Andre Drummond so far this season......

[andremiller07]

8.6 on 41% despite being a garbage man
and 10 boards while playing below average defense and having less offensive game than Reggie Evans. 3 assists to 14 turnover and 37% from the free throw line.

The dude at this point can literally only jump and run that's his whole skillset. The hype this guy was getting last year................

[Xover]

and monroe signs the QO :cheers:

[Budadiiii]

No confidence since Jennette McCurdy outed him.

:violin:

[dunksby]

I had high hopes for him, looks like he skipped the offseason.

[D-FENS]

8.6 on 41% despite being a garbage man
and 10 boards while playing below average defense and having less offensive game than Reggie Evans. 3 assists to 14 turnover and 37% from the free throw line.

The dude at this point can literally only jump and run that's his whole skillset. The hype this guy was getting last year................

He needs a point guard

[Rake2204]

Having watched each game so far, Drummond has been plagued by foul trouble and his pick-and-roll bunny lobs haven't flowed like wine as they did the last two years. I think Stan Van Gundy's strategic alterations (along with teams understanding Drummond likes to jump & catch things) have both played a role there.

As such, without the 2-4 dunk lobs per game, he's been left with 1-3 post move attempts (with about a 20-33% success rate, because he's still an awful post player) and putbacks or attempts via dropoff in the vicinity of the rim. He actually has pretty bad touch. His shooting percentage last year came via finishing within an inch of the rim, which is okay, but if he's not getting that, he struggles.

SVG also reports that he's been slow on picking up the system. Slow on his defensive rotations, slow on last second adjustments. Apparently the nuance of SVG's system, as opposed to the simplicity and "just play" ethos of Mo Cheeks has been a tough adjustment.

Also, Drummond remains slow-footed defensively. He's a huge body that can rise up into the air, but it takes a while for him to get off the ground, making him a much worse shot-blocking threat than he could be.

[Haymaker]

So SVG is back at coaching another skill-less athletic big.

[ImKobe]

literally all he can do on a consistent basis is rebound and dunk, and he's even been bad at that so far this season...

[Rake2204]

So SVG is back at coaching another skill-less athletic big.Andre Drummond may be less athletic and less offensively-skilled than Dwight Howard was at this point. I like Andre, but his offensive touch is rough.

[3peated]

lets have him beheaded

[sundog67]

Trading Will Bynum lowered Drummond's ppg. The two of them had great chemistry and having them on the floor together was a guaranteed 10+ points off lobs.

I'm not sure what the SVG system entails but any coach will tweak his system to best put his players in a position to win. The current Pistons are obviously a work in progress...which is at least better than the past couple years where they'd mostly just been losers.

We're still losers but the gap is closing.

[Rake2204]

Trading Will Bynum lowered Drummond's ppg. The two of them had great chemistry and having them on the floor together was a guaranteed 10+ points off lobs.

I'm not sure what the SVG system entails but any coach will tweak his system to best put his players in a position to win. The current Pistons are obviously a work in progress...which is at least better than the past couple years where they'd mostly just been losers.

We're still losers but the gap is closing.Shooting from the hip, but I wonder if SVG's system doesn't believe as much in pulling Drummond away from the hoop for those pick & rolls. Or maybe he's just trying to get Andre to develop a little, as opposed to just being a one trick pony. I've noticed he's now getting 1-3 post looks every game and he's being put in new offensive positions otherwise. As such, it's rough to watch, but maybe good for his development.

[CelticBaller]

Keep hating on the next big thing :confusedshrug:

[Charlie Sheen]

Keep hating on the next big thing :confusedshrug:

that's what OP does. he's got some twisted view of reality where Drummond is the reason why Cousins doesn't get his proper shine. I don't personally see how bitterness is a good way to enjoy sports, but it's his life :confusedshrug:

[Jumpman10135]

I had high hopes for him, looks like he skipped the offseason.
he played team USA bro...


It's early still though guys... I'll start switching my opinion on him if he keeps this up through the start of December.

[RedBlackAttack]

Having watched each game so far, Drummond has been plagued by foul trouble and his pick-and-roll bunny lobs haven't flowed like wine as they did the last two years. I think Stan Van Gundy's strategic alterations (along with teams understanding Drummond likes to jump & catch things) have both played a role there.

