Dion Waiters plans on skipping nation anthems due to religion

[SugarHill]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/11/dion_waiters_informs_neomg_tha.html

#notallwaiters

[sportjames23]

This will go over well.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Long ago there was a Nuggets guard who did something similar. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf i think war his name.

[masonanddixon]

lol this guy is garbage and will be out of the league in a year.

[lilteapot]

Long ago there was a Nuggets guard who did something similar. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf i think war his name.
And he got blackballed by the league because of it

[SugarHill]

Long ago there was a Nuggets guard who did something similar. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf i think war his name.
fix the title if possible

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gNQ-Pvpy0MM/TXeOn5tc79I/AAAAAAAAAhE/VvhEDFrsA80/s1600/72342202_display_image.jpg

[ProfessorMurder]

Long ago there was a Nuggets guard who did something similar. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf i think war his name.

Yes Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf aka Chris Jackson.

Dude was an insane shooter. He had Tourette's Syndrome and shot ludicrous amounts of free throws and things because he was seeking perfection. He had the single season FT% record until Calderon took it.

He played pro in Japan only two years ago.

He was totally f*cked over because of sitting out during the anthem. Horseshit.

[AKADS]

I respect him more for this. Church and state are suppose to separate yet both Canadian and American anthems both have Christian propaganda in them.

[chocolatethunder]

Yes Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf aka Chris Jackson.

Dude was an insane shooter. He had Tourette's Syndrome and shot ludicrous amounts of free throws and things because he was seeking perfection.

He played pro in Japan only two years ago.

He was totally f*cked over because of sitting out during the anthem. Horseshit.
Do you remember him getting traded from Denver and then being hurt a whole year after that Probably not because you were in diapers. I loved him as a player and he was a nice guy but he was stupid and did plenty to hurt his cause and then screamed poor me at every chance he could get.

[ralph_i_el]

I respect him more for this. Church and state are suppose to separate yet both Canadian and American anthems both have Christian propaganda in them.
Its a song about a flag and a battle. Literally nothing about any religion in it.

[Magic 32]

Nationalism vs religion.

Hard too know which to care less about.

[AKADS]

Its a song about a flag and a battle. Literally nothing about any religion in it.
In God is our trust.

[bdreason]

Who cares what this borderline D-League player does or doesn't do.

[ProfessorMurder]

Do you remember him getting traded from Denver and then being hurt a whole year after that Probably not because you were in diapers. I loved him as a player and he was a nice guy but he was stupid and did plenty to hurt his cause and then screamed poor me at every chance he could get.

Come on man, he got so much shit for the anthem stuff. Arguably the reason his shoe contract wasn't extended, he was suspended a game, Stern had to make a ruling on it, crazy press fascination, and he fasted in Ramadan and got shit for it.

And it was his second year after being traded when he was hurt.

[SugarHill]

Who cares what this borderline D-League player does or doesn't do.
He's as good as Beal, at worst

[SupermanOnSteroids]

what does the national anthem have to do with religion? there's no mention of Christianity in it. why does being muslim mean that you can't participate in the singing of american national anthem? last i heard, america is a secular state.

patriotism vs religiousness. think about it. do all muslims hate america?

[chocolatethunder]

Come on man, he got so much shit for the anthem stuff. Arguably the reason his shoe contract wasn't extended, he was suspended a game, Stern had to make a ruling on it, crazy press fascination, and he fasted in Ramadan and got shit for it.

And it was his second year after being traded when he was hurt.
He did get shit for it for sure, which I said and he also did literally nothing to help himself. Ok I'm going off my memory of what happened not some sensationalized documentary. So that's even better that it was his second year after being traded that he got hurt. He was declining but still came back in the league after Sacto. It's not so much being blackballed as it is that he's more of a headache than what he's worth. Like Iverson at the end of his career or JR Rider and people like that. Blackballed is too strong a word. It's like this, the headache they cause is greater than the good they'll do a team. There's not really anything more to it but it makes a cool headline to say otherwise.

