Kobe has a -27.1 net on/off rating so far this season

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Offense:

Kobe ON: 105.4
Kobe OFF: 103.0

Defense:

Kobe ON: 128.0
Kobe OFF: 98.5

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2015/

-27.1 net

Wow....it's even worse than I thought :eek:

[dubeta]

worst player in the league :facepalm

[Levity]

http://i.groupme.com/320x323.gif.3d13b30cbc434d9bb91f4f0a6a108e85

[Droid101]

36 year old, 19th season Kobe with bench players and borderline d-leaguers, 0-5.

Prime LeBron with two all stars, an all-nba player, All star MVP, and FIBA MVP, playing in the East, 1-3.

[Mr Feeny]

Ok it has to he said. He's absolutely atrocious defensively.

[chazzy]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?

[Asiantastic]

Terrible...

Clearly Ellington or Henry should start over him.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Supporting cast is irrelevant. This stat is literally comparing him to his cast. So if his cast sucks it means he's even worse. And once again, this thread is about Kobe. Not LeBron.

[heyhey]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?


:roll: :roll: :roll: OP dont want to play this game no more

[Jlamb47]

36 year old, 19th season Kobe with bench players and borderline d-leaguers, 0-5.

Prime LeBron with two all stars, an all-nba player, All star MVP, and FIBA MVP, playing in the East, 1-3.
This, PER 36

Lebron


21.1ppg 5.4 rpg 4.2 apg 413%


Kobe

28.9ppg 5.4 rpg 2.9 apg 402%


Thread BACK FIRE

[Mr Feeny]

36 year old, 19th season Kobe with bench players and borderline d-leaguers, 0-5.

Prime LeBron with two all stars, an all-nba player, All star MVP, and FIBA MVP, playing in the East, 1-3.

Yet he's somehow making these "D-leaguers" WORSE. What does that say about him?

[DonDadda59]

I've never seen such a negative defensive impact from one player. It's unreal. With him on the court, there's a marginal difference in their offense. With him off the court, they're a great defensive squad but when he's in... they're the worst defense of all time :eek:

[chazzy]

When Lebron is off the court, the Cavs play like the best defense in the league. Damn. Holding them back.

[Heavincent]

Still playing better than prime Lebron :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?

ouch

:roll:

/end thread
shut it down

[TheMarkMadsen]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?


OP LOOK AWAY!!

:roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

I've never seen such a negative defensive impact from one player. It's unreal. With him on the court, there's a marginal difference in their offense. With him off the court, they're a great defensive squad but when he's in... they're the worst defense of all time :eek:

I didn't think he was this bad. These numbers are mind-boggling.

[Heavincent]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Garnett-Reaction-at-2013-Dunk-Contest.gif

[DonDadda59]

Still playing better than prime Lebron :oldlol:

Children, please. Stop the bickering. Can we all agree that stats and the eye test show that both Kobe and LeBron suck ass this year and their teams are suffering as a result? :confusedshrug:

1-8 combined records? Yuck.

[heyhey]

OP weeping softly, biting his bottom lip, losing hope


we are all witnesses

[Droid101]

Supporting cast is irrelevant. This stat is literally comparing him to his cast. So if his cast sucks it means he's even worse. And once again, this thread is about Kobe. Not LeBron.
Jeremy Lin has the same net =/- this year at -81. Carlos Boozer is a few points behind that at -69. Wes Johnson is at -50.

5 of the worst 7 +/- scores are Lakers.

Bu bu bu bu it's Kobe's fault!!!

[For_Three]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?
OP Owned.

http://www.troll.me/images/screaming-baby/boom-headshot.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

Jeremy Lin has the same net =/- this year at -81. Carlos Boozer is a few points behind that at -69. Wes Johnson is at -50.

5 of the worst 7 +/- scores are Lakers.

Bu bu bu bu it's Kobe's fault!!!

If they're at 128 on the defensive with him in, then YEAH it is his fault :roll:

[chazzy]

Children, please. Stop the bickering. Can we all agree that stats and the eye test show that both Kobe and LeBron suck ass this year and their teams are suffering as a result? :confusedshrug:
Lol, is it not more surprising that a prime Lebron's defensive impact is almost as bad as a 36 y/o after two major injuries? What did you guys really expect of Kobe this year

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?

Overall LeBron is at about a -17. Much better than Kobe. And no one is saying LeBron is playing well yet people legitimately think Kobe is. Anyways, this thread is about Kobe not LeBron. Why do Kobe fans always bring him up?

[MastaKilla]

Defense:
Prime Lebron ON: 116.9
Prime Lebron OFF: 93.8

+23.1

Ouch. Chasing MJ?


:roll: :roll:

[heyhey]

Overall LeBron is at about a -17. Much better than Kobe. And no one is saying LeBron is playing well yet people legitimately think Kobe is. Anyways, this thread is about Kobe not LeBron. Why do Kobe fans always bring him up?

Maybe cause the tagline under your screenname says

"CEO OF LEBRON FAMILY"

Who you trying to fool dawg?

[riseagainst]

If they're at 128 on the defensive with him in, then YEAH it is his fault :roll:

if kobe is playing 1v5 and still managing to keep their offense to 128 then that's impressive.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Jeremy Lin has the same net =/- this year at -81. Carlos Boozer is a few points behind that at -69. Wes Johnson is at -50.

5 of the worst 7 +/- scores are Lakers.

Bu bu bu bu it's Kobe's fault!!!

Do I really need to explain the difference between raw plus minus and net on/off rating to you?

[Mr Feeny]

Overall LeBron is at about a -17. Much better than Kobe. And no one is saying LeBron is playing well yet people legitimately think Kobe is. Anyways, this thread is about Kobe not LeBron. Why do Kobe fans always bring him up?because they have nothing to answer with. They know just how horrific Kobe is at this point:lol

[DonDadda59]

Lol, is it not more surprising that a prime Lebron's defensive impact is almost as bad as a 36 y/o after two major injuries? What did you guys really expect of Kobe this year

Surprising? Yes, a bit. But all I'm seeing here is guys arguing about who should win the gold medal at the special olympics.

Both guys have always been grossly overrated defenders (Bean was a solid shut down defender during the 3-peat era I'll admit). But they've taken terrible defense to never before seen lows.

[chazzy]

Overall LeBron is at about a -17. Much better than Kobe. And no one is saying LeBron is playing well yet people legitimately think Kobe is. Anyways, this thread is about Kobe not LeBron. Why do Kobe fans always bring him up?
Why does a Raptor fan care so much about Lebron?

[riseagainst]

Overall LeBron is at about a -17. Much better than Kobe. And no one is saying LeBron is playing well yet people legitimately think Kobe is. Anyways, this thread is about Kobe not LeBron. Why do Kobe fans always bring him up?

so you are saying that prime lebron is just barely better than a 36 year old kobe who just came off an achilles and knee injury.

:applause:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Maybe cause the tagline under your screenname says

"CEO OF LEBRON FAMILY"

Who you trying to fool dawg?

And you are a ****** but you don't see me bringing up homosexuality in every thread you make. This thread has nothing to do with LeBron.

[heyhey]

Anyways, this thread is about Kobe not LeBron.

CEO of Lebron family doe


And you are a ****** but you don't see me bringing up homosexuality in every thread you make. This thread has nothing to do with LeBron.

nikka catching feelings now :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Why does a Raptor fan care so much about Lebron?
Why does a Laker fan. I was literally responding to a post you made.

[Mr Feeny]

if kobe is playing 1v5 and still managing to keep their offense to 128 then that's impressive.

Are you on drugs? Read you're post again. Smh :biggums:

[MastaKilla]

Surprising? Yes, a bit. But all I'm seeing here is guys arguing about who should win the gold medal at the special olympics.

Both guys have always been grossly overrated defenders (Bean was a solid shut down defender during the 3-peat era I'll admit). But they've taken terrible defense to never before seen lows.


It's only a "bit surprising" ??

This year is making me realize that i have never seen such low expectations for "the best player in the league" during his prime

[Heavincent]

OP getting butthurt in his own troll thread :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I am just trying to keep this thread on track with intelligent/objective basketball talk.

[Mr Feeny]

Surprising? Yes, a bit. But all I'm seeing here is guys arguing about who should win the gold medal at the special olympics.

Both guys have always been grossly overrated defenders (Bean was a solid shut down defender during the 3-peat era I'll admit). But they've taken terrible defense to never before seen lows.

Tbf 2008-2010 Lebron was better defensively that any version of Kobe. Most of sensible Laker supporting friends openly admit that and accept it. There's not much of a discussion there. James was arguably the second next defender on the planet behind Dwight.

[heyhey]

Surprising? Yes, a bit. But all I'm seeing here is guys arguing about who should win the gold medal at the special olympics.

Both guys have always been grossly overrated defenders (Bean was a solid shut down defender during the 3-peat era I'll admit). But they've taken terrible defense to never before seen lows.

:roll: dondadda actin like hes not devastated that prime bran BARELY outperforming 36 year old Kobe with ruptured achilles

[Jlamb47]

Wow i see Lebron stans getting salty AF. Trying to make a Kobe diss thread when a PRIME LEBRON is just as bad as 36 yo post injury Kobe on defense.

[chazzy]

And no one is saying LeBron is playing well yet people legitimately think Kobe is.
Who the hell thinks Kobe is playing good defense? Find me one post. The only thing you proved is that the Laker offense is better with Kobe on than without, which goes against the notion of your "family" that he's sabotaging it.

[riseagainst]

Are you on drugs? Read you're post again. Smh :biggums:

your*. Fix your language problems before talking to the adults.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Who the hell thinks Kobe is playing good defense? Find me one post
Well by that standard find me one showing somebody saying LeBron is? Yet you posted his defensive stats.

Fact is, Laker fans are acting like Kobe has been a net positive this year when he really hasn't.

[Mr Feeny]

Wow i see Lebron stans getting salty AF. Trying to make a Kobe diss thread when a PRIME LEBRON is just as bad as 36 yo post injury Kobe on defense.

-128:lol

[DonDadda59]

:roll: dondadda actin like hes not devastated that prime bran BARELY outperforming 36 year old Kobe with ruptured achilles

I must've missed the memo about me starting to give a f*ck about a LeBron James.

But please, keep arguing over who has been better- an older, balder, more selfish version of Swaggy P or the artist formerly known as the best player on Earth. :applause:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well his team sucks, theres nothing much he can do.

[Blue&Orange]

so the Lakers suffer less points against the other teams bench? amazing stuff. someone should give OP a Nobel prize!

[buddha]

I've never seen such a negative defensive impact from one player. It's unreal. With him on the court, there's a marginal difference in their offense. With him off the court, they're a great defensive squad but when he's in... they're the worst defense of all time :eek:

lol @ people thinking Kobe guards 1-5 when he is on the court and teams still play their starters when he is off the court.

[La Frescobaldi]

Bryant is only on a court to pass Jordan's all-time scoring numbers.

Has nothing to do with winning, or anything else but passing Jordan's all-time scoring numbers.

That is all.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Well his team sucks, theres nothing much he can do.
This stat is literally comparing him against his team. So if his team sucks it's even more embarrassing.

[TheBigVeto]

0-5

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