As such, without the 2-4 dunk lobs per game, he's been left with 1-3 post move attempts (with about a 20-33% success rate, because he's still an awful post player) and putbacks or attempts via dropoff in the vicinity of the rim. He actually has pretty bad touch. His shooting percentage last year came via finishing within an inch of the rim, which is okay, but if he's not getting that, he struggles.

SVG also reports that he's been slow on picking up the system. Slow on his defensive rotations, slow on last second adjustments. Apparently the nuance of SVG's system, as opposed to the simplicity and "just play" ethos of Mo Cheeks has been a tough adjustment.

Also, Drummond remains slow-footed defensively. He's a huge body that can rise up into the air, but it takes a while for him to get off the ground, making him a much worse shot-blocking threat than he could be.
Just stopped in to say, nice post. I appreciate it. For the people like me who haven't had the time or opportunity to watch the Pistons yet but would like some analysis beyond "he sux," it is a breath of fresh air to see some actual breakdowns of Drummond's game or lack thereof. :cheers:

He's the kind of player who needs to play alongside really good playmakers and floor spacers, which would set him up and give him room to do what he does. The Pistons just seem to have too much going on in the paint with this roster for Drummond to really succeed offensively.

[Rake2204]

Just stopped in to say, nice post. I appreciate it. For the people like me who haven't had the time or opportunity to watch the Pistons yet but would like some analysis beyond "he sux," it is a breath of fresh air to see some actual breakdowns of Drummond's game or lack thereof. :cheers:

He's the kind of player who needs to play alongside really good playmakers and floor spacers, which would set him up and give him room to do what he does. The Pistons just seem to have too much going on in the paint with this roster for Drummond to really succeed offensively.Glad I could be of assistance. I think he's sort of akin to a less explosive DeAndre Jordan right now, but in a different offensive scheme than what Jordan's working with in Los Angeles, combined with a point guard (Jennings) who isn't wonderful at running the pick & rolls Andre had become so proficient at finishing.

I've also wondered about a possible post-Olympic hangover. Making a national team can make a player feel pretty good, like he'd reached the top, so a part of me wonders if he came into the season even slightly feeling as though his dominance may be a foregone conclusion. People have been saying really great things about him for at least the past year. He could have heard that. So perhaps he felt he was due to be great then struggled to deal with struggling.

[Charlie Sheen]

Having watched each game so far, Drummond has been plagued by foul trouble and his pick-and-roll bunny lobs haven't flowed like wine as they did the last two years. I think Stan Van Gundy's strategic alterations (along with teams understanding Drummond likes to jump & catch things) have both played a role there.

As such, without the 2-4 dunk lobs per game, he's been left with 1-3 post move attempts (with about a 20-33% success rate, because he's still an awful post player) and putbacks or attempts via dropoff in the vicinity of the rim. He actually has pretty bad touch. His shooting percentage last year came via finishing within an inch of the rim, which is okay, but if he's not getting that, he struggles.

SVG also reports that he's been slow on picking up the system. Slow on his defensive rotations, slow on last second adjustments. Apparently the nuance of SVG's system, as opposed to the simplicity and "just play" ethos of Mo Cheeks has been a tough adjustment.

Also, Drummond remains slow-footed defensively. He's a huge body that can rise up into the air, but it takes a while for him to get off the ground, making him a much worse shot-blocking threat than he could be.

Pistons are gonna be better for it in the long run. Protecting him isn't the way to develop him properly. Keeping that "he has potential" mentality around is bad for dude. It's a security blanket.

Hell he doesn't even have to be Dwight on offense. Mastering one post move can turn him into a good offensive player. Don't believe me? Plenty of people forget the critical role Buddha played on that Detroit offense. He had this sweet turnaround fade that was unguardable without sending the double. Drummond doesn't have to put up 20 points a night for an offense to run thru him. Stats are going to be what he's measured by fans and media tho. It's a shame. Trying to fit him into a certain profile.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I would do terrible, terrible things to get him on a team with Rondo.

