so now wade brings something to the table? so much for beung carried all the time huh
Point being he did bring something to the table... It wasn't much at all. What I'm saying is Kobe's style wouldn't bring anything more than what Wade brought. Styles dictate success. It's all about style of play.

[ImKobe]

Point being he did bring something to the table... It wasn't much at all. What I'm saying is Kobe's style wouldn't bring anything more than what Wade brought. Styles dictate success. It's all about style of play.

For one, Kobe is much better conditioned than Wade, he wouldn't be burned out come Playoff time, especially if he gets rest in the regular season with all these blowout wins..

Two, Kobe has more range, it gives Miami more space on offense because teams aren't going to give him wide open 3s...

[Im Still Ballin]

For one, Kobe is much better conditioned than Wade, he wouldn't be burned out come Playoff time, especially if he gets rest in the regular season with all these blowout wins..

Two, Kobe has more range, it gives Miami more space on offense because teams aren't going to give him wide open 3s...
The fastbreak was VITAL to Miami success in those 4 years. Wade for most of them could still get up and down and score efficiently. Kobe by this time was doing his magic in the halfcourt, getting FTS, sneaky midranges, threes, postups, and just generally stad padding in garbage time.

[dubeta]

For one, Kobe is much better conditioned than Wade, he wouldn't be burned out come Playoff time, especially if he gets rest in the regular season with all these blowout wins..

Two, Kobe has more range, it gives Miami more space on offense because teams aren't going to give him wide open 3s...

Just one taste of East playoff defense was enough for Kobe to tuck his tail between his legs and scurry away


How do you think Kobe's going to perform going to 3 straight rounds of East defense? :oldlol:

I'll give you a hint: 6-24 would no longer be seen as a one-time deal for Kobe

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lol @ these moron Kobe stans. Kobe was better than Bron in 2012 and 2013? Really? :oldlol: Heck even in 2011 look how he played against Dallas he was almost as bad as LeBron and MUCH worse than Wade vs them.

[SouBeachTalents]

lol @ these moron Kobe stans. Kobe was better than Bron in 2012 and 2013? Really? :oldlol: Heck even in 2011 look how he played against Dallas he was almost as bad as LeBron and MUCH worse than Wade vs them.

:applause:

[G0ATbe]

If LeBald pulled a FMVP sabotage with him, Kobe would've demanded for LeBald to be traded immediately. Thus,bringing in pieces that actually have a good impact on games, Heat would be on route for a 4-peat right now.

[ImKobe]

The fastbreak was VITAL to Miami success in those 4 years. Wade for most of them could still get up and down and score efficiently. Kobe by this time was doing his magic in the halfcourt, getting FTS, sneaky midranges, threes, postups, and just generally stad padding in garbage time.

So Kobe couldn't run the fast break? What did he do under D'Antoni's offense then? Didn't he play point guard for the team and play the Nash role, and the team won around 70% of those games?:oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUX-VXe3NeE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzGolkfK2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gdrILm47o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCN3faq5I6I

[SouBeachTalents]

If LeBald pulled a FMVP sabotage with him, Kobe would've demanded for LeBald to be traded immediately. Bringing in pieces that actually have a good impact on games, Heat would be on route for a 4-peat right now.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_aLMy9CQAAULhw.jpg:large

[Papaya Petee]

This thread is dumb and pointless, but just to kill the argument for whoever said he would win 4 FMVP's

Kobe never even came close to a 28\10\6 or a 25\10\7 Finals like LeBron in those back to back years.

2011 He averaged 23\3\3 vs the Mavs, which isnt even better than LeBrons 17\7\7, so there goes that.

[ballinhun8]

Bron Stans getting so butthurt in this thread :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

This thread is dumb and pointless, but just to kill the argument for whoever said he would win 4 FMVP's

Kobe never even came close to a 28\10\6 or a 25\10\7 Finals like LeBron in those back to back years.

