ESPN Poll better career Duncan vs Kobe 155k votes Duncan up 64% to 36%

[Rosewood]

Speak on it....

[Dragic4Life]

not just better career, better everything.

[Hoopz2332]

:applause:

[STATUTORY]

prisoners of the moment

[Akrazotile]

36???

Are you sure you got that right? Bc you might be mixing it up with his FG%

[navy]

36???

Are you sure you got that right? Bc you might be mixing it up with his FG%
:oldlol:

Damn. Kobes been taking lots of Ls lately. :(

[navy]

prisoners of the moment
this.

[sportjames23]

not just better career, better everything.


Better than Lebron, too.

[secund2nun]

Comparing Duncan and Kobe is like comparing ribs with the McRib. Duncan right now at his advanced age is a far superior player than Kobe ever was. Kobe is just a 7th seed first round loser in his prime without elite front courts to carry him.

[NumberSix]

Comparing Duncan and Kobe is like comparing ribs with the McRib. Duncan right now at his advanced age is a far superior player than Kobe ever was. Kobe is just a 7th seed first round loser in his prime without elite front courts to carry him.
:rolleyes:

[Ariza4three]

Duncan's career>>
but he is a roleplayer at this point.

[Knoe Itawl]

Better career, better player, better teammate, not really a question. The only people that would question it are:

A. Kobe stans (for obvious reasons)
B. Those more seduced by flash than substance

Knowledgeable basketball enthusists know this to be the case, and not even a debate. It's really only kept alive by the aforementioned Kobe stan (again, for obvious reasons).

[rhowen4]

Wow I woulda thought kobe would be up, can someone give a link

[Eric Cartman]

Him having a shitty game influenced that.

Same ESPN audience that voted 70-30 in favor of the Bulls winning the series after Nate Robinson lead them to victory over the Heat game in 1.

[navy]

Wow I woulda thought kobe would be up, can someone give a link
After Duncan just won a championship and the lakers current record?

[Artillery]

36???

Are you sure you got that right? Bc you might be mixing it up with his FG%

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/181357.gif

[navy]

Him having a shitty game influenced that.

Same ESPN audience that voted 70-30 in favor of the Bulls winning the series after Nate Robinson lead them to victory over the Heat game in 1.
:roll:

[Doranku]

36???

Are you sure you got that right? Bc you might be mixing it up with his FG%

Maybe 36 will be the age that you finally get a job.

[Akrazotile]

Maybe 36 will be the age that you finally get a job.


Dont hold your breath

[Anaximandro1]

270k votes

Duncan 65%

Kobe 35%


California - 19k votes


Duncan 54%

Kobe 46%



Texas - 14k votes


Duncan 74%

Kobe 26%

[G0ATbe]

Who cares:facepalm . Kawhi just won him a ring recently so everyones still living in the moment. 10 years down the line Kobe will once again be remembered as the superior player having the superior career.

[MUGEN]

Flavor of the week type of situation really

Not saying Duncan doesn't have a case here for having a better career. Just people tend to be swayed by the sentiments of the moment a bit too much

[Artillery]

http://i.imgur.com/zXyubBN.png

[Genaro]

Who cares:facepalm . Kawhi just won him a ring recently so everyones still living in the moment. 10 years down the line Kobe will once again be remembered as the superior player having the superior career.
This.

[T_L_P]

Who cares:facepalm . Kawhi just won him a ring recently so everyones still living in the moment. 10 years down the line Kobe will once again be remembered as the superior player having the superior career.

Even California gave Tim the nod.

Perhaps fans are simply more enlightened.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Duncan hasn't even been elite since 07

some could even argue 05

[T_L_P]

Duncan hasn't even been elite since 07

some could even argue 05

2007: All-NBA 1st Team, All-Defensive 1st Team, 4th in RS PER, 3rd in RS Win Shares, 3rd in RS WS/48, 4th in RS Box Plus/Minus, 2nd in RS Value Over Replacement Player, 1st in RAPM (by a large margin).

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html

2nd in Playoff PER, 2nd in Playoff Win Shares, 3rd in Playoff WS/48.

This guy. Duncan was at worst the second best player in the league that year. There was a thread on ISH a few months back where Duncan was voted the best player in the league that year.

Stop making things up to fit your agenda. At least do a little research before commenting on seasons you didn't watch.

[Cold soul]

Even California gave Tim the nod.

Perhaps fans are simply more enlightened.

You think this poll holds any value I believe it would be more legit if poll went on for at least a week, but when only few hours it's hard to come to any conclusion.

[T_L_P]

You think this poll holds any value I believe it would be more legit if poll went on for at least a week, but when only few hours it's hard to come to any conclusion.

Of course I don't. Fan polls are worthless.

But I do find it funny that most Kobe fans -- not you from what I've seen of your posts -- use Kobe's Player of the Decade win in the TNT poll to prove his case, even though that was directly after winning a championship.

Great double standard.

[navy]

You think this poll holds any value I believe it would be more legit if poll went on for at least a week, but when only few hours it's hard to come to any conclusion.
It's not gonna change this year. We need to be few years removed from Kobe and Duncan to get some real results.

[Cold soul]

Of course I don't. Fan polls are worthless.

But I do find it funny that most Kobe fans -- not you from what I've seen of your posts -- use Kobe's Player of the Decade win in the TNT poll to prove his case, even though that was directly after winning a championship.

Great double standard.

I tend to think Kobe having a little better career than Duncan but it's super close if you have Duncan above Kobe I have no problem with that both are best players of their decade. If anything it's 1A/1B between the two.

[Cold soul]

It's not gonna change this year. We need to be few years removed from Kobe and Duncan to get some real results.

Great post. I tend to agree with you. :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

2007: All-NBA 1st Team, All-Defensive 1st Team, 4th in RS PER, 3rd in RS Win Shares, 3rd in RS WS/48, 4th in RS Box Plus/Minus, 2nd in RS Value Over Replacement Player, 1st in RAPM (by a large margin).

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html

2nd in Playoff PER, 2nd in Playoff Win Shares, 3rd in Playoff WS/48.

This guy. Duncan was at worst the second best player in the league that year. There was a thread on ISH a few months back where Duncan was voted the best player in the league that year.

Stop making things up to fit your agenda. At least do a little research before commenting on seasons you didn't watch.

Why are you bringing up 2007 when I myself just said Duncan was elite in 2007.

:facepalm :facepalm

[T_L_P]

Why are you bringing up 2007 when I myself just said Duncan was elite in 2007.

:facepalm :facepalm

'Some could argue 05'

When he was the best or second best player in the league in 07, and still a top 3-5 player in 06 when healthy?

So no, nobody could argue 05. You flat out made that shit up.

And the reality is, Duncan wasn't elite in 10 (because of the Playoffs, he was still very elite in the RS) 11, 12, and currently...and the 14 RS. He didn't stop being elite in 08 when that was his second or third best defensive season...or in 2013 when he had one of the great comeback years...making All-NBA 1st Team and posting a top 5 PER/RAPM, turning the Spurs from the 11th ranked defense into the 3rd ranked defense.

[Keno]

Better than Lebron, too.

....for now.

[KobeClutchAsFK]

I gotta go with Kobe over Duncan career wise simply because Kobe has basically destroyed Duncan's spurs almost every time they met in the playoffs.

[T_L_P]

I gotta go with Kobe over Duncan career wise simply because Kobe has basically destroyed Duncan's spurs almost every time they met in the playoffs.

I'm not really sure how that makes a better career, but I see your point.

Which series do you think Kobe was the best player on either teams in?

[TheMarkMadsen]

'Some could argue 05'

When he was the best or second best player in the league in 07, and still a top 3-5 player in 06 when healthy?

So no, nobody could argue 05. You flat out made that shit up.

And the reality is, Duncan wasn't elite in 10 (because of the Playoffs, he was still very elite in the RS) 11, 12, and currently...and the 14 RS. He didn't stop being elite in 08 when that was his second or third best defensive season...or in 2013 when he had one of the great comeback years...making All-NBA 1st Team and posting a top 5 PER/RAPM, turning the Spurs from the 11th ranked defense into the 3rd ranked defense.

Some could argue. But I wouldn't. As I stated.

No need to get your panties all twisted up in a bunch over nothing.

Sensitive Duncan stan :rolleyes: :facepalm

[T_L_P]

Some could argue. But I wouldn't. As I stated.

No need to get your panties all twisted up in a bunch over nothing.

Sensitive Duncan stan :rolleyes: :facepalm

But nobody could.

You can't argue that the guy who lead the league in Playoff PER in 06, averaging 32/14/4 in the WCSF against the Mavs, and was probably the best overall player in the league in 07, was not elite.

You might as well be saying 03 Shaq wasn't elite, or 02 Kobe, or 05 Garnett, or 08 Dirk, or 14 LeBron etc aren't elite players...when they all clearly are.

[red1]

prisoners of the moment
...

[sportjames23]

....for now.


*looks at Keno's avatar*


I see what you did there.

[toxicxr6]

People say prisoner of the moment.. And i understand why you would say that
But I honestly can not see any way you can rank Kobe's career above Duncan's anymore.. And the gap is just growing...

The three main achievements are MVP, FMVP and championships

Duncan
5 rings
2 mvps
3 fmvp

Kobe
5 rings
1 mvp
2 fmvp

Duncan is clearly ahead


Now filling In the gaps..
Duncan has been relevant every year. Every single year...
Kobe has had what 5 or 6 completely irrelevant years in his career.. Not even making the playoffs.. Duncan has won 50+ games every season..

Duncan is one of the greatest defensive players of all time... Has the 2nd highest career defensive rating of any player all time.. And this more than compensates what might be a little more offensive impact that Kobe has had than Duncan

Duncan also achieved more with less.. Never had the luxury of playing with someone as dominate as shaq.. I don't care what you say.. Without shaq..
Kobe only gets 2 rings..
Kobe never was the clear best player on a championship team.. Shaq was better in the 3 peat.. Pau was just as impactful as Kobe in the back to back.. He has always been a 1a or 1b player on those teams.

Duncan's 03 championship was one of yen most impressive in history.. In taking a bunch of scrubs all the way.. Duncan lead the spurs in points, rebounds, blocks and assists..


Duncan's career> Kobe career

It's all over folks

[houston]

kobe better than duncan

[mehyaM24]

duncan is better, but like kobe, he is massively overrated by casuals and boxscore watchers.

i do think its amazing duncan achieved some of these numbers playing systematically, never forcing the issue (not like he could create on his own consistently - but still)

[T_L_P]

duncan is better, but like kobe, he is massively overrated by casuals and boxscore watchers.

i do think its amazing duncan achieved some of these numbers playing systematically, never forcing the issue (not like he could create on his own consistently).

Shaq from 01-04: Assisted on 64% of his baskets
Garnett: 62%
Duncan: 50%

-Waits for mehyaM24 to skew definition of creating his own.

[mehyaM24]

Shaq from 01-04: Assisted on 64% of his baskets
Garnett: 62%
Duncan: 50%

-Waits for mehyaM24 to skew definition of creating his own.

shaq isn't a system player like duncan. he actually has international (big stage) success while continuously proving, in his prime, he could go anywhere and turn a franchise over....turn a franchise over into title contenders, e.g. the heat before and after his arrival and departure.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wow I woulda thought kobe would be up, can someone give a link

http://i.gyazo.com/7add40bee91fafff327e523f192cb080.png

[T_L_P]

shaq isn't a system player like duncan. he actually has international (big stage) success while continuously proving, in his prime, he could go anywhere and turn a franchise over....turn a franchise over into title contenders, e.g. the heat before and after his arrival and departure.

:oldlol:

Completely avoiding the point. Duncan creates his own shot more than MDE Shaq, apparently. Continue taking the loss.

Phil* turned Shaq into a champ. Before then he was getting swept out of the Playoffs 5 straight years.

[mehyaM24]

:oldlol:
Phil* turned Shaq into a champ. Before then he was getting swept out of the Playoffs 5 straight years.

shaq was a champ and gold medal finalist without phil.

...and duncan without pop??

[T_L_P]

shaq was a champ and gold medal finalist without phil.

how about duncan without pop??

Still avoiding my post I see. :oldlol:

Shaq relying on teammates for baskets more than Tim. :oldlol:

Phil was a 6 time champ before Shaq. Riles was a 4 time champ.

What was Pop without Tim? A career .500 coach. See how it works both ways?

The creating his own shot thing doesn't, however.

[mehyaM24]

^im not sure i quite understand your "point". are you suggesting duncan has more offensive skills than shaq?

:biggums:

[T_L_P]

^im not sure i quite understand your "point". are you suggesting duncan has more offensive skills than shaq?

:biggums:

'not like he could create on his own consistently'.

Did it more than Shaq, Garnett, Webber, Dirk, meaning Shaq couldn't create his own consistently, meaning it's a negative for Shaq and shouldn't even be mentioned for Duncan, since it isn't true.

Has nothing to do with skills. Just exposing your lies. :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

'not like he could create on his own consistently'.

Did it more than Shaq, meaning Shaq couldn't create his own consitently, meaning it's a bigger negative for Shaq.

Has nothing to do with skills. Just exposing your lies. :facepalm

yes, meaning he never had the offensive skills to the others i compare him to. bringing up a centers assisted baskets is stupid anyway, especially with shaq - who's main goal on offense is to post/be in position at the basket 100% of the time.


Still avoiding my post I see. :oldlol: .

:confusedshrug:

did duncan have any success without pop, the way shaq did without phil? you brought up shaq's lack of accomplishments without phil, so you shouldnt have trouble answering.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's debatable.

Kobe:
5x rings (3-Peat, and Back to Back)
MVP
2x Finals MVPs

Top 3 Player (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013)
Top 5 Player (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2011)


Duncan:
5x rings
2x MVPs
3x Finals MVPs

Top 3 Player (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
Top 5 Player (2007)

[T_L_P]

yes, meaning he never had the offensive skills i compare others to. bringing up someone's assisted baskets is stupid anyway, especially with shaq who's main goal on offense is to post/be in position at the basket 100% of the time.
.

Like I said, you'd eventually skew the definition when I exposed you.

Creating your own shot means just that: you're relying on your own play and not your teammates.

Shaq was being assisted on 70+ of his baskets at times, meaning he relied on them a lot, and thus he wasn't creating shots for himself.

This guy and his understanding of simple basketball terms. :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

Like I said, you'd eventually skew the definition when I exposed you.

you twisted the "definition" to your own liking. i've always maintained duncan's offensive skills left much to be desired.

you know that already, though :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

you twisted the "definition" to your own liking. i've always maintained duncan's offensive skills left much to be desired.

you know that already, though :oldlol:

Duncan's scoring in his prime: catch it 15 feet away, make his way to the basket

Shaq's scoring: catch it 5 feet away and turn over the shoulder

You said creating his own. As in, creating his own shot. You didn't say he had a mediocre offensive skillset.

Are you broken, serious question? How can there be any other meaning to what you said?

[ArbitraryWater]

It's debatable.

Kobe:
5x rings (3-Peat, and Back to Back)
MVP
2x Finals MVPs

Top 3 Player (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013)
Top 5 Player (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2011)


Duncan:
5x rings
2x MVPs
3x Finals MVPs

Top 3 Player (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
Top 5 Player (2007)


If a thing like Defense exists, then there is no way Kobe was top 3 in 2013... He was in 2001, though. And he was the 2nd best player in those playoffs. Insane all-around. Definitely top 3.

[BigBoss]

prisoners of the moment

Sheep will be sheep

[BigBoss]

Duncan hasn't averaged 30 minutes a game since 2009.

Kobe's logging 35 minutes a game in his 19th season.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If a thing like Defense exists, then there is no way Kobe was top 3 in 2013... He was in 2001, though. And he was the 2nd best player in those playoffs. Insane all-around. Definitely top 3.
Ok switch those 2x out but in retrospect, but I don't think anyone was better than Kobe in 2013 besides LeBron, and Durant. Clearly. Even including his lapses, or energy conservation defensively. Do you really?

[T_L_P]

Duncan hasn't averaged 30 minutes a game since 2009.

Kobe's logging 35 minutes a game in his 19th season.

Well, that's a lie. :facepalm

He's 36. Duncan is 38. What do 2 bench warming years do to your body? :facepalm

[Mr. Jabbar]

surprise surprise, look at the timing when they bring up this poll, their bias against kobe aint no different from the average ish poster. pathetic.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ok switch those 2x out but in retrospect, but I don't think anyone was better than Kobe in 2013 besides LeBron, and Durant. Clearly. Even including his lapses, or energy conservation defensively. Do you really?

Parker, definitely.. Or Steph Curry.

But as you're saying that I realize how weak 2013 was beyond LeBron/KD with Dwight and Paul having a bit of a down year.

Still: Paul, Curry, Parker (MVP type), Westbrook, Griffin, DUNCAN himself..

[SamuraiSWISH]

Parker, definitely.. Or Steph Curry.
You mention Kobe's lack of defense in 2013 then name two guys who NEVER have never played defense in their entire career, and played with more stacked consistent teams than the roster Kobe had to prop up in 2013? Um, ok

[ArbitraryWater]

You mention Kobe's lack of defense then name two guys who NEVER have ever played defense, and played with more stacked consistent teams than the roster Kobe had to prop up in 2013? Um, ok

They played with energetic D, though... That wasn't close to what Kobe offered on that end. He was a huge negative.

Even LA based Newspaper called his Defense out.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/1/11/3864814/kobe-bryant-is-ruining-kobe-bryants-historic-season

None the less, the others would be above aswell.

How about Marc Gasol? Give me an efficient 15/8/4 within the offense and on an WCF team WITH a DPOTY.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yea, none of those guys are better than 2013 Kobe. If he didn't get injured, and Dwight finally kicked in gear after he went down. Clearly showing he was spitefully pouting not giving Kobe, or LA his best. Those 2x together in the playoffs could've given San Antonio trouble.

[mehyaM24]

Duncan's scoring in his prime: catch it 15 feet away, make his way to the basket

Shaq's scoring: catch it 5 feet away and turn over the shoulder

this post alone proves you know nothing about shaq or his extensive prime.

shaq's footwork, drop step, spin... type into youtube "shaquille o'neal - first nba regular season game".....coast to coast dunk and fadeaway....at age 20 and 1st career game... dude had guard like skills, and was a force around the hoop (not just because of sheer power).

duncan doesn't have the touch or footwork shaq did. not even close. his "jumpshot" is ugly as sin too.


You said creating his own. As in, creating his own shot. You didn't say he had a mediocre offensive skillset.

yes - shaq had more skills to create his shot. he wasn't going to be bring the ball up and work from the free-throw line out like your traditional PF/stretch 4.


Are you broken, serious question? How can there be any other meaning to what you said?

lol at you looking up assisted numbers for shaq, who was fed just outside the paint every possession.

the way staticians give out assists are silly anyway. checkout the article on chris paul's assists in new orleans. just a joke.

[buddha]

90% of those votes are teenage lebron stans who never even saw Kobe play in his prime.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

90% of those votes are teenage lebron stans who never even saw Kobe play in his prime.

Same can be said about Kobe stans who haven't seen MJ play. Granted I used to watch 2nd three peat bulls when I was like 5 every Christmas

[WallIn]

It shouldn't be that much of a blowout but Duncan has has a better career than Bryant, slightly.

[toxicxr6]

this post alone proves you know nothing about shaq or his extensive prime.

shaq's footwork, drop step, spin... type into youtube "shaquille o'neal - first nba regular season game".....coast to coast dunk and fadeaway....at age 20 and 1st career game... dude had guard like skills, and was a force around the hoop (not just because of sheer power).

duncan doesn't have the touch or footwork shaq did. not even close. his "jumpshot" is ugly as sin too.



yes - shaq had more skills to create his shot. he wasn't going to be bring the ball up and work from the free-throw line out like your traditional PF/stretch 4.



lol at you looking up assisted numbers for shaq, who was fed just outside the paint every possession.

the way staticians give out assists are silly anyway. checkout the article on chris paul's assists in new orleans. just a joke.





Lol who is this scrub

Duncan has some of the best footwork of any big men in history...:facepalm

[bukowski81]

this post alone proves you know nothing about shaq or his extensive prime.

shaq's footwork, drop step, spin... type into youtube "shaquille o'neal - first nba regular season game".....coast to coast dunk and fadeaway....at age 20 and 1st career game... dude had guard like skills, and was a force around the hoop (not just because of sheer power).

duncan doesn't have the touch or footwork shaq did. not even close. his "jumpshot" is ugly as sin too.



yes - shaq had more skills to create his shot. he wasn't going to be bring the ball up and work from the free-throw line out like your traditional PF/stretch 4.



lol at you looking up assisted numbers for shaq, who was fed just outside the paint every possession.

the way staticians give out assists are silly anyway. checkout the article on chris paul's assists in new orleans. just a joke.

You cant be serious, Duncan has better post moves than Shaq, Shaq would gladly admitt that.

[bukowski81]

Lol who is this scrub

Duncan has some of the best footwork of any big men in history...:facepalm

And dominates every post move there is on the book. This guy is trolling or havent watched Duncan play.

[DMAVS41]

Yea, none of those guys are better than 2013 Kobe. If he didn't get injured, and Dwight finally kicked in gear after he went down. Clearly showing he was spitefully pouting not giving Kobe, or LA his best. Those 2x together in the playoffs could've given San Antonio trouble.

Kobe was fantastic in the 13 regular season, but I think we under-rate some of the other players that sacrifice for the good of the team by taking less shots, playing more team ball, sit more (give up stats), and you know...actually give effort on defense.

I still think 13 was impressive for Kobe, but I'm just not sure how hard it actually is to score in the current NBA as a wing (for really good players) if all you do is play offense and take a lot of shots.

I mean...I didn't watch every Spurs game that year so I can't really speak to Duncan, but Dirk, for example this year, could easily be scoring 28 a game if he insisted on playing 5 more minutes a game and took 7 more shots to equal Kobe's from 13...and rested on defense.

He's at 20 points on 13.6 shots...give him 20.4 shots and you'd obviously see his efficiency go down, but scoring would be way up.

But Dirk just wouldn't be a better player putting up 27/7/3 in 38 minutes a game on 58% TS or whatever he'd be at....while giving no effort on defense.

Could he do that though right now? Hell yes...but like Kobe, he'd wear down by the end of the year and get injured and he'd miss the playoffs.

The point is that these stats often skew things a lot...especially in the regular season.

[DMAVS41]

As for the poll.

Definitely has something to do with Kobe being out and bad the last couple seasons with the Spurs winning a title and making back to back finals with Duncan playing at an absurd level.

However...it's also accurate.

Duncan has clearly been the better player and had the better career to date. It's not even debatable anymore.

Duncan has jumped up into that top 5 range while Kobe should be fringe top 10.

[sportjames23]

ESPN got mad hate for Kobe now. Reminds me when Sports Illustrated trolled MJ with that baseball article and he stopped giving them interviews. I wonder if Kobe will do the same with ESPN?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ESPN got mad hate for Kobe now. Reminds me when Sports Illustrated trolled MJ with that baseball article and he stopped giving them interviews. I wonder if Kobe will do the same with ESPN?
Everytime ESPN is brought to his attention, Kobe scoffs and just shits on them. A few more Abbott hit pieces will ensure their mutual distaste for one another. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

i've always maintained duncan's offensive skills left much to be desired.

Clearly Wilt isnt the only bigman you know nothing about.

[STATUTORY]

As for the poll.

Definitely has something to do with Kobe being out and bad the last couple seasons with the Spurs winning a title and making back to back finals with Duncan playing at an absurd level.

However...it's also accurate.

Duncan has clearly been the better player and had the better career to date. It's not even debatable anymore.

Duncan has jumped up into that top 5 range while Kobe should be fringe top 10.

you know what, imma let you have this little moment. we all know you being waiting for kobe to fall off for an eternity to spew your hate

[DMAVS41]

you know what, imma let you have this little moment. we all know you being waiting for kobe to fall off for an eternity to spew your hate

It's not hate to say this. You or others disagree, but it's not an opinion formulated by hate.

You show me Kobe the player and his career and Duncan the player and his career and I take Duncan every single time without thinking.

Nothing to do with me liking Duncan more.

[chazzy]

Griffin
If you think '13 Blake Griffin was better than '13 Kobe then you didn't watch that season

[RRR3]

Shocked its this lopsided. I don't see what should give Duncan this heavy an advantage over Kobe career wise (if he has one at all), although I didn't watch either (especially Duncan) in their primes outside of maybe a few games (I watched 2009 finals and 2010 WCF+ finals if you consider that to still be Kobe's prime)

[ArbitraryWater]

Shocked its this lopsided. I don't see what should give Duncan this heavy an advantage over Kobe career wise (if he has one at all), although I didn't watch either (especially Duncan) in their primes outside of maybe a few games (I watched 2009 finals and 2010 WCF+ finals if you consider that to still be Kobe's prime)

Flawed logic..Nobody is saying there's a huge difference, all Duncan voters might aswell consider the difference minimal.

I dont think its that close tbh.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Duncan's offense and defense have not regressed over his whole career basically. Kobe's defense is atrocious now and his offense isn't as strong. There's really no argument for Kobe.

[STATUTORY]

Duncan's offense and defense have not regressed over his whole career basically. Kobe's defense is atrocious now and his offense isn't as strong. There's really no argument for Kobe.
except for the difference in their peak and prime performance, Duncan has been a role player over the last 6+ years while kobe was still arguably best player in the league as late as 2013

[pastis]

i think the result has to do with the fact that the lakers are irrelevant since 2011 and that even the "mighty 2012 team" choked. on the other hand we have duncan who is the spirit of the spurs team at age 38, a huge defense anchor and just down to earth-guy.

overall i would take duncan over kobe due to the fact that imo kobe is just a little overrated by media and his fanbase. i rank kobe 7-15, behind lebron and duncan.
but in fact it is difficult to rank anyone accurately behind top3. so you can take this player over the other or vice-versa, always finding arguments for your choice.

[T_L_P]

except for the difference in their peak and prime performance, Duncan has been a role player over the last 6+ years while kobe was still arguably best player in the league as late as 2013

He literally has no argument over LeBron and Durant. Their 2013 seasons are better than any of Kobe's Regular Seasons -- let alone Kobe's 3rd or 4th best Regular Season.

Also, Duncan hasn't been a role player since 08. That's absurd. Maybe he's a role player if the only thing that matters is scoring a lot of points. But in terms of actual value, the only time you can call him a role player is now, last Regular Season, and 2011.

[Heavincent]

He literally has no argument over LeBron and Durant. Their 2013 seasons are better than any of Kobe's Regular Seasons -- let alone Kobe's 3rd or 4th best Regular Season.


Playoffs are a different story. Kobe's 4th or 5th best playoff run is better than anything Durant has ever done.

[pastis]

Playoffs are a different story. Kobe's 4th or 5th best playoff run is better than anything Durant has ever done.

:biggums:

[T_L_P]

Playoffs are a different story. Kobe's 4th or 5th best playoff run is better than anything Durant has ever done.

I'm simply comparing 2013 RS Kobe with 2013 RS LeBron and Durant. And there's no real comparison. :confusedshrug:

[mehyaM24]

Lol who is this scrub

Duncan has some of the best footwork of any big men in history...:facepalm

i never said he didn't. just not on the level of shaq's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_xXiqnQSlU

^^^ duncan doesn't have THAT feel for the post. obviously duncan is a great player and HOFer, but the fact is he was put in position to get easy baskets hid entire career (pop's system). you'll notice against international competition, he is a completely different player though (old school rules against bigs with oldschool fundamentals).

shaq's skills have always been underrated because of his sheer mass and power play..casuals that watch highlights are obssessed with perimeter players and chucking - they will never get it.

[La Frescobaldi]

i never said he didn't. just not on the level of shaq's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_xXiqnQSlU

^^^ duncan doesn't have THAT feel for the post. obviously duncan is a great player and HOFer, but the fact is he was put in position to get easy baskets hid entire career (pop's system). you'll notice against international competition, he is a completely different player though (old school rules against bigs with oldschool fundamentals).

shaq's skills have always been underrated because of his sheer mass and power play..casuals that watch highlights are obssessed with perimeter players and chucking - they will never get it.

When I was reading that drivel you wrote in the Russell/Chamberlain thread I thought "well he's a kid and he's out a-trollin'."

Now I see you really just don't know anything about basketball.

Best wishes at whatever you do... I'd stay away from hoops if I were you because that's awful hopeless for ya bro.

[TheBigVeto]

not just better career, better everything.

This.
Only 1 in 14 believes that Kobe has a better career than Duncan.