notice ESPN didnt mention that Havlicek played 16 years with only 20ppg

[kennethgriffin]

it shouldnt be about "how did kobe pass a 20ppg, 16year player in missed shots"

it should be "how did a 16 year player with almost 6 less PPG still have more missed shots than a 19 year near 26ppg career player"


espn is usually right on the money and the first to mention "objective" 'yeah but" responses when its about a positive thing kobes done

like his fastest to 30,000 points record.... espn before the news even broke a week in advance were already making headlines saying "yeah but kobe needed more games. its just a youth record"

lol

theyed rather kobes good records look bad and his bad records look even worse. when in reality its an inevitable thing that comes with being the only 2 decade long volume scoring non big man



malones taken 310 threes

kareems taken 18 threes

kobes taken 5000+ threes


100 threes at 34% = 102 points

100 two point shots at 50% = 100 points

kobe shooting a ton more threes was in the end "efficient" in terms of output. but it made him miss a ton more shots than a big man would have. that plus long 2's and simply playing a different position is why kobe will be 3rd in scoring but 1st in misses





only 2 decade long players

- stockton ( pass first PG )
- malone ( power forward )
- kareem ( center )
- parish ( center )

- kobe ( shooting guard )

hmmmm i wonder why kobe has the most missed shots

[navy]

Are you posting here again?

[ImKobe]

OP is right on the money, watch the haters try to de-rail this thread with some ole bullshit and use their alts to further that shit, just to downplay the truth.

[OncePerMonth]

OP salty.

[glidedrxlr22]

U salty? Let Miss-Shot-be enjoy his moment.

[mehyaM24]

kobe supplanting his place atop this list is EXACTLY why his scoring acumen and clutch ability are overrated. he takes ALL the shots.

great player. top 10-15 all time - but massively overrated by his fanatics

[kennethgriffin]

kobe supplanting his place atop this list is EXACTLY why his scoring acumen and clutch ability are overrated. he takes ALL the shots.

great player. top 10-15 all time - but massively overrated by his fanatics

no... his points per shot is only .01 lower than jordan


kobes about to pass jordan in points only a few games after this "all time misses" thing

so the efficiency is actually good for kobe

only 2 guys ahead in points will be big men who protect their fg%


i'm pretty sure my OP explains why its not such a bad record for kobe



it comes with being the only 2 decade long player that wasnt either a big or a pass first PG



play long enough and you're bound to get that record. if jordan played long enough to get the all time points record. he'd also have the all time most misses

[OncePerMonth]

no... his points per shot is only .01 lower than jordan


kobes about to pass jordan in points only a few games after this "all time misses" thing

so the efficiency is actually good for kobe

only 2 guys ahead in points will be big men who protect their fg%


i'm pretty sure my OP explains why its not such a bad record for kobe



it comes with being the only 2 decade long player that wasnt either a big or a pass first PG



play long enough and you're bound to get that record. if jordan played long enough to get the all time points record. he'd also have the all time most misses

Jesus, Kobe hasn't passed Jordan yet? You made a big deal about Kobe taking 3 more years than Havlicek to pass him in shots missed, but ignore that it is 4 more years to pass Jordan in points.

[T_L_P]

Jesus, Kobe hasn't passed Jordan yet? You made a big deal about Kobe taking 3 more years than Havlicek to pass him in shots missed, but ignore that it is 4 more years to pass Jordan in points.

0.1, protected FG, ESPN conspiracy, rah rah rah.

Kobe took more years, but kenneth is conveniently overlooking it took less games than Havlicek.

[OncePerMonth]

0.1, protected FG, ESPN conspiracy, rah rah rah.

Kobe took more years, but kenneth is conveniently overlooking it took less games than Havlicek.

And less minutes.

[Lebron23]

Back in the 1960's the best perimeter players have terrible FG%. I think only West shot 50% from the field.

[r15mohd]

0.1, protected FG, ESPN conspiracy, rah rah rah.

Kobe took more years, but kenneth is conveniently overlooking it took less games than Havlicek.


they won't bring that up, at all! :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

Kenneth. My bro.

