Anthony Davis is going to blow away the previous PER record

[Derivative]

Dude is averaging 35 PER while doing nothing spectacular rather than playing his own game. I understand that the sample size is small, but it seems like that Davis is consistently playing at this level. And after today game's Davis's PER is just going to increase even more.

Dude is unreal, when the NBA scout said that AD was a duncan/KG hybrid i thought he was smoking crack, but now it looks like AD is already at their level.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dude is averaging 35 PER while doing nothing spectacular rather than playing his own game. I understand that the sample size is small, but it seems like that Davis is consistently playing at this level. And after today game's Davis's PER is just going to increase even more.

Dude is unreal, when the NBA scout said that AD was a duncan/KG hybrid i thought he was smoking crack, but now it looks like AD is already at their level.

I'm not sure you do

[LAZERUSS]

This again?

Let me know when AD is leading the league in 67% of it's statistical categories, and some by huge margins.

[stalkerforlife]

Make the playoffs.

Love 2.0.

Willing your team to wins is something that will always be more valuable than any statistic.

[T_L_P]

This again?

Let me know when AD is leading the league in 67% of it's statistical categories, and some by huge margins.

Against 3 times as many teams.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt Chamberlain from 2/8/67 - 2/28/67 (10 games)

32.0 ppg on 74.7FG%,
26.6 rebounds per game
9.3 assists per game
11.6 blocks per game

What PER would that be, OP?

[SouBeachTalents]

Wilt Chamberlain from 2/8/67 - 2/28/67 (10 games)

32.0 ppg on 74.7FG%,
26.6 rebounds per game
9.3 assists per game
11.6 blocks per game

Blocks unknown, steals unknown, but was likely 5+ blocks.

What PER would that be, OP?

Where do you get those stats from?

[Bless Mathews]

Wilt Chamberlain from 2/8/67 - 2/28/67 (10 games)

32.0 ppg on 74.7FG%,
26.6 rebounds per game
9.3 assists per game
11.6 blocks per game

What PER would that be, OP?

You forgot the part of the equation of playing against 6'7" 220 pound white dudes then it equals 21.4

[Bless Mathews]

Can't believe people hatin on ad. M

Dude is a monster.

Getting better and better.

I typed all along top 3 MVP this year.

[CavaliersFTW]

You forgot the part of the equation of playing against 6'7" 235 pound white dudes then it equals 21.4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpTsggmiEkU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKL7y7n5_Rc

Yeah, league back then was stacked with tiny white dudes, def not HOF centers that would make you shit your pants.

[LAZERUSS]

Against 3 times as many teams.

Yeah...can you imagine what carnage a prime Chamberlain would carpet-bomb an NBA with that has 3-4 decent centers in a 30 team league, instead of the numbers he posted against 3-4 HOF centers in a 9-12 team league?

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah...can you imagine what carnage a prime Chamberlain would carpet-bomb an NBA with that has 3-4 decent centers in a 30 team league, instead of the numbers he posted against 3-4 HOF centers in a 9-12 team league?
Public and BSPN wouldn't know how to handle it.. After a few seasons of Wilt shell shocking the modern NBA nearly averaging a quadruple double on staggering points, efficiency, blocks and rebounds I think the league would be all but forced to throw the rule book right at him all over again, just to spare the record book another 50 pages of his name :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Public and BSPN wouldn't know how to handle it.. After a few seasons of Wilt shell shocking the modern NBA nearly averaging a quadruple double on staggering points, efficiency, blocks and rebounds I think the league would be all but forced to throw the rule book right at him all over again, just to spare the record book another 50 pages of his name :lol

:applause:

Keep in mind that the NBA put in SEVERAL "anti-Wilt" Rules (some before he stepped onto an NBA court), in an attempt to curtail his dominance.

But, can you imagine Chamberlain being allowed to play like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

The NBA would be forced to create TWO Rule Books...one being the Chamberlain Record Book, and the other being the Non-Wilt Record Book.

[Asukal]

Public and BSPN wouldn't know how to handle it.. After a few seasons of Wilt shell shocking the modern NBA nearly averaging a quadruple double on staggering points, efficiency, blocks and rebounds I think the league would be all but forced to throw the rule book right at him all over again, just to spare the record book another 50 pages of his name :lol

:applause: :applause: :applause:

He would also proceed to:
- win 2 rings or less.
- drop his regular season ppg by a significant amount in the playoffs and even more in the finals

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[ralph_i_el]

These ****ing Wilt ******s :facepalm He played in an NBA with barely any international players, when no one cared and there was substantially less money in the sport. Players smoked cigs in the locker rooms at half time.

Add all that to the fact that you've all seen such a small percentage of his career because most of the footage doesn't exist/isn't available. He had an overwhelming physical advantage that would not be there on a night to night basis in the league today.

[T_L_P]

These ****ing Wilt ******s :facepalm He played in an NBA with barely any international players, when no one cared and there was substantially less money in the sport. Players smoked cigs in the locker rooms at half time.

Add all that to the fact that you've all seen such a small percentage of his career because most of the footage doesn't exist/isn't available. He had an overwhelming physical advantage that would not be there on a night to night basis in the league today.

But players smoked cigarettes and scored 20 PPG. Therefore they were better than today's players.

Wilt Stan logic. :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

These ****ing Wilt ******s :facepalm He played in an NBA with barely any international players, when no one cared and there was substantially less money in the sport. Players smoked cigs in the locker rooms at half time.

Add all that to the fact that you've all seen such a small percentage of his career because most of the footage doesn't exist/isn't available. He had an overwhelming physical advantage that would not be there on a night to night basis in the league today.


How about Chamberlain in his LAST season, at age 36, and playing on a surgically repaired knee...


vs. Reed in 3 regular season H2H's:

Reed: 12.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, .471 FG%

Wilt: 6.3 ppg, 23.3 rpg, .529 FG%

vs. Reed in 5 Finals' H2H's:

Reed: 16.4 ppg, 9.2 rpg, .493 FG%

Wilt: 11.6 ppg, 18.6 rpg, .525 FG%


vs. Bellamy in 4 H2H's:

Bellamy: 17.0 ppg, 18.0 rpg ( 2 known games), .400 FG% (2 known game)

Wilt: 9.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, .593 FG%


vs. Unseld in 4 H2H's:

Unseld: 12.8 ppg, 15.3 rpg, .481 FG%

Wilt: 12.8 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .769 FG%


vs. McAdoo in 4 H2H's:

McAdoo: 16.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, .450 FG% (3 known games)

Wilt: 20.5 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .850 FG%


vs. Thurmond in 7 regular season H2H's:

Thurmond: 12.3 ppg, 21.6 rpg, .315 FG%

Wilt: 5.1 ppg, 16.6 rpg, .684 FG%

vs. Thurmond in 5 playoff H2H's:

Thurmond: 15.8 ppg, 17.2 rpg, .373 FG%

Wilt: 7.0 ppg, 23.6 rpg, .611 FG%


vs. Lanier in 6 H2H's:

Lanier: 21.2 ppg, 13.4 rpg (5 known games), .374 FG% (5 known games)

Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 16.3 rpg, .764 FG%



vs. Kareem in 6 H2H's:

Kareem: 29.5 ppg, 17.8 rpg, .450 FG%

Wilt: 11.0 ppg, 16.0 rpg, .737 FG%

[ralph_i_el]

How about Chamberlain in his LAST season, at age 36, and playing on a surgically repaired knee...

oh boy those sure are some impressive (inflated) rebound numbers from an era when teams took way more shots in a game than they do today.

How old were you when Wilt retired?

[CavaliersFTW]

These ****ing Wilt ******s :facepalm He played in an NBA with barely any international players, when no one cared and there was substantially less money in the sport. Players smoked cigs in the locker rooms at half time.

Add all that to the fact that you've all seen such a small percentage of his career because most of the footage doesn't exist/isn't available. He had an overwhelming physical advantage that would not be there on a night to night basis in the league today.
Yes it would. :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

oh boy those sure are some impressive (inflated) rebound numbers from an era when teams took way more shots in a game than they do today.

How old were you when Wilt retired?

"Inflated rebound numbers?"

How about this...

In Wilt's LAST post-season, covering 17 games, he averaged 22.5 rpg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 50.6 rpg.

To put that into a better perspective...

In LAST season's playoffs, the NBA averaged 41.6 rpg.

Or, Wilt's rebounding numbers, and again, in his LAST season, and at age 36, would have translated to 18.5 rpg LAST year.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I've grown a greater appreciation for the Wilt trolls since Euroleague got banned. Wish there were maybe two more of you, though. You don't quite garner the same attention, so you need to do it in a bigger group.

Good deal.

[abuC]

Damn the Wilt stans in here are pathetic, if he was as great as you claim you wouldn't have to constantly try and prove how great he was. Do either of you even watch the current NBA, or just grainy footage of a guy you werent alive to watch?

[LAZERUSS]

Damn the Wilt stans in here are pathetic, if he was as great as you claim you wouldn't have to constantly try and prove how great he was. Do either of you even watch the current NBA, or just grainy footage of a guy you werent alive to watch?

I've seen ALL the great centers play since the early 60's...and a prime Chamberlain was easily the best ever.

[juju151111]

I've seen ALL the great centers play since the early 60's...and a prime Chamberlain was easily the best ever.
No he wasn't. Prime includes playoffs right.

[ralph_i_el]

"Inflated rebound numbers?"

How about this...

In Wilt's LAST post-season, covering 17 games, he averaged 22.5 rpg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 50.6 rpg.

To put that into a better perspective...

In LAST season's playoffs, the NBA averaged 41.6 rpg.

Or, Wilt's rebounding numbers, and again, in his LAST season, and at age 36, would have translated to 18.5 rpg LAST year.

you can't use his rpg #'s Vs. the league's average rpg. We have his Total Rebound Percentage (% of possible rebounds he got while he was on the floor) and it was 21.7%. That's an elite number, but is in no way analogous to 18 rpg.

For example, Kevin Love averaged 15.2 rpg in 2010-11. He had a 23.8 TRB% and played 36 mpg.



Honestly, Wilt would probably be a top-5 player in today's NBA. That being said, there's no way in hell he would average over 30ppg or over 15 rpg. Not happening. The only reason I argue with you wilt-stans is because you guys exaggerate to the point that it's disrespectful to today's game.

[plowking]

I've seen ALL the great centers play since the early 60's...and a prime Chamberlain was easily the best ever.

You don't know shit then, if you're going to imply he was "easily" the best ever.

How do you make threads completely unrelated to Wilt about him? Your first post just reeks of pathetic. No one cares about that, or statistical categories Wilt was leading in. The thread is about Anthony Davis, and his statistical dominance today.

Reported.

[Bless Mathews]

You don't know shit then, if you're going to imply he was "easily" the best ever.

How do you make threads completely unrelated to Wilt about him? Your first post just reeks of pathetic. No one cares about that, or statistical categories Wilt was leading in. The thread is about Anthony Davis, and his statistical dominance today.

Reported.


Slayed.


Back to ad

Beastin. Love his game.

[LAZERUSS]

No he wasn't. Prime includes playoffs right.

Yep...

30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, .515 FG% (in post-season NBA's that shot about .420 in that same span), and an almost certainty of 8 bpg.

In those 67 games, 35 of which came against Russell, he had FOUR 50+ point games, THREE of which were the ONLY three ever produced by a "GOAT" candidate in MUST WIN games.

He had entire post-season runs of 28.0 ppg, 29.3 ppg, 33.2 ppg, 34.7 ppg, 35.0 ppg, and 37.0 ppg. Included were playoff series of 37.0 ppg, 37.0 ppg, 38.6 ppg, and 38.7 ppg. Oh, and in that same span...series of 28.0 ppg, 29.2 ppg, 30.1 ppg, 30.5 ppg, and 33.6 ppg against RUSSELL...and a cumulative .507 FG% against him, as well, in that same span (again, in post-season's that shot about .420 in that span.)

He also had post-seasons of 23.0 rpg, 25.2 rpg, 25.8 rpg, 26.6 rpg, 27.2 rpg, 29.1 rpg, and 30.2 rpg in that span. Oh, he outrebounded Russell in all six playoff series H2H's in that time frame, including margins of 5, 5, and 9 rpg.

He also had a post-season average of 22-29-9 .579 in one of them, which included TWO TRIPLE DOUBLE series (one of which was against RUSSELL), of 28-27-11 .617, and 22-32-10 .556.

:bowdown:

[juju151111]

Yep...

30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, .515 FG% (in post-season NBA's that shot about .420 in that same span), and an almost certainty of 8 bpg.

In those 67 games, 35 of which came against Russell, he had FOUR 50+ point games, THREE of which were the ONLY three ever produced by a "GOAT" candidate.

He had entire post-season runs of 28.0 ppg, 29.3 ppg, 33.2 ppg, 34.7 ppg, 35.0 ppg, and 37.0 ppg. Included were playoff series of 37.0 ppg, 37.0 ppg, 38.6 ppg, and 38.7 ppg. Oh, and in that same span...series of 28.0 ppg, 29.2 ppg, 30.1 ppg, 30.5 ppg, and 33.6 ppg against RUSSELL...and a cumulative .507 FG% against him, as well, in that same span (again, in post-season's that shot about .420 in that span.)

He also had post-seasons of 23.0 rpg, 25.2 rpg, 25.8 rpg, 26.6 rpg, 27.2 rpg, 29.1 rpg, and 30.2 rpg in that span. Oh, he outrebounded Russell in all six playoff series H2H's in that time frame, including margins of 5, 5, and 9 rpg.

He also had a post-season average of 22-29-9 .579 in one of them, which included TWO TRIPLE DOUBLE series (one of which was against RUSSELL), of 28-27-11 .617, and 22-32-10 .556.

:bowdown:
Did he win or choke.

[T_L_P]

Did he win or choke.

Choked.

The way he deceives the posters with the TRB # is shameful.

He grabbed about 24% of available rebounds. Translate that into today's pace, even with his 48 MPG (which he obviously wouldn't play today -- the game requires you to actually run up and down the court now), and he'd be a 14-15 RPG player at best.

[Bless Mathews]

Choked.

The way he deceives the posters with the TRB # is shameful.

He grabbed about 24% of available rebounds. Translate that into today's pace, even with his 48 MPG (which he obviously wouldn't play today -- the game requires you to actually run up and down the court now), and he'd be a 14-15 RPG player at best.


Slayed.

[LAZERUSS]

Did he win or choke.

He did win...in a post-season in which he led his team to a rout of the eight-time defending champion Celtics, and in a series in which he carpet-bombed the so-call "GOAT winner."

In his other playoff runs, he single-handedly carried what were LAST PLACE rosters he inherited to game six and game seven losses by margins of 2, and 2 points, to HOF-laden teams that went 59-16 and 60-20. In another one, he single-hnadedly carried a roster that had gone 31-49 the year before to th Finals, where they lost to a Russell's EIGHT HOFers, 4-1, but the last two games were decided in the waning seconds, in a series in which obliterated Russell. And in yet another one, he single-handedly took a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtic team at their peak...in a series in which he hung a 30-31- .555 stat line on Russell.

If that is your definition of "choking", then your boy MJ was doing that often until he had the best supporting cast in the league.

[juju151111]

He did win...in a post-season in which he led his team to a rout of the eight-time defending champion Celtics, and in a series in which he carpet-bombed the so-call "GOAT winner."

In his other playoff runs, he single-handedly carried what were LAST PLACE rosters he inherited to game six and game seven losses by margins of 2, and 2 points, to HOF-laden teams that went 59-16 and 60-20. In another one, he single-hnadedly carried a roster that had gone 31-49 the year before to th Finals, where they lost to a Russell's EIGHT HOFers, 4-1, but the last two games were decided in the waning seconds, in a series in which obliterated Russell. And in yet another one, he single-handedly took a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtic team at their peak...in a series in which he hung a 30-31- .555 stat line on Russell.

If that is your definition of "choking", then your boy MJ was doing that often until he had the best supporting cast in the league.
Last time I checked Mj was 6/6 with 6 finals MVP. Last time I checked Mj led his team with various injuries to the playoffs in 98 at age 35 with a crack knuckle. Pippen basically being dead in the finals and Mj took over unlike Multiple chokes throughout his career Wilt. This guy ppg fell way below his average almost all his postseasons. Made the Ben Wallace of his era use him has a beating stick:oldlol:

[Bless Mathews]

Last time I checked Mj was 6/6 with 6 finals MVP. Last time I checked Mj led his team with various injuries to the playoffs in 98 at age 35 with a crack knuckle. Pippen basically being dead in the finals and Mj took over unlike Multiple chokes throughout his career Wilt. This guy ppg fell way below his average almost all his postseasons. Made the Ben Wallace of his era use him has a beating stick:oldlol:

Slayed

[LAZERUSS]

Choked.

The way he deceives the posters with the TRB # is shameful.

He grabbed about 24% of available rebounds. Translate that into today's pace, even with his 48 MPG (which he obviously wouldn't play today -- the game requires you to actually run up and down the court now), and he'd be a 14-15 RPG player at best.

You want an example of a PRIME Wilt's rebounding?

In the '67 EDF's, and against RUSSELL, he had a 25% rebound rate for the entire SERIES, which included games of outrebounding Russell by margins of 32-15 (120 total available rebounds), 36-21 (128 total rebounds available), and 41-29 (134 total rebounds available.)

Furthermore, he also averaged 21.6 ppg on a .556 FG%, as well as 10.0 apg, for a team that RAN up the floor often enough to score 121 ppg in that series. Oh, and he had a known 29 blocks in four of those five games (or 7.3 bpg), which included a KNOWN QUAD DOUBLE of 24-32-13-12.

Oh, and if the 6-8 Kevin Love could average 15.2 rpg in less than 36 mpg in the NBA a couple of years ago, Chamberlain would have trashed that mark.

[Simple Jack]

Why do people continue to post Wilt, Russell (and other's from the time) stats as if a direct comparison can be used for those stats vs the stats of today?

[inclinerator]

A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0

[LAZERUSS]

Last time I checked Mj was 6/6 with 6 finals MVP. Last time I checked Mj led his team with various injuries to the playoffs in 98 at age 35 with a crack knuckle. Pippen basically being dead in the finals and Mj took over unlike Multiple chokes throughout his career Wilt. This guy ppg fell way below his average almost all his postseasons. Made the Ben Wallace of his era use him has a beating stick:oldlol:

How good were MJ's surrounding players? In the 93-94 season, and withOUT Jordan, the Pippen-led Bulls went 55-27. Furthermore, they lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks,...the same Knicks team that lost a close seven game Finals to the 58-24 Rockets (and they outscored Houston in that series, as well.)

How did MJ do before Pippen arrived?

[juju151111]

How good were MJ's surrounding players? In the 93-94 season, and withOUT Jordan, the Pippen-led Bulls went 55-27. Furthermore, they lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks,...the same Knicks team that lost a close seven game Finals to the 58-24 Rockets (and they outscored Houston in that series, as well.)

How did MJ do before Pippen arrived?
Led his team to the playoffs and then wanted till his team matured enough and went 6/6. He never made to the finals then lost to Ben Wallace of his era. His ppg didn't fall of a cliff come playoff time.

[LAZERUSS]

Last time I checked Mj was 6/6 with 6 finals MVP. Last time I checked Mj led his team with various injuries to the playoffs in 98 at age 35 with a crack knuckle. Pippen basically being dead in the finals and Mj took over unlike Multiple chokes throughout his career Wilt. This guy ppg fell way below his average almost all his postseasons. Made the Ben Wallace of his era use him has a beating stick:oldlol:

This simply cannot be true...

Did MJ shoot .455, .427, and get this... .415 from the floor in his last three Finals?

[iamgine]

:lol There are like 2-3 Wilt stans that keep trying to overrate Wilt for many years now. But sadly no one's buying it.

[BigBoss]

Wilt Chamberlain from 2/8/67 - 2/28/67 (10 games)

32.0 ppg on 74.7FG%,
26.6 rebounds per game
9.3 assists per game
11.6 blocks per game

What PER would that be, OP?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cit_dbz_vegeta_over_nine_thousand.jpg

[Bless Mathews]

How good were MJ's surrounding players? In the 93-94 season, and withOUT Jordan, the Pippen-led Bulls went 55-27. Furthermore, they lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks,...the same Knicks team that lost a close seven game Finals to the 58-24 Rockets (and they outscored Houston in that series, as well.)

How did MJ do before Pippen arrived?


You're a fuccin clown.

Just stfu.

Jordan is goat of all goats.

Wilts a choker and his basketball skill was putrid.

A physical freak for his era that choked.

If he's so good he woulda won more.

Period.

Stfu

Idiot.

[LAZERUSS]

Led his team to the playoffs and then wanted till his team matured enough and went 6/6. He never made to the finals then lost to Ben Wallace of his era. His ppg didn't fall of a cliff come playoff time.

How did he fare against the Prime "Bad Boys" from '88 thru '90. Surely he elevated his scoring and FG% efficiency, and easily led his team to routs of those clowns, right?

Of course, Chamberlain was facing the equivalent of those "Bad Boys" in TEN seasons in his career, including EIGHT playoff series, and all he could do was average 26 ppg, 28 rpg, and shoot .513 against RUSSELL in that span. Oh, and his TEAM lost FOUR game seven's to the greatest dynasty in NBA history by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points...in series in which Wilt either outplayed, or downright crushed Russell.

[juju151111]

This simply cannot be true...

Did MJ shoot .455, .427, and get this... .415 from the floor in his last three Finals?
Wait so you mad?:lol 6/6 Wat is Wilt the Choker finals record. How many times did this choker lose with HCA:lol lose when ur expected to win. Damn choker. 50ppg to 22 ppg in the playoffs:lol :roll: :oldlol: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Wait so you mad?:lol 6/6 Wat is Wilt the Choker finals record. How many times did this choker lose with HCA:lol lose when ur expected to win. Damn choker. 50ppg to 22 ppg in the playoffs:lol :roll: :oldlol: :roll:

Again, how did he do without Pippen (and either Grant or Rodman)? Hell, he never won a title without a quality PF.

[juju151111]

How did he fare against the Prime "Bad Boys" from '88 thru '90. Surely he elevated his scoring and FG% efficiency, and easily led his team to routs of those clowns, right?

Of course, Chamberlain was facing the equivalent of those "Bad Boys" in TEN seasons in his career, including EIGHT playoff series, and all he could do was average 26 ppg, 28 rpg, and shoot .513 against RUSSELL in that span. Oh, and his TEAM lost FOUR game seven's to the greatest dynasty in NBA history by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points...in series in which Wilt either outplayed, or downright crushed Russell.
He did good against them and beat their ass in 91 and all the years after. His ppg didn't fall of a cliff and got destroyed for like 10 years. Lol he a clown

[Psileas]

Stupid thread, and I'm not even including posts beyond the OP.
His PER is constantly falling, game-by-game. Started at 40+, went down to 37+, now it's at 35.7 and he's only 6 games into the season. LeBron has started equally hot in multiple seasons and never got the record. Not to mention that had all stats been measured, Wilt's best performances would have been at the 35 range, anyway.

[juju151111]

Again, how did he do without Pippen (and either Grant or Rodman)? Hell, he never won a title without a quality PF.
He went to the ECF with a role player Pippen. Who cares what you say about Pippen. 6 finals MVP:applause:

[juju151111]

Stupid thread, and I'm not even including posts beyond the OP.
His PER is constantly falling, game-by-game. Started at 40+, went down to 37+, now it's at 35.7 and he's only 6 games into the season. LeBron has started equally hot in multiple seasons and never got the record. Not to mention that had all stats been measured, Wilt's best performances would have been at the 35 range, anyway.
Wilt played in a way different era and had inflated stats.

[LAZERUSS]

He did good against them and beat their ass in 91 and all the years after. His ppg didn't fall of a cliff and got destroyed for like 10 years. Lol he a clown


:roll: :roll: :roll:

His record against Dumars... 1-3.
His record against Bird. 0-2 (0-6 actually.)

At least Chamberlain was dominant against the greatest dynasty, and GOAT defender, in NBA history.

[juju151111]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

His record against Dumars... 1-3.
His record against Bird. 0-2 (0-6 actually.)

At least Chamberlain was dominant against the greatest dynasty, and GOAT defender, in NBA history.
He not great he choked.:oldlol: 50 ppg went to 22ppg. What the actual ****? How did that happen.

[Bless Mathews]

Wilt was a physical freak that had no basketball skills.

Got points and rebounds Cus he could jump over smaller FAR less athletic players.

His stats went considerably down in playoffs.

Jordan is the best combination of skills/athleticism and most importantly the will to win more than any other player in history of sports.

Period.

Anyone that don't know that, and tries to compare the two knows nothing about basketball and should get their poasting privelallages taken away immediately.

How was wilts will to win??

Bwahahahahahaga

That niggah didn't give a FUCC about winning.

Obviously.

[LAZERUSS]

He not great he choked.:oldlol: 50 ppg went to 22ppg. What the actual ****? How did that happen.

COACHING.

Unlike MJ, Wilt did whatever his COACHES asked of him, even if it was clearly wrong.

[Bless Mathews]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

His record against Dumars... 1-3.
His record against Bird. 0-2 (0-6 actually.)

At least Chamberlain was dominant against the greatest dynasty, and GOAT defender, in NBA history.


Bwahahahahahaga

See how you cherry pick Jordan's first few years.

How bout PRIME Jordan?

GTFO.

Get help. Homer.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt was a physical freak that had no basketball skills.

Got points and rebounds Cus he could jump over smaller FAR less athletic players.

His stats went considerably down in playoffs.

Jordan is the best combination of skills/athleticism and most importantly the will to win more than any other player in history of sports.

Period.

Anyone that don't know that, and tries to compare the two knows nothing about basketball and should get their poasting privelallages taken away immediately.

How was wilts will to win??

Bwahahahahahaga

That niggah didn't give a FUCC about winning.

Obviously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

[juju151111]

COACHING.

Unlike MJ, Wilt did whatever his COACHES asked of him, even if it was clearly wrong.
Lmao so you saying Mj never listened to his coach and got 6 rings. Mj is even better then I thought.:lol 50 ppg to 22 ppg. Coaching my ass

[Droid101]

Stupid thread, and I'm not even including posts beyond the OP.
His PER is constantly falling, game-by-game. Started at 40+, went down to 37+, now it's at 35.7 and he's only 6 games into the season. LeBron has started equally hot in multiple seasons and never got the record. Not to mention that had all stats been measured, Wilt's best performances would have been at the 35 range, anyway.
False. Started at 40, fell, fell to 34, and then climbed back up.

What that shows me, is he's probably going to hover around 33-36 this season which would put him with the all time greats.

[Bless Mathews]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak
:lol

Haha.

[Psileas]

False. Started at 40, fell, fell to 34, and then climbed back up.

What that shows me, is he's probably going to hover around 33-36 this season which would put him with the all time greats.

Sorry, but if a 6 game sample "shows" you anything at all, you know nothing about sample sizes. Come back to me when we get to the middle of the season. Good luck to Davis averaging a meager 1.5 foul, 1.2 TO, along with a crapload of steals, 25 ppg, 4+ bpg and 13 rpg throughout the entire season.
Like I said, LeBron has had similar starts and, unsurprisingly, never got there. Been there, done that.

[DatAsh]

Sorry, but if a 6 game sample "shows" you anything at all, you know nothing about sample sizes. Come back to me when we get to the middle of the season. Good luck to Davis averaging a meager 1.5 foul, 1.2 TO, along with a crapload of steals, 25 ppg, 4+ bpg and 13 rpg throughout the entire season.
Like I said, LeBron has had similar starts and, unsurprisingly, never got there. Been there, done that.

This. Very little chance that Davis sustains this.

[Sarcastic]

He probably won't even finish above 28 by the end of the year.

[WallIn]

Looks like AD is bound to be the next NBA superstar

Kobe->Lebron->Durant->Davis

He plays so effortless :applause:

[tgan3]

I remembered there was a rating for PER and the highest was 35 at "one for the ages" Per 30 was runaway MVP candidate, I remembered thinking "one for the ages" was impossible to achieve, but if anyone could Anthony Davis is the man.

[rhowen4]

Dude is averaging 35 PER while doing nothing spectacular rather than playing his own game. I understand that the sample size is small,
a normal person would write this far, then stop and close their browser

[SugarHill]

He probably won't even finish above 28 by the end of the year.

Which is still insane for a 3rd year player of his age.

[ImKobe]

How many games has he played so far? It's just a great stretch to start the season, it's ridiculous to assume he's going to keep this up for an entire season, and that would be for any player in NBA history...

[LAZERUSS]

In his SEVEN games this season...

24.9 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 2.0 apg, 2.3 spg, 4.4 bpg, .548 FG%, .766 FT%.


Garnett, in his 03-04 SEASON...

24.2 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.5 spg, 2.2 bpg, .499 FG%, .791 FT%.


Oh, and KG was first-team all-defense.

Garnett led the NBA in rebounding, while AD is currently leading the NBA in rpg and bpg.

Garnett's PER... 29.4
AD's current PER... 35.2

Sorry but I just don't see much of a difference.


THEN, compare that with any of Chamberlain's seasons from '60 thru '68 (even '69)...where Wilt was RUNNING AWAY with scoring, rebounding, and FG% titles. In fact, Chamberlain was ROUTINELY leading the NBA in 12+ statistical categories, and top-5 in several more each year, as well. And yet, Wilt's HIGH PER was 31.8 (albeit, he achieved it twice.) And Wilt's '66 season, in which he led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and set a then FG% record of .540 (in a league that had an eFG% of .433), with 5.2 apg, and leading the league in another 10 categories...was a 28.3 ??!!



Obviously PER is not a very accurate stat.

[dunksby]

Why is thread hijacking allowed? What the **** Wilt has anything to do with AD?
Back to topic, I personally don't think he will break the record a PER of 30-32 is his best bet.

[Budadiiii]

Looks like AD is bound to be the next NBA superstar

Kobe->Lebron->Durant->Davis

He plays so effortless :applause:
Wade? Dirk? Duncan?

Oh wait..... these guys aren't flashy like Durant..... WAIT..... Durant isn't flashy, so why is he included? Solely because of his basketball presence? His god given ability to put a ball through a hoop has placed him in the same light as the rapists, and the quitters of this world we call

THE NBA!?

[LAZERUSS]

Why is thread hijacking allowed? What the **** Wilt has anything to do with AD?
Back to topic, I personally don't think he will break the record a PER of 30-32 is his best bet.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You don't think he will break the record, BUT, you think he might go for 30-32

BTW, the NBA record is held by.... WILT... at 31.8 (twice.)

[dunksby]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You don't think he will break the record, BUT, you think he might go for 30-32

BTW, the NBA record is held by.... WILT... at 31.8 (twice.)
Yea my bad, I don't care about PER as much as others anyway. I thought the record was 37 or something, not a stat geek I'd rather watch the games and decide who is better.

[ImKobe]

Yea my bad, I don't care about PER as much as others anyway. I thought the record was 37 or something, not a stat geek I'd rather watch the games and decide who is better.

I think 39 is the high for Playoffs by Hakeem, regular season is 31.82 and 31.74 by Wilt, followed by 31.71 by MJ

[retaxis]

Only thing that matters is the ring and the FMVP. Everything else is just for show.

[ImKobe]

Only thing that matters is the ring and the FMVP. Everything else is just for show.

Winning it all is the ultimate goal and for a lot of players, the only goal they care about.

You think players care about breaking a PER record, when they won't be hoisting the LOB at the end of the season? You don't get trophies for PER or WS/48. Lebron or AD can win the "PER title" while Kobe takes home a scoring title, an actual accolade :rockon:

[blacknapalm]

This. Very little chance that Davis sustains this.

ok, even if he doesn't keep that up, isn't he a lock for a 20+/10+/4+? the first two seem the most likely. the blocks should sustain when he keeps having these crazy 6-9 block games. if he holds that up, he'll be in company with only hakeem, kareem and d-rob.

i'd also side on the fact that he'd average closer to 24+/12+/4+/2+ which would only put him in hakeem territory. he's 21 and only getting better.

[Sarcastic]

ok, even if he doesn't keep that up, isn't he a lock for a 20+/10+/4+? the first two seem the most likely. the blocks should sustain when he keeps having these crazy 6-9 block games. if he holds that up, he'll be in company with only hakeem, kareem and d-rob.

i'd also side on the fact that he'd average closer to 24+/12+/4+/2+ which would only put him in hakeem territory. he's 21 and only getting better.


Wat? Pretty sure Wilt averaged that easily, and would have the blocks if they were counted back then. Pat Ewing averaged that as well.

[secund2nun]

Anthony Davis is a historic player. We are seeing the next Duncan, Lebron, KG, Shaq level player. They don't come around often.

He should have won rookie of the year instead everyone was drooling over overrated Lillard because of their PG fetish.

[JohnMax]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

[Derivative]

What did I tell you all? His PER now has actually increased to 37.

[LAZERUSS]

What did I tell you all? His PER now has actually increased to 37.

Yep...might shatter 100 this year.

[Jacks3]

:lol

[ThatCoolKid]

During his second season in Miami, Lebron was above the PER record for over half of a season. It's very hard to sustain, I doubt AD is breaking the record.

[-23-]

In his SEVEN games this season...

24.9 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 2.0 apg, 2.3 spg, 4.4 bpg, .548 FG%, .766 FT%.


Garnett, in his 03-04 SEASON...

24.2 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.5 spg, 2.2 bpg, .499 FG%, .791 FT%.


Oh, and KG was first-team all-defense.

Garnett led the NBA in rebounding, while AD is currently leading the NBA in rpg and bpg.

Garnett's PER... 29.4
AD's current PER... 35.2

Sorry but I just don't see much of a difference.


THEN, compare that with any of Chamberlain's seasons from '60 thru '68 (even '69)...where Wilt was RUNNING AWAY with scoring, rebounding, and FG% titles. In fact, Chamberlain was ROUTINELY leading the NBA in 12+ statistical categories, and top-5 in several more each year, as well. And yet, Wilt's HIGH PER was 31.8 (albeit, he achieved it twice.) And Wilt's '66 season, in which he led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and set a then FG% record of .540 (in a league that had an eFG% of .433), with 5.2 apg, and leading the league in another 10 categories...was a 28.3 ??!!



Obviously PER is not a very accurate stat.

Pace adjusted you ****ing retard. Wilt played 48.2MPG that season and played in blowouts too. **** you.

[Droid101]

AD is leading the league in blocks and steals. WTF is that?? Has that ever happened before in the modern era?

[dunksby]

AD is leading the league in blocks and steals. WTF is that?? Has that ever happened before in the modern era?
With this sample size? Probably Hakeem and AK47 off the top of my head.

[sd3035]

AD is already much better than Wilt ever was

[LAZERUSS]

AD is already much better than Wilt ever was

Using PER, he is already much better than MJ ever was, as well.

[LAZERUSS]

Pace adjusted you ****ing retard. Wilt played 48.2MPG that season and played in blowouts too. **** you.

You know what is so amazing about some of Chamberlain's seasons? You could basically cut his production in HALF, and you would get what AD is posting in today's NBA.

And being an 0bvious MJ fan, don't you find it fascinating that AD's numbers in this atom-splitting sample size of a season so far, is just blowing away Jordan's greatest season? And doing so with numbers that are basically the equivalent of Garnett's 03-04 season?

[coin24]

AD beasting, love watching him play:rockon:

Shame half his team are retarded, and the coach is as useless as a mans tit:facepalm

[Psileas]

AD is already much better than Wilt ever was

Newsflash: Wilt did not retire in 1956, when he was at the same level with current Davis.

[Darius]

This dude is a fvcking beast. I think he can do it.

His size, wing span + fluidity is astronomical. It's like he is some kind of alien.

[plowking]

Newsflash: Wilt did not retire in 1956, when he was at the same level with current Davis.

Do you seriously believe that?

[deja vu]

AD is already much better than Wilt ever was
Stop trolling.

Let's wait until AD makes the playoffs first.

He has to win rings too before saying that stupid shit.

If AD can win several rings without choking as much as Wilt in the post season then we can compare.

[Pointguard]

ok, even if he doesn't keep that up, isn't he a lock for a 20+/10+/4+? the first two seem the most likely. the blocks should sustain when he keeps having these crazy 6-9 block games. if he holds that up, he'll be in company with only hakeem, kareem and d-rob.

i'd also side on the fact that he'd average closer to 24+/12+/4+/2+ which would only put him in hakeem territory. he's 21 and only getting better.
Pretty sure Duncan did this before and I know KG did.

[ArbitraryWater]

League in good hands at the top with Davis/Durant

Man, if they team up at some point.... shut down the league.

[MixedUp]

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[Droid101]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/hyOdIr8UelI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c0b5760049eb158f7bd689ba9d9f757a/tumblr_ms0v46Kqrt1sgxdsio1_500.png

[Genaro]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/hyOdIr8UelI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
There you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyOdIr8UelI

[OldSchoolBBall]

Pretty sure Duncan did this before and I know KG did.

It's 4 blocks and 2 steals, not 4 assists. Neither Duncan nor KG did this.

[Pointguard]

It's 4 blocks and 2 steals, not 4 assists. Neither Duncan nor KG did this. OK, I see.
Later in the year, that number is coming down without doubt. Once he's mastered pacing, it will be interesting. They are almost good enough to contend for that last playoff spot (with OKC and the Lakers possibly out of it). When the games mean more, he will be more conservative. Next year he might have a shot at it. First ten games are adrenaline and priorities haven't kicked in. Four is a high number to maintain. He is very impressive and I wouldn't bet against him.

Watching him and Hakeem is very different.

[-23-]

You know what is so amazing about some of Chamberlain's seasons? You could basically cut his production in HALF, and you would get what AD is posting in today's NBA.

And being an 0bvious MJ fan, don't you find it fascinating that AD's numbers in this atom-splitting sample size of a season so far, is just blowing away Jordan's greatest season? And doing so with numbers that are basically the equivalent of Garnett's 03-04 season?


I watch the game and appreciate AD's game. I would LOVE to see the league return to its glory days.

[tontoz]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/hyOdIr8UelI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


First post on ISH and this is the best you can do? :facepalm

Nice username though lol.

[Bless Mathews]

League in good hands at the top with Davis/Durant

Man, if they team up at some point.... shut down the league.

Dat beta bron mentality.

[blacknapalm]

Pretty sure Duncan did this before and I know KG did.

KG never averaged more than 3 bpg or 2 spg in a single season so no. duncan's career high in bpg is 2.9 and spg is 0.9

[Psileas]

Do you seriously believe that?

As a reminder, Wilt was only 1 year younger than current Davis back in 1956 and had hit his final height. It's not as if I'm comparing a mid-teen Wilt to Davis here. Here's the biggest advantage that Davis has, due to his era: He's already a pro.
One thing is for sure, current Davis is not "better than Wilt ever was". Surprisingly, even if his final PER says so (and it probably won't).

[Pointguard]

KG never averaged more than 3 bpg or 2 spg in a single season so no. duncan's career high in bpg is 2.9 and spg is 0.9
Addressed in post 101.

Duncan has done it over a ten game span tho.

A couple of Great ten game spans, at the moment it is this and nothing else:

Tim Duncan 23-05-2003 to 15-06-2003 (playoff games!!):
24.1 ppg
17.2 rpg
5.5 apg
1.0 spg
4.6 bpg
.514 FG%
.648 FT%

David Robinson 08-02-1994 to 02-03-1994
31.2 ppg
10.6 rpg
7.1 apg
2.0 spg
4.9 bpg
.516 FG%
.250 3P%
.733 FT%

Wilt went 60ppg and 25 rebounds over a ten game period.

But my hats off to Anthony Davis.

[CavaliersFTW]

Addressed in post 101.

Duncan has done it over a ten game span tho.

A couple of Great ten game spans, at the moment it is this and nothing else:

Tim Duncan 23-05-2003 to 15-06-2003 (playoff games!!):
24.1 ppg
17.2 rpg
5.5 apg
1.0 spg
4.6 bpg
.514 FG%
.648 FT%

David Robinson 08-02-1994 to 02-03-1994
31.2 ppg
10.6 rpg
7.1 apg
2.0 spg
4.9 bpg
.516 FG%
.250 3P%
.733 FT%

Wilt went 60ppg and 25 rebounds over a ten game period.

But my hats off to Anthony Davis.

Also:
Wilt Chamberlain from 2/8/67 - 2/28/67 (10 games)

32.0 ppg on 74.7FG%,
26.6 rebounds per game
9.3 assists per game
11.6 blocks per game

Nearly a 30 point 25 rebound quadruple double average on 75% :eek:

Probably at least a steal per game in there too given his defensive energy in '67

[dunksby]

Why is thread hijacking allowed? What the **** Wilt has anything to do with AD?
Back to topic, I personally don't think he will break the record a PER of 30-32 is his best bet.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You don't think he will break the record, BUT, you think he might go for 30-32

BTW, the NBA record is held by.... WILT... at 31.8 (twice.)

Yea my bad, I don't care about PER as much as others anyway. I thought the record was 37 or something, not a stat geek I'd rather watch the games and decide who is better.

Player Efficiency Rating
1. Anthony Davis ▪ NOP 30.8
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[wang4three]

Make the playoffs.

Love 2.0.

Willing your team to wins is something that will always be more valuable than any statistic.

He did last year?

[Psileas]

Sorry, but if a 6 game sample "shows" you anything at all, you know nothing about sample sizes. Come back to me when we get to the middle of the season. Good luck to Davis averaging a meager 1.5 foul, 1.2 TO, along with a crapload of steals, 25 ppg, 4+ bpg and 13 rpg throughout the entire season.
Like I said, LeBron has had similar starts and, unsurprisingly, never got there. Been there, done that.

Seems I was right after all, eh? :confusedshrug:

Also, on a previous post:


Choked.

Wrong. Nothing validates this.


The way he deceives the posters with the TRB # is shameful.

He grabbed about 24% of available rebounds. Translate that into today's pace, even with his 48 MPG (which he obviously wouldn't play today -- the game requires you to actually run up and down the court now), and he'd be a 14-15 RPG player at best.

Wrong again. Try 21 rpg at 48 mpg. He'd only need about 32 mpg to grab 14 rpg.

[swagga]

Seems I was right after all, eh? :confusedshrug:

Also, on a previous post:



Wrong. Nothing validates this.



Wrong again. Try 21 rpg at 48 mpg. He'd only need about 32 mpg to grab 14 rpg.

pace... the bane of all 60s fans.

[warriorfan]

pace... the bane of all 60s fans.

How funny is it when Cavs and Laz post stats about 25+ rebounds per game and coincidentally neglect to mention the pace... Dudes are shady :lol

[T_L_P]

How funny is it when Cavs and Laz post stats about 25+ rebounds per game and coincidentally neglect to mention the pace... Dudes are shady :lol

And when you mention Walt Bellamy's 32/19 rookie season, they say it doesn't count because his team sucked.

How come the players on the Sixers, Knicks or Magic aren't dropping insanely inflated stats?

[kshutts1]

How funny is it when Cavs and Laz post stats about 25+ rebounds per game and coincidentally neglect to mention the pace... Dudes are shady :lol
Pace obviously matters, and it matters a ton. But it's not linear like some people like to claim, and playing under a high pace yields its own issues that let the athletes showcase different strengths than current athletes.

[Psileas]

Pace obviously matters, and it matters a ton. But it's not linear like some people like to claim, and playing under a high pace yields its own issues that let the athletes showcase different strengths than current athletes.

Funny thing is, I DID account for pace. A 24% rate is the equivalent of 21 rpg at today's pace. Wilt, especially in the playoffs, was an elite rebounder regardless of pace and the fact that some even thought I hadn't considered it is the best evidence.

[ralph_i_el]

Funny thing is, I DID account for pace. A 24% rate is the equivalent of 21 rpg at today's pace. Wilt, especially in the playoffs, was an elite rebounder regardless of pace and the fact that some even thought I hadn't considered it is the best evidence.

yeah, if you actually believe he'd be playing 45mpg today...

[CavaliersFTW]

yeah, if you actually believe he'd be playing 45mpg today...
If he played for Phil Jackson he would have played just as much as he did in his own era. Phil Jackson even challenged Shaq to do what Wilt did in 1962 (play every minute.), he said Shaq lasted for about 8 games before he asked to go back to being given rest.

Just because nobody is capable of playing 45-48mpg today doesn't mean Wilt wouldn't or couldn't get a green light to do it all over again in this era.

[warriorfan]

Anthony Davis making the Ilt stans feel some type of way

[Psileas]

yeah, if you actually believe he'd be playing 45mpg today...

Ιn the playoffs? No doubt he'd be able to have multiple 45 mpg postseasons.

[bobopenguin]

hypocrites everywhere.

all of u would trade all superstars in ur team to get anthony davis. that's how good he is.

i dont even think pelicans would take KD straight up. it would be KD + pick or Lebron + pick for Anthony Davis.

[LAZERUSS]

Player Efficiency Rating
1. Anthony Davis ▪ NOP 30.8
:oldlol: :oldlol:

And here was MY quote...


Originally Posted by LAZERUSS


You don't think he will break the record, BUT, you think he might go for 30-32

BTW, the NBA record is held by.... WILT... at 31.8 (twice.)

Notice the BOLDED 32????

And what was YOUR quote?


You don't think he will break the record, BUT, you think he might go for 30-32

The NBA RECORD is 31.8 (of course...held by Wilt.) 32 would have been a record.

Next...

[LAZERUSS]

pace... the bane of all 60s fans.

Ok, I'll play along...

The league PACE in the 2014-15 season was 93.9.

The league PACE in the 1961-62 season was 126.2.

Let's do a little math, shall we?

The league PACE in '62 was 34% higher than the league PACE in '62, right?

Anthony Davis averaged 24.4 ppg and 10.2 rpg in '15.

So, let's multiply those numbers by the '62 PACE...

32.8 ppg and 13.7 rpg.

Impressive to be sure.


Now, how about Wilt's ACTUAL averages in that 61-62 season...

50.4 ppg and 25.7 rpg!!!!!!!!!!!!


PACE...something the "bashers" STILL can't overcome.

[LAZERUSS]

Ιn the playoffs? No doubt he'd be able to have multiple 45 mpg postseasons.

EASILY...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/mp_per_g_yearly_p.html

Of course, in REALITY, Wilt averaged... 47.2 MPG...in the course of his 160 playoff games. Again... AVERAGED.

[dunksby]

And here was MY quote...



Notice the BOLDED 32????

And what was YOUR quote?



The NBA RECORD is 31.8 (of course...held by Wilt.) 32 would have been a record.

Next...
I said 30-32 and you flipped like I insulted your boyfriend while Davis finished with 30.8, so go **** yourself.