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navy
11-04-2014, 11:05 PM
Value per contract basis. :no:

Bigsmoke
11-04-2014, 11:24 PM
He is a better fit.

Smook A.
11-04-2014, 11:28 PM
Like Jalen Rose said, signing Ariza was probably the most under-the-radar signing in the offseason. He's one of the best at knocking down the 3 from the corner and plays excellent defense. Perfect fit for Houston.

ronnymac
11-04-2014, 11:32 PM
Trevor has transformed our team defense instantly just by his leadership. Watching us on defense this season compared to last season is like night and day.he is also probably one of the top 5 three point shooters in the league. Once he gets his eye in, it is money. He has brought a lot and costs 5 million less then Parsons for equal offensive and light years better defensive production.

stalkerforlife
11-04-2014, 11:33 PM
I'm a Parsons guy, but Ariza has looked great.

Great value signing.

stalkerforlife
11-04-2014, 11:34 PM
Trevor has transformed our team defense instantly just by his leadership. Watching us on defense this season compared to last season is like night and day.he is also probably one of the top 5 three point shooters in the league. Once he gets his eye in, it is money. He has brought a lot and costs 5 million less then Parsons for equal offensive and light years better defensive production.

No.

Parsons is better offensively and as the season progresses, that will be evident.

ronnymac
11-04-2014, 11:40 PM
No.

Parsons is better offensively and as the season progresses, that will be evident.
Yes. He is a better shooter and much more effecient. He doesn't force it on offense like parsons, he knows his spots, moves amazingly well off the ball and the ball movement and the offensive rhythm is better. Parsons last season needed the ball to be effective which stagnated the offense and both hardens and Howard's rhythm. Trevor is a terrific slasher off the ball and he makes great flex cuts which usually results in a pass to him cutting to the basket by Howard or jones.

Trevor is not just a stat guy, he fits on and off the ball which equates to more effecient team ball. As for his stats, they are close to parsons at a more effecient clip. Trevor is a underrated passer and rebounder to.

noob cake
11-04-2014, 11:41 PM
Ath333za

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

HylianNightmare
11-04-2014, 11:45 PM
He is a better fit.
this.

stalkerforlife
11-04-2014, 11:45 PM
Yes. He is a better shooter and much more effecient. He doesn't force it on offense like parsons, he knows his spots, moves amazingly well off the ball and the ball movement and the offensive rhythm is better. Parsons last season needed the ball to be effective which stagnated the offense and both hardens and Howard's rhythm. Trevor is a terrific slasher off the ball and he makes great flex cuts which usually results in a pass to him cutting to the basket by Howard or jones.

Trevor is not just a stat guy, he fits on and off the ball which equates to more effecient team ball. As for his stats, they are close to parsons at a more effecient clip. Trevor is a underrated passer and rebounder to.

For their careers...

Parsons 47.3%, 37.2 3pt%, 71ft%.

Ariza - 43.5%, 35.1 3pt%, 69ft%.

Check the facts before you make yourself a liar.

ronnymac
11-04-2014, 11:51 PM
For their careers...

Parsons 47.3%, 37.2 3pt%, 71ft%.

Ariza - 43.5%, 35.1 3pt%, 69ft%.

Check the facts before you make yourself a liar.
Trevor has improved his shot in the last few years. Who is shooting better in the last two years. Trevor admitted he had to work on his shot. Right now Trevor is a better three point shooter and even parsons would admit that. Parsons is probably little better off the dribble with the Mid-range pull-up

rezznor
11-04-2014, 11:53 PM
For their careers...

Parsons 47.3%, 37.2 3pt%, 71ft%.

Ariza - 43.5%, 35.1 3pt%, 69ft%.

Check the facts before you make yourself a liar.
ariza's stats are skewed because he was alot worse as a first option. parsons never had that pressure or the focus of defenses

stalkerforlife
11-04-2014, 11:59 PM
ariza's stats are skewed because he was alot worse as a first option. parsons never had that pressure or the focus of defenses

When was Ariza ever a first option?

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:01 AM
When was Ariza ever a first option?