[tamaraw08]

it shouldnt be about "how did kobe pass a 20ppg, 16year player in missed shots"

it should be "how did a 16 year player with almost 6 less PPG still have more missed shots than a 19 year near 26ppg career player"


espn is usually right on the money and the first to mention "objective" 'yeah but" responses when its about a positive thing kobes done

like his fastest to 30,000 points record.... espn before the news even broke a week in advance were already making headlines saying "yeah but kobe needed more games. its just a youth record"

lol

theyed rather kobes good records look bad and his bad records look even worse. when in reality its an inevitable thing that comes with being the only 2 decade long volume scoring non big man



malones taken 310 threes

kareems taken 18 threes

kobes taken 5000+ threes


100 threes at 34% = 102 points

100 two point shots at 50% = 100 points

kobe shooting a ton more threes was in the end "efficient" in terms of output. but it made him miss a ton more shots than a big man would have. that plus long 2's and simply playing a different position is why kobe will be 3rd in scoring but 1st in misses





only 2 decade long players

- stockton ( pass first PG )
- malone ( power forward )
- kareem ( center )
- parish ( center )

- kobe ( shooting guard )

hmmmm i wonder why kobe has the most missed shots
Yeah, pretty much when ESPN kept hyping Lebron in his first year.
Youngest player to reach 100 pts,#assists,# blocks etc etc but also didn't mentioned negative numbers like turnovers etc.

[kennethgriffin]

Jesus, Kobe hasn't passed Jordan yet? You made a big deal about Kobe taking 3 more years than Havlicek to pass him in shots missed, but ignore that it is 4 more years to pass Jordan in points.


kobe averaged 4 less shots per game than jordan



kobes points per shot is identical with jordans


meaning if kobe attempted the same number of shots per game he would also have averaged 30ppg and gotten this many points after 15 years

[Mr. Jabbar]

23spn

[kennethgriffin]

jordan averaged 23 shots per game


kobe has 1.30 points per shot

1.3 x 23 = 29.9ppg


kobe literally has the same efficiency as jordan...

[MJ(Mean John)]

it shouldnt be about "how did kobe pass a 20ppg, 16year player in missed shots"

it should be "how did a 16 year player with almost 6 less PPG still have more missed shots than a 19 year near 26ppg career player"


espn is usually right on the money and the first to mention "objective" 'yeah but" responses when its about a positive thing kobes done

like his fastest to 30,000 points record.... espn before the news even broke a week in advance were already making headlines saying "yeah but kobe needed more games. its just a youth record"

lol

theyed rather kobes good records look bad and his bad records look even worse. when in reality its an inevitable thing that comes with being the only 2 decade long volume scoring non big man



malones taken 310 threes

kareems taken 18 threes

kobes taken 5000+ threes


100 threes at 34% = 102 points

100 two point shots at 50% = 100 points

kobe shooting a ton more threes was in the end "efficient" in terms of output. but it made him miss a ton more shots than a big man would have. that plus long 2's and simply playing a different position is why kobe will be 3rd in scoring but 1st in misses





only 2 decade long players

- stockton ( pass first PG )
- malone ( power forward )
- kareem ( center )
- parish ( center )

- kobe ( shooting guard )

hmmmm i wonder why kobe has the most missed shots

Yeah, but people don't see that.

I wish they could add up all the bail out shots that kobe takes per game. Remove those. But even at that, what do you expect? it's not like Kobe spent his whole career going 5/20. I mean, Stats are misleading.
Kobe has these missed shots, because he is so darn aggressive and is relentless. The guy just DOES NOT want to lose.

And the guy has been doubled and tripled his whole darn life.

"Die a hero, or live long enough to become a Villain."

[chris02jammers]

it shouldnt be about "how did kobe pass a 20ppg, 16year player in missed shots"

it should be "how did a 16 year player with almost 6 less PPG still have more missed shots than a 19 year near 26ppg career player"


espn is usually right on the money and the first to mention "objective" 'yeah but" responses when its about a positive thing kobes done

like his fastest to 30,000 points record.... espn before the news even broke a week in advance were already making headlines saying "yeah but kobe needed more games. its just a youth record"

lol

theyed rather kobes good records look bad and his bad records look even worse. when in reality its an inevitable thing that comes with being the only 2 decade long volume scoring non big man



malones taken 310 threes

kareems taken 18 threes

kobes taken 5000+ threes


100 threes at 34% = 102 points

100 two point shots at 50% = 100 points

kobe shooting a ton more threes was in the end "efficient" in terms of output. but it made him miss a ton more shots than a big man would have. that plus long 2's and simply playing a different position is why kobe will be 3rd in scoring but 1st in misses





only 2 decade long players

- stockton ( pass first PG )
- malone ( power forward )
- kareem ( center )
- parish ( center )

