The Miami Heat are showing why those hypothetical situations of replacing a player...

[rule1223]

are retarded. Looking at this team, if you didnt know any better, replacing Luol Deng with Lebron would result in a guaranteed championship but look what happened last year. This is why knowledgeable fans laugh at the idea someone like t-mac or paul pierce couldve replaced Kobe during the Lakers 3peat and done just as well.

[russwest0]

LeBron is the exception to most of those hypotheticals because he actively makes star players around him worse.

And you can pull the two rings argument out, but it doesn't work too well considering the first was on a playoff run of epic rigged proportions and the second was the result of a Ray Allen 3.

[lilteapot]

LeBron is the exception to most of those hypotheticals because he actively makes star players around him worse.

And you can pull the two rings argument out, but it doesn't work too well considering the first was on a playoff run of epic rigged proportions and the second was the result of a Ray Allen 3.

Classic case of repeating a lie so many times you start to believe it's true.

[russwest0]

Classic case of repeating a lie so many times you start to believe it's true.

Or just the result of looking at the performance of those players before and after LeBron.

[STATUTORY]

that's cause people dont take into consideration the negative externality that Bran has on his teammates

the discerning observers with keen penetrating insights refer to that as the "bran differential"

[nathanjizzle]

dmavs41 is notorious for using hypothetical's to argue his point.

[nathanjizzle]

that's cause people dont take into consideration the negative externality that Bran has on his teammates

the discerning observers with keen penetrating insights refer to that as the "bran differential"

you sound retarded trying to sound smart.

[ImKobe]

Classic case of repeating a lie so many times you start to believe it's true.

Statistically, he did, as it is evidenced this season...

Kobe was able to average 30 ppg alongside Shaq, no problem. Scottie got 21/8/8 alongside MJ, no problem there, 2nd 3-peat Scottie was the one dominating the ball while MJ got his in the post. He found a way to make it work. Even when MJ retired in 93, Scottie put up virtually similar numbers without him, you might have expected him to become a 25+ppg scorer with MJ not getting his 30, but his scoring only went up slightly... You see Bosh go from a 16/7 player to a 25/10 player without Lebron...hmm.

Bran however seems to cause his teammates to have worse production with him there....

Gasol was okay in Memphis, came to LA and beasted alongside Kobe, 2012 both Gasol and Bynum were able to beast while Kobe got his...

Lebron just hasn't proved to be as good in that department. We're talking all-star teammates, by the way.

[STATUTORY]

dmavs41 is notorious for using hypothetical's to argue his point.
dmavs is an agenda poster that said Bosh was never as good as Pau Gasol :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Taller than CP3]

If you think about it, the Heat actually have a better chance to defeat the Spurs now than they did last year. It just goes to show how much of a negative impact Lebron really had on the team.

[lilteapot]

Or just the result of looking at the performance of those players before and after LeBron.
Let's look a Bosh's performance before lebron:

no playoff series wins

After:
2 titles

[ImKobe]

Let's look a Bosh's performance before lebron:

no playoff series wins

After:
2 titles

He joined Lebron in his prime, dumbass. He's still in his prime, his health is there and he's beasting. 29 PER. .303 WS/48

with Lebron he's a Horace Grant or a Robert Horry. Without Lebron he's Hakeem.

[lilteapot]

He joined Lebron in his prime, dumbass. He's still in his prime, his health is there and he's beasting. 29 PER. .303 WS/48

with Lebron he's a Horace Grant or a Robert Horry. Without Lebron he's Hakeem.
LMAO he was always good. Just because production lessens doesn't mean he got worse. Bosh had a role to play in Miami and it didn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet.

Plz watch more basketball

[Magic 32]

Let's look a Bosh's performance before lebron:

no playoff series wins

After:
2 titles

I guess stacking the deck with 3 all-stars in a historically weak conference had nothing to do with that.

Your argument is DESPERATE.

Lebron made his teammates "just good enough".

[russwest0]

Let's look a Bosh's performance before lebron:

no playoff series wins

After:
2 titles

thank you historical rigging and ray allen :applause:

definitely proves that bran didn't make bosh worse :applause:

[lilteapot]

I guess stacking the deck with 3 all-stars in a historically weak conference had nothing to do with that.

Your argument is DESPERATE.

Lebron made his teammates "just good enough".
So if Bosh is "Hakeem" why couldn't he get past the first round without 2 other all stars? And if Lebron made him and Wade worse then the teams wouldn't be as stacked, would it?

[livinglegend]

Lol at dumbasses acting like miami is going to win the championship. 2nd round team at best.

[JT123]

He joined Lebron in his prime, dumbass. He's still in his prime, his health is there and he's beasting. 29 PER. .303 WS/48

with Lebron he's a Horace Grant or a Robert Horry. Without Lebron he's Hakeem.
:roll: :roll: :roll: 3 good games and Bosh is now Hakeem? :oldlol:
Never change Kobe stans, never change.

[ImKobe]

LMAO he was always good. Just because production lessens doesn't mean he got worse. Bosh had a role to play in Miami and it didn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet.

Plz watch more basketball

That's the point...Lebron makes his all-star teammates role players...diminishes their impact to make his stats look good. Bosh and Wade can do a lot more than Lebron's asked from them, as it was evident throughout their Miami run. Wade and Bosh beasted when allowed to.

[Fudge]

Let's look a Bosh's performance before lebron:

no playoff series wins

After:
2 titles
:roll: :facepalm

[livinglegend]

Statistically, he did, as it is evidenced this season...

Kobe was able to average 30 ppg alongside Shaq, no problem. Scottie got 21/8/8 alongside MJ, no problem there, 2nd 3-peat Scottie was the one dominating the ball while MJ got his in the post. He found a way to make it work. Even when MJ retired in 93, Scottie put up virtually similar numbers without him, you might have expected him to become a 25+ppg scorer with MJ not getting his 30, but his scoring only went up slightly... You see Bosh go from a 16/7 player to a 25/10 player without Lebron...hmm.

Bran however seems to cause his teammates to have worse production with him there....

Gasol was okay in Memphis, came to LA and beasted alongside Kobe, 2012 both Gasol and Bynum were able to beast while Kobe got his...

Lebron just hasn't proved to be as good in that department. We're talking all-star teammates, by the way.
Stopped at statiscally. Basketball is more than stats.

[JT123]

thank you historical rigging and ray allen :applause:

definitely proves that bran didn't make bosh worse :applause:
No one takes a Thunder fan talking about rigging seriously. :oldlol: The league has been trying to rig Durant a ring for 2 years now, and he STILL can't get the job done! :roll:

[lilteapot]

That's the point...Lebron makes his all-star teammates role players...diminishes their impact to make his stats look good. Bosh and Wade can do a lot more than Lebron's asked from them, as it was evident throughout their Miami run. Wade and Bosh beasted when allowed to.
What about when Lebron was on the bench so many times last year and Bosh and Wade did nothing to bring them back from a deficit? How did James make them two worse in that instance?

Lebron had early foul trouble against Indy in last year's playoffs. What did Wade and Bosh do to get the win?

Lebron cramps up in the NBA finals and Wade and Bosh can't hold down the fort in clutch time. What stopped them from stepping up?

[Magic 32]

So if Bosh is "Hakeem" why couldn't he get past the first round without 2 other all stars?

Because he played on a garbage team. Just like Love and Wade.

And I never said he was Hakeem. He was just a lot better than what Lebron made him into.



And if Lebron made him and Wade worse then the teams wouldn't be as stacked, would it?

The team was stacked enough to absorb Lebron's diminishing effect on his teammates.

[ImKobe]

:roll: :roll: :roll: 3 good games and Bosh is now Hakeem? :oldlol:
Never change Kobe stans, never change.

Lebron robbed Bosh of his prime....27-30 years old is usually a player's true prime in terms of having great knowledge of the game and still being very athletic....

Bosh was avging 24/11 on 52% shooting prior to joining Miami, 17/7 in Miami on 51% and 26/11/4 on 48/55/86 shooting post-Lebron so far...55% from 3 bro

[livinglegend]

No one takes a Thunder fan talking about rigging seriously. :oldlol: The league has been trying to rig Durant a ring for 2 years now, and he STILL can't get the job done! :roll:
It s mor like: no one takes a thunder fan seriously period. I havent seen one good intelligent thunder fan.

[Magic 32]

What about when Lebron was on the bench so many times last year and Bosh and Wade did nothing to bring them back from a deficit? How did James make them two worse in that instance?


How did Lebron do when Wade was the first option in the 2011 finals?

What did he do when Wade was on the bench?

Not much. It's called rhythm.

[lilteapot]

Lebron robbed Bosh of his prime....27-30 years old is usually a player's true prime in terms of having great knowledge of the game and still being very athletic....

Bosh was avging 24/11 on 52% shooting prior to joining Miami, 17/7 in Miami on 51% and 26/11/4 on 48/55/86 shooting post-Lebron so far...55% from 3 bro

You just told me Bosh was still in his prime you dope :oldlol:

[lilteapot]

How did Lebron do when Wade was the first option in the 2011 finals?

What did he do when Wade was on the bench?

Not much. It's called rhythm.

Great points, so now you just proved Wade somehow made Lebron a worse teammate :oldlol:

Please, let's just put this forced criticism aside.

[livinglegend]

So since superstars bosh and wade are back, miami should be the favorites. We ll see how far they go.

[lilteapot]

So since superstars bosh and wade are back, miami should be the favorites. We ll see how far they go.
Championship or bust IMO

[russwest0]

So since superstars bosh and wade are back, miami should be the favorites. We ll see how far they go.

Miami the favorites over Bron/Love/Kyrie/Waiters/Varejao/Tristan/Miller/Marion

:biggums: :wtf:

[lilteapot]

Miami the favorites over Bron/Love/Kyrie/Waiters/Varejao/Tristan/Miller/Marion

:biggums: :wtf:
Hey, they're apparently so much better now that Lebron is gone, what's stopping these two mega stars from steamrolling the competition to the finals? They're already on pace for 82-0

[oti]

Let's look a Bosh's performance before lebron:

no playoff series wins

After:
2 titles

Let's look at Bron's performance before joining Wade

couldn't make the playoffs in his first 2 years

swept by the spurs in NBA Finals

[lilteapot]

Let's look at Bron's performance before joining Wade

couldn't make the playoffs in his first 2 years

swept by the spurs in NBA Finals

Because that's as bad as never getting past the first round in a weak conference :rolleyes:

[russwest0]

Hey, they're apparently so much better now that Lebron is gone, what's stopping these two mega stars from steamrolling the competition to the finals? They're already on pace for 82-0

I didn't think people were actually this retarded :roll: :roll: :roll:

They are a better team w/o Bran but the league will rig it in favor of Bran once the playoffs hit regardless because Cleveland is the only team in the East the media is going to focus on.

[lilteapot]

I didn't think people were actually this retarded :roll: :roll: :roll:

They are a better team w/o Bran but the league will rig it in favor of Bran once the playoffs hit regardless because Cleveland is the only team in the East the media is going to focus on.

All of your arguments against Lebron are "RIGGED"

Ever think he might be as good as people say he is?

[Magic 32]

Great points, so now you just proved Wade somehow made Lebron a worse teammate :oldlol:


Yes, his role was deminished the finals.

But Lebron just took it to the next level of awful with amazing passivity and fear of failure.

And no defence.

So yes, Lebron was slightly worse than Bosh when his role was diminished.

Congrats.

[livinglegend]

Miami the favorites over Bron/Love/Kyrie/Waiters/Varejao/Tristan/Miller/Marion

:biggums: :wtf:
Well, since lebron turns all-stars into role players, love and kyrie will be signifacally worse than last year. It s going to be lebron and a bunch of role players.
Miami was the most stacked team in history last year. This year, they transformed 2 role players into superstars ( wade and bosh) since lebron left. They added great players in deng, mcroberts, williams. They are even better than last year. They are the most stacked ever.

[JT123]

Lebron robbed Bosh of his prime....27-30 years old is usually a player's true prime in terms of having great knowledge of the game and still being very athletic....

Bosh was avging 24/11 on 52% shooting prior to joining Miami, 17/7 in Miami on 51% and 26/11/4 on 48/55/86 shooting post-Lebron so far...55% from 3 bro
It's 3 games you dope. 2 of the teams were missing their top big men in Nene and Amir Johnson, and the other team was the Sixers. :roll:
How about we wait and see what Bosh does against a REAL big before we start calling him "Hakeem"

[livinglegend]

I didn't think people were actually this retarded :roll: :roll: :roll:

They are a better team w/o Bran but the league will rig it in favor of Bran once the playoffs hit regardless because Cleveland is the only team in the East the media is going to focus on.
Even if they tried to rig, it shouldnt matter. Heat this year is so good that they should be able to win despite the refs. Take last year s spurs against okc for example. Spurs were so good that even with refs constantly trying to rig for okc, spurs found ways to win. I expect the same from the most stacked team in history of sports.

[Fudge]

Well, since lebron turns all-stars into role players, love and kyrie will be signifacally worse than last year. It s going to be lebron and a bunch of role players.
Miami was the most stacked team in history last year. This year, they transformed 2 role players into superstars ( wade and bosh) since lebron left. They added great players in deng, mcroberts, williams. They are even better than last year. They are the most stacked ever.
Nope, Cavs are now the most stacked team of all-time, surpassing the 2010-2014 Heat teams. Sorry, bro.

[Magic 32]

Lebron robbed Bosh of his prime

Robbing players of their prime is Lebron's speciality.

[lilteapot]

Nope, Cavs are now the most stacked team of all-time, surpassing the 2010-2014 Heat teams. Sorry, bro.
But since Lebron makes all star players around him worse, are you implying that Lebron is such a supreme talent that having him on your team alone is enough to warrant it being deemed a stacked team?

[livinglegend]

Robbing players of their prime is Lebron's speciality.
Totally agree! Just like he robbed kobe s prime by making a fool of him in their head2head matchups.

[livinglegend]

But since Lebron makes all star players around him worse, are you implying that Lebron is such a supreme talent that having him on your team alone is enough to warrant it being deemed a stacked team?
Hahahahaha
I think that s what he means. Lebron = GOAT according to him

[hiphopfan777]

LeBron is the exception to most of those hypotheticals because he actively makes star players around him worse.

And you can pull the two rings argument out, but it doesn't work too well considering the first was on a playoff run of epic rigged proportions and the second was the result of a Ray Allen 3.
Without l ebrons 16 points in fourth quarter that ray allen three doesnt matter

[riseagainst]

Classic case of repeating a lie so many times you start to believe it's true.

someone's mad.

[supercybergeek]

wow you can tell all that 3 games in? amazing!

[JT123]

Nope, Cavs are now the most stacked team of all-time, surpassing the 2010-2014 Heat teams. Sorry, bro.
Your trolling is in a steep decline, as you are starting to use this line a little too much. You need to learn how to adapt your game as you age. PM me for tips.

[Magic 32]

Without l ebrons 16 points in fourth quarter that ray allen three doesnt matter

Without Lebron playing like a scrub in the first 3 qtrs, his 8 minutes of heroic layups would not have been needed.

Never has so little greatness been surround by so much garbage.

[Fudge]

Your trolling is in a steep decline, as you are starting to use this line a little too much. You need to learn how to adapt your game as you age. PM me for tips.
How am I trolling? Is it not true?

[JT123]

Totally agree! Just like he robbed kobe s prime by making a fool of him in their head2head matchups.
:lebronamazed:

[Magic 32]

Totally agree! Just like he robbed kobe s prime by making a fool of him in their head2head matchups.

Agree. Lebron is the king of regular season matchups.

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/51b5f6feeab8eacb64000022/lebron-jason-terry-dunk-gif.gif

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/jet3.gif

[lilteapot]

Without Lebron playing like a scrub in the first 3 qtrs, his 8 minutes of heroic layups would not have been needed.

Never has so little greatness been surround by so much garbage.

So now you're calling the stacked team that Lebron is a part of garbage?

Make up yo mind cuz

[Magic 32]

So now you're calling the stacked team that Lebron is a part of garbage?

Make up yo mind cuz


No, I'm calling Lebron garbage.

Shooting 3-12 and turning the ball over will hurt any team.

[lilteapot]

No, I'm calling Lebron garbage.

Shooting 3-12 and turning the ball over will hurt any team.
so he is "little greatness" and he is at the same time surrounded by garbage which means he is garbage?

[Fudge]

But since Lebron makes all star players around him worse, are you implying that Lebron is such a supreme talent that having him on your team alone is enough to warrant it being deemed a stacked team?
This is a known fact, at the moment. But this year still remains to be seen.

And like, LeBron making all-star talents worse =/= not being stacked with talent. It just doesn't go hand in hand. See 2013 Lakers.

There just isn't any other way around it. Cavs are simply the most stacked team of all-time.

[JT123]

Agree. Lebron is the king of regular season matchups.

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/51b5f6feeab8eacb64000022/lebron-jason-terry-dunk-gif.gif

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/jet3.gif
It's hilarious that you like to use that Terry gif so much, considering he made nine 3's in Kobe's grill during that same playoff run en route to sweeping your boy in embarrassing fashion. :roll:

[lilteapot]

This is a known fact, at the moment. But this year still remains to be seen.

And like, LeBron making all-star talents worse =/= not being stacked with talent. It just doesn't go hand in hand. See 2013 Lakers.

There just isn't any other way around it. Cavs are simply the most stacked team of all-time.
Heat have 4 all stars
Cavs have 4 all stars...OH WAIT since Lebron makes his all star teammates role players, they only have 1 all star, which is Lebron James.
So what puts the Cavs over the Heat in terms of being stacked? It's Lebron James, right?

[Magic 32]

It's hilarious that you like to use that Terry gif so much, considering he made nine 3's in Kobe's grill during that same playoff run en route to sweeping your boy in embarrassing fashion. :roll:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/706328/x2011-april-25-0-13-5.jpg.pagespeed.ic.viboodxfs_.jpg

Whats Lebron's excuse?

A sprained manhood?

[Magic 32]

so he is "little greatness" and he is at the same time surrounded by garbage which means he is garbage?

http://www.studioefes.de/images/rauschen/weisses_rauschen.gif

[Fudge]

Heat have 4 all stars
Cavs have 4 all stars...OH WAIT since Lebron makes his all star teammates role players, they only have 1 all star, which is Lebron James.
So what puts the Cavs over the Heat in terms of being stacked? It's Lebron James, right?
Of course, you act like i'm about to disprove that and say Bron is some sort of scrub. Dude is one of the top players in the league, to go along with 2 other top 5 players at their position. How is it even a comparison? :oldlol:

Miami has 2. Cavs have 3, btw.

[SwayDizzle]

lol at thinking a superstar Wade and Bosh team isn't stacked. Those two at their prime together would destroy the league. I think Wade at his best is better than Lebron at his best. Wade at his best rivals Kobe at his best (falling slightly short).

[lilteapot]

Of course, you act like i'm about to disprove that and say Bron is some sort of scrub. Dude is one of the top players in the league, to go along with 2 other top 5 players at their position. How is it even a comparison? :oldlol:

Miami has 2. Cavs have 3, btw.

Deng
Wade
Bosh
Granger

Lebron
Love
Kyrie
Marion

4=4

[Fudge]

Deng
Wade
Bosh
Granger

Lebron
Love
Kyrie
Marion

4=4
:roll:

[Megabox!]

Did that guy really just say that Chris Bosh is the Equivalent of Hakeem when he's not playing alongside of Lebron? I'm...I'm baffled

[pauk]

Or just the result of looking at the performance of those players before and after LeBron.

Wade just before Lebron either missed the playoffs or got blown in the 1st round since 2006.
Bosh just before Lebron either missed the playofs or got blown in the 1st round his entire career.

That performance?

After Lebron? Just get back at mid-season or end of the season (especially playoffs) and have a look.... be patient....

I know you are butthurt as a Durant/OKC stan considering what Lebron has done to him/you/them.... but you cant let that cloud your basketball judgement.... see, even with your logic you are by mistake discrediting Durant or Westbrook even more... last season Durant performed his career best and won MVP only because Westbrook was out, meaning Westbrook bottlenecks Durant (and vice versa)..... and oh, take a look at James Harden..... and take a look at Ibaka right now without Durant/Westbrook.... he is averaging 20 ppg....

There is only ONE ball out there, ofcourse a player gets more possessions & is FORCED to do more without the better player around.... but that doesnt mean the TEAM is better...

[PJR]

Wade just before Lebron either missed the playoffs or got blown in the 1st round since 2006.
Bosh just before Lebron either missed the playofs or got blown in the 1st round his entire career.

That performance?

After Lebron? Just get back at mid-season or end of the season (especially playoffs) and have a look.... be patient....


Yeah....I like how Pauk has to add the caveat "since 2006" in the case of Wade. Essentially cutting half of Wade's career off...Where he lead the Heat to the Eastern semis as a rookie, co-lead the Heat to Eastern Conference Finals in 2005, and won the whole damn thing in 2006.

And I bet you had the Heat started this early season 0-3, and looked terrible, you wouldn't be waiting to write them off. Now you're saying "Be patient" lol.

Clown.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Deng
Wade
Bosh
Granger

Lebron
Love
Kyrie
Marion

4=4

:facepalm :facepalm