[sportjames23]

Long ago there was a Nuggets guard who did something similar. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf i think war his name.

First thing I thought about. I remember the furor over that.

[bdreason]

He's as good as Beal, at worst


Waiters is garbage. Can't shoot. Can't finish at the rim. Below average defender. His ceiling is an NBA role player.

[zoom17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew9G-qYP8Uo

The first lady is so dumb:facepalm

[Smook A.]

Waiters is garbage. Can't shoot. Can't finish at the rim. Below average defender. His ceiling is an NBA role player.
:kobe:

[josh99]

Didn't a similar thing happen to Josh Howard from the Mavs? If I remember correctly he was playing quite well and then refused to stand up to the national anthem (I think his excuse was that he was black?), everyone hated him, and then he dropped off completely.

[bdreason]

:kobe:



7/1/1 on 32/66% so far this season. Give me 30 minutes and I'll post that stat line.

[pauk]

Cool, didnt know he was muslim.

Here is the deal guys. Praising your country, someone or something per se is not haraam in Islam. But making a ritual out of it for anything or anyone other than God can make it shirk for some muslims. "Ritual praise" is praise that is done either at particular times or particular occasions (for muslims its ONLY when praying) and if it feels like a ritual praise then most religious muslims feel like it should be aimed only towards God, nobody else...

Love for one's country is completely normal & not "haraam" in Islam at all, however restricting it to singing a particular song or anthem to show one's love is not correct either....

Not a big deal really.

[masonanddixon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew9G-qYP8Uo

The first lady is so dumb:facepalm

lol the guy with the shroom prints t shirt looks like hes tripping out

America was so much better back then

[Marchesk]

I don't understand the need to play the national anthem before every game. It's a sporting event, not a congressional session. As for being religious, it does have the "one Nation under God" part, which for non-theists is exclusionary.

[Smook A.]

7/1/1 on 32/66% so far this season. Give me 30 minutes and I'll post that stat line.
Tonight vs the Nuggets, Waiters posted 17/2/1/2 on 43% in just 24 minutes of action. Pretty impressive. I mean c'mon, in just his 2nd season he was averaging 16/3/3 on 43% in 30 min. For a 2nd year player that's actually really good. When Kyrie was out, Dion was the one who stepped up. Calling him a "borderline D-League player" is going overboard. I think the reason why he started this season off badly was because he's still adjusting to the things around him. He's got new teammates, and a new coach. Give him some time and he'll be putting up somthing like 14-15/2/2 on a nightly basis. Dion has had his share of moments... good and bad. He's a young dude who has shown flashes. Honestly, I can see Dion putting up 18-20 ppg in his prime.

[bdreason]

Tonight vs the Nuggets, Waiters posted 17/2/1/2 on 43% in just 24 minutes of action. Pretty impressive. I mean c'mon, in just his 2nd season he was averaging 16/3/3 on 43% in 30 min. For a 2nd year player that's actually really good. When Kyrie was out, Dion was the one who stepped up. Calling him a "borderline D-League player" is going overboard. I think the reason why he started this season off badly was because he's still adjusting to the things around him. He's got new teammates, and a new coach. Give him some time and he'll be putting up somthing like 14-15/2/2 on a nightly basis. Dion has had his share of moments... good and bad. He's a young dude who has shown flashes. Honestly, I can see Dion putting up 18-20 ppg in his prime.


Because the coach finally got wise and brought him off the bench to play against other bench players. He's still young, but I don't see the potential. I see a guy with limited ability and a bad attitude. That's a dangerous combination.

[dunksby]

The article also says that he attended the ceremony tonight, so I guess he has changed his mind.

The guard, however, did stand with his team during tonight's national anthem.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Since when is Waiters muslim :wtf:

[NumberSix]

Can they just stop with national anthems at sports games altogether? Why do they even do this anyway? Makes about as much sense as reciting the pledge of allegience before every movie at the theatres would. It's a completely arbitrary custom.

[Lebron23]

He needs to change his name ala Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

[Nash]

Didn't know he was muslim.
Same thing with Kenneth Faried who is muslim and has a muslim lesbian mother. Very confusing.

Anyway, must be weird for Dion when Lebron starts taking verses from the bible in the huddle pre-game.

[sdot_thadon]

Do you remember him getting traded from Denver and then being hurt a whole year after that Probably not because you were in diapers. I loved him as a player and he was a nice guy but he was stupid and did plenty to hurt his cause and then screamed poor me at every chance he could get.
Yeah, was one of my favorite role players to watch. One of those timebomb guys that could go off for 30 at anytime, then have a typical role player game the next lol.

[UK2K]

Does it hurt that much to stand there for 90 seconds?

Im not religious but I think the pledge should still contain 'under God' because, WGAF just say the word, or don't say it, and go on with your life.

After all, he kind of does owe the US everything hes ever accumulated in life :facepalm

[ILLsmak]

Yes Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf aka Chris Jackson.

Dude was an insane shooter. He had Tourette's Syndrome and shot ludicrous amounts of free throws and things because he was seeking perfection. He had the single season FT% record until Calderon took it.

He played pro in Japan only two years ago.

He was totally f*cked over because of sitting out during the anthem. Horseshit.

He could get shots like few ppl could. He's not curry but that's kind of how deadly I saw him as, just a quick release. I don't know if that was the only reason, tho. People with extreme ideas are not welcome in nba. He wasnt good enough to have a cause, like old iverson.

-Smak

[RidonKs]

Can they just stop with national anthems at sports games altogether? Why do they even do this anyway? Makes about as much sense as reciting the pledge of allegience before every movie at the theatres would. It's a completely arbitrary custom.
:lol

the reason the national anthem is recited before a sporting event is to confer some sort of meaning or importance onto a competition watched by millions that literally has no effect on the real world and is, apart from the entertainment aspect, a complete and utter waste of time.

why anybody would feel the need to make sports seem more important than they really are is an entirely different and more complicated question.

[PsychoBe]

:lol

the reason the national anthem is recited before a sporting event is to confer some sort of meaning or importance onto a competition watched by millions that literally has no effect on the real world and is, apart from the entertainment aspect, a complete and utter waste of time.

why anybody would feel the need to make sports seem more important than they really are is an entirely different and more complicated question.

it's so that everyone can understand and appreciate that the nation and its people has made sacrifices so that you can have the luxury to watch the game, and for the players to even be there to perform. that's why sometimes they like to bring vets out during moments like these and honor them.

[DukeDelonte13]

Because the coach finally got wise and brought him off the bench to play against other bench players. He's still young, but I don't see the potential. I see a guy with limited ability and a bad attitude. That's a dangerous combination.


what a stupid and asinine post.

[DukeDelonte13]

Dionwaiters3 ‏@dionwaiters3 7m7 minutes ago
I'm not here to entertain nobody but come on now I'm always out there for the national anthem if they gone write BS make sure it's correct.

[IncarceratedBob]

Pauks a freaking ******

[Xsatyr]

Does it hurt that much to stand there for 90 seconds?

Im not religious but I think the pledge should still contain 'under God' because, WGAF just say the word, or don't say it, and go on with your life.

After all, he kind of does owe the US everything hes ever accumulated in life :facepalm

First of all freedom of religion is what this country is about. The idea of establishing a religion for this country is prohibited so any usage of God should not be allowed. That's exactly why students do not have to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Secondly, the "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance over 50 years after it was written. It's unconstitutional but religious nuts are constantly trying to force religion down people's mouths.

So saying he should participate in anything God related because he owes it to the US is completely un-American.

[HomieWeMajor]

I heard Waiters was trying to sell bean pies to his teammates during the preseason.

[FireDavidKahn]

Because waiters didn't recite it for the last two years:rolleyes: he is Just using this as an attention grabber

[thefatmiral]

he needs to be investigated by an undercover nba agent

[Qwyjibo]

I don't understand the need to play the national anthem before every game. It's a sporting event, not a congressional session. As for being religious, it does have the "one Nation under God" part, which for non-theists is exclusionary.
I agree. National anthems have no place in pro sports played by players from all over the world. I like how European Soccer does it. I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that they only do it for tournament finals and other important games.

[Kblaze8855]

what a stupid and asinine post.


Eh. Hes a 15/3/3 42% player through 2 years and a few games. Hes a poor Ft shooter..not the best decision maker....hes been off the bench much of his career...and hes coming off the bench now. Hes 23. Hes not gonna be his teams best player barring injury...till hes 28 or 29. At which point he should be the cavs #2....maybe. Hes likely never gonna be...the guy. And he shouldnt be the other guy either. He should be...the 6th man.

Hes a classic 6th man. Hes a 6th man prototype. Score first combo guard. Hes like most 6'2''-6'4'' muscular no point guard instinct good but not great scorers. A 6th man specialist.

Hes Ben Gordon...Vinnie Johnson...Bobby Jackson plus a couple inches...Dell Curry...John Starks or Ricky Pierce if hes lucky.

What has he done to suggest he isnt that kinda player? A good scorer you bring off the bench? His own teammates seem to think so....



"For the best of the team, that should be Dion's role," James said. "Dion comes off the bench and brings us that scoring mentality but more than that, he brings us another defender off the bench, which we need. Someone that's tough, someone that can guard one through three. It's a new role, but it's a good role for him."

Seems his coach thinks that may be the best use of him.


A few of those guys turn into Andrew Toney or Dennis Johnson types but it isnt normal.

You can still sneak into an all star game or two as one of those guys.

[Stempel, HERB]

Eh.

This is why it was a stupid post. From this very thread:


Waiters is garbage. Can't shoot. Can't finish at the rim. Below average defender. His ceiling is an NBA role player.
Who cares what this borderline D-League player does or doesn't do.

Neither of these statements are in alignment with being a 6th man on a championship contending club.

[Dro]

He can do what he wants to do.....Makes no difference to me, even if it weren't for religious reasons......This country infringes on our constitutional rights all the time so I really don't care if a player refuses to sing the national anthem.....Half of its a lie anyway......

[tomtucker]

shitty player on a shitty team...........:applause:

[Rameek]

Actually the pledge of allegiance would be something to boycott not the national anthem. If someone wants to make a public statement in a public forum although misguided you would use the national anthem to send a message.

[chocolatethunder]

Can they just stop with national anthems at sports games altogether? Why do they even do this anyway? Makes about as much sense as reciting the pledge of allegience before every movie at the theatres would. It's a completely arbitrary custom.
I agree with this 100%

[waseem780]

This is fake , Waiters posted on twitter saying its BS rumors

[Hey Yo]

Dionwaiters3 ✔ @dionwaiters3
I'm not here to entertain nobody but come on now I'm always out there for the national anthem if they gone write BS make sure it's correct.

Lol I wasn't going to even say anything about the situation but whoever made that up about me & the national anthem is a damn lie....

I can't believe yall believe everything yall hear smh I guess ppl listen to anything now a days!!! I love everything about America!!!!!!!

^^^^ 3 recent tweets by Waiters

[Bosnian Sajo]

Didn't know he was muslim.
Same thing with Kenneth Faried who is muslim and has a muslim lesbian mother. Very confusing.

Anyway, must be weird for Dion when Lebron starts taking verses from the bible in the huddle pre-game.

I remember reading about that, but the thing is, that is impossible. You can't be lesbian AND muslim, it's one or the other.

[chocolatethunder]

I remember reading about that, but the thing is, that is impossible. You can't be lesbian AND muslim, it's one or the other.
Well, no. You can be raised Muslim and have Muslim beliefs and be a lesbian. You will probably struggle with your faith and your identity but you're still a lesbian and a Muslim. Just because something you are or you do conflicts with your faith it doesn't mean you aren't of that faith.

[navy]

I remember reading about that, but the thing is, that is impossible. You can't be lesbian AND muslim, it's one or the other.
False. People ignore their religious teachings to match their lifestyles all the time.

It would be silly to assume that there are no gay muslims. Im sure most of them just keep it in the closet.

[Ass Dan]

America's team :roll: :roll: :roll:

this won't sit well, Bran Suace has to be simmering over this, had he known, Dion would be kickin it in Minnesota with Prince and Kirby Puckett.

bad for the Bran Brand, bad for the league, bad for the Cavs, Cleveland always finds a way to be Cleveland.

[Ass Dan]

America's team :roll: :roll: :roll:

this won't sit well, Bran Suace has to be simmering over this, had he known, Dion would be kickin it in Minnesota with Prince and Kirby Puckett.

bad for the Bran Brand, bad for the league, bad for the Cavs, Cleveland always finds a way to be Cleveland.

I got my popcorn ready

[Inactive]

Well, no. You can be raised Muslim and have Muslim beliefs and be a lesbian. You will probably struggle with your faith and your identity but you're still a lesbian and a Muslim. Just because something you are or you do conflicts with your faith it doesn't mean you aren't of that faith.Yeah. I'm pretty sure both Faried, and Waiters drink alcohol, dance to music, have tattoos, and do any number of other things which are supposed to be prohibited in Islam. Just like most Christians, and most Jews.

[SugarHill]

Didn't know he was muslim.
Same thing with Kenneth Faried who is muslim and has a muslim lesbian mother. Very confusing.

Anyway, must be weird for Dion when Lebron starts taking verses from the bible in the huddle pre-game.
Is that even possible?

[Real Men Wear Green]

So Waiters is denying it, which to me makes this story much more interesting. A wise journalist records interviews. Do they have him on tape?

[RedBlackAttack]

So Waiters is denying it, which to me makes this story much more interesting. A wise journalist records interviews. Do they have him on tape?
Does it even matter? If he stands/honors the National Anthem, where's the story here? The whole meat of the thing was how awkward the National Anthems were going to be with Waiters presumably exiting. Without that, there's no "there" there.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Does it even matter? If he stands/honors the National Anthem, where's the story here? The whole meat of the thing was how awkward the National Anthems were going to be with Waiters presumably exiting. Without that, there's no "there" there.
It's a question of "who's lying?" It's not that important but nothing in sports is particularly important.

[ClutchOver9000]

Ridiculous.

Never liked him in the first place.

[NattyPButter]

Ridiculous.

Never liked him in the first place.

don't think he cares if you don't like him anyways.

[Dresta]

Does it even matter? If he stands/honors the National Anthem, where's the story here? The whole meat of the thing was how awkward the National Anthems were going to be with Waiters presumably exiting. Without that, there's no "there" there.
Of course it matters. It's the difference between Waiters being an attention grabbing idiot or just being the unfortunate victim of a vindictive reporter. Even foreign guys don't whine about standing for the anthem - it's just a part of their jobs. I've never had control of the sound system at any of my employers either; anyone who makes a big deal about things like this needs to get a grip. Paid millions and can't stand with your team for the anthem? That's real cuntish.

[dunksby]

Is that even possible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpxsmvb7bNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPUEeyRbaQ

[ralph_i_el]

I don't understand the need to play the national anthem before every game. It's a sporting event, not a congressional session. As for being religious, it does have the "one Nation under God" part, which for non-theists is exclusionary.
You're thinking of the pledge of allegiance

[ralph_i_el]

In God is our trust.
Is that in the Canadian anthem?
Because the star spangled banner might say "god" somewhere but definetly not in the verse that's sung at sporting events