2011 He averaged 23\3\3 vs the Mavs, which isnt even better than LeBrons 17\7\7, so there goes that.

Not just that, if ANYBODY thinks Kobe is leading the Heat to the title in last years Finals over the Spurs they're ****ing delusional

[ImKobe]

This thread is dumb and pointless, but just to kill the argument for whoever said he would win 4 FMVP's

Kobe never even came close to a 28\10\6 or a 25\10\7 Finals like LeBron in those back to back years.

2011 He averaged 23\3\3 vs the Mavs, which isnt even better than LeBrons 17\7\7, so there goes that.

So this is your argument? He didn't play the uptempo Thunder or the Spurs in his Finals and he played on a bad Laker team in a series that was lopsided. The game that was close (Game 1), And he had 36 against the Mavs in the game that was not a blowout...and on a much worse team...

[ImKobe]

Not just that, if ANYBODY thinks Kobe is leading the Heat to the title in last years Finals over the Spurs they're ****ing delusional

He'd be much better than Wade was, which makes the series much closer.

[Papaya Petee]

So this is your argument? He didn't play the uptempo Thunder or the Spurs in his Finals and he played on a bad Laker team in a series that was lopsided. The game that was close (Game 1), And he had 36 against the Mavs in the game that was not a blowout...and on a much worse team...

Ok, if you want to ignore those facts lets try something else.

LeBron 2011-2014 >> Prime Kobe, so why the **** would a past his Prime Kobe have a chance to win FMVP not once, but 4 years in a row?

[G0ATbe]

Not just that, if ANYBODY thinks Kobe is leading the Heat to the title in last years Finals over the Spurs they're ****ing delusional
:lol Kobe is known for destroying the Spurs. And the ones he destroyed were the best versions, whilst being on a less stacked team than the Heat. If healthy, wouldn't be surprised if Kobe swept.

[SouBeachTalents]

He'd be much better than Wade was, which makes the series much closer.

That's true, he definitely couldn't be worse than Wade, but I have a seriously tough time believing he'd help the Heat take down the Spurs, and win Finals MVP doing so

[Papaya Petee]

:lol Kobe is known for destroying the Spurs. And the ones he destroyed were the best versions, whilst being on a less stacked team than the Heat. If healthy, wouldn't be surprised if Kobe swept.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Yes because those Spurs were better than 2014 Spurs.... And Kobe was in his prime last year. :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

Ok, if you want to ignore those facts lets try something else.

LeBron 2011-2014 >> Prime Kobe, so why the **** would a past his Prime Kobe have a chance to win FMVP not once, but 4 years in a row?

Cause Kobe would make Lebron his sidekick.

[ImKobe]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Yes because those Spurs were better than 2014 Spurs.... And Kobe was in his prime last year. :roll: :roll:

clueless.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

clueless.
What?! You actually think replacing Wade with Kobe would win the Heat the chip last season?! :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cause Kobe would make Lebron his sidekick.

Which wouldn't be good for the team as all since LeBron has been by far a better player than Kobe these past 4 years.

[ImKobe]

What?! You actually think replacing Wade with Kobe would win the Heat the chip last season?! :oldlol:

Replace that version of Wade with a healthy Kobe? Hell yes. Spurs can't even shut down Kobe when he's the only offensive option. How they gonna defend both Bran and Kobe? :oldlol:

And you have no idea how much spacing Kobe adds to that Heat team.

[SugarHill]

What?! You actually think replacing Wade with Kobe would win the Heat the chip last season?! :oldlol:

He thinks 2013 Kobe is making LeBron his Pippen

[G0ATbe]

LeBron has been by far a better player than Kobe these past 4 years.
:facepalm

[Cold soul]

Ok, if you want to ignore those facts lets try something else.

LeBron 2011-2014 >> Prime Kobe, so why the **** would a past his Prime Kobe have a chance to win FMVP not once, but 4 years in a row?

I wouldn't list 2011 Lebron over prime Kobe. That Finals epic choke job he pulled was worse than anything Kobe has ever done.

[SouBeachTalents]

I wouldn't list 2011 Lebron over prime Kobe. That Finals epic choke job he pulled was worse than anything Kobe has ever done.

