LeBron ball made Bosh a much better player

[Hey Yo]

2009-2010 Bosh was 8-22 on the season from 3pt land in Toronto.

2014-15 Bosh (only 8 games played) is 10-28 from 3pt land. He's already passed his makes from his last year in Toronto in 3pt attempts.

LeBron ball made Bosh a more versatile player. Much better defender than he was in Toronto and a deep threat from 3pt land that stretches the floor.

LeBron made Bosh better.

[chazzy]

So after a couple weeks of Bosh playing well, this is what the "family" came up with?

[Hey Yo]

So after a couple weeks of Bosh playing well, this is what the "family" came up with?
Not part of any family. I call my own shots, yo

[magnax1]

Bait so weak it doesnt even count as bait.

[3ball]

2009-2010 Bosh was 8-22 on the season from 3pt land in Toronto.

2014-15 Bosh (only 8 games played) is 10-28 from 3pt land. He's already passed his makes from his last year in Toronto in 3pt attempts.

LeBron ball made Bosh a more versatile player. Much better defender than he was in Toronto and a deep threat from 3pt land that stretches the floor.

LeBron made Bosh better.

lebron-ball prevented bosh from playing to his strengths as a playmaker, so his numbers cratered alongside lebron.

lebron-ball is more of a stat-padding experiment than a strategy to win games.


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[Hey Yo]

lebron-ball prevented bosh from playing to his strengths as a playmaker, so his numbers cratered alongside lebron.

lebron-ball is more of a stat-padding experiment than a strategy to win games.


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2009-2010 Bosh was 8-22 on the season from 3pt land in Toronto.

2014-15 Bosh (only 8 games played) is 10-28 from 3pt land. He's already passed his makes from his last year in Toronto in 3pt attempts.

LeBron ball made Bosh a more versatile player. Much better defender than he was in Toronto and a deep threat from 3pt land that stretches the floor.

LeBron made Bosh better.

[Droid101]

What a shit thread by a shit poster.

Bosh goes back to playing well as he did as a Raptor and this idiot thinks LeBron somehow helped him? :lol

[Hey Yo]

What a shit thread by a shit poster.

Bosh goes back to playing well as he did as a Raptor and this idiot thinks LeBron somehow helped him? :lol
Bosh was never the defensive player or more of 3pt threat when he was with Toronto than he is now.

You're a dope. Go to bed.

[Sarcastic]

You can't honestly believe this shit can you?

[Budadiiii]

So I guess when LeBron starts playing well, we can say the same for Bosh.

He made LeBron better.

And when your mom cuts off your internet for the day, we at ISH can celebrate... you filthy feline loving f7ggot

Don't you have the morning shift at McDonalds tomorrow? What are you doing up so late?

-20four

[JT123]

Lebron makes everyone better. By leaving the Heat this summer he forced Wade to work on his outside shooting, and Wade now appears to be a somewhat decent 3 point shooter for the first time in is career. :applause:
Every player should be so lucky as to experience at least one year of Lebron ball.

[Hey Yo]

So I guess when LeBron starts playing well, we can say the same for Bosh.

He made LeBron better.

And when your mom cuts off your internet for the day, we at ISH can celebrate... you filthy feline loving f7ggot

Don't you have the morning shift at McDonalds tomorrow? What are you doing up so late?

-20four
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[Hey Yo]

You can't honestly believe this shit can you?
What did I post that wasn't factual?

People call it LeBron ball as if there was no system in place in Miami. That LeBron did what he wanted and scoffed at the idea of listening to Spo.

Except there was a system in place that lead to Bosh being a more versatile player than he's ever been after James left.

[Droid101]

Except there was a system in place that lead to Bosh being a more versatile player than he's ever been after James left.
:roll:

Bosh did shit while he was playing with LeBron. Career lows in everything.

Bron gone now? Bosh is at his highest PER, ppg/rbpg/everything since his Toronto days.

You're seriously trying to say that LeBron taught him how to remember how to play the way he did before he joined LeBron? Is that your angle here? :roll:

[Budadiiii]

What did I post that wasn't factual?

People call it LeBron ball as if there was no system in place in Miami. That LeBron did what he wanted and scoffed at the idea of listening to Spo.

Except there was a system in place that lead to Bosh being a more versatile player than he's ever been after James left.
Then why are you giving LeBron credit and not Spo?

You're trolling doesn't even match up. Sad to see.

[Mr. Jabbar]

So after a couple weeks of Bosh playing well, this is what the "family" came up with?

:roll:

[plowking]

Where has this Lebron ball holding Bosh back bullshit spurred from?

Dude was the 3rd option on the big 3 teams, and rightfully so, he was the 3rd best player. He is now the 1st option, since he surpassed Wade, or is there about equal, hence he gets the most shots.

As far as rebounding goes? That has nothing to do with Bron. Bosh is grabbing a little more, but give it a season and we'll see where he ends up.

[STATUTORY]

Where has this Lebron ball holding Bosh back bullshit spurred from?

Dude was the 3rd option on the big 3 teams, and rightfully so, he was the 3rd best player. He is now the 1st option, since he surpassed Wade, or is there about equal, hence he gets the most shots.

As far as rebounding goes? That has nothing to do with Bron. Bosh is grabbing a little more, but give it a season and we'll see where he ends up.
self proclaimed "Heat" fan defending a player that dumped his team like its got ebolas and trashing the best player on the Heat

:roll: :roll: can't make this shit up

[Hey Yo]

Then why are you giving LeBron credit and not Spo?

You're trolling doesn't even match up. Sad to see.
Because people troll as if there was no system. That Lebron (not spo) made Bosh the 3rd option which isn't true.

5yrs later, Bosh is now the 1st option again and a much bigger threat and player to be reckoned with on both sides of the court than he ever was in Toronto.

[Droid101]

5yrs later, Bosh is now the 1st option again and a much bigger threat and player to be reckoned with on both sides of the court than he ever was in Toronto.
:roll:

You are killing me man. This is hilarious.

[3ball]

Where has this Lebron ball holding Bosh back bullshit spurred from?


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Dude was the 3rd option on the big 3 teams, and rightfully so, he was the 3rd best player.

he was the 3rd option, but 24/12 down to 16/6 is too big a drop-off by any measure... lebron-ball reduced him from a versatile superstar to a role player.. rich man's matt bonner... all so lebron could get his.




As far as rebounding goes? That has nothing to do with Bron. Bosh is grabbing a little more, but give it a season and we'll see where he ends up.
it 100% has to do with lebron... bosh's offensive rebounds have almost doubled from 1.2 to 2.1 per game, because he isn't being forced to hang out at the 3-point line as much.

in toronto, his offensive rebounds were 2.9, so he could get back up there still.

[plowking]

self proclaimed "Heat" fan defending a player that dumped his team like its got ebolas and trashing the best player on the Heat

:roll: :roll: can't make this shit up

I'm not defending anyone. I'm just understanding the logic.

Bosh with Bron in the team was averaging 18/8 per 36 minutes as a 3rd option in the 4 years he was there. Now he is averaging 22/10 in 36 minutes as a 1st option.
Where is this enormous gap, or huge jump in play? 4 points and 2 rebounds, with roles significantly changing is some giant increase?

[Budadiiii]

Because people troll as if there was no system. That Lebron (not spo) made Bosh the 3rd option which isn't true.

5yrs later, Bosh is now the 1st option again and a much bigger threat and player to be reckoned with on both sides of the court than he ever was in Toronto.
Spo is a good coach, and there was a system in place.

But there are a lot of times a play breaks down and LeBron hogs it and ruins the offense and turned him into a spot-up shooter, which is true. That is what they are referring to when they say LeBron made Bosh worse.

[Hey Yo]

:roll:

Bosh did shit while he was playing with LeBron. Career lows in everything.

Bron gone now? Bosh is at his highest PER, ppg/rbpg/everything since his Toronto days.

You're seriously trying to say that LeBron taught him how to remember how to play the way he did before he joined LeBron? Is that your angle here? :roll:
Bosh is playing better now and has a more well rounded game than he ever did in Toronto. Him playing so-called "LeBron ball" made him a better overall player in the long run.

Face the facts, fatty!

[navy]

These guys think Bosh's rebounding will hold up. :roll:

[plowking]

he was the 3rd option, but 24/12 down to 16/6 is too big a drop-off by any measure... lebron-ball reduced him from a versatile superstar to a role player.. rich man's matt bonner... all so lebron could get his.

Bosh never in his career averaged 24/12, so I don't exactly know what you're talking about. Furthermore, his 16/6 on the Heat never happened either.


it 100% has to do with lebron... bosh's offensive rebounds have almost doubled from 1.2 to 2.1 per game, because he isn't being forced to hang out at the 3-point line as much.

There style of play has changed when one of the best players left? No way. I guess Jordan held back Scottie too. Notice how Pippen's scoring went up as soon as Jordan left? Oh darn, he was holding Pippen back, right? As soon as MJ came back, Pippen back to his regular numbers. Proof enough.


in toronto, his offensive rebounds were 2.9, so he could get back up there still.

If he does, great. I'm a Heat fan, we need all the rebounding we can. I bet it doesn't though.

[3ball]

Bosh never in his career averaged 24/12, so I don't exactly know what you're talking about. Furthermore, his 16/6 on the Heat never happened either.

from 24ppg and 10.8 rebs in toronto, down to 16ppg and 6.6 rebs alongside lebron, is too big of a drop-off by any measure.

so there.. now i'm right.



I guess Jordan held back Scottie too.

pippen's numbers were only slightly better without jordan, not massively better like bosh.




If he does, great. I'm a Heat fan, we need all the rebounding we can. I bet it doesn't though.
lebron forced bosh to be a floor-spreader like a rich man's matt bonner, and naturally that took bosh away from the rim and reduced his offensive rebounding by over 150% from what it was in toronto... :confusedshrug:

[j3lademaster]

2009-2010 Bosh was 8-22 on the season from 3pt land in Toronto.

2014-15 Bosh (only 8 games played) is 10-28 from 3pt land. He's already passed his makes from his last year in Toronto in 3pt attempts.

LeBron ball made Bosh a more versatile player. Much better defender than he was in Toronto and a deep threat from 3pt land that stretches the floor.

LeBron made Bosh better.So basically Bosh broadening his skillset to adapt to Lebron's game should be credited to Lebron? Okay.:hammerhead:

[plowking]

from 24ppg and 10.8 rebs in toronto, down to 16ppg and 6.6 rebs alongside lebron, is too big of a drop-off by any measure.

so there.. now i'm right.

You didn't factor in that Spo was resting the big 3 a lot and a lot of their minutes went down, including Wade and Bron. Bosh was a consistent 18/8 guy there, per 36 minutes.
In his first season at the Heat, Bosh went from 24/11 at Toronto, to 19/8 in Miami, averaging exactly the same minutes. His PER was consistently around the 19.5 mark with Lebron in the team. That year in Toronto was a career year for him at that point with a career high of 25.0 PER.

So in what way is that a big drop for a 3rd option? 24/11 to 18/8 or 18/9. Whichever.



pippen's numbers were only slightly better without jordan, not massively better like bosh.

So 24/11 to 18/9 is considered a huge drop, while Scottie averaging 3.4 points more, 1 rebound more, and increasing his PER by 4, isn't a big deal? :oldlol:
So a 5.6 drop in PER going from 1st option to 3rd is huge. While a 4.0 PER drop isn't anything according to you, and this is simply from 2nd to 1st option. No where near as big a change in roles as 1st to 3rd.

If LeBron held Chris back, then Jordan did more so for Pippen.




lebron forced bosh to be a floor-spreader like a rich man's matt bonner, and naturally that took bosh away from the rim and reduced his offensive rebounding by over 150% from what it was in toronto... :confusedshrug:

Lebron didn't force anything. They came together and figured this is what worked for the team. It proved right, seeing as they went to 4 straight finals and won 2 of them. Pretty successful, and clearly the right way to play.

[aj1987]

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Look at the time, idiot. You think it's wise to give your opponent a full 24 seconds? Also, why is Bosh not trying to post up (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24571850/heats-chris-bosh-on-playing-in-the-post-i-dont-bang-anymore)?


from 24ppg and 10.8 rebs in toronto, down to 16ppg and 6.6 rebs alongside lebron, is too big of a drop-off by any measure.

so there.. now i'm right.

19/8 on 45% the last few games when going against decent-good bigs (DH, Pek, Roy, Tyson, etc.).


pippen's numbers were only slightly better without jordan, not massively better like bosh.
Because he was the SECOND option. Not the third. Put Malone on that team. Do you think Malone is going to average 25+ with Pip averaging 20+ and Jordan averaging 30+?


lebron forced bosh to be a floor-spreader like a rich man's matt bonner, and naturally that took bosh away from the rim and reduced his offensive rebounding by over 150% from what it was in toronto...
Kevin Love pretty much took as many 3's as Bosh did in his ENTIRE career last season alone. Averaged 12.5 RPG.

[Swaggin916]

2009-2010 Bosh was 8-22 on the season from 3pt land in Toronto.

2014-15 Bosh (only 8 games played) is 10-28 from 3pt land. He's already passed his makes from his last year in Toronto in 3pt attempts.

LeBron ball made Bosh a more versatile player. Much better defender than he was in Toronto and a deep threat from 3pt land that stretches the floor.

LeBron made Bosh better.

he's not as good a scorer as he used to be... but he's more versatile and honestly he shouldn't be your leading scorer.

[Sarcastic]

So 24/11 to 18/9 is considered a huge drop, while Scottie averaging 3.4 points more, 1 rebound more, and increasing his PER by 4, isn't a big deal? :oldlol:
So a 5.6 drop in PER going from 1st option to 3rd is huge. While a 4.0 PER drop isn't anything according to you, and this is simply from 2nd to 1st option. No where near as big a change in roles as 1st to 3rd.

If LeBron held Chris back, then Jordan did more so for Pippen.






Pippen averaged 21ppg in 1991/2, so he was able to put up just about close to maximum potential with Jordan there or not. In 1993 his shooting numbers dipped a bunch, which is what made his ppg go down to 18.4. He was always about a high teens to low 20s point scorer, which is what he was with or without Jordan.

The drop off wasn't nearly as significant as what happened to Bosh, who went from a consistent 22/10 player to about a 17/7 player. Cutting 5 points off your average over the course of a season is a BIG dip.

[plowking]

Pippen averaged 21ppg in 1991/2, so he was able to put up just about close to maximum potential with Jordan there or not. In 1993 his shooting numbers dipped a bunch, which is what made his ppg go down to 18.4. He was always about a high teens to low 20s point scorer, which is what he was with or without Jordan.

The drop off wasn't nearly as significant as what happened to Bosh, who went from a consistent 22/10 player to about a 17/7 player. Cutting 5 points off your average over the course of a season is a BIG dip.

What is hard to understand that his minutes went down, and that he went from being the franchise player to the 3rd guy in line?
It is like saying Ron Harper was held back at the Bulls and wasn't able to score his 20+ ppg. His role clearly changed for the benefit of the team.

Bosh scoring more wouldn't have benefited the team. Bron and Wade were perfectly capable. His rebounding would have been useful, but I'm guessing that is Bron's fault too, despite Kevin Love being able to maintain his rpg, despite playing "Bron ball"...

[Sarcastic]

What is hard to understand that his minutes went down, and that he went from being the franchise player to the 3rd guy in line?
It is like saying Ron Harper was held back at the Bulls and wasn't able to score his 20+ ppg. His role clearly changed for the benefit of the team.

Bosh scoring more wouldn't have benefited the team. Bron and Wade were perfectly capable. His rebounding would have been useful, but I'm guessing that is Bron's fault too, despite Kevin Love being able to maintain his rpg, despite playing "Bron ball"...


Ron Harper was past his prime when he joined the Bulls. Chris Bosh was 26 when he joined the Heat, and was just entering his prime/peak years. His per/36 numbers remained just about even for his 4 years with Lebron. Just using per/36, he went from a 22/10 player to an 18/8 player.


Again dropping 4 points off your average is huge. If Lebron were to average about 22ppg this year, you would call it a huge drop off, and rightfully so.

[aj1987]

Ron Harper was past his prime when he joined the Bulls. Chris Bosh was 26 when he joined the Heat, and was just entering his prime/peak years. His per/36 numbers remained just about even for his 4 years with Lebron. Just using per/36, he went from a 22/10 player to an 18/8 player.


Again dropping 4 points off your average is huge. If Lebron were to average about 22ppg this year, you would call it a huge drop off, and rightfully so.
:facepalm

From my previous post:

Bosh was the THIRD option. Put Malone on the Bulls. Do you think Malone is going to average 25+ with Pip averaging 20+ and Jordan averaging 30+?

[Sarcastic]

:facepalm

From my previous post:

Bosh was the THIRD option. Put Malone on the Bulls. Do you think Malone is going to average 25+ with Pip averaging 20+ and Jordan averaging 30+?


That's fine, and I agree with your sentiment, but what OP is trying to push is that Lebron made Bosh BETTER, which is completely asinine.

[aj1987]

That's fine, and I agree with your sentiment, but what OP is trying to push is that Lebron made Bosh BETTER, which is completely asinine.
Not sure about LeBron making him better, but Heat Bosh >> Toronto Bosh, when it comes to offense and defense. He's still a bitch when it comes to rebounding though