Kobe ballin so far....

[9erempiree]

Looking good but his back must be sore.

[Derivative]

Looking good but his back must be sore.

must be sore with his dick in your ass all the time

[Kidbasketball20]

Kobe's the best.

I used to dislike him, but watching him this season has cemented him for me as one of the top 5 of all time.

[plowking]

Ed Davis is carrying the Lakers. Really wants this second win for the team as the new leader on defense.

[plowking]

Kobe's the best.

I used to dislike him, but watching him this season has cemented him for me as one of the top 5 of all time.

7 games cementing stuff for you. :applause:

Crazy how his 39% shooting has done that. :applause:

[Combat Wombat]

must be sore with his dick in your ass all the time

You can relate to that on the rare occasion when your daddy come homes, trolling fakkit.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe's the best.

I used to dislike him, but watching him this season has cemented him for me as one of the top 5 of all time.

Ether.


7 games cementing stuff for you. :applause:

Crazy how his 39% shooting has done that. :applause:

Slayed.


But seriously doe. The Pelicans have been a massive letdown so far this year. Expected them to be better than they've been performing.

[9erempiree]

7 games cementing stuff for you. :applause:

Crazy how his 39% shooting has done that. :applause:

When did shooting percentage affects a guy's greatness?

[Kidbasketball20]

7 games cementing stuff for you. :applause:

Crazy how his 39% shooting has done that. :applause:

You see the team around him? If he had Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love obviously it'd be different but not every "Chosen One" is that lucky #Ether

[DonDadda59]

When did shooting percentage affects a guy's greatness?

The beginning of time? :confusedshrug:

Unless of course you agree with the following statement: Allen Iverson is a better scorer than Kobe Bryant.

Argue against that.

[plowking]

When did shooting percentage affects a guy's greatness?

The only cementing Kobe is doing, is building shelters for the underprivileged with the amount of bricks he is putting up this season.

[SouBeachTalents]

When did shooting percentage affects a guy's greatness?

:roll:

[plowking]

You see the team around him? If he had Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love obviously it'd be different but not every "Chosen One" is that lucky #Ether

Clearly the words of someone who has been turned into a fan just by this season so far. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Kobe 1-8 since the thread was made. :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

6/17 halfway thru Q3 :roll:


Couldnt make this stuff up

[T_L_P]

He was 5/9 at one point, right?

Now he's 8/22. :biggums:

[navy]

He was 5/9 at one point, right?

Now he's 8/22. :biggums:
8/24

[Mr. Jabbar]

9er dude, you jinxed it :facepalm reverse jinx fast 1qtr left

[Akrazotile]

Kobe statpadding down 20 to the pelicans :applause:


Edit: statpadding his alltime missed FG record, that is.

[Inferno]

10-27

[bigkingsfan]

What a clutch shot to bring the team back... to -21

[DonDadda59]

The man is trying to make sure his missed shots record stands forever :eek:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Single-handedly holding the Lakers back. Yeah...I said it.

[Megabox!]

What a clutch shot to bring the team back... to -21
:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Its a good thing this isnt a meaningful game hes choking in. Otherwise he might go down with a fake injury.

[plowking]

Kobe's the best.

I used to dislike him, but watching him this season has cemented him for me as one of the top 5 of all time.

With the extra missed shots tonight, he has probably jumped into the top 3, right?

[chazzy]

Single-handedly holding the Lakers back. Yeah...I said it.
From what?

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe stayed in and chucked like a true ass alpha male.

That's why he's top 5 all time.

[AcquiringSteak]

From what?

from team basketball buddy, learn the game

[Budadiiii]

From what?
:lol

He's holding back Lin and company from being the worst team in the history of the sport.

[DonDadda59]

Swaggy P >>> Kobe

[Akrazotile]

From what?


Enjoying the game of basketball.

[Hoopz2332]

Kobe statpadding down 20 to the pelicans :applause:


Edit: statpadding his alltime missed FG record, that is.


:oldlol:

[Cocaine80s]

10/28

[Nowitness]

Kobe stayed in and chucked like a true ass alpha male.

That's why he's top 5 all time.

kobe can do no wrong with you.

stay losing, chode.

[9erempiree]

Just a dominant performance on a losing effort.

[T_L_P]

Just a dominant performance on a losing effort.

Horrible game played. :oldlol:

[STATUTORY]

33/5/5(4 rebs+1steal)

it dont get more dominant than that :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

From what?

From doing anything. He handicaps them financially and on the court. I'm sure his zealots LOVE them some chucking though.

Gotta get dat scoring record.. amirite?

[chazzy]

From doing anything. He handicaps them financially and on the court. I'm sure his zealots LOVE them some chucking though.

Gotta get dat scoring record.. amirite?
These seasons don't matter. The ideal scenario going into this season was developing Randle and getting a top 5 pick. Most other players on the roster are temporary filler, so now that Randle is gone the ideal result is a top 5 pick. I hate to root for losing, but that's the only positive outcome from this year - it's either a top 5 pick or no pick. The rest is just noise keeping the stans and life-long haters buzzing.

The Lakers rebuild plan was thwarted by the CP3 veto, as that could've paved the way to a CP3/Dwight future. They tried to keep Dwight but the situation didn't compare to Houston's. Now they're looking towards 2016, when more FAs are available and the cap should rise immensely. There's just gonna be a lot of losing until then.

[Heavincent]

From doing anything. He handicaps them financially and on the court. I'm sure his zealots LOVE them some chucking though.

Gotta get dat scoring record.. amirite?

Again, why do people hold the contract against Kobe? The Lakers approached him, not the other way around. There was literally no negotiation. Kobe simply accepted the offer, like anybody else would.

[JebronLames]

2/7

[plowking]

It is actually crazy the amount of protection Kobe gets in LA both from the media and the fanbase.

I've never seen a star blamed less for losses in any sport. It was more evident than ever when Dwight was there.

[Heavincent]

It is actually crazy the amount of protection Kobe gets in LA both from the media and the fanbase.

I've never seen a star blamed less for losses in any sport. It was more evident than ever when Dwight was there.

That's what happens when you win 5 rings.

Also, I guess you've never heard of Peyton Manning.

[JT123]

:lol

He's causing Lin and company to be the worst team in the history of the sport.
fixed

[JT123]

That's what happens when you win 5 rings.

Also, I guess you've never heard of Peyton Manning.
:whatever: Manning has been labeled one of the biggest chokers in sports history for years. Has fools like Skip Bayless giving him backhanded compliments about being the best regular season QB ever. :no:

[triangleoffense]

Most amazingly is his recovery from the injury and adaptability... I would say he's used more of his flexibility to get better but his lift is darn near impressive as well.. that's just strengthening of agonist/antagonist muscles which denotes hard work (go to school for this thing)... guy is a gangster hard worker.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

As an unbiased fan, he was decent today.

[plowking]

That's what happens when you win 5 rings.

Also, I guess you've never heard of Peyton Manning.

The Spurs have won so many rings together and they have no problem telling their stars they're having a bad game.

LA on the other. Even suggest Kobe has had a bad one and is mostly responsible for the loss... "Look at all the other shit though"...

Any neutral can see Kobe is the main cause of the lack of development in the team right now. Dude doesn't play winning basketball. He's been on winning teams, sure, but his style of play doesn't result in winning basketball. He can be a piece of a winning team, but the brand he wants to promote in the team... Nah. One of the best ever, but he has been very fortunate to play his whole career out in LA. Teams have been built around him to cater to him, and his style of play, and hide his weaknesses, which involves him just chucking up all the shots he wants and not promoting a sense of team play. This all coming from someone who's first jersey was a Kobe one, despite never being a Laker fan, and actually wants to see him succeed.

[chazzy]

Dude doesn't play winning basketball. He's been on winning teams, sure, but his style of play doesn't result in winning basketball.
:oldlol:

I hope you're talking about current Kobe 8 games in

[Heavincent]

Dude doesn't play winning basketball. He's been on winning teams, sure, but his style of play doesn't result in winning basketball.

There's literally no evidence of this.

He was the clear cut best player on two title teams and won 3 other rings as well...that thwarts your entire argument.

"Kobe doesn't play winning basketball, he just happened to win a shit ton of games and titles...but he doesn't play winning basketball"

okay...

[Cold soul]

The Spurs have won so many rings together and they have no problem telling their stars they're having a bad game.

LA on the other. Even suggest Kobe has had a bad one and is mostly responsible for the loss... "Look at all the other shit though"...

Any neutral can see Kobe is the main cause of the lack of development in the team right now. Dude doesn't play winning basketball. He's been on winning teams, sure, but his style of play doesn't result in winning basketball. He can be a piece of a winning team, but the brand he wants to promote in the team... Nah. One of the best ever, but he has been very fortunate to play his whole career out in LA. Teams have been built around him to cater to him, and his style of play, and hide his weaknesses, which involves him just chucking up all the shots he wants and not promoting a sense of team play. This all coming from someone who's first jersey was a Kobe one, despite never being a Laker fan, and actually wants to see him succeed.


I hope you're talking about current Kobe and not prime Kobe 6-7 years ago much different player.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe was not "clearly" better than Gasol. It is arguable either way.

[chazzy]

Kobe was not "clearly" better than Gasol. It is arguable either way.
Pau and Kobe were better than each other during certain moments of the '10 playoffs (mainly first round), but yes. He was. Miss me with that catch all WS stat

[Heavincent]

Pau and Kobe were better than each other during certain moments of the '10 playoffs (mainly first round), but yes. He was. Miss me with that catch all WS stat

Not sure why you're responding to a shitty garden variety troll.

[JT123]

Kobe was not "clearly" better than Gasol. It is arguable either way.
In the important playoff games, Gasol was much better. Kobe shot 30% in the 4th quarters during LA's Finals win against Orlando. :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

RAPM:

2009:

Kobe: +5.5
Gasol: +4.2

2010:

Kobe: +4.2
Gasol: +3.8

So slight edge to Kobe but very close on the whole. Pretty much confirms the eye test.

Just for comparison:

2012:

LeBron James: +9.5
Dwyane Wade: +6.1

2013:

LeBron James: +10.1
Dwyane Wade*: +4.5

*Fell off a cliff in the PS

[chazzy]

Yay, catch all stats

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yay, catch all stats
Great argument. :applause:

[Milbuck]

The Spurs have won so many rings together and they have no problem telling their stars they're having a bad game.

LA on the other. Even suggest Kobe has had a bad one and is mostly responsible for the loss... "Look at all the other shit though"...

Any neutral can see Kobe is the main cause of the lack of development in the team right now. Dude doesn't play winning basketball. He's been on winning teams, sure, but his style of play doesn't result in winning basketball. He can be a piece of a winning team, but the brand he wants to promote in the team... Nah. One of the best ever, but he has been very fortunate to play his whole career out in LA. Teams have been built around him to cater to him, and his style of play, and hide his weaknesses, which involves him just chucking up all the shots he wants and not promoting a sense of team play. This all coming from someone who's first jersey was a Kobe one, despite never being a Laker fan, and actually wants to see him succeed.
Kobe has been the driving behind 3 straight finals and back to back championships. Them building around him to cater to his strengths has nothing to do with his ability or inability to lead winning basketball...you know, because that's what a front office is supposed to do with their franchise player :oldlol:

What about in the 46 pre-Gasol games in 2007-08 when he was putting up 29/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS with the best defense he'd played since the 3-peat Lakers and a well-documented improvement in leadership and trust in teammates, and leading the Lakers to a 54-win pace..with Luke Walton and Vladimir Radmanovic starting...and again without Gasol in that span?

From 2008-2010 he had series of...

33/7/7/1 on 63% TS in the 2008 WCSF

29/6/4/2 on 59% TS in the 2008 WCF

34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF

32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS in the 2009 Finals

32/4/6/1/1 on 61% TS in the 2010 WCSF

34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF

27/8/4/2/1 on 53% TS in the 2010 Finals...30/7/4/2/1 on 56% TS aside from that rough game 7

And collectively put up 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS in that 3 year, 3 finals 2 championship run.

Lmfao at his style not being conducive to winning basketball. And lol at acting like the version of Kobe we see today and the state the Lakers are in right now reflects on what he did in years past.

[plowking]

:oldlol:

I hope you're talking about current Kobe 8 games in

Seriously. A lot of Kobe's standing historically, and his achievements are predicated on the fact he played as a Laker. Look at every measurable metric there is as an overall player or as a variable in winning. For some reason he doesn't measure up to the others in the top 10.

Kobe is one of the best of all time, there isn't any denying it, but correlation and causation are two different things. I'd say Larry Bird promoted team and championship basketball much better than Kobe, yet he didn't win as much. There have been a few players better than Kobe who haven't won as much. I mean a guy like Tim Duncan isn't the player Wilt was, but he sacrificed, did what was needed, and played a particular way to try and promote winning basketball in a club. Same reason why Wilt didn't win as much as Russell despite being better. Sure he won, but he could have won more. That is my point with Kobe.

[chazzy]

Kobe has been the driving behind 3 straight finals and back to back championships. Them building around him to cater to his strengths has nothing to do with his ability or inability to lead winning basketball...you know, because that's what a front office is supposed to do with their franchise player :oldlol:

What about in the 46 pre-Gasol games in 2007-08 when he was putting up 29/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS with the best defense he'd played since the 3-peat Lakers and a well-documented improvement in leadership and trust in teammates, and leading the Lakers to a 54-win pace..with Luke Walton and Vladimir Radmanovic starting...and again without Gasol in that span?

From 2008-2010 he had series of...

33/7/7/1 on 63% TS in the 2008 WCSF

29/6/4/2 on 59% TS in the 2008 WCF

34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF

32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS in the 2009 Finals

32/4/6/1/1 on 61% TS in the 2010 WCSF

34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF

27/8/4/2/1 on 53% TS in the 2010 Finals...30/7/4/2/1 on 56% TS aside from that rough game 7

And collectively put up 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS in that 3 year, 3 finals 2 championship run.

Lmfao at his style not being conducive to winning basketball. And lol at acting like the version of Kobe we see today and the state the Lakers are in right now reflects on what he did in years past.

Lakers offense since 2000:
5th
2nd
2nd
4th
6th
(Post Shaq)
7th
8th
7th
3rd (Pau for 27 games)
3rd

Pretty successful brand of basketball

[Heavincent]

Kobe has been the driving behind 3 straight finals and back to back championships. Them building around him to cater to his strengths has nothing to do with his ability or inability to lead winning basketball...you know, because that's what a front office is supposed to do with their franchise player :oldlol:

What about in the 46 pre-Gasol games in 2007-08 when he was putting up 29/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS with the best defense he'd played since the 3-peat Lakers and a well-documented improvement in leadership and trust in teammates, and leading the Lakers to a 54-win pace..with Luke Walton and Vladimir Radmanovic starting...and again without Gasol in that span?

From 2008-2010 he had series of...

33/7/7/1 on 63% TS in the 2008 WCSF

29/6/4/2 on 59% TS in the 2008 WCF

34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF

32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS in the 2009 Finals

32/4/6/1/1 on 61% TS in the 2010 WCSF

34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF

27/8/4/2/1 on 53% TS in the 2010 Finals...30/7/4/2/1 on 56% TS aside from that rough game 7

And collectively put up 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS in that 3 year, 3 finals 2 championship run.

Lmfao at his style not being conducive to winning basketball. And lol at acting like the version of Kobe we see today and the state the Lakers are in right now reflects on what he did in years past.

Hmm...seems like winning basketball to me.

[plowking]

Eh, I won't bother with Laker fans. You can't have a decent discussion with them about Kobe. Whatever. He is perfect. The reason you won 5 titles is because Kobe just gets it done. Don't ask us how, he is just a winner and gets it done. That is the reason. 'Merica.

[Heavincent]

Eh, I won't bother with Laker fans. You can't have a decent discussion with them about Kobe. Whatever. He is perfect. The reason you won 5 titles is because Kobe just gets it done. Don't ask us how, he is just a winner and gets it done. That is the reason. 'Merica.

Did you not see the long list of statistics and facts milbuck just posted?

What facts have you brought to the table? Your argument is literally "Kobe's style of play isn't conductive to winning because I said so"

[chazzy]

Eh, I won't bother with Laker fans. You can't have a decent discussion with them about Kobe. Whatever. He is perfect. The reason you won 5 titles is because Kobe just gets it done. Don't ask us how, he is just a winner and gets it done. That is the reason. 'Merica.
Way to take it to the extreme :oldlol: two can play that..

Eh, I won't bother with plowking. You can't have a decent discussion with him about Kobe. Whatever. He's a cancer. The reason we won 5 titles is because of his teammates. Don't ask us how, they mask his cancerous play and got it done. That is the reason. 'Stralia

[jrong]

For the most part, I think a lot of the criticism of Kobe in recent years has been unfair, but not this year. His volume shooting combined with his inefficiency is making it mathematically impossible for the Lakers to win games.

And before you say, he's their only chance to win, don't. You can make a choice to get the best out of your teammates, or you can play like Kobe is.

LeBron, Wade, CP, KD and many others would all have more than one win with that squad.

[plowking]

Way to take it to the extreme :oldlol: two can play that..

Eh, I won't bother with plowking. You can't have a decent discussion with him about Kobe. Whatever. He's a cancer. The reason we won 5 titles is because of his teammates. Don't ask us how, they mask his cancerous play and got it done. That is the reason. 'Stralia

Yeah, I'm not saying that at all. I have Kobe as a top 10 players and I think he is one of the best ever. The point is, he has been blessed in terms of luck with the way his career has played out and he hasn't maximized it. On the Lakers, in an era where they've had a great upkeep of their team in terms of talent, and consistently cycling through great players to surround him with. Kobe has had a career where he can pretty much say, outside of 1 or 2 years, that he has always been put in a position to compete. He has won a lot, but with a few tweaks in his play, and attitude, he could have won a lot more. The way he handled the Dwight saga and the Shaq one is testament to that. The way he handled the Dwight saga, and his currently play, is ultimately the reason for the failures now

Where as the criticism I pointed out in your arguments pretty much all stand. All I get told whenever asked the question of "how" is, he just gets it done and he is a winner. :oldlol: It is like calling Russell a better winner than Jordan, yet you can't explain the reasons as to why, and just keep repeating yourself.

[Milbuck]

Eh, I won't bother with Laker fans. You can't have a decent discussion with them about Kobe. Whatever. He is perfect. The reason you won 5 titles is because Kobe just gets it done. Don't ask us how, he is just a winner and gets it done. That is the reason. 'Merica.
You won't bother because you have literally nothing to support your argument but retarded opinionated narratives that have no basis in reality. And you also have nothing to respond to what I said. Lmfao at the part in your earlier post about you having a Kobe jersey, as if that adds any shred of objectivity to your dumb post.

You're saying Kobe was never conducive to winning basketball, and a product of his teams...and now you're bitching about other posters being dense? :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

You won't bother because you have literally nothing to support your argument but retarded opinionated narratives that have no basis in reality. And you also have nothing to respond to what I said. Lmfao at the part in your earlier post about you having a Kobe jersey, as if that adds any shred of objectivity to your dumb post.

You're saying Kobe was never conducive to winning basketball, and a product of his teams...and now you're bitching about other posters being dense? :oldlol:


Its all about dem rings baby.

Horry > (Kobe = Fisher)

[chazzy]

Where as the criticism I pointed out in your arguments pretty much all stand. All I get told whenever asked the question of "how" is, he just gets it done and he is a winner. :oldlol: It is like calling Russell a better winner than Jordan, yet you can't explain the reasons as to why, and just keep repeating yourself.
Milbuck and I said nothing of the sort. Your claim was that Kobe "doesn't play winning basketball because he chucks up as many shots as he wants and affects team play." We both gave examples of his positive offensive impact to his teams. In his prime, Kobe was leading his team to top 8 offenses no matter who he was surrounded with. If he needs his offensive weaknesses masked by good teammates, why were they still a damn good offensive team without good teammates?

Prime/healthy Wade in 09 and 10 - 20th and 19th offense
Prime/healthy Kobe 06 and 07 - 8th and 7th best offense

Who's benefited from teammates masking their weaknesses more? What's Wade's legacy without the Heat acquiring Shaq and Lebron? You can play this game with a lot of players. I don't feel that way about Wade, just using him as an example.

Also, Dwight wasn't coming back to the Lakers even if Kobe did his best Magic Johnson impersonation. They had no upside, the coach didn't know how to utilize him, and their best player was old as hell. It would be foolish to turn down the Rockets' situation for that if winning was the #1 priority.

[Milbuck]

Its all about dem rings baby.

Horry > (Kobe = Fisher)
30/6/6/2/1 back to back rings and finals MVPs

vs

8 ppg from 2000-02 playoffs


dat Akrazotile logic :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Akrazotile]

Milbuck and I said nothing of the sort. Your claim was that Kobe "doesn't play winning basketball because he chucks up as many shots as he wants and affects team play." We both gave examples of his positive offensive impact to his teams. In his prime, Kobe was leading his team to top 8 offenses no matter who he was surrounded with. If he needs his offensive weaknesses masked by good teammates, why were they still a damn good offensive team without good teammates?

Prime/healthy Wade in 09 and 10 - 20th and 19th offense
Prime/healthy Kobe 06 and 07 - 8th and 7th best offense

Who's benefited from teammates masking their weaknesses more? What's Wade's legacy without the Heat acquiring Shaq and Lebron? You can play this game with a lot of players. I don't feel that way about Wade, just using him as an example.

Also, Dwight wasn't coming back to the Lakers even if Kobe did his best Magic Johnson impersonation. They had no upside, the coach didn't know how to utilize him, and their best player was old as hell. It would be foolish to turn down the Rockets' situation for that if winning was the #1 priority.


Hey, chazzy.

Can you post the offense/defense stats and w-l records of those same squads when kobe was out of the lineup?

[plowking]

You won't bother because you have literally nothing to support your argument but retarded opinionated narratives that have no basis in reality. And you also have nothing to respond to what I said. Lmfao at the part in your earlier post about you having a Kobe jersey, as if that adds any shred of objectivity to your dumb post.

You're saying Kobe was never conducive to winning basketball, and a product of his teams...and now you're bitching about other posters being dense? :oldlol:

Like the poster above me said, it's all about rings right. Horry clearly had something about him that made him win. He just got it done. He just stepped up all the time. We have several examples of him doing it. He has hit some of the biggest shots in basketball. Clearly, he just gets it done, and that is that.

I didn't respond to your post because it is exactly the same. You posted Kobe's stats, which he is pretty much putting up now outside of the FG%, and you posted how he was leading a so-so team in your opinion to a decent amount of wins. The fact is Bynum was on that team putting up 14/10, then there was Odom on that team putting up 14/11/4... I'm sure you'll also ignore that the period Bynum went down and Gasol wasn't there they went through a rough patch. Convenient shit you leave out, right?

I'm completely objective about Bryant, and a big fan of his game. I am able to have an objective discussion unlike many on here about him, particularly Laker fans.

I never said he was a product of his teams. He has won, he is thus a winner based on that fact. But based on the teams he has had, and the way he has molded them being the leader, I don't think it is perfectly conductive to winning. Take Tim Duncan as an example. He has changed his game over time to be conductive with winning. Doing what needs to be done. Take less shots, focus more on defense... Or take more outside shots, draw people away from the paint, etc.
Same as Lebron. Dominating the ball in Cleveland was their path to success, then he came to Miami and as the leader instilled a form of ball movement and efficeint shot selection rarely seen before. Due to the fact his team was small, bad at rebounding and it was a must.

Kobe just doesn't do that. It's his way, or get out of the way. He screwed the Lakers with Dwight because of it too.

[sportjames23]

The only cementing Kobe is doing, is building shelters for the underprivileged with the amount of bricks he is putting up this season.


Oh, shit. :lol

[DonDadda59]

That's what happens when you win 5 rings.

:coleman:

Pau won you 2 rings and you LA nigguhs treated him like absolute shit. Every time a Lakers fan caught a cold it was Pau's fault.

As soon as he leaves, like before he got there, the Lakers plummet into irrelevancy with Bean mindlessly chucking with no impact. But all praise Godbe and his 38% FG leading LA to the promised land: 1-7 record, worst defense possibly in NBA History, no relief in site (unless your savior Swaggy P rights the ship). :bowdown:

[chazzy]

As soon as he leaves, like before he got there, the Lakers plummet into irrelevancy
They were relevant last year?

[DonDadda59]

They were relevant last year?

They were better last year with a hobbled Pau and Swaggy P than they are now with Godbe :oldlol:

The Lakers winning 27 games this year would be nothing short of a miracle. Meanwhile, Pau will be challenging for a title with the Bulls. Poetic Justice :applause:

[Cold soul]

:coleman:

Pau won you 2 rings and you LA nigguhs treated him like absolute shit. Every time a Lakers fan caught a cold it was Pau's fault.

As soon as he leaves, like before he got there, the Lakers plummet into irrelevancy with Bean mindlessly chucking with no impact. But all praise Godbe and his 38% FG leading LA to the promised land: 1-7 record, worst defense possibly in NBA History, no relief in site (unless your savior Swaggy P rights the ship). :bowdown:

According to you everything Kobe fault he can't do anything right. Wow did Kobe **** your mom or wife or something? You have a lot of build up hate on the man it's downright sad and pathetic. Seriously get a life or some hobby troll do something productive in your pathetic life instead of trolling 24/7.

[DonDadda59]

According to you everything Kobe fault he can't do anything right. Wow did Kobe **** your mom or wife or something? You have a lot of build up hate on the man it's downright sad and pathetic. Seriously get a life or some hobby troll do something productive in your pathetic life instead of trolling 24/7.

Eat a dick :kobe:

[Heavincent]

:coleman:

Pau won you 2 rings and you LA nigguhs treated him like absolute shit. Every time a Lakers fan caught a cold it was Pau's fault.

As soon as he leaves, like before he got there, the Lakers plummet into irrelevancy with Bean mindlessly chucking with no impact. But all praise Godbe and his 38% FG leading LA to the promised land: 1-7 record, worst defense possibly in NBA History, no relief in site (unless your savior Swaggy P rights the ship). :bowdown:

First of all, I'm not a Lakers fan. This is from an outsider perspective, although I've been a fan of Kobe since about 2008 or so (hated him before that)...so I'm not an "LA nigguh".

Secondly, I'm not sure what your point is here. Yes, Pau was a great sidekick, and I don't mean that in the pauk backhanded compliment kind of way. Dude was a legit 20/10 big man, one of the best at his position (arguably THE best). That doesn't change the fact that Kobe was the best player on those title teams...hence proving that you could build around him and win with him as your best player. That was my response to plowking's silly notion that Kobe doesn't play winning basketball. Not sure what exactly you're trying to argue here.

Also, the Lakers collapse seemed to coincide with Kobe's injury more than anything. Kobe led the Lakers to the playoffs for 8 years in a row (with 3 finals appearances and 2 titles), then he gets injured and they don't even sniff the playoffs...coincidence? :confusedshrug: Now they'll be a lottery team again because Kobe is ancient and hobbled.

[Cold soul]

Eat a dick :kobe:

Lol this little bitch getting mad? :lol

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[DonDadda59]

Lol this little bitch getting mad? :lol


Mad about a dude chucking to the tune of 38% on a 1-7 team that will maybe win 20 games?

I'm furious :mad:





















































































































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[SpaceJammeR]

kobe fans....:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DonDadda59]

My Christmas wish this year will be for the Bulls and the Rockets to make the finals. You thought the Bean stans hated the idea of Duncan and LeBron adding to their ring counts... imagine the sodium levels of them having to watch their scapegoats lead a team to the mountain top without Overratedbe. Pau might get that finals MVP he was cheated out of during the 6/24 fiasco.

Lord that would be beautiful. Duncan getting #6 wouldn't be so bad either.

[Heavincent]

My Christmas wish this year will be for the Bulls and the Rockets to make the finals. You thought the Bean stans hated the idea of Duncan and LeBron adding to their ring counts... imagine the sodium levels of them having to watch their scapegoats lead a team to the mountain top without Overratedbe. Pau might get that finals MVP he was cheated out of during the 6/24 fiasco.

Lord that would be beautiful. Duncan getting #6 wouldn't be so bad either.

Admit it, you were mad as **** when Kobe won back-to-back titles to put an end to the "He can't win without Shaq!" nonsense.

[DonDadda59]

Admit it, you were mad as **** when Kobe won back-to-back titles to put an end to the "He can't win without Shaq!" nonsense.

Obviously I was mad. I hate me some Bean, I hate me some Lakers. Naturally I was displeased with them winning the 'ship. No different than when the Red Sox won the world series or the Pats the Superbowl :lol

But oh lawdy lawd if we get a Pau-Dwight finals... lawdy. :bowdown:

[JT123]

Like the poster above me said, it's all about rings right. Horry clearly had something about him that made him win. He just got it done. He just stepped up all the time. We have several examples of him doing it. He has hit some of the biggest shots in basketball. Clearly, he just gets it done, and that is that.

I didn't respond to your post because it is exactly the same. You posted Kobe's stats, which he is pretty much putting up now outside of the FG%, and you posted how he was leading a so-so team in your opinion to a decent amount of wins. The fact is Bynum was on that team putting up 14/10, then there was Odom on that team putting up 14/11/4... I'm sure you'll also ignore that the period Bynum went down and Gasol wasn't there they went through a rough patch. Convenient shit you leave out, right?

I'm completely objective about Bryant, and a big fan of his game. I am able to have an objective discussion unlike many on here about him, particularly Laker fans.

I never said he was a product of his teams. He has won, he is thus a winner based on that fact. But based on the teams he has had, and the way he has molded them being the leader, I don't think it is perfectly conductive to winning. Take Tim Duncan as an example. He has changed his game over time to be conductive with winning. Doing what needs to be done. Take less shots, focus more on defense... Or take more outside shots, draw people away from the paint, etc.
Same as Lebron. Dominating the ball in Cleveland was their path to success, then he came to Miami and as the leader instilled a form of ball movement and efficeint shot selection rarely seen before. Due to the fact his team was small, bad at rebounding and it was a must.

Kobe just doesn't do that. It's his way, or get out of the way. He screwed the Lakers with Dwight because of it too.
:applause: Plowking ethering these Kobe stans with ease.

[Heavincent]

Obviously I was mad. I hate me some Bean, I hate me some Lakers. Naturally I was displeased with them winning the 'ship. No different than when the Red Sox won the world series or the Pats the Superbowl :lol


I respect that.

Honestly, I used to hate Kobe too.

[JT123]

My Christmas wish this year will be for the Bulls and the Rockets to make the finals. You thought the Bean stans hated the idea of Duncan and LeBron adding to their ring counts... imagine the sodium levels of them having to watch their scapegoats lead a team to the mountain top without Overratedbe. Pau might get that finals MVP he was cheated out of during the 6/24 fiasco.

Lord that would be beautiful. Duncan getting #6 wouldn't be so bad either.
Obviously I want the Cavs in the Finals, but if they don't make it this year I would LOVE for this matchup to happen. :lol Would rather the Rockets win though, as Kobe stans seem to hate Dwight more than Pau.