Honestly, it's worse than anything any player has ever done imo

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe in 2004 was every bit as bad as LeBron in 2011

[Smoke117]

Seems like a lot of people are forgetting about defense? Defense was a big part of the Miami identity and Wade was a big part of that. Kobe was below average to complete crap defensively 11-13. Kobe on the 1st team all defensive team over Wade in 11 is just hilarious.

[Cold soul]

Honestly, it's worse than anything any player has ever done imo

This is true.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe in 2004 was every bit as bad as LeBron in 2011

They're both bad in different ways, Kobe was selfishly over aggressive while LeBron was unacceptably passive. At least the Lakers were thoroughly outplayed in '04, a good series from Kobe probably doesn't even change the outcome. LeBron basically singlehandedly cost the Heat the 2011 Finals with his underwhelming play, 4th quarter disappearances, and his abysmal performance in the series turning Game 4

[dubeta]

Honestly, it's worse than anything any player has ever done imo

:facepalm

just when I thought you were objective

[SouBeachTalents]

:facepalm

just when I thought you were objective

Lol, if you can't admit LeBron was TERRIBLE in the 2011 Finals then you clearly have no objectivity

[ImKobe]

They're both bad in different ways, Kobe was selfishly over aggressive while LeBron was unacceptably passive. At least the Lakers were thoroughly outplayed in '04, a good series from Kobe probably doesn't even change the outcome. LeBron basically singlehandedly cost the Heat the 2011 Finals with his underwhelming play, 4th quarter disappearances, and his abysmal performance in the series turning Game 4

Watch the series, fool. Kobe tried to feed his teammates as much as possible, they missed open shots and turned the ball over, Shaq was constantly in foul trouble and had problems establishing position down low...

[SouBeachTalents]

Watch the series, fool. Kobe tried to feed his teammates as much as possible, they missed open shots and turned the ball over, Shaq was constantly in foul trouble and had problems establishing position down low...

Lol, you can't put any blame on Kobe for anything huh

[Smoke117]

Lol, you can't put any blame on Kobe for anything huh

Why are you even responding to him?

[dubeta]

Lol, if you can't admit LeBron was TERRIBLE in the 2011 Finals then you clearly have no objectivity

18/7/7 on 47% >>> 95% of players to ever play in the Finals

[SugarHill]

Dude is trying to say 04 wasn't Kobe's fault at all.

[ImKobe]

Lol, you can't put any blame on Kobe for anything huh

He didn't have one of his better series, but you completely underrate what the Pistons' defense did to the entire Lakers team.

Kobe's 2004 Finals was not as bad as Lebron's 2011 Finals simply because of Game 2. Hit the shot to get it to OT and closed the deal there. At least I can give you a Kobe Finals game, where he shows up in the clutch. You can't do that for Lebron in the 2011 Finals.

[GrapeApe]

Assuming everyone else on the team performed at roughly the same level, the end results would be the same. This of course cannot be assumed so hypotheticals like these are rather pointless. The issues of chemistry, style, health, good or bad fortune, etc... are impossible to account for.

[ImKobe]

Assuming everyone else on the team performed at roughly the same level, the end results would be the same. This of course cannot be assumed so hypotheticals like these are rather pointless. The issues of chemistry, style, health, good or bad fortune, etc... are impossible to account for.

What is this, a rational post? http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png

[Smoke117]

He didn't have one of his better series, but you completely underrate what the Pistons' defense did to the entire Lakers team.

Kobe's 2004 Finals was not as bad as Lebron's 2011 Finals simply because of Game 2. Hit the shot to get it to OT and closed the deal there. At least I can give you a Kobe Finals game, where he shows up in the clutch. You can't do that for Lebron in the 2011 Finals.

Wade destroyed the 05 and 06 Pistons defense in the playoffs...but but the Pistons defense is underrated because Kobe was awful...:D

[I<3NBA]

they're not going to win with Kobe's atrocious defense. and with no rim protector, it'll be a layup parade for opponents.

Miami won its 2 championships on perimeter defense.

[ImKobe]

Wade destroyed the 05 and 06 Pistons defense in the playoffs...but but the Pistons defense is underrated because Kobe was awful...:D

Guess you weren't around to know that they changed the defensive rules solely because of what the Pistons did to Kobe in the Finals, making it much easier for Wade and others to score against them...

Mark Cuban came in Kobe's defense and the league agreed to ban handchecking because the Pistons figured out a way to exploit it.

[ImKobe]

they're not going to win with Kobe's atrocious defense. and with no rim protector, it'll be a layup parade for opponents.

Miami won its 2 championships on perimeter defense.

:oldlol: revisionist history at it's finest. And you're acting like Wade was the only perimeter defender, that defense is not a team effort, that one guy can play defense for the other 4 guys http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png

[Smoke117]

:oldlol: revisionist history at it's finest. And you're acting like Wade was the only perimeter defender, that defense is not a team effort, that one guy can play defense for the other 4 guys http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png

Lebron and Wade were by far the two best perimeter defenders on the team and Wade was especially key to their devastating traps.

[AnaheimLakers24]

imkobe schooling this guy an his alts

[SouBeachTalents]

imkobe schooling this guy an his alts

If it wasn't for the mods you'd still be mentioning dlcks in every post you make

[SugarHill]

If it wasn't for the mods you'd still be mentioning dlcks in every post you make
:oldlol:

[dubeta]

I think that's that for this thread


Solid evidence suggests kobe can't get past the 1st round without either


1) Most Dominant Player in NBA History

2) 2 7 footers and a 6'10 SF


And also having the GOAT coach in NBA history, all this just to get out the 1st round mind you

So unless Kobe can give full offense responsibilities to LeBron, the answer is no


End of thread

[HOoopCityJones]

:roll: Kobe's really leading the Heat to victory over the Spurs in 2014

Kobe destroys the Spurs. He's not LBJ, who's a career loser vs Timmy.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe destroys the Spurs. He's not LBJ, who's a career loser vs Timmy.

Kobe wins the title in 2014 against the Spurs? The career 40% finals scorer?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/753/801/f2f.gif

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe wins the title in 2014 against the Spurs? The career 40% finals scorer?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/753/801/f2f.gif

Kobe had to deal with the likes of prime Manu, Duncan, and Parker.

LBJ played the declining version of those players the last two Finals. Is this even a debate? Kobe dismantled The Spurs in the playoffs, the years he didn't the series was always close. LBJ got outplayed by Leonard of all people.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe had to deal with the likes of prime Manu, Duncan, and Parker.

LBJ played the declining version of those players the last two Finals. Is this even a debate? Kobe dismantled The Spurs in the playoffs, the years he didn't the series was always close.

Kobe never needed to deal with those Individuals solely...

Point out the Spurs TEAM Versions which were superior to the 2014 Spurs (You know there aren't any).

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe never needed to deal with those Individuals solely...

Point out the Spurs TEAM Versions which were superior to the 2014 Spurs (You know there aren't any).

Why?:roll: Because the trash ass 2014 Heat let them blow them out practically every game? GTFO AB before I embarrass you. 2014 Spurs aren't even Pop's best squad, only a traumatized Bron stan would think so.

"OMFG, this has to be the best Team ever!!" :no:

Ask TLP, I ain't a Spurs fan, but if he says that's the best Team, then lmao.

[tpols]

Kobe wins the title in 2014 against the Spurs? The career 40% finals scorer?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/753/801/f2f.gif

Kobe rapes the spurs doe.

What season was Wade in of his career last year? 10th?

Yea that's 07/08 Kobe.. He ain't dropping 15ppg on 50TS:oldlol:.. I think he gave the spurs 30 on 50% or something in those years. Easy win.

[HOoopCityJones]

What season was Wade in of his career last year? 10th?

Yea that's 07/08 Kobe.. He ain't dropping 15ppg on 50TS:oldlol:.. I think he gave the spurs 30 on 50% or something in those years. Easy win.

:oldlol: Ether.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why?:roll: Because the trash ass 2014 Heat let them blow them out practically every game? GTFO AB before I embarrass you. 2014 Spurs aren't even Pop's best squad, only a traumatized Bron stan would think so.