- kobe ( shooting guard )

hmmmm i wonder why kobe has the most missed shots

LeBron will beat him for the youngest to score 30k... your bitter kiddo... play time over? I can see that you are allowed to access Internet again. need to go out sometime and get laid

[kennethgriffin]

LeBron will beat him for the youngest to score 30k... your bitter kiddo... play time over? I can see that you are allowed to access Internet again. need to go out sometime and get laid


will lebron beat kobes youngest to 38k though?

cause i doubt he makes it that far regardless

[DonDadda59]

Games Played
Bean: 1,252
Hondo: 1,270

Minutes Played
Bean: c. 45,800
Hondo: 46,471

So Bean broke Hondo's record despite him (Bean) playing less minutes, less games. Damn ESPN, hiding the facts :mad:


kobe literally has the same efficiency as jordan...

Not sure if you know the meaning of that word.

[chris02jammers]

kobe averaged 4 less shots per game than jordan



kobes points per shot is identical with jordans


meaning if kobe attempted the same number of shots per game he would also have averaged 30ppg and gotten this many points after 15 years

sorry but kobe didn't average 30ppg... keep sour graping and dreaming

[chris02jammers]

will lebron beat kobes youngest to 38k though?

cause i doubt he makes it that far regardless

I'm not sure... I hope Kobe beats the 38k... its time the record to be broken

[Hey Yo]

3 of Kobe's seasons, when you combine them, is about 1400 FGA. That's pretty much equivalent to 1 full season for Kobe. Yes he's been in the league for 19yrs, but it's more like 16 when you factor in the above.

[kennethgriffin]

Games Played
Bean: 1,252
Hondo: 1,270

Minutes Played
Bean: c. 45,800
Hondo: 46,471

So Bean broke Hondo's record despite him (Bean) playing less minutes, less games. Damn ESPN, hiding the facts :mad:



Not sure if you know the meaning of that word.


lol


havlicek career ppg = 20 on 18.8 shots per game, 1.10 points per shot

kobe career ppg = 26 on 19.6 shots per game, 1.30 points per shot ( same as jordan )





is this what we've lowered ourselves to? having to explain why kobes a more efficient player than john havlicek?

[DonDadda59]

3 of Kobe's seasons, when you combine them, is about 1400 FGA. That's pretty much equivalent to 1 full season for Kobe. Yes he's been in the league for 19yrs, but it's more like 16 when you factor in the above.

You can play this pointless game with a lot of players. Take out Jordan's 2nd year where he only played 18 games after breaking his foot and his 17 game '95 season and he only played 13 seasons.

Can't rewrite History and make believe Bean didn't start out his career as a homeless man's Jamal Crawford in the 90s.


is this what we've lowered ourselves to? having to explain why kobes a more efficient player than john havlicek?

Bruh, spin it however you want to help you sleep at night. Bean is the new undisputed lord of the brick and he wiped away a record that was as old as he was in record time.

[r15mohd]

lol


havlicek career ppg = 20 on 18.8 shots per game, 1.10 points per shot

kobe career ppg = 26 on 19.6 shots per game, 1.30 points per shot ( same as jordan )





is this what we've lowered ourselves to? having to explain why kobes a more efficient player than john havlicek?



when was the 3pt line introduced?

[kennethgriffin]

kobe has 7,000 more points than havlicek

and he just NOW passed him in missed shots?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4qxO31AfrI

"somethins missin"

"somethins missin alright"

[Myth]

kobe averaged 4 less shots per game than jordan



kobes points per shot is identical with jordans


meaning if kobe attempted the same number of shots per game he would also have averaged 30ppg and gotten this many points after 15 years

Kobe wasn't as good at creating shots for himself that are efficient. To shoot as many shots, he would have forced more shots and his fg% would have gone down most likely. It is the same reason that per 36 aren't always accurate when you give a 5mpg player 36mpg. It changes the role, and therefore the types of shots taken.

[kennethgriffin]

when was the 3pt line introduced?


three pointers = more shots dumbass


34% on threes = 102 points

50% on 2's = 100 points

if anything it sped up kobes misses

and .20 more points per shot isnt from threes being invented


since 0.20 x 18.8 = 3.76 more points... in order for havlicek to attain that with threes instead of 2's he would have needed almost 4 makes per game


.. kobe only made 1.3 threes per game. which is only a fraction over an extra 1 point per game



you fail f*ck face

:lol

[Rose'sACL]

kobe supplanting his place atop this list is EXACTLY why his scoring acumen and clutch ability are overrated. he takes ALL the shots.

great player. top 10-15 all time - but massively overrated by his fanatics
he is overated because he plays for the lakers. he is in the 8-15 range all time but his so called clutch game is so overrated.
If lebron went to knicks and won them a couple of rings even if the team was stacked then there would be so many lebron=GOAT threads made on every basketball forums/sites by knicks fans that all other team's fans would be way more mad than they are now.
Playing in a really big market brings you so many of those "idiot" fans who overrate the shit out of their best player. Same thing happens with kobe. He is rarely ever blamed for any loss by lakers fans.
People who think that 3-4 trolls like dubeta are bad should think about that. there would be 20 trolls like that all time on every basketball site/forum if lebron was playing in a big market.

[kennethgriffin]

now yall know why the kobe hating mods keep banning me

i make good points. and back up with evidence and math/facts

[r15mohd]

three pointers = more shots dumbass


34% on threes = 102 points

50% on 2's = 100 points

if anything it sped up kobes misses

and .20 more points per shot isnt from threes being invented


since 0.20 x 18.8 = 3.76 more points... in order for havlicek to attain that with threes instead of 2's he would have needed almost 4 makes per game


.. kobe only made 1.3 threes per game. which is only a fraction over an extra 1 point per game



you fail f*ck face

:lol

i just asked when it was introduced...never said it was the reason :rolleyes: :facepalm

keep the rant going :applause: :applause: :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

he is overated because he plays for the lakers. he is in the 8-15 range all time but his so called clutch game is so overrated.
If lebron went to knicks and won them a couple of rings even if the team was stacked then there would be so many lebron=GOAT threads made on every basketball forums/sites by knicks fans that all other team's fans would be way more mad than they are now.
Playing in a really big market brings you so many of those "idiot" fans who overrate the shit out of their best player. Same thing happens with kobe. He is rarely ever blamed for any loss by lakers fans.
People who think that 3-4 trolls like dubeta are bad should think about that. there would be 20 trolls like that all time on every basketball site/forum if lebron was playing in a big market.


so kobe was so blessed to play with the lakers that he won 2 titles with one of the weakest teams in nba history

2nd best player a top 100 all time rank ( gasol )

3rd best player a top 200 all time rank ( odom )

3rd best player a top 500 all time rank ( fisher? )

everyone else = either a bum role player or retired right now


every other team that ever won had more than this



even the 1st three peat teams were pretty weak all around... after shaq and kobe their best guys were fisher, george, fox?

[r15mohd]

so kobe was so blessed to play with the lakers that he won 2 titles with one of the weakest teams in nba history

2nd best player a top 100 all time rank ( gasol )

3rd best player a top 200 all time rank ( odom )

3rd best player a top 500 all time rank ( fisher? )

everyone else = either a bum role player or retired right now


every other team that ever won had more than this



even the 1st three peat teams were pretty weak all around... after shaq and kobe their best guys were fisher, george, fox?


u do realize that the tandem of Gasol, Bynum and Odom proved to be the dominating factor in that run...not based on individuality of their play, right? not to mention the defensive wing presence of Artest.

i assume you don't.

