Here are the things Jordan are #1 all time at

[Derivative]

Significant #1 accomplishments:

#1 all time final MVPs: 6

#1 all-time regular season scoring leader: 30.1 ppg

#1 all-time playoff scoring leader: 33.3 ppg

#1 all time regular season PER: 27.91

#1 all time playoff PER: 28.60

#1 all time regular season WS/48: 0.2505

#1 all time playoff WS/48: 0.2553

#1 all time MVP award shares: 8.138

#1 alltime regular season scoring titles: 10

#1 alltime playoff scoring titles: 10


Trivial #1 Accomplishments:

#1 alltime all-defensive first teams: 9

#1 alltime career playoff points: 5,987

#1 alltime playoff points in a game: 63

#1 alltime career regular season 30-point games: 562

#1 alltime career playoff 30-point games: 109

#1 alltime career playoff 40-point games: 38

#1 alltime career playoff 50-point games: 8

#1 alltime scoring average in a finals series: 41.0



Also notice how Jordan improves all his stats in the playoffs?







GOAT.

[stalkerforlife]

#1 all time final MVPs: 6

#1 all-time regular season scoring leader: 30.1 ppg

#1 all-time playoff scoring leader: 33.3 ppg

#1 all time regular season PER: 27.91

#1 all time playoff PER: 28.60

#1 all time regular season WS/48: 0.2505

#1 all time playoff WS/48: 0.2553

#1 all time MVP award shares: 8.138



Also notice how Jordan improves all his stats in the playoffs?







GOAT.

No shit.

You really know how to break news.

[dubeta]

In many of those same criterias LeBron is top 3

So is LeBron already a top 3 GOAT?

[Prometheus]

#1 all time in scoring titles, in both the regular season and playoffs.

[Prometheus]

In many of those same criterias LeBron is top 3

So is LeBron already a top 3 GOAT?

"Criteria" is already a plural term. Your mastery of the English language is rivaled by your basketball I.Q.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

#1 at being the best player ever aside from LeBron James

[dubeta]

"Criteria" is already a plural term. Your mastery of the English language is rivaled by your basketball I.Q.

Apparently an additional 's' is enough to take your attention off the question I posed

[ballinhun8]

In many of those same criterias LeBron is top 3

So is LeBron already a top 3 GOAT?


You are a moron aren't you??


How can he be a top 3 GOAT when the word GOAT is singular???


Go to school fucc boy

[Micku]

Just post this bro:
http://23mjordan.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/13644425/1347558322.jpg

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You are a moron aren't you??


How can he be a top 3 GOAT when the word GOAT is singular???


Go to school fucc boy

How can he not?

It means top 3 greatest of all time. There is nothing grammatically incorrect with that.

[Dro]

You are a moron aren't you??


How can he be a top 3 GOAT when the word GOAT is singular???


Go to school fucc boy
:lol

[dubeta]

Henry Abbott is consuming this thread :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Henry Abbott is consuming this thread :lol

:cheers:

Whenever I enter a thread I quickly skim it to see how many Abbott faces i see. It's the best way to tell if there is intelligent/objective basketball talk going on.

[ballinhun8]

:cheers:

Whenever I enter a thread I quickly skim it to see how many Abbott faces i see. It's the best way to tell if there is intelligent/objective basketball talk going on.


The more abbot's, the more idiots.


I see what you're saying cracka

[Prometheus]

Whenever I enter a thread I quickly skim it to see how many Abbott faces i see. It's the best way to tell if there is intelligent/objective basketball talk going on.

Thanks to ambiguity, I can say that I agree with every word of this.

[ballinhun8]

Just post this bro:
http://23mjordan.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/13644425/1347558322.jpg


Is there anyone in the league with just half that hardware??


GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SouBeachTalents]

Is there anyone in the league with just half that hardware??


GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Russell would have surpassed that had Finals MVP's and DPOY's been given out in his day

[ArbitraryWater]

You are a moron aren't you??


How can he be a top 3 GOAT when the word GOAT is singular???


Go to school fucc boy

:facepalm

That's the way you use it, dummie...

Example: Russell is a GOAT tier player..............

[sportjames23]

#1 all time final MVPs: 6

#1 all-time regular season scoring leader: 30.1 ppg

#1 all-time playoff scoring leader: 33.3 ppg

#1 all time regular season PER: 27.91

#1 all time playoff PER: 28.60

#1 all time regular season WS/48: 0.2505

#1 all time playoff WS/48: 0.2553

#1 all time MVP award shares: 8.138



Also notice how Jordan improves all his stats in the playoffs?







GOAT.


:bowdown: :rockon: :banana: :cheers: :pimp:

[ballinhun8]

:facepalm

That's the way you use it, dummie...

Example: Russell is a GOAT tier player..............


Okay but now you just made it into a category by adding the word "tier".


Top 3 GOAT is wrong to say. But I would expect you to back up a troll like OP.

[IncarceratedBob]

Is LeBron a top 3 greatest of all time?

Awful english.

[ArbitraryWater]

Okay but now you just made it into a category by adding the word "tier".


Top 3 GOAT is wrong to say. But I would expect you to back up a troll like OP.

Ugh, you really haven't seen people say "He's a top 10 GOAT" ?

You just wanna argue

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Okay but now you just made it into a category by adding the word "tier".


Top 3 GOAT is wrong to say. But I would expect you to back up a troll like OP.
No it isn't.

"Top 3 greatest of all time." There is nothing wrong with that sentence.

[dubeta]

No it isn't.

"Top 3 greatest of all time." There is nothing wrong with that sentence.

:cheers:

[ballinhun8]

No it isn't.

"Top 3 greatest of all time." There is nothing wrong with that sentence.



No. You would say "they are three of the greatest players of all time.


Greatest of All Time means one person.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#1 alltime all-defensive first teams: 9

#1 alltime regular season scoring titles: 10

#1 alltime playoff scoring titles: 10

#1 alltime career playoff points: 5,987

#1 alltime playoff points in a game: 63

#1 alltime career regular season 30-point games: 562

#1 alltime career playoff 30-point games: 109

#1 alltime career playoff 40-point games: 38

#1 alltime career playoff 50-point games: 8

#1 alltime scoring average in a finals series: 41.0

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

#1 All time in selling parents to the Russians

[ihoopallday]

In many of those same criterias LeBron is top 3

So is LeBron already a top 3 GOAT?

Is this true? Too lazy to research. If so, very impressive. Could see KD up there one day, barring injuries.

[ballinhun8]

#1 All time in selling parents to the Russians



**pedo alert**


**pedo alert**


**pedo alert**

[AirFederer]

GOAT has a tip for y`all

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3w7beMIXb1r7nl81o1_500.jpg

[kurple]

was roundmound always this shitty a poster?

[Psileas]

No. You would say "they are three of the greatest players of all time.


Greatest of All Time means one person.


Going by this, there's no reason why this person has to be an athlete/player.

GOAT = Singular
3 GOAT = Plural. "3 greatest of all time". What can't you get?

And, like someone else mentioned, Bill Russell. Also, Kareem, since the image was confident enough to list Jordan's pre-NBA accolades.

[kshutts1]

Significant #1 accomplishments:

#1 all time final MVPs: 6

#1 all-time regular season scoring leader: 30.1 ppg

#1 all-time playoff scoring leader: 33.3 ppg

#1 all time regular season PER: 27.91

#1 all time playoff PER: 28.60

#1 all time regular season WS/48: 0.2505

#1 all time playoff WS/48: 0.2553

#1 all time MVP award shares: 8.138

#1 alltime regular season scoring titles: 10

#1 alltime playoff scoring titles: 10


Trivial #1 Accomplishments:

#1 alltime all-defensive first teams: 9

#1 alltime career playoff points: 5,987

#1 alltime playoff points in a game: 63

#1 alltime career regular season 30-point games: 562

#1 alltime career playoff 30-point games: 109

#1 alltime career playoff 40-point games: 38

#1 alltime career playoff 50-point games: 8

#1 alltime scoring average in a finals series: 41.0



Also notice how Jordan improves all his stats in the playoffs?







GOAT.
Didn't read the whole post thoroughly. But the bolded are all basically the same thing. If a player lead the league in scoring 10 times, odds are he'll have highest career. If a player is best scorer in RS, odds are he'll be the best in the post season.

Along the same lines, I don't like duplication of RS and PO. More often than not, stats will be incredibly similar. Until someone does a breakdown, showing how most great players fall well short of their RS marks in any category, I'll maintain that belief.

[Psileas]

You gotta love how the categories where Jordan isn't the best in both regular season and playoffs are called "trivial", playoff 30, 40, 50 pointers are called "trivial", while, at the same time, scoring titles are called "important", made-up stats like PER are called "important" and MVP win shares, which absolutely cannot translate the same through all eras are also called "important". Let me guess: Regular season MVP's belong to the "trivial" category. :lol

[IncarceratedBob]

I dont think it's fair to lump in MJ with WC. Seeing as nobody alive today saw WC play and there's nothing left to prove that he actually did what he did. There can be a modern era GOAT, which is MJ and a pre-modern era GOAT which can be WC. Similar to baseball where the dead ball era exists.

[riseagainst]

No it isn't.

"Top 3 greatest of all time." There is nothing wrong with that sentence.

there is something wrong with that sentence. Change 3 to 15 or maybe 10.

[3ball]

wilt or jordan is the goat imo.

put wilt with decent coaching and in any era, and he would dominate and reel off rings.

in today's game for example, what does anthony davis do, that a prime wilt wouldn't do three-fold?

[fpliii]

wilt or jordan is the goat imo.

put wilt with decent coaching and in any era, and he would dominate and reel off rings.

in today's game for example, what does anthony davis do, that a prime wilt wouldn't do three-fold?
Why does Wilt have a better case than Russell or Kareem in your opinion?

Not that I have a problem with your stance. Didn't get to watch any of the 4 at their peaks (started watching in 92-93), so all I can do is try and go back and watch as much tape as possible.

[3ball]

Why does Wilt have a better case than Russell or Kareem in your opinion?

Not that I have a problem with your stance. Didn't get to watch any of the 4 at their peaks (started watching in 92-93), so all I can do is try and go back and watch as much tape as possible.
wilt didn't accumulate rings like those guys specifically because he had to deal with an 8-team league, where one of those teams was a literal dream team (7 HOF's) that held a monopoly on rings - wilt had to play the greatest team of all time (those celtics won 8 rings in a row).

when kareem came into the league, those celtics were long gone, and the league's talent was more diluted by more teams - each team was weaker on average than each team in the 8-team league had been, which enabled a player of kareem or wilt's stature to have a greater impact.

it's easy to underestimate how tough an 8-team league is.

imagine if today's NBA was made of the top 8 teams - For example, let's just say San Antonio, OKC, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Portland, Memphis, and Clippers.... that's it... and one of those teams - let's say OKC - had 7 HOF's on the team... it doesn't matter who you are, your ring total will be suppressed under this environment.... imagine having to play a 7 HOF, Thunder team 15 times per regular season..

[G0ATbe]

and yet not #1 all time. it's a good thing he played in a weak era and retired before Kobe reached his peak, otherwise he'd be completely exposed as a homeless mans Kobe, if not already.

[pauk]

In many of those same criterias LeBron is top 3

So is LeBron already a top 3 GOAT?

In terms of individual overall ability to actualy play ball (talent/skill/production/domination etc.) YES........

In terms of accolades (rings/fmvps/mvps), NO.... which is not something any of these categories OP mentioned talks about....

[pauk]

and yet not #1 all time. it's a good thing he played in a weak era and retired before Kobe reached his peak, otherwise he'd be completely exposed as a homeless mans Kobe, if not already.

:coleman:

[3ball]

In terms of talent/skill/production/domination, YES (Lebron is top 3 OAT)..

In terms of accolades (rings/fmvps/mvps), NO....


he is isn't top 3 in the bolded areas....

kareem, jordan, bird, magic and many others had more skill, while wilt, jordan, shaq and others dominated more.

[fpliii]

wilt didn't accumulate rings like those guys specifically because he had to deal with an 8-team league, where one of those teams was a literal dream team (7 HOF's) that held a monopoly on rings - wilt had to play the greatest team of all time (those celtics won 8 rings in a row).

when kareem came into the league, those celtics were long gone, and the league's talent was more diluted by more teams - each team was weaker on average than each team in the 8-team league had been, which enabled a player of kareem or wilt's stature to have a greater impact.

it's easy to underestimate how tough an 8-team league is.

imagine if today's NBA was made of the top 8 teams - For example, let's just say San Antonio, OKC, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Portland, Memphis, and Clippers.... that's it... and one of those teams - let's say OKC - had 7 HOF's on the team... it doesn't matter who you are, your ring total will be suppressed under this environment.... imagine having to play a 7 HOF, Thunder team 15 times per regular season..
My thoughts on each:

Russell - Thing is, he had a quality supporting cast, but I don't think it was as good as one would think based on 7 HOFers. How many were dominant defensive players? His teams were always best in the league by a long shot in DRtg (and were shit before and after), and mediocre to poor in ORtg. His teams were better than Wilt's, but Wilt had better squads while with the Sixers and Lakers than Russ did at the same time.

Kareem - In terms of physical talent, he looks like a beast. Most of the tape I've seen on him is during the 80s Lakers dynasty. But he was an absolute monster during the 70s. Maybe the GOAT offensive skillset for a bigman during the second half of the decade, and maybe the most mobile legitimate 7 footer during the first half (tremendous on the defensive end during this period). Most people making cases for him as an all-time great point to his longevity, but I think he had a legitimately dominant peak.

I'm trying to watch all of the tape of him in his prime (70-80). Crazy how good he looks.

[riseagainst]

In terms of individual overall ability to actualy play ball (talent/skill/production/domination etc.) YES........

In terms of accolades (rings/fmvps/mvps), NO.... which is not something any of these categories OP mentioned talks about....

in terms of skills/talent/production/dominance

i would say he is a top 3 talent all time, and top 3 production all time (the raw stats and advanced stats do show).
But skills and dominance wise he isnt top 10. Especially skills, where he's probably about top 30 all time.

So overall, when you combine all those things with the rings and accolades, he's hovering around top 13. Maybe 10.

[ILLsmak]

No. You would say "they are three of the greatest players of all time.


Greatest of All Time means one person.

You can't say the greatest players of all time? No doubt, some stuff people say is off the wall, when it comes to grammar, but in a way you can look at a sentence like a formula with no variables (yet.) Imagine diagramming a sentence.

You can assume a lot. Most people believe you can only have something like "you" assumed, but I think you can take it much further.

Not to mention, sometimes a word or abbreviation changes. GOAT has becoming synonymous with great or greatness. Saying top three greatest is not wrong, but tacking on of all time may have been what confused you. Just assume it is "greatest."

GOAT is a singular thing, true, but people can say he's on the GOAT list. He is GOAT tier. When people say he's GOAT of all time then that's stupid.

GOAT gonna GOAT. GOATing. All of those wouldn't fit, but they work because we know. No excess, nothing is wrong, nothing is misunderstood. That's what we should all aim for when making a sentence.

Edit: I really think the issue is that in school they say great, greater, greatest... and most people say only one can be greatest. However, we know many can especially when comparing cross-era. Greatest x of all time... candy bars, movie stars, days... etc.

-Smak

[ballinhun8]

You can't say the greatest players of all time? No doubt, some stuff people say is off the wall, when it comes to grammar, but in a way you can look at a sentence like a formula with no variables (yet.) Imagine diagramming a sentence.

You can assume a lot. Most people believe you can only have something like "you" assumed, but I think you can take it much further.

Not to mention, sometimes a word or abbreviation changes. GOAT has becoming synonymous with great or greatness. Saying top three greatest is not wrong, but tacking on of all time may have been what confused you. Just assume it is "greatest."

GOAT is a singular thing, true, but people can say he's on the GOAT list. He is GOAT tier. When people say he's GOAT of all time then that's stupid.

GOAT gonna GOAT. GOATing. All of those wouldn't fit, but they work because we know. No excess, nothing is wrong, nothing is misunderstood. That's what we should all aim for when making a sentence.

Edit: I really think the issue is that in school they say great, greater, greatest... and most people say only one can be greatest. However, we know many can especially when comparing cross-era. Greatest x of all time... candy bars, movie stars, days... etc.

-Smak


This is what I was trying to say bro LOL.

I get what you mean in everything tho. I was implying that you would have to include the word "tier" or "category" to say what the original poster said about the word goat.

[Psileas]

Russell - Thing is, he had a quality supporting cast, but I don't think it was as good as one would think based on 7 HOFers. How many were dominant defensive players? His teams were always best in the league by a long shot in DRtg (and were shit before and after), and mediocre to poor in ORtg. His teams were better than Wilt's, but Wilt had better squads while with the Sixers and Lakers than Russ did at the same time.

Given the health situations in the playoffs and that a squad also includes the coach, I'll say the Sixers were really better on paper than the Celtics only in the season they actually beat them, 1967.