"OMFG, this has to be the best Team ever!!" :no:

Ask TLP, I ain't a Spurs fan, but if he says that's the best Team, then lmao.

Well, name the superior Spurs versions over the 2014 Spurs then...

Go ahead, embarrass me...

Just letting you know: 2014 Spurs are the most dominant team since 2001 Lakers (Factually in +/- Win Margins)

http://i.gyazo.com/de4efd9eb5e349877a7d1f5aac3a6acf.png
http://i.gyazo.com/11034f257ac34a3d96d63ff6887377b5.png

One of the GOAT Passing, Offensive AND Defensive Teams...

:bowdown:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe rapes the spurs doe.

What season was Wade in of his career last year? 10th?

Yea that's 07/08 Kobe.. He ain't dropping 15ppg on 50TS:oldlol:.. I think he gave the spurs 30 on 50% or something in those years. Easy win.

Oh, LeBron AND Kobe? Sure, 2014 and 2008 Kobe win the title... Kobe can easily replace 2014 Wade's production, not something to be proud of though :lol Also that's not the question here.

[HOoopCityJones]

Well, name the superior Spurs versions over the 2014 Spurs then...

Go ahead, embarrass me...

Just letting you know: 2014 Spurs are the most dominant team since 2001 Lakers

http://i.gyazo.com/de4efd9eb5e349877a7d1f5aac3a6acf.png
http://i.gyazo.com/11034f257ac34a3d96d63ff6887377b5.png

One of the GOAT Passing, Offensive AND Defensive Teams...

:bowdown:

Doesn't mean shit. Past prime Timmy and Manu negates all of that shit. These current Spurs are completely system based. Ain't a bad thing, but they've had tougher Teams. They rank with Teams like the 11 Mavs and 04 Pistons.

[ArbitraryWater]

Doesn't mean shit. Past prime Timmy and Manu negates all of that shit. These current Spurs are completely system based. Ain't a bad thing, but they've had tougher Teams. They rank with Teams like the 11 Mavs and 04 Pistons.

Is this the "embarrassing me" part? (Also it actually DOESN'T negate that part considering their Win Margins were never as high) You simply reply with "bullshit" to every statistical fact while making unfounded opinions left and right?

[tpols]

Oh, LeBron AND Kobe? Sure, 2014 and 2008 Kobe win the title... Kobe can easily replace 2014 Wade's production, not something to be proud of though :lol Also that's not the question here.
Huh? Op says replace Wade not bran..

[ArbitraryWater]

Huh? Op says replace Wade not bran..

OP, but not the conversation you jumped into.

[HOoopCityJones]

Huh? Op says replace Wade not bran..

He doesn't have his shit together. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

He doesn't have his shit together. :facepalm

You gotta be one of the funniest posters on here :lol

You don't try to be funny, though...

Didn't you just make the argument Kobe would win on the 2014 Heat against the Spurs instead of LeBron? And now you're agreeing with him about what in the OP says?

Who goes through all this trouble to basically call yourself retarded?

And I'm still waiting for your glorious part of destruction, bro...

You jumped this post


Is this the "embarrassing me" part? (Also it actually DOESN'T negate that part considering their Win Margins were never as high) You simply reply with "bullshit" to every statistical fact while making unfounded opinions left and right?

If you still can't get your shit together, might aswell wish Ebola on me again... Seems you don't have anything left. Hell, you never even had anything to start with.

[HOoopCityJones]

You gotta be one of the funniest posters on here :lol


How nice of you. Unfortunately I think you're full of shit and the shit that fertilize grass on hardworking people's lawns are more important to society than you. :applause:

[Smoke117]

Kobe had to deal with the likes of prime Manu, Duncan, and Parker.

LBJ played the declining version of those players the last two Finals. Is this even a debate? Kobe dismantled The Spurs in the playoffs, the years he didn't the series was always close. LBJ got outplayed by Leonard of all people.

You've always been on the border of a stan and a retard...you have now crossed that line.

[ArbitraryWater]

You've always been on the border of a stan and a retard...you have now crossed that line.

I don't think he's even worth the reply anymore... This guy has a disease, garbage spewing.. I don't think he's even good at making unfounded opinions anymore considering he still hasn't given me the list of superior Spurs teams to the 2014 version.

[tpols]

Didn't you just make the argument Kobe would win on the 2014 Spurs instead of LeBron? .

Now I'm even more confused.. How can Kobe 'win on the spurs instead of lebron' when LeBron was never on the spurs to begin with?

[ArbitraryWater]

Now I'm even more confused.. How can Kobe 'win on the spurs instead of lebron' when LeBron was never on the spurs to begin with?

Excuse my mistake..

What is this, Kindergarten? Did you just turn into MarkMadsen? Since when are you this thick and inept?

[Papaya Petee]

clueless.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.

[SouBeachTalents]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.

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[ArbitraryWater]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.

Papaya Pete always bringing the ether :bowdown:

[Smoke117]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.


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[SugarHill]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.
:biggums:

[AnaheimLakers24]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.
kobe > bran

[IncarceratedBob]

lol at the end of the day kobe > wade and it's not remotely close

[ballinhun8]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.



Didn't read!!!!!!

Kobe 11> Wade 11 doe

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade was better in the playoffs , no doubt. But Kobe had the better season.

[navy]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

2011 Wade>>> 2011 Kobe and it isn't that close. Wade scored a little more on much better efficiency, was a better rebounder, MUCH better defender, and averaged just as much assists as Kobe while sharing the ball with LeBron. 2011 wasn't a good year for Kobe. I don't even have to talk about the playoffs where Kobe was awful and Wade was dominant aside from 1 series vs Chicago.

Wade put up better numbers than Kobe with LEBRON on his team, and performed 500% better than Kobe did vs that same Mavericks team. What the f*** makes you think if you replace Wade with Kobe the Heat have a chance vs the 2011 Mavs? Wade averaged 27\7\5 on 55% and played great defense that series until his injury in game 5. Blocking Tyson Chandler, blocking and stealing the ball left and right from Jason Terry, pick pocketing the ball running 1 man fast breaks. Until Wades injury in game 5 he was averaging 30\8\6\3\1. Kobe would have no chance to beat that Mavs team with his 2011 form and a 2011 LeBron.


Kobe averaging 23\3\3 to go along with LeBrons 18\7\7 will win the series for Miami? and Kobe winning FMVP? 0 chance.

Then, you think Kobe is outplaying LeBron when LeBron was at HIS BEST in 2012 and 2013. You ACTUALLY think Kobe will win the FMVP over LeBron vs OKC, when LeBron averaged 28\10\6 and absolutely raped the Thunder? Wade averaged 23\6\5 in that series and Kobe wouldn't do much better if at all.

2013 is the only series Kobe would even have a remote chance. Even then it wouldn't happen. Kobe isn't matching 25\10\7, LeBron put up some GOAT level games in games 6 and 7. The Heat wouldn't have won that series if Wade doesn't explode in game 4 and play fantastic in game 7 anyway. He played good defense and came up big when it mattered the most. LeBron still wins FMVP. I can see Kobe averaging about 26\5\5 but still, no.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY trying to argue that 2014 Kobe in place of Wade would of helped the Heat beat the Spurs? :roll: Using the "logic" that Kobe went off against the Spurs in the past? When was the last time he did that? 2008? 6 years ago?

Kobe in 2014 played like 8 games and averaged 14\6\5 on 42% from the field. He couldn't move and his defense was beyond atrocious. Those 8 or whatever games he played I would argue he was the WORST defensive guard in the league. Yet he would be of ANY use against this 2014 Spurs team which played arguably GOAT basketball?

But.. but... but... if Kobe was healthy in 2014 they would win :cry:
Idiot, if Wade was healthy in 2014 the series would have been closer too, but he wasn't, Kobe CERTAINLY wasn't and unless you had a 2006 Wade or 2003 Kobe on that Heat team, that series would have been a blowout regardless. Spurs were THAT good.

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[Dresta]

Didn't read!!!!!!

Kobe 11> Wade 11 doe
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