[kennethgriffin]

u do realize that the tandem of Gasol, Bynum and Odom proved to be the dominating factor in that run...not based on individuality of their play, right? not to mention the defensive wing presence of Artest.

i assume you don't.

bynum averaged 6ppg and sat 4th quarters, played like 15 minutes during those title runs


odom was good but he was never an allstar. gasol was great but how many 2nd options in title history are ranked higher?



like 95%


and at the time during both title runs gasol was 3rd team all nba... getting beat out by 5-8 other big men in votes

[branslowski]

Kenneth has facts and evidence most of the time that backs his claims while others respond with BS and disrespectful comments yet claiming that Kenneth is a troll when in reality the haters of Kenneth speaking the truth is in essence THEE ACTUAL TROLLS.

Op Slayin yawl wit truth.

[kennethgriffin]

and artest was washed up
he wasnt even 2nd team all defense in 2010 and was a bum ready to retire a year after they won the title

he had one big game in game 7.


but he averaged only 10 points on 39% shooting in the 2010 playoffs

[r15mohd]

bynum averaged 6ppg and sat 4th quarters, played like 15 minutes during those title runs


odom was good but he was never an allstar. gasol was great but how many 2nd options in title history are ranked higher?



like 95%


and at the time during both title runs gasol was 3rd team all nba... getting beat out by 5-8 other big men in votes

again...it's collective impact/presence. what were the Lakers defensive ratings in this run?

[r15mohd]

and artest was washed up
he wasnt even 2nd team all defense in 2010 and was a bum ready to retire a year after they won the title

:wtf:

whatever you say Kenneth...whatever you say!

wasn't he 1st or 2nd team all-defense during the run, who cares about after?!? :facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

again...it's collective impact/presence. what were the Lakers defensive ratings in this run?


so the "collective" of gasol, bynum and odom = 1 great player overall

yeah sure i'l accept that


whatever



but lets add up rodman/pippen/kukoc/kerr/harper and roll them into 1 guy. its a better guy than odom/gasoft and no show bowling idiot


same for most title teams... their "collective combined megadroid army zords" came together and built a much more imposing power ranger robot



are we really having this discussion?

:facepalm

[mehyaM24]

no... his points per shot is only .01 lower than jordan
lol

points per shot doesnt take into account his misses, or the fact kobe shoots more 3's.

jordan has a significantly higher eFG, TS and FG% in the regular season AND playoffs. his player efficiency rating, which takes into account ALL AROUND play, puts kobe to shame sorry to say.

in b4 these stats "dont count".

[SugarHill]

Quick retirement, I must say.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe is basically the Havlicek of this era. Both played next to the most dominant player of their eras and both overrated as hell by the fans while playing/ immediately after retirement. I remember reading that Havlicek won "best celtic all time" or something like that in the 80s..of course it's laughable now. Same will happen to Kobe.

[r15mohd]

so the "collective" of gasol, bynum and odom = 1 great player overall

yeah sure i'l accept that


whatever



but lets add up rodman/pippen/kukoc/kerr/harper and roll them into 1 guy. its a better guy than odom/gasoft and no show bowling idiot


same for most title teams... their "collective combined megadroid army zords" came together and built a much more imposing power ranger robot



are we really having this discussion?

:facepalm

you're right...we can't have the discussion when you think a team of descent players together don't substantiate to anything forceful. Pistons that beat the Laker in 2004 should help you understand it more tho, if you need a reference. :rolleyes:

[gts]

Kobe is basically the Havlicek of this era. Both played next to the most dominant player of their eras and both overrated as hell by the fans while playing/ immediately after retirement. I remember reading that Havlicek won "best celtic all time" or something like that in the 80s..of course it's laughable now. Same will happen to Kobe.
:oldlol: This kids shook up...

to the record, all this number is is a stat line due to longevity and durability, look at the company he's in, it's a who's who of all time NBA greats

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:oldlol: This kids shook up...

to the record, all this number is is a stat line due to longevity and durability, look at the company he's in, it's a who's who of all time NBA greats


I realize that. I haven't even criticized Kobe for being on this list that much.

[Doctor Rivers]

I realize that. I haven't even criticized Kobe for being on this list that much.

lol

[CavaliersFTW]

They also didn't mention 8 rings > 5 rings

[kennethgriffin]

They also didn't mention 8 rings > 5 rings


lol pre merger rings are worth half

and dont bring up role player rings either


and nobody has havlicek anywhere near the top 10 all time. so save your breath

[Myth]

lol pre merger rings are worth half

and dont bring up role player rings either


and nobody has havlicek anywhere near the top 10 all time. so save your breath

So of players that are anywhere near the top 10 all time, Kobe has missed way more shots than any of them then. Thanks for that insight.

