What's so good about Wiggins?

[nba_55]

Yeah, he's athletic, but he is not a good shooter, ball handler, scorer, post player. When looking at him, I just see another Deng, Igoudala, Batum type of player. What is all the hype about?

[PleezeBelieve]

90% of his bandwagon fans tell back over the past 6 months or so. They will now accuse you of trolling by stating the obvious now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

His athleticism is what's "so good." Just don't expect him to dominate for a few years (if at all). It's true that he needs to work on the complete package of skills if he's ever going to be a great player. He may or may not get there. The "problem" is that he's as raw as a 19 year-old (or whatever) normally would be. It doesn't mean he'll never be any good, just that he's not the sure thing KD, Melo, or James was.

[nba_55]

His athleticism is what's "so good." Just don't expect him to dominate for a few years (if at all). It's true that he needs to work on the complete package of skills if he's ever going to be a great player. He may or may not get there. The "problem" is that he's as raw as a 19 year-old (or whatever) normally would be. It doesn't mean he'll never be any good, just that he's not the sure thing KD, Melo, or James was.

Really? Which other 19 years old star was as raw as Wiggins?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hes the same type of prospect Paul George was
i cant believe nikkas was sayin he could be the next TMac:facepalm :facepalm

[Budadiiii]

He's good looking and marketable.

What more do you want?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Really? Which other 19 years old star was as raw as Wiggins?
Rookie TMac. Really, most of the rookies out of HS did nothing until they got some experience. Wiggins' year of college is a slight difference but generally teenagers aren't any good in the NBA. So while we can't be sure Wiggins develops the skill set of a superstar it's still far too early to say he'll never be great. Like most rookies he needs time, so the rush to judgment makes no sense.

[waseem780]

What's so good about Wiggins is the fact that he averaged 17 ppg in college and was considered a disappointment , That dude can play like shit and his athleticism and natural talent alone can get him at least 10 points with a few steals and rebounds so imagine when he starts to develop.

[SugarHill]

Hes the same type of prospect Paul George was
i cant believe nikkas was sayin he could be the next TMac:facepalm :facepalm
T-Mac was dominating from his first day in the league

[IGOTGAME]

T-Mac was dominating from his first day in the league

that was an ignorant post.

[noob cake]

Yeah, he's athletic, but he is not a good shooter, ball handler, scorer, post player. When looking at him, I just see another Deng, Igoudala, Batum type of player. What is all the hype about?

He is athletic. He has bit more basketball skill than most pure athletes.

As I have been saying a year before the draft, his ceiling is a Rudy Gay. His likely case is a Harrison Barnes with less shooting, more slashing.

[SugarHill]

that was an ignorant post.

It was a sarcastic post

[Milbuck]

I'm not buying the top 5 player superstar hype...but I think he could definitely become a slightly lesser Paul George, or perhaps match that level. Something like 23/5/4 with elite defense, a championship caliber 2nd option. Or a #1 on an incredibly well balanced and well coached team, similar to the current Spurs or Mavs.

His defensive instincts and physical tools are unreal for a kid his age. On that end he could be a top 5 perimeter player.

Offensively though I just don't see the ball handling, aggressiveness/intensity, and footwork to become a superstar scoring option. Nor does he have the natural vision to become a point-forward/playmaker. People throw out the Kobe example, of a guy who didn't do much entering the league..but you could still the offensive potential, the skills were promising. He wasn't that incredibly raw. I think Wiggins can get 15-17 ppg off athleticism alone, and as that jumper develops and he refines the rest of his skill set he could definitely hit the 22-24 ppg mark. But anything beyond that...he'd have to make pretty huge leaps in his game.

[STATUTORY]

I like his mentality, not ball dominant player like most young prospects these days. very active off ball player surprisingly

[Cocaine80s]

Cavs raped the T wolve hard in this trade

[04mzwach]

Yeah, he's athletic, but he is not a good shooter, ball handler, scorer, post player. When looking at him, I just see another Deng, Igoudala, Batum type of player. What is all the hype about?
I suppose watch him play and you'll see.

[Fire Colangelo]

He's averaging 9/4 on good defense. PG averaged 8/4 as a 20 year old rookie, and now he's averaging 22/7/4 in his 4th year. If the Wolves can put a decent team together like the Pacers did, I can see him being the first option on a very good team couple years down the stretch.

McGrady averaged 7/4 in his first year, and didn't start beasting until his 4th season.

Kobe averaged 7/2/1 in his first year.

KG averaged 10/6 in his first year.

Not every rookie is gonna come in dominate like Lebron/Jordan. Some guys need a couple years to adjust, nothing wrong with that.

[Milbuck]

He's averaging 9/4 on good defense. PG averaged 8/4 as a 20 year old rookie, and now he's averaging 22/7/4 in his 4th year. If the Wolves can put a decent team together like the Pacers did, I can see him being the first option on a very good team couple years down the stretch.

McGrady averaged 7/4 in his first year, and didn't start beasting until his 4th season.

Kobe averaged 7/2/1 in his first year.

KG averaged 10/6 in his first year.

Not every rookie is gonna come in dominate like Lebron/Jordan. Some guys need a couple years to adjust, nothing wrong with that.
Agreed. This is the same shit I've been saying about Giannis, and now it applies to Wiggins as well. These are 19 year old kids and they all develop differently..Pippen came into the league at 22 and was still only an 8ppg player from the start. If anything..the prowess Wiggins has shown on the defensive end at just 19 years old should be enough to warrant praise, add in the 9ppg which is in line with several other star players' rookie years, and it makes all the scrutiny pretty uncalled for.

[dreamwarrior]

He's averaging 9/4 on good defense. PG averaged 8/4 as a 20 year old rookie, and now he's averaging 22/7/4 in his 4th year. If the Wolves can put a decent team together like the Pacers did, I can see him being the first option on a very good team couple years down the stretch.

McGrady averaged 7/4 in his first year, and didn't start beasting until his 4th season.

Kobe averaged 7/2/1 in his first year.

KG averaged 10/6 in his first year.

Not every rookie is gonna come in dominate like Lebron/Jordan. Some guys need a couple years to adjust, nothing wrong with that.

Shawn Kemp - 6.5/4.3/.9

[dubeta]

ditched lebron for greener pastures in Minny so not a huge fan tbh

[ThatCoolKid]

ditched lebron for greener pastures in Minny so not a huge fan tbh

You are the final boss of human evolution. Once you are defeated, all retardation will yield in the face of enlightenment and humanity will have a golden era of 1000 years, until you reincarnate to bring your inexorable stupidity back into the world.

[deja vu]

Some posters here think he'll become as good as Michael freakin Jordan.

[Fawker]

it was a weak draft. every draft will have taunts of the next great but it shows how rare they come, no matter the times.

[Crose]

it was a weak draft. every draft will have taunts of the next great but it shows how rare they come, no matter the times.
:biggums:

[Fawker]

:biggums:
it was

[Bigsmoke]

Hes the same type of prospect Paul George was
i cant believe nikkas was sayin he could be the next TMac:facepalm :facepalm
you got it twisted.

PG is an overachiever

[tgan3]

I also don't get the hype about giannis antetokounmpo. It seems people like to hype up raw prospects who has length/athleticism and youth on their side.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

you got it twisted.

PG is an overachiever
only to nikkas who cant scout:lol :lol

[Milbuck]

I also don't get the hype about giannis antetokounmpo. It seems people like to hype up raw prospects who has length/athleticism and youth on their side.
What exactly do you not get about the hype?

[tgan3]

What exactly do you not get about the hype?

His stats for 2013-14:

6.8 ppg 0.8 bpg 0.8 spg 1.9 apg 0.414 fg% ft% 0.683

Seriously what is impressive with that? He's a 6'11 guy mind you. Show me a 6'11 guy who has averaged 0.414fg% or lesser. You can't find it.

[Milbuck]

His stats for 2013-14:

6.8 ppg 0.8 bpg 0.8 spg 1.9 apg 0.414 fg% ft% 0.683

Seriously what is impressive with that? He's a 6'11 guy mind you. Show me a 6'11 guy who has averaged 0.414fg% or lesser. You can't find it.
Do I really have to dig up Paul George, Kobe, T-Mac, Pippen, etc rookie year stats to show you why this is such an obviously flawed argument?

Please watch the games. You don't have to be blown away by what he's doing..and you shouldn't because he's only 19..but anyone who's consistently been watching him and not looking at the box score can see that the potential is there, whether they want to admit it or not. He's not just some raw athletic wing...he has great vision..great ball handling for his size..great attacker and fast break runner..great defensive instincts..he isn't just some unskilled athletic dude. There's a reason people are geeked about this kid and it's not just his physical tools.

Just tonight he completely took over the game in the 4th quarter, was the best player on the Bucks on both ends of the floor, complete mismatch against Memphis and for a 6-8 minute stretch, as close to unguardable as any 19 year old currently in the league. And of course ESPN's headline was "Knight leads the Bucks" because of one play, despite Giannis being the main reason we were even in the game.

[mrpibb]

Cavs raped the T wolve hard in this trade

:oldlol:

[tgan3]

Do I really have to dig up Paul George, Kobe, T-Mac, Pippen, etc rookie year stats to show you why this is such an obviously flawed argument?

Please watch the games. You don't have to be blown away by what he's doing..and you shouldn't because he's only 19..but anyone who's consistently been watching him and not looking at the box score can see that the potential is there, whether they want to admit it or not. He's not just some raw athletic wing...he has great vision..great ball handling for his size..great attacker and fast break runner..great defensive instincts..he isn't just some unskilled athletic dude. There's a reason people are geeked about this kid and it's not just his physical tools.

Just tonight he completely took over the game in the 4th quarter, was the best player on the Bucks on both ends of the floor, complete mismatch against Memphis and for a 6-8 minute stretch, as close to unguardable as any 19 year old currently in the league. And of course ESPN's headline was "Knight leads the Bucks" because of one play, despite Giannis being the main reason we were even in the game.

Ok, even if he has some intangibles and upside, just the FG% alone will make you feel uneasy about this prospect. He's a 6'11 dude averaging 0.414 FG%, a 6'11 guy averaging such a lower field goal percentage is unheard of (From what I know, unless you can show me some similar comparisons), also its not like hes a volume scorer which will make the lower FG% more excusable.

[SpanishACB]

Irving is a great shooter

a great ball handler, basket driver

etc

lacks vision and defensive instincts.

what good is that when you lack the fundamentals of playing for a team?

Wiggins is basically the opposite.

[senelcoolidge]

I think Wiggins will be a good player, but not live up to the #1 pick overall. I don't think he will be a perennial all star. He will just be a good player. Inconsistent on offense, good defender. Have highlights. Just "good". Something like a Rudy Gay or a Paul George lite like already mentioned.