[sundog67]

FWIW (nothing) I think SVG is still feeling out the team. He's been toying with the Smith-Monroe-Drummond starting front court for the last few games even though I seem to remember him making a point to start 2 out of the 3. This last game was Jennings dominant while others have been DJ or even Josh Smith setting up the majority of the plays.

The season is still early so barring any personnel change things are bound to develop and improve. Meeks coming back will put some extra points on the board too.

[andremiller07]

He needs a point guard
Translation: all he can do is run and jump

[andremiller07]

Stats are going to be what he's measured by fans and media tho. It's a shame. Trying to fit him into a certain profile.
I have actually watched 4-5 Pistons games this year and I didn't even know his stats were bad till I looked them up, just by watching I thought wow he's playing awful. He's getting trashed by his man and his rotations on D are awful and painfully slow. It has nothing to do with stats I just at this point in time don't see any basketball skills that he has. He's not even a good rim protector for a guy his size and athletic ability.

Greg Monroe on the other hand might be the most disrespected player in the NBA cannot believe the Pistons did not extend him, he's a beast.

[dunksby]

he played team USA bro...


It's early still though guys... I'll start switching my opinion on him if he keeps this up through the start of December.
Not saying I have given up on him, hoping he picks it up and gets rolling. Not all bigs gotta have a refined post game to be relevant, as long as he finishes his shots and pulls down rebounds at a high rate on offense he is alright in my book. I think he could become a good defensive specialist and paint presence to complement Monroe.

[NuggetsFan]

I've only seen one Pistons game but it's been 8 games. He had an 8 game stretch last year where he averaged 18/17. Looks like he's been in foul trouble so less minutes = less production. Still blocking shots and bringing down 10+ rebounds. Offensively I don't think anybody would ever call him anything but raw at 21 years old.

1/8 games I saw he still looked like he did last year, a young big with tons of potential. As always could go either way with guys like that.

[ImKobe]

Keep hating on the next big thing :confusedshrug:

Next big thing? He'll make some all-star teams and be a nice piece on a good roster, but he doesn't have the offense to be the next big thing.

I remember back in 06-07, when people told me to wait until D12 learns how to play in the post, how he'll be as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem...

here we are 7-8 years later, he's still the same player :oldlol:

[Ariza4three]

And people say this guy is better than Vucevic. He's terrible.

[Rake2204]

I've only seen one Pistons game but it's been 8 games. He had an 8 game stretch last year where he averaged 18/17. Looks like he's been in foul trouble so less minutes = less production. Still blocking shots and bringing down 10+ rebounds. Offensively I don't think anybody would ever call him anything but raw at 21 years old.

1/8 games I saw he still looked like he did last year, a young big with tons of potential. As always could go either way with guys like that.There's been issues beyond the foul trouble - andremiller07 was pretty on point in that regard. Though, you're also right - it's only been 8 games.

Grantland had a good article on him the other day: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/andre-drummond-detroit-pistons/

[CelticBaller]

Next big thing? He'll make some all-star teams and be a nice piece on a good roster, but he doesn't have the offense to be the next big thing.

I remember back in 06-07, when people told me to wait until D12 learns how to play in the post, how he'll be as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem...

here we are 7-8 years later, he's still the same player :oldlol:
Wait? are seriously saying Dwight isn't a big thing? Best center in the league? the guy led a ****ing team to the finals and he isn't shit? If drummond turns out exactly like howard he's going directly into the hall of fame, first ballot btw

Stay off that lakers kool aid

[CelticBaller]

And people say this guy is better than Vucevic. He's terrible.
the dude is like 3 years younger than him, more athletic and already plays better d :confusedshrug:

[Ariza4three]

the dude is like 3 years younger than him, more athletic and already plays better d :confusedshrug:
The defense comment is arguable. The only thing Drummond has over vucevic is that he's more athletic. That's it.

[beastee]

Yep. Biggest disappointment of the year for me. I really was shocked how bad his effort was in the Bulls game last week. Between him, Chucker Smith and Monroe, that may be the worst assemblage of potential frontcourt talent ever. Each of these guys could be an all-star and even "the guy" on individual teams, but together they SUCK.

[FKAri]

lets have him beheaded

ya. why dont we just kill him? :confusedshrug: