Little Message to Kobe Fans

[Dave3]

A lot of people have been talking about the rookie class this year, with a lot of people saying Dante Exum was a lot like Kobe (don't know why) or how Jabari is Melo 2.0 or how Wiggins is like LeBron (not at all).

The one thing that I've noticed the most actually, is that Wiggins actually plays the closest to Kobe that we've seen in a long time. Now, right off the bat, I'm not comparing ability or how good they are at their respective ages even (can't really judge how good Wiggins is as a 19 year old from 2 weeks of basketball, but I'm talking completely in terms of style or how they play.

Wiggins is looking like he's going to be a midrange killer. For all the talk about him being timid or just athletic, he's already got very good jumper, and can even shoot the 3 pretty well (even off the dribble), and he has confidence in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHIcSkkZ48I - this is last night against the Pelicans (yes they got blown out)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6_Okw3Dqs - this is against Houston

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51aS6Ul1J60 - and this is against the Nets.

The guy is very confident in his jumper, and it's very smooth. Almost all his points come off of them right now, and watching him it seems that in a couple of years, his midrange jumper is going to be imposssible to guard.

Just a little thought blurb. No he doesn't have Kobe's creativity, finishing ability, or passing yet, but again, this is a 19 year old in 3rd week as an NBA player., Purely in terms of scoring though, I imagine you guys (and many others) would enjoy his style of game.

[Akrazotile]

I think its a lil premature, I dont think Wiggins could go 1-14 just yet, but someday I guess its possible.

[Dave3]

FFS dude, it's been 16 hours of that same joke. Can we get back to enjoying and talking about basketball?

[Derivative]

I think its a lil premature, I dont think Wiggins could go 1-14 just yet, but someday I guess its possible.


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[Cocaine80s]

I would say he has a 1 in 14 chance of reaching Kobe's level

[Jacks3]

Wiggins ain't coming close to Prime Kobe.

[tpols]

seems like hes really good out of the triple threat.. didnt see much dribbling up top PnR type stuff but I guess he would learn to do all that as he gets better.

[Wade3]

I don't think he's fluid enough honestly, the one thing he should be beastly at is O-Rebs and Blocks. His 2nd jump is ridiculous

[Dave3]

Wiggins ain't coming close to Prime Kobe.
And I made sure to emphasize like 3 times that that's not what I was saying.

[Dave3]

I don't think he's fluid enough honestly, the one thing he should be beastly at is O-Rebs and Blocks. His 2nd jump is ridiculous
I agree, but I think that comes with experience. Rookies tend to look sloppier in terms of footwork and how they finish.

[Dave3]

seems like hes really good out of the triple threat.. didnt see much dribbling up top PnR type stuff but I guess he would learn to do all that as he gets better.
He's not a ball handler in terms of playmaking. He's mostly catch, then either drive or jumper. Also lots of off the ball movement, catching in stride and finishing. The good side of that is he doesn't hold onto the ball too much. Either makes the play or passes it away, doesn't stand around dribbling too long. Guess that's what happens when you're fresh out of college and still don't have certain NBA habits.

[andremiller07]

Wiggins was the 1st of 14 lottery picks taken right?

[IncarceratedBob]

Having seen a lot of them both Wiggins is better than Kobe at the same point in their development stages

[RedBlackAttack]

He's sort of a modern version of Dominique Wilkins... Hyper-athletic guy who can score in a variety of ways and rebound. He's a better shooter than Nique was at this stage by quite a wide margin and Wilkins was a better finisher around the rim than Wiggins, but the game has also changed since then. When I think about what a 19-20 year old Dominique would be in today's NBA offensively, Wiggins is the closest thing. Dominique was also never a great playmaker, much like Wiggins.

Andrew has the chance to be a special defensive player. That's the end of the floor that could separate him from a lot of guys if he reaches his ceiling. I still really like him as a prospect.

[Akrazotile]

Wiggins was the 1st of 14 lottery picks taken right?


And Kobe was drafted 13th so if you think of it as Wiggins is a made basket, and Kobe is a missed FGA, then basically together theyre 1-14.....

[navy]

He looks like a hyper athletic rudy gay. If he improves enough he could be an athletic carmelo.

Im talking about offense only. Dominique Wilkins? I dont see the fluidity necessary. He will never be Kobe.

[Dave3]

He will never be Kobe.
I won't say he will be Kobe, but I never understood this type of statement. The "He'll never be..." as if somehow you know the future. How can you judge how good someone is going to be 5-10 years in the future from 2 weeks of NBA games?

[Dave3]

If he improves enough he could be an athletic carmelo.

He's considerably weaker than Melo, and he looks like he'll become a very good defensive player as well. He's more 2/3 while Melo is a 3/4 (obviously mostly 3).

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

And Kobe was drafted 13th so if you think of it as Wiggins is a made basket, and Kobe is a missed FGA, then basically together theyre 1-14.....
man you guys are hilarious. no honestly, i know you been getting love on ish all day, but do you honestly think a poster actually even cracked a smile at your lame asss fcking jokes? :roll: worthy?

[Dave3]

man you guys are hilarious. no honestly, i know you been getting love on ish all day, but do you honestly think a poster actually even cracked a smile at your lame asss fcking jokes? :roll: worthy?
Ignore him. I know you're a Kobe fan so how do you think Wiggins compares with respect to 18/19 year old Kobe in terms of playstyle?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Ignore him. I know you're a Kobe fan so how do you think Wiggins compares with respect to 18/19 year old Kobe in terms of playstyle?
got nba league pass and haven't watched a wiggins game yet. i do dfs and the entire team is fade worthy.

[Dave3]

got nba league pass and haven't watched a wiggins game yet. i do dfs and the entire team is fade worthy.
dfs?

[navy]

I won't say he will be Kobe, but I never understood this type of statement. The "He'll never be..." as if somehow you know the future. How can you judge how good someone is going to be 5-10 years in the future from 2 weeks of NBA games?

You can tell. There are certain things you cannot teach even though you can improve upon. He will never have Kobe's footwork or fluidity.(Or handles) Which is why Dwight will never be Hakeem even if he trains with him for the rest of his life. He wont be lebron because he doesnt have the dribbling/driving which is actually what makes Lebron unique as it is added to his large frame.

That is why I compared him to Rudy Gay. And not as an insult, but he plays just like him. Lots of moves that result in jumpers. Never much of a driver/finisher. Not very fluid.

That is also why I said if he gets real good he can be carmelo offensively. When it comes to moves that result in jumpers he's the best in the game for that position/type.

Defensively is another story. The sky is the limit.

[Dave3]

You can tell. There are certain things you cannot teach even though you can improve upon. He will never have Kobe's footwork or fluidity.(Or handles) Which is why Dwight will never be Hakeem even if he trains with him for the rest of his life. He wont be lebron because he doesnt have the dribbling/driving which is actually what makes Lebron unique as it is added to his large frame.

That is why I compared him to Rudy Gay. And not as an insult, but he plays just like him. Lots of moves that result in jumpers. Never much of a driver/finisher. Not very fluid.

That is also why I said if he gets real good he can be carmelo offensively. When it comes to moves that result in jumpers he's the best in the game for that position/type.

Defensively is another story. The sky is the limit.

Except footwork and fluidity is exactly what you get with experience. LeBron finishes very differently today than his early years, and most of that is based on how smooth he is when he gets to the basket. He was always great at it, but you can see a difference that's more than just less athleticism.

The skills that I imagine will be less likely to improve are the ball handling and finishing. If you had at least said that's why I'd see it, but saying because a 19 year old isn't fluid yet is why he won't be as good as someone else doesn't make sense.