2010.

noob cake
11-05-2014, 12:02 AM
When was Ariza ever a first option?

His first stint in Houston, leaving LA after a great playoff series.

Morey thought he might have had first option potential. Didn't work out.

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:02 AM
2010.

Damn.

If true, the team must have been horrid.

And one season doesn't skew an entire career.

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:04 AM
Damn.

If true, the team must have been horrid.

And one season doesn't skew an entire career.

Didn't watch ball in 2010. Noob confirmed. Stop posting and allow others to educate you.

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:09 AM
Didn't watch ball in 2010. Noob confirmed. Stop posting and allow others to educate you.

I don't recall irrelevant things.

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:12 AM
Anyone want to explain how Ariza was a first option in 09-10 as the 4th or 5th highest scorer?

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:12 AM
I don't recall irrelevant things.

You seem well into Ariza now. Is he relevant because of Harden and Howard?

Damn. So influential. :applause:

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:14 AM
You seem well into Ariza now. Is he relevant because of Harden and Howard?

Damn. So influential. :applause:

Explain how he was a first option while being 4th or 5th in scoring?

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:31 AM
Explain how he was a first option while being 4th or 5th in scoring?

Explain why you're so interested in a player who was irrelevant merely 4 seasons ago.

Go on.

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:32 AM
Explain why you're so interested in a player who was irrelevant merely 4 seasons ago.

Go on.

That's what I thought.

More lies.

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:35 AM
That's what I thought.

More lies.

Too easy. Next.

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:39 AM
Too easy. Next.

"You got served."

UK2K
11-05-2014, 12:46 AM
For their careers...

Parsons 47.3%, 37.2 3pt%, 71ft%.

Ariza - 43.5%, 35.1 3pt%, 69ft%.

Check the facts before you make yourself a liar.
Ariza shot like sub par 30% for several seasons when he was younger.

Ariza is shooting 60% this season in an offense that he just happens to fit perfectly int to.

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:47 AM
"You got served."

Back peddling I see. :oldlol:

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 12:50 AM
Ariza shot like sub par 30% for several seasons when he was younger.

Ariza is shooting 60% this season in an offense that he just happens to fit perfectly int to.

Oh I forgot, we can only count the seasons that push your agenda.

:rolleyes:

YouGotServed
11-05-2014, 12:54 AM
"You got served."

Unoriginal. 1/10 for the effort.

G-train
11-05-2014, 01:07 AM
Just 2 ok small forwards that I dont care about.

MiseryCityTexas
11-05-2014, 01:11 AM
When was Ariza ever a first option?


Proof that people don't watch basketball unless it's a big market team playing.

RidonKs
11-05-2014, 01:11 AM
:facepalm

Xsatyr
11-05-2014, 01:44 AM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1953745/ib11KcKZbepWZ0.gif

stalkerforlife
11-05-2014, 01:52 AM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1953745/ib11KcKZbepWZ0.gif

Looking like a damn boss.

:applause:

masonanddixon
11-05-2014, 03:25 AM
lol Houston's schedule has been a ****ing joke so far. They'll lose in the first round at best.

parsons has been excellent for Dallas so far, if you can't see it you;'re being a contrarian or intentionally trying to provoke a rise.

WeGetRing2012
11-05-2014, 03:35 AM
Houston fans us Lakers fans know Ariza too well. Ariza can be a game changer but he's not a "leader"/someone you can count on every night. In LA Kobe, Gasol, Phil put us in winning situations and Ariza occasionally made some huge plays. The Rockets aren't going anywhere lead by Dwight,Harden, and Mchale & not to mention they have no depth.

el_locoteee
11-05-2014, 04:50 AM
Houston fans us Lakers fans know Ariza too well. Ariza can be a game changer but he's not a "leader"/someone you can count on every night. In LA Kobe, Gasol, Phil put us in winning situations and Ariza occasionally made some huge plays. The Rockets aren't going anywhere lead by Dwight,Harden, and Mchale & not to mention they have no depth.

Lol you know Ariza play for Houston before right?

tomSR.
11-05-2014, 07:26 AM
Looking like a damn boss.

:applause:

so beautiful.........:pimp:

Magic731
11-05-2014, 09:03 AM
Ariza was recruited to be a 1st option in 2010 but it didn't work out that way. Instead they had Brooks, Scola and Martin dominate their offense.

Tking714
11-05-2014, 12:14 PM
Explain how he was a first option while being 4th or 5th in scoring?

He was recruited to be the first option and then got exposed about 10 games in. He started out with a few 20 point games and primary ball handling duties. Scola became the top option afterwards. He did keep his play up, but for every good game he'd have a bad one, so the stats are skewed.

Why are you asking questions and then getting mad at people who answer them when they clearly followed him that season and didn't just check an online stat sheet and make up scenarios like you're doing?

noob cake
11-05-2014, 12:20 PM
Ariza was recruited to be a 1st option in 2010 but it didn't work out that way. Instead they had Brooks, Scola and Martin dominate their offense.

Late game play list:

(Prime) Brooks take an iso
Scola scoops up a shot in the pain

Ariza couldn't handle the ball to create his own shot well enough. Martin couldn't either.

That offense was so terrible. Four 3rd option player trying to lead a team.

Bosnian Sajo
11-05-2014, 12:41 PM
Houston fans us Lakers fans know Ariza too well. Ariza can be a game changer but he's not a "leader"/someone you can count on every night. In LA Kobe, Gasol, Phil put us in winning situations and Ariza occasionally made some huge plays. The Rockets aren't going anywhere lead by Dwight,Harden, and Mchale & not to mention they have no depth.

Ariza is not a leader? Lol, you do realize he was 23 when he last played for the Lakers and now he is 29, right? A lot changes in 6 years.

Ariza has changed the defensive mentality on the Rockets and is much more consistent than Parsons when it comes to 3pt shooting. Add to the fact that they got rid of Lin (addition by subtraction) and grumpy ol Asik, who never really seemed to be apart of the team last year always crying for minutes, this Rockets team is actually better than last year. I didn't think they would be, but they are actually playing good basketball.

ArbitraryWater
11-05-2014, 12:45 PM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1953745/ib11KcKZbepWZ0.gif

:eek:

Parsons and Lin looking bawzy

IMObjective
11-05-2014, 12:58 PM
Ariza was clutch as fk on the biggest stages. 47.6% for 3 pointers throughout the Lakers championship run . I don't know if parsons has it in him.

ronnymac
11-05-2014, 01:02 PM
The improvement of Cannan and terry has more then made up for lins departure and in fact Cannans defense ad outside shooting with terry and his vet vet leadership to go with his deadly outside shooting in fact we got more depth at the one despite to contary belief. At the three we have more depth, shooting, defense and playmaking then this time last season.Ariza is averaging one less point then Parsons while shooting close to 60 percent from the three point line to Parsons 44 and Trevor is shooting 58 from the field while chandler is shooting 50 percent. Granted Chandler is taking 4 more shots overall a game but it shows there is zero disparity.

Trevor is grabbing 5 boards to parsons 4 and Trevor is dishing out 3 assists to Parsons 2.Then combine that papanikola who is a terrific passer/defender and a ok 3 point shooter something we lacked as a backup at that spot last season, I say at the very least we didn't miss a beat and probably got deeper at those spots.the biggest issue is the backup 5. Black and Dorsey are not very good so I wouldn't be surprised to see black gone to make room for Jumaine. Oneal or a Okafor if he gets semi healthy. We still have the NO pick and some trade chips for an upgrade down the road if needed be.

disel
11-05-2014, 01:08 PM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1953745/ib11KcKZbepWZ0.gif
look at the monarge

rezznor
11-05-2014, 01:15 PM
i'm surprised nobody has mentioned Parson's shot. it is very flat with little arc. that was one of the criticisms against him in houston. ariza's shot is much nicer aesthetically.

MiseryCityTexas
11-05-2014, 01:20 PM
Terrence Jones's rebounding has improved dramatically also.

UK2K
11-07-2014, 01:16 AM
Well, do we need to even argue this anymore?