[PsychoBe]

So of players that are anywhere near the top 10 all time, Kobe has missed way more shots than any of them then. Thanks for that insight.

how many wing players are in the top ten? :facepalm

kobe and jordan, that's it.

kareem
russel
wilt
olajuwon
shaq
duncan

are the rest.

if you're a wing player, you have to take a substantial amount of shots from the outside, (harder, tougher, more contested shots) to keep up with their scoring output since 99% of their touches come from inside (and on the free-throw line).

stop embarrassing yourself.

[Myth]

how many wing players are in the top ten? :facepalm

kobe and jordan, that's it.

kareem
russel
wilt
olajuwon
shaq
duncan

are the rest.

if you're a wing player, you have to take a substantial amount of shots from the outside, (harder, tougher, more contested shots) to keep up with their scoring output since 99% of their touches come from inside (and on the free-throw line).

stop embarrassing yourself.

Other players near the top 10 include Oscar, West, Bird, Magic, and LeBron. Than means there are 6 other players floating around the top 10 that don't get fed the ball near the post that Kobe has a ton more missed shots than.

[chazzy]

Other players near the top 10 include Oscar, West, Bird, Magic, and LeBron. Than means there are 6 other players floating around the top 10 that don't get fed the ball near the post that Kobe has a ton more missed shots than.
Kobe's a more efficient scorer than Hakeem, Duncan, Wilt, Russell, and West

[Cocaine80s]

After breaking this record I don't feel bad about pushing Kobe out of my top 15. Good riddance

[kennethgriffin]

After breaking this record I don't feel bad about pushing Kobe out of my top 15. Good riddance


i pushed jordan out of my top 15 aswell

he needed the most FGA's to get the most PPG...


1 more shot per game than wilt to get 0.01 more ppg.. missing more than a shot more per game as wilt


talk about an inefficient chucker

:lol


i think only jordan and iverson have more than 12 misses per game career... wow eh.. bums LOL

[oarabbus]

This thread has made me realize Havlicek = GOAT

Thank you OP

[Beastmode88]

Damn Kobe wasn't even the number one option in his 3peat and some how in his career he manage to chuck more shots than anyone? :bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

Damn Kobe wasn't even the number one option in his 3peat and some how in his career he manage to chuck more shots than anyone? :bowdown:

lol no he hasnt


field goat attempts career:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28307
2. Karl Malone* 26210
3. Kobe Bryant 24542
4. Michael Jordan* 24537
5. Elvin Hayes* 24272

kobe just passed MJ last game actually

and is about to pass him in total points not more than a few games later


jordans points per shot was only 0.01 more than kobes during his career.

[OncePerMonth]

lol no he hasnt


field goat attempts career:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28307
2. Karl Malone* 26210
3. Kobe Bryant 24542
4. Michael Jordan* 24537
5. Elvin Hayes* 24272

kobe just passed MJ last game actually

and is about to pass him in total points not more than a few games later


jordans points per shot was only 0.01 more than kobes during his career.

But why did Kobe miss so much tho?

[KyleKong]

This thread is retarded.

Kobe stans denying the fact that Kobe is a chucker? :lol :oldlol:

[konex]

I'm also noticing how ESPN stops the list at the top 4 (MJ is #5 lol)

[kennethgriffin]

I'm also noticing how ESPN stops the list at the top 4 (MJ is #5 lol)


lol@ jordan 5th all time in missed shots while only playing 13 seasons

1. 1985
1986 - missed entire season
2. 1987
3. 1988
4. 1989
5. 1990
6. 1991
7. 1992
8. 1993
1994 - retired
1995 - missed entire season
9. 1996
10. 1997
11. 1998
1999 - retired
2000 - retired
2001 - retired
12. 2002
13. 2003

[dreamwarrior]

Some of the shots he takes are crazy, but he hits those impossible shots as often as he hits 3's. MJ rarely took a shot when he wasn't open. Even if he had the ball for the last shot to win the game, he rarely took a shot that was contested. Instead he'd pass the ball off. For the amount of open looks MJ got, he should've shot better than 50% for his career because he ONLY took open shots unless you count a handful of circus layups. The fadeaway was basically MJ's most difficult shot that he routinely nailed while Kobe's most difficult shot is a 20fter contested by 3 defenders that he nails over and over. MJ never even attempted a shot like that in his career.

[TOUCH MY BODY]

http://www.blacknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/kobe_bryant_trayvon_martin_comment.jpg

[christian1923]

Repped

[DonDadda59]

Some of the shots he takes are crazy, but he hits those impossible shots as often as he hits 3's. MJ rarely took a shot when he wasn't open. Even if he had the ball for the last shot to win the game, he rarely took a shot that was contested. Instead he'd pass the ball off. For the amount of open looks MJ got, he should've shot better than 50% for his career because he ONLY took open shots unless you count a handful of circus layups. The fadeaway was basically MJ's most difficult shot that he routinely nailed while Kobe's most difficult shot is a 20fter contested by 3 defenders that he nails over and over. MJ never even attempted a shot like that in his career.

What the f*ck is this guy talking about? :oldlol:

[Cali Syndicate]

100 threes at 34% = 102 points

100 two point shots at 50% = 100 points

As football is a game of inches, basketball is a game of possessions.

All day, everyday, and twice on Sunday's, I'll accept an extra 2 points on your end if it meant an additional 16 possessions on mine.

[chazzy]

As football is a game of inches, basketball is a game of possessions.

All day, everyday, and twice on Sunday's, I'll accept an extra 2 points on your end if it meant an additional 16 possessions on mine.
The two scenarios yield the same amount of possessions

[Smoke117]

Adding 18 more tonight...the man just doesn't quit...super dominant :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Cali Syndicate]

The two scenarios yield the same amount of possessions

No.

Kobe takes 30 shots, misses 15, defense gets 15 rebounds/possessions solely from Kobe's attempts. Kobe takes 30 makes 12, defense gets 18.


Kobe 100, makes 34, defense 66.
Kobe 100, makes 50, defense 50.


Edit: Chaz's, you're correct. Number of possesions remain equal. I'm still looking at the extra misses, but they aren't extra possesions.

[Done_And_Done]

Some of the shots he takes are crazy, but he hits those impossible shots as often as he hits 3's. MJ rarely took a shot when he wasn't open. Even if he had the ball for the last shot to win the game, he rarely took a shot that was contested. Instead he'd pass the ball off. For the amount of open looks MJ got, he should've shot better than 50% for his career because he ONLY took open shots unless you count a handful of circus layups. The fadeaway was basically MJ's most difficult shot that he routinely nailed while Kobe's most difficult shot is a 20fter contested by 3 defenders that he nails over and over. MJ never even attempted a shot like that in his career.

Jordan was an iso machine. He spent his entire career using his trademark fade to burn contested shots. Some might argue that his fade was virtually unblockable but that's besides the point. Not sure what you're going on about dude.

[Hoopz2332]

:oldlol:

[Asukal]

Kobe is now the greatest chucker of all time! :applause: :bowdown:

Havlicek is more than happy to hand over the title to Kobe. :lol

http://www.laughlocker.com/assets/0/1/kobe-it-s-called-shooting-guard-not-passing-guard_1345212001.jpg

[jstern]

You forgot to mention that Kobe has missed almost a full season, has been in two NBA lockout, and didn't play much his first couple years.

[jstern]

Some of the shots he takes are crazy, but he hits those impossible shots as often as he hits 3's. MJ rarely took a shot when he wasn't open. Even if he had the ball for the last shot to win the game, he rarely took a shot that was contested. Instead he'd pass the ball off. For the amount of open looks MJ got, he should've shot better than 50% for his career because he ONLY took open shots unless you count a handful of circus layups. The fadeaway was basically MJ's most difficult shot that he routinely nailed while Kobe's most difficult shot is a 20fter contested by 3 defenders that he nails over and over. MJ never even attempted a shot like that in his career.

God, you're talking out of your ass.

[r15mohd]

You forgot to mention that Kobe has missed almost a full season, has been in two NBA lockout, and didn't play much his first couple years.


yet still accomplished this "feat" in less games that Havlicek...what does that ultimately say about his shooting ways? :rolleyes: