Has Any Star Player Ever Had As Negative An Impact On His Team...

[DonDadda59]

As Kobe with the Lakers this season?

I'm thinking... No.

Thoughts? :confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

Alpha.

[DonDadda59]

Alpha.

Thank you :cheers:

But back on topic. Kobe... WOAT teammate? :confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

Michael Jordan.

When he came back as #45, he was a huge liability to the team and made them worst. They were championship contenders and MJ's lost the series against Orlando.

This is one instance where he should have stay retired and let the Bulls do their thing.

[plowking]

Jerry Stackhouse says hi.

I wouldn't complain though. It is fun to watch a player hoist so many shots.

[navy]

Do you consider Kobe a star at his current age? Serious question.

[9erempiree]

Do you consider Kobe a star at his current age? Serious question.

It tells you about Kobe's greatness.

[LAZERUSS]

What team?

You mean the Lakers? Buss ought to have 11 random fan selections every night the rest of the season. Even an 80 year old in wheel-chair wouldn't do any worse than this cast of mis-fits.

[KBaller33]

Honestly Kobe taking a fadeaway jumper that's heavily contested is better than the other options on this Laker team.

[ImKobe]

how many wide open shots did his teammates miss, when he got them the ball?

how many times did the Warriors destroy our front court inside?

how many times did Steph blow by Lin?

[DonDadda59]

Michael Jordan.

When he came back as #45, he was a huge liability to the team and made them worst. They were championship contenders and MJ's lost the series against Orlando.

This is one instance where he should have stay retired and let the Bulls do their thing.

After losing Horace Grant to the Magic, I believe the Bulls were 33-32 right before Jordan's return. They were out of playoff contention. They went 13-4 to seal a berth during his ultra shortened comeback season. The following year they set the record for most wins in NBA History with 72.

Don't know if that's quite as bad as what we're seeing with Bean out there. But thanks for contributing.


Do you consider Kobe a star at his current age? Serious question.

He has spent most of the season as the league's scoring leader. He's hoisting 5 more shots per game than the #2 guy in the association. He's the highest paid player in the league.

Yes, clearly he is still a star player.

[Noob Saibot]

I can't think of one. and they're have been plenty of ball hogs who shotjack there teams into losses, but no one does it better than Mr. Bean

[STATUTORY]

are you acutally suggesting lakers would be winning games if kobe played differently?

:roll:

[JT123]

Nope. Cancerbe has completely ruined the morale of this Laker team. I don't care what his moronic stans say, the Lakers are NOT as bad as they looked tonight. They merely quit trying because Kobe stopped trying to play team ball in the second quarter. :facepalm

[Kvnzhangyay]

are you acutally suggesting lakers would be winning games if kobe played differently?

:roll:

>Suggesting that Lakers are winning currently

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe with the lebron stat line; 44 pts, 0 in the 4th

[DonDadda59]

are you acutally suggesting lakers would be winning games if kobe played differently?

:roll:

I don't know about that. All I know is Pau and Swaggy P must've been miracle workers to win as many games as they did last season. MVPau :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

are you acutally suggesting lakers would be winning games if kobe played differently?

:roll:
:lol

this.

I thought ISH was full of smart fans. These haters expecting Lakers to be in 1st place if Kobe somehow played differently.

[Heavincent]

He's doing exactly what the Lakers want him to :confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

I don't know about that. All I know is Pau and Swaggy P must've been miracle workers to win as many games as they did last season. MVPau :bowdown:

Actually this team is different than last. Lakers unloaded a lot of guys that they shouldn't.

[navy]

Actually this team is different than last.
Not by much...

[ImKobe]

Not by much...

let Meeks & Pau walk

I'm convinced D'Antoni >> Scott at this point

[AlphaWolf24]

After losing Horace Grant to the Magic, I believe the Bulls were 33-32 right before Jordan's return. They were out of playoff contention. They went 13-4 to seal a berth during his ultra shortened comeback season. The following year they set the record for most wins in NBA History with 72.

Don't know if that's quite as bad as what we're seeing with Bean out there. But thanks for contributing.

.

Actually the Bull's won 9 outta the last 11 games before MJ came back...they were getting Hot at the right time...

then MJ ballhogged after returning and ruined the chemistry.....they did better the year before ( without him)

Next year they added the greatest defensive player and rebounder of his generation ( Rodman) and won a tons of games.....expected.....Rodman's Pistons teams use to always merk MJ's Bull's teams.

[DonDadda59]

Nope. Cancerbe has completely ruined the morale of this Laker team. I don't care what his moronic stans say, the Lakers are NOT as bad as they looked tonight. They merely quit trying because Kobe stopped trying to play team ball in the second quarter.

It's funny that worse teams are doing better than the Lakers isn't it? I mean the Thunder and the Pacers have had catastrophe strike non stop, completely depleting their rosters of their best players... yet they still manage some wins or at least are competitive with some high quality teams.

Yet the Lakers with the most alpha muhphucka to ever lace them up (if stans are to be believed), routinely get blown out by any and every team they face?

[Smoke117]

Nope.

[outbreak]

It's funny that worse teams are doing better than the Lakers isn't it? I mean the Thunder and the Pacers have had catastrophe strike non stop, completely depleting their rosters of their best players... yet they still manage some wins or at least are competitive with some high quality teams.

Yet the Lakers with the most alpha muhphucka to ever lace them up (if stans are to be believed), routinely get blown out by any and every team they face?

yeah but most teams run a system that is actually trying to win.

[AlphaWolf24]

It's funny that worse teams are doing better than the Lakers isn't it? I mean the Thunder and the Pacers have had catastrophe strike non stop, completely depleting their rosters of their best players... yet they still manage some wins or at least are competitive with some high quality teams.

Yet the Lakers with the most alpha muhphucka to ever lace them up (if stans are to be believed), routinely get blown out by any and every team they face?


hey...we beat the Hornets...or is it Bobcats....whatever team MJ owns.

[DonDadda59]

Actually the Bull's won 9 outta the last 11 games before MJ came back...they were getting Hot at the right time...

So before he came back and their little run they were 24-30? Wow, that changes everything.

From 33-31 before he came back to 85-14 and another 3-peat after his return. Again, bad... but not 2014-2015 Lakers bad. :applause:


hey...we beat the Hornets...or is it Bobcats....whatever team MJ owns.

Yeah... really showed him :applause:


yeah but most teams run a system that is actually trying to win.

Kobe System>>>

[edrick]

Alphas don't win shit on a team like the Lakers have. Kobe in particular needs legit bigs to have a shot at winning. Which he obviously doesn't have anymore.

[chazzy]

08 Wade only won 10 out of 51 games.. it happens :)

[R.I.P.]

Per 100 possessions they are 20 points worse with Kobe on the floor. :lol

[sbw19]

MJ kicked off his first Wizard season with a 2-9 record. Had better supporting cast too and played in a weaker conference.

Keep your trolling game up.

[JT123]

It's funny that worse teams are doing better than the Lakers isn't it? I mean the Thunder and the Pacers have had catastrophe strike non stop, completely depleting their rosters of their best players... yet they still manage some wins or at least are competitive with some high quality teams.

Yet the Lakers with the most alpha muhphucka to ever lace them up (if stans are to be believed), routinely get blown out by any and every team they face?
/thread

[AlphaWolf24]

So before he came back and their little run they were 24-30? Wow, that changes everything.

From 33-31 before he came back to 85-14 and another 3-peat after his return. Again, bad... but not 2014-2015 Lakers bad. :applause:



Yeah... really showed him :applause:

Like I said...they added the greatest defensive player/and rebounder of the generation...

after all.....when MJ retired they replaced him with a CBA player and only slipped 2 games....( nearly made it to the Finals again. If not for a bad call in game 5)

replaced the so called greatest player ever and only slipped 2 games from the year prior (replaced MJ's all world offense and defense with Pete Myers..lol)....Pippen , Grant , and BJ all played better better without MJ ballhogging also.

sh!t Pippen was the best allaround player in L in 95 and showed MJ how to really carry a franchise.

[tpols]

yeah but most teams run a system that is actually trying to win.

yup.. the thunder and pacers are ranked 27th, and 28th offensively. They lost their offensive stars but they still have their defensive anchors in place in ibaka/perkins and Hibbert with nice role player defensive pieces. Indy's 8th place defense w/o paul george.. still really good.

LA has no one with defensive talent outside jordan hill and wesley johnson, but both of them cant play a lick of offense/create their own shots, etc. and the other guys have shaky, streaky offensive games at best(lin, boozer) and are terrible at defense along with kobe who doesnt even try anymore on that end. Lakers also have no defensive identity like either of those two teams as none of them have played any significant time with one another.

[Chrono90]

Lakers dont have a team and the West is packed.

That's all it is.

[AlphaWolf24]

Alphas don't win shit on a team like the Lakers have. Kobe in particular needs legit bigs to have a shot at winning. Which he obviously doesn't have anymore.


This...if he was a Beta he could " take his talents" to San Antonio

[DonDadda59]

08 Wade only won 10 out of 51 games.. it happens :)

10/51= 19.6% win
1/10= 10% win

Kobe gets docked points for Linsanity being the driving force behind that win.


Per 100 possessions they are 20 points worse with Kobe on the floor. :lol

His impact and on/off numbers are by far the worst I've ever seen from any single player. It's pretty absurd at this point.

[LAZERUSS]

I think the real questions is, who will win more games this year...the Lakers, or the Raiders?

[oh the horror]

I don't understand this thread.


While I'm not thrilled about Kobe playing the way he is, what else can this team do? Realistically? Have two more wins?

[DonDadda59]

MJ kicked off his first Wizard season with a 2-9 record. Had better supporting cast too and played in a weaker conference.

Lakers won 27 games last season, they're on pace to win maybe 12 this year.

Wizards won 19 games the season before Jordan came along and were 26-20 by the all star break and his knee issues.

And I don't think Jahidi White is a better player than Jordan Hill personally. but to each his own.


Keep your trolling game up.


Power
Equality
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Everything


:cheers:

[yeaaaman]

I don't understand this thread.


While I'm not thrilled about Kobe playing the way he is, what else can this team do? Realistically? Have two more wins?

I honestly used to love ripping on Kobe back in the day, he's always been great but I used to hate the way he played sometimes. But I don't get this thread either, or many of the threads on this site to be honest, whats the point of ripping Kobe at this age? His team sucks, I'm sorry, doesn't matter if he shoots 10 or 40 times the outcome will likely be the same.

They shot 99 times and outside of Kobe they only shot 4 threes? Are you kidding me? And of course hit none. That should tell everyone about how awful shooting a team this is. Furthermore, what does the amount of shots Kobe takes have to do with the biggest problem on this team - defense? Except for occasionally causing bad leak outs and mismatches/poor transition, bad shots have little to do with it.

I think ISH is now run by player stans and teenagers. At least that's the way it seems by the majority of threads I see nowadays.

[DonDadda59]

Like I said...they added the greatest defensive player/and rebounder of the generation...

Yeah... kinda like when Rodman went from Detroit to San Antonio to play with David Robinson and they also won 70+ games. Dat GOAT impact. :applause:


after all.....when MJ retired they replaced him with a CBA player and only slipped 2 games....( nearly made it to the Finals again. If not for a bad call in game 5)

Also added Toni Kukoc (arguably the GOAT 6th man), Steve Kerr (highest 3% all time), and a few other pieces that weren't on the championship winning team the season before. When Jordan got to play a full season with the new pieces... 72 wins.



sh!t Pippen was the best allaround player in L in 95 and showed MJ how to really carry a franchise.

By sitting out a pivotal last second play and quitting on your team when they needed you most in the playoffs? :wtf:

Thank Godbe for Kukoc.

[Ai2death]

2011 Lebron says hi.

[Crose]

Yeah... kinda like when Rodman went from Detroit to San Antonio to play with David Robinson and they also won 70+ games. Dat GOAT impact. :applause:
did robinson also have phil jackson, scottie pippen, toni kukoc? or was it sean elliot and bob hill? and he still got 62 wins

[Chrono90]

Please know.... 2nd best player on Lakers is suppose to be who?

- Boozer? 3 for 13 tonight for 6 points

- Lin? 0 for 2 for 0 points

Check their season stats too. Lakers do not have a team this year. Why can't the average fan see that?

Some people on this board are talking like Lakers have 4 all stars on the team, expected to be champion contenders and Kobe is chucking away games.

[sbw19]

Lakers won 27 games last season, they're on pace to win maybe 12 this year.

Wizards won 19 games the season before Jordan came along and were 26-20 by the all star break and his knee issues.

And I don't think Jahidi White is a better player than Jordan Hill personally. but to each his own.
I'd gladly take Hamilton over anyone Kobe has right now, let alone rest of that wiz team. East back then was a joke. West now is brutal. Facts.

Wiz were on pace for the same # of wins as season before going by their 2-9 start. Let's wait for the season to least hit the AS break before we jump to conclusions about how many wins Lakers will wind up with in comparison to last year.

[chazzy]

Why are you putting so much stock in on/off numbers? He didn't play the entire 4th and the Laker scrubs outscored the Warriors scrubs by 16.. it doesn't mean anything :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

I don't understand this thread.


While I'm not thrilled about Kobe playing the way he is, what else can this team do? Realistically? Have two more wins?

Cuz Dumdada has a permanent hard on for Kobe. Tears will be flowing out of his ****** when Kobe passes Jordan on the scoring list.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah... kinda like when Rodman went from Detroit to San Antonio to play with David Robinson and they also won 70+ games. Dat GOAT impact. :applause:



Also added Toni Kukoc (arguably the GOAT 6th man), Steve Kerr (highest 3% all time), and a few other pieces that weren't on the championship winning team the season before. When Jordan got to play a full season with the new pieces... 72 wins.


Well...Bulls did win 55 games without MJ....so if they keep adding Rodman...and Jordan...obviously they would reach 70 wins. MJ proved he helps the team become a little better then Pete Myers did.:confusedshrug:

By sitting out a pivotal last second play and quitting on your team when they needed you most in the playoffs? :wtf:

He had an Alpha moment...can't blame him


Thank Godbe for Kukoc.


you proved my point....Bull's had great teams...MJ's allworld offense and defense impacted them about 2 games ..

Imagine if they had a decent SG to replace MJ instead of a CBA player!!!

[DonDadda59]

did robinson also have phil jackson, scottie pippen, toni kukoc? or was it sean elliot and bob hill? and he still got 62 wins

:biggums:

He only played in 49 games, starting in 26 that season. The next year after he left the Spurs won 59 games. But yeah, Rodman was the main reason the Bulls won a record 72 games. He only played 64 games, starting in 57... the next season when the Bulls won 69, he played in only 55 games.

Dat bench impact. GOAT :bowdown:

[tpols]

Why are you putting so much stock in on/off numbers? He didn't play the entire 4th and the Laker scrubs outscored the Warriors scrubs by 16.. it doesn't mean anything :oldlol:

Kobe was -34 tonight but Jordan Hill and Jeremy Lin were -37.. Wes Johnson was -41.

Jordan Clarkson and Robert sacre were +17 and +19 respectively... the new Kobe Shaq. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

Why are you putting so much stock in on/off numbers? He didn't play the entire 4th and the Laker scrubs outscored the Warriors scrubs by 16.. it doesn't mean anything :oldlol:

Guys are idiots and don't know a thing or two about stats. They can't use them in the right context...


wooow, Lakers bench is more effective against opposing benches than Kobe & the starters are against other starters? :lebronamazed:

Too bad teams don't play their 2nd/3rd units 48 minutes a game and playing like they're up 20+, not giving a fukk.

Anyone that uses +/- to downplay Kobe is either a troll or a retard.

[DonDadda59]

you proved my point....Bull's had great teams...MJ's allworld offense and defense impacted them about 2 games ..

Imagine if they had a decent SG to replace MJ instead of a CBA player!!!

Bulls combined 2 season record without Jordan: 88-58 (60% win) *2nd round exit*

Bulls combined 2 season record after MJ's return: 154-27 (85% win) *record seasons, 2 championships*

No matter how you look at it, that impact (even in old age, broken down) is GOAT level. Go the stat nerd route, look up PER, win shares, etc always at the top.

But Rodman playing 50-60 games per season leads to record wins. Unreal.

But back on topic, no more about the GOAT. Let's talk Bean's impact...

Anyone come up with a name for a less impactful star Historically? :confusedshrug:

[Crose]

:biggums:

He only played in 49 games, starting in 26 that season. The next year after he left the Spurs won 59 games. But yeah, Rodman was the main reason the Bulls won a record 72 games. He only played 64 games, starting in 57... the next season when the Bulls won 69, he played in only 55 games.

Dat bench impact. GOAT :bowdown:
i was talking about robinson..

but "only" 64 games? that isn't missing too much time compared to how many injuries the lakers have had the past few years. not even close

[Fawker]

Phil Jackson really tamed him. Back to backs with Odom and Gasol.

[DonDadda59]

i was talking about robinson..

Why? :confusedshrug:


but "only" 64 games? that isn't missing too much time compared to how many injuries the lakers have had the past few years. not even close

OK, but dudes above are trying to give him the lion's share of the Bulls record seasons when he was playing 50-60 games when Chicago was winning 69 and 72 games... more than he even played... at the same age Bean is now.

[AlphaWolf24]

Bulls combined 2 season record without Jordan: 88-58 (60% win) *2nd round exit*

Bulls combined 2 season record after MJ's return: 154-27 (85% win) *record seasons, 2 championships*

No matter how you look at it, that impact (even in old age, broken down) is GOAT level. Go the stat nerd route, look up PER, win shares, etc always at the top.

But Rodman playing 50-60 games per season leads to record wins. Unreal.

But back on topic, no more about the GOAT. Let's talk Bean's impact...

Anyone come up with a name for a less impactful star Historically? :confusedshrug:

in the same exact context...

Pippen missed half the season in 98' and the Bull's slipped 8 games from the pace they had the year before...

MJ misses the whole season in 95 and they only slip 2..:lol
OBVIOUSLY he was needed.



They won 72 and 69 games in the two prior seasons... and dropped to 62 when Pippen sat out.

When Jordan RETIRED after the 93 season, the Bulls record only dropped by TWO games.

As far as the question goes, its been proven that Jordan couldn't win without Pippen. His playoff record without Scottie is 1-10 . Not very impressive.

At least Pippen won a playoff series without Jordan (something Jordan couldn't do without Pippen). And he gave the Knicks all they could handle too.

You could put Dominique Wilkins on the Bulls and get the same results as you would with Jordan.

It was JORDAN who wasn't needed.


when Pippen is gone....Bull's = .430 winning %

[tpols]

in the same exact context...

Pippen missed half the season in 98' and the Bull's slipped 8 games from the pace they had the year before...

MJ misses the whole season in 95 and they only slip 2..:lol
OBVIOUSLY he was needed.



They won 72 and 69 games in the two prior seasons... and dropped to 62 when Pippen sat out.

When Jordan RETIRED after the 93 season, the Bulls record only dropped by TWO games.

As far as the question goes, its been proven that Jordan couldn't win without Pippen. His playoff record without Scottie is 1-10 . Not very impressive.

At least Pippen won a playoff series without Jordan (something Jordan couldn't do without Pippen). And he gave the Knicks all they could handle too.

You could put Dominique Wilkins on the Bulls and get the same results as you would with Jordan.

It was JORDAN who wasn't needed.


when Pippen is gone....Bull's = .430 winning %

Pippen won more than one series w/o Jordan.. led his team to the WCF in the early 2000s and playoff berths every year he was on portland.. in a super stacked west.

While Jordan was shooting 49TS and leading the wizards to no playoffs in a pathetic eastern conference. :lol

Them intangibles.. better facilitation and passing, better team defense/ability to play defensive anchor, and of course better leadership, and communication. Scottie Pippen >>>

[DonDadda59]

in the same exact context...

Pippen missed half the season in 98' and the Bull's slipped 8 games from the pace they had the year before...

MJ misses the whole season in 95 and they only slip 2..:lol
OBVIOUSLY he was needed.



They won 72 and 69 games in the two prior seasons... and dropped to 62 when Pippen sat out.

When Jordan RETIRED after the 93 season, the Bulls record only dropped by TWO games.

As far as the question goes, its been proven that Jordan couldn't win without Pippen. His playoff record without Scottie is 1-10 . Not very impressive.

At least Pippen won a playoff series without Jordan (something Jordan couldn't do without Pippen). And he gave the Knicks all they could handle too.

You could put Dominique Wilkins on the Bulls and get the same results as you would with Jordan.

It was JORDAN who wasn't needed.

:lol

If I could give you a cookie for effort I would. The Bulls didn't add any players when Pippen went down like they did when Jordan retired. If they had added another Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc core and Jordan was 28 and in prime like Pip was then maybe you'd be on to something. But they didn't, just played as is and had a 24-11 record with a 35 year old Jordan leading the way en route to another MVP, scoring title, championship, finals MVP with brokeback Pip putting up 2000 finals Kobe numbers.

Truly, there will never be another :bowdown:

But again... let's try to stay on topic.

Throw some names out there.



Pippen won more than one series w/o Jordan.. led his team to the WCF in the early 2000s and playoff berths every year he was on portland.. in a super stacked west.

While Jordan was shooting 49TS and leading the wizards to no playoffs in a pathetic eastern conference. :lol

Them intangibles.. facilitation, better team defense/ability to play defensive anchor, and leader, communicator of course. Scottie Pippen >>>

You dudes are just throwing all the shit you can at the wall and praying something sticks. Pip was like the 5th option on that Portland team. Giving him the bulk of the credit for Sheed/Stoudamire/Smith's work is like giving Ariza credit for the Rockets start this season and saying his impact>Bean's 1-9.

But if you want to argue that... I won't fight it.

What happened the season after Jordan dragged a hurt Pip to yet another ring and he joined up with Hakeem and Barkley? How'd that Big 3 pan out?

[tpols]

You dudes are just throwing all the shit you can at the wall and praying something sticks. Pip was like the 5th option on that Portland team. Giving him the bulk of the credit for Sheed/Stoudamire/Smith's work is like giving Ariza credit for the Rockets start this season and saying his impact>Bean's 1-9.


Another ignorant post..

Scottie Pippen in Portlands only real 'contender' run where they fell one quarter short of the Finals led his team in

playoff assists
playoff rebounds
playoff steals
playoff d-rating for an elite top 5 defensive team in the league



Just pure passing/rebounding/floor, team defense.. making everybody better on both ends, not just focusing on individual scoring.

Scottie Pippen.. the anti-jordan :bowdown:

[coin24]

Thread full of Jameer alts and retards:applause:

The Lakers are screwed this season anyway, if Kobe isnt shooting who the else is going to take the shots?:confusedshrug:

Swaggy P can take a few when he comes back, the rest of the team is pathetic

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Differences between Wizard's MJ and Kobe:

- MJ was a net positive player overall, Kobe is a huge net negative for his team.

- $24 million

[DonDadda59]

Another ignorant post..

Scottie Pippen in Portlands only real 'contender' run where they fell one quarter short of the Finals led his team in

playoff assists
playoff rebounds
playoff steals
playoff d-rating for an elite top 5 defensive team in the league



Just pure passing/rebounding/floor, team defense.. making everybody better on both ends, not just focusing on individual scoring.

Scottie Pippen.. the anti-jordan :bowdown:

:rolleyes:

I remember the Blazers choking away game 7 vividly, like it was yesterday. You're deluding yourself if you think Pippen was the driving force on that team. He was a solid role player, but a role player nonetheless. The last time he was more than a mere 4th option, he was the 3rd option on a team with all time greats Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley the season after being dragged to another ring by the GOAT (missed half the season, played like shit in the playoffs/finals). How'd that go?

It's going to be soooooo much fun when Pau and Dwight (and Ariza), all former Bean teammates/scapegoats lead separate teams to deep playoff runs. You better pray those nigguhs don't make the finals while Bean is chucking the Lakers to a 12-70 record without them.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/other/grand/cant-wait-other-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-371.gif

[1987_Lakers]

OP is a known Kobe hater. Criticizing a guy who just dropped 44 points who is 36 years old, coming off an Achilles injury, and is playing with probably the worst supporting cast in the league?:oldlol:

Such a shame how some people can't respect current legends, 10 years after Kobe is retired everyone is gonna be on his **** and bitch about how the current superstars don't have the mental toughness & skill that Kobe had.

[kennethgriffin]

OP showing his lack of basketball IQ

the lakers problem is defense. and kobes actually played somewhat good defense so far averaging 2 steals a game.

on offense he hasnt really stopped the lakers from scoring. theyre averaging 102 ppg

tonight they had like 80 points after 3q's...

only problem is the warriors had like 150























































/thread

[SouBeachTalents]

:rolleyes:

I remember the Blazers choking away game 7 vividly, like it was yesterday. You're deluding yourself if you think Pippen was the driving force on that team. He was a solid role player, but a role player nonetheless. The last time he was more than a mere 4th option, he was the 3rd option on a team with all time greats Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley the season after being dragged to another ring by the GOAT (missed half the season, played like shit in the playoffs/finals). How'd that go?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-06-11/sports/9806110398_1_scottie-pippen-bulls-karl-malone
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635114/What-about-Pippen-for-NBA-Finals-MVP.html?pg=all

[ihoopallday]

The hate, trolling, whatever you wanna call it, is getting old and annoying to be honest.

[Heavincent]

:rolleyes:

I remember the Blazers choking away game 7 vividly, like it was yesterday. You're deluding yourself if you think Pippen was the driving force on that team. He was a solid role player, but a role player nonetheless. The last time he was more than a mere 4th option, he was the 3rd option on a team with all time greats Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley the season after being dragged to another ring by the GOAT (missed half the season, played like shit in the playoffs/finals). How'd that go?

It's going to be soooooo much fun when Pau and Dwight (and Ariza), all former Bean teammates/scapegoats lead separate teams to deep playoff runs. You better pray those nigguhs don't make the finals while Bean is chucking the Lakers to a 12-70 record without them.


You're a hypocrite. You talk about Pau being a scapegoat, yet you and the other Jordan stans constantly shit on Pippen and talk about him like he was Nic Batum or something.

[DonDadda59]

OP is a known Kobe hater. Criticizing a guy who just dropped 44 points who is 36 years old, coming off an Achilles injury, and is playing with probably the worst supporting cast in the league?:oldlol:

Such a shame how some people can't respect current legends, 10 years after Kobe is retired everyone is gonna be on his **** and bitch about how the current superstars don't have the mental toughness & skill that Kobe had.

People need to stop with this shit. Lakers aren't less talented than OKC, IND, or the Nuggets... all teams playing better than Chuckbe and his cheerleaders.

And it's funny now that Bean supporters are catching feelings when all that's happening now is the chickens are coming home to roost:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284680

But like I said... Pau wins MVP and leads the Bulls to the finals against Dwight's Rockets while the Lakers are fresh off a 10-72 season and Bean setting the record for worst shots attempted to makes ratio... LAWD that would be Heaven.

http://dangerouspyt.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gif-baby-lawd-gif.gif

[coin24]

OP is a known Kobe hater. Criticizing a guy who just dropped 44 points who is 36 years old, coming off an Achilles injury, and is playing with probably the worst supporting cast in the league?:oldlol:

Such a shame how some people can't respect current legends, 10 years after Kobe is retired everyone is gonna be on his **** and bitch about how the current superstars don't have the mental toughness & skill that Kobe had.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Milbuck]

The hate, trolling, whatever you wanna call it, is getting old and annoying to be honest.
It's ridiculous, honestly. The dude is coming off an Achilles rupture and a knee fracture at 36, playing in his 19th season. Not just that, but on probably the 2nd worst supporting cast in the NBA, only behind Philly, who I'm not sure is an NBA-level team right now.

Seriously what were these people expecting from Kobe this year? Peak Frobe numbers on a contender? :oldlol:

[gts]

DonDadda taking Ls from all angles tonight :lol

[tpols]

OP is a known Kobe hater. Criticizing a guy who just dropped 44 points who is 36 years old, coming off an Achilles injury, and is playing with probably the worst supporting cast in the league?:oldlol:

Such a shame how some people can't respect current legends, 10 years after Kobe is retired everyone is gonna be on his **** and bitch about how the current superstars don't have the mental toughness & skill that Kobe had.

Its even funnier that he worships a guy who has on his resume the worst combination of efficiency and volume scoring.. a chucker who in old age was just as bad as current kobe(despite having waaaaay less mileage on him)--> he worships..

but the all around guy in old scottie pippen, you know the guy that actually makes big winning contributions in every category but scoring and leads winning teams sans mj.. is just an afterthought on his own team because he doesnt chuck enough(the very thing hes criticizing bryant for). :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:



If kobe was playing like scottie right now, sacrificing shots to set lin and boozer up for looks all game, and conserving energy for defense and especially communication and effort on that end.. instead of like inefficient wiz jordan, the lakers might be feilding a little less of an embarrassing team right now.

But then Don Dadda would just call him the fifth option for averaging only 15 ppg and say he sucks anyways.. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

DonDadda taking Ls from all angles tonight :lol

How so? :confusedshrug:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Those people giving the "The dude is coming off an Achilles rupture and a knee fracture at 36, playing in his 19th season." line need to realize that dude is the highest paid player in the league. And he JUST signed that extension. So if he's being paid that much he'll be judged on that standard.

[Milbuck]

People need to stop with this shit. Lakers aren't less talented than OKC, IND, or the Nuggets... all teams playing better than Chuckbe and his cheerleaders.
Name one player on the Lakers roster aside from Kobe even close to Ibaka as a player. Or Reggie Jackson.

Or Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo for Denver.

[DonDadda59]

Those people giving the "The dude is coming off an Achilles rupture and a knee fracture at 36, playing in his 19th season." line need to realize that dude is the highest paid player in the league. And he JUST signed that extension. So if he's being paid that much he'll be judged on that standard.

Yeah, his age and health isn't preventing him from shooting the ball like it's going out of style.

Bean looks spry and healthy to me. Hasn't shown any signs of injury holding him back thus far, unless you count the flu that caused his record breaking 1/14 night.

[andremiller07]

Name one player on the Lakers roster aside from Kobe even close to Ibaka as a player. Or Reggie Jackson.

Or Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo for Denver.
OKC is way less talented but Denver is not

[Heavincent]

Bean looks spry and healthy to me. Hasn't shown any signs of injury holding him back thus far, unless you count the flu that caused his record breaking 1/14 night.

Physically, he's a shell of himself compared to what he was in 2013, let alone his prime. Not sure what you're talking about.

[Milbuck]

Those people giving the "The dude is coming off an Achilles rupture and a knee fracture at 36, playing in his 19th season." line need to realize that dude is the highest paid player in the league. And he JUST signed that extension. So if he's being paid that much he'll be judged on that standard.
So we should just ignore all semblance of context just because of the contract they offered him and he took?

He could tear both ACLs and rupture his other Achilles tomorrow, come back next year and you'd still judge him by superstar standards?

[TheMan]

Like I said...they added the greatest defensive player/and rebounder of the generation...

after all.....when MJ retired they replaced him with a CBA player and only slipped 2 games....( nearly made it to the Finals again. If not for a bad call in game 5)

replaced the so called greatest player ever and only slipped 2 games from the year prior (replaced MJ's all world offense and defense with Pete Myers..lol)....Pippen , Grant , and BJ all played better better without MJ ballhogging also.

sh!t Pippen was the best allaround player in L in 95 and showed MJ how to really carry a franchise.

Alpha's jimmies are legit rustled

[RoundMoundOfReb]

So we should just ignore all semblance of context just because of the contract they offered him and he took?

He could tear both ACLs and rupture his other Achilles tomorrow, come back next year and you'd still judge him by superstar standards?

I specifically said that he "just signed" that extension.

[Heavincent]

Those people giving the "The dude is coming off an Achilles rupture and a knee fracture at 36, playing in his 19th season." line need to realize that dude is the highest paid player in the league. And he JUST signed that extension. So if he's being paid that much he'll be judged on that standard.

I think everyone knows it was a career achievement reward for bringing the franchise 5 titles.

[Proctor]

OKC is way less talented but Denver is not
Did you just say that OKC's current squad is way less talented than the Lakers? :biggums:

[Milbuck]

I specifically said that he "just signed" that extension.
..Ok? It's still retarded use his contract to completely ignore all context. His contract doesn't go back in time and erase his two injuries, nor does it magically replace his body with his 24 year old body.

[Droid101]

I think ISH is now run by player stans and teenagers. At least that's the way it seems by the majority of threads I see nowadays.
Best post I've ever seen on this site, ever. Repped forever.

[DonDadda59]

Name one player on the Lakers roster aside from Kobe even close to Ibaka as a player.

If you're going to take Bean out the equation, then you'd have to take out the best player on the other team in question too... unless Kobe doesn't count as a member of the Lakers now? :confusedshrug:


Or Reggie Jackson.

Reggie Jackson was a career 8 PPG player before this season and had a peak of 13 PPG on 44% shooting. Jeremy Lin put up 13/5 on 44% the last 2 seasons in Houston.


Or Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo for Denver.

Jordan Hill.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

..Ok? It's still retarded use his contract to completely ignore all context. His contract doesn't go back in time and erase his two injuries, nor does it magically replace his body with his 24 year old body.
He signed that contract after the injuries. At least after the Achilles.

[1987_Lakers]

Those people giving the "The dude is coming off an Achilles rupture and a knee fracture at 36, playing in his 19th season." line need to realize that dude is the highest paid player in the league. And he JUST signed that extension. So if he's being paid that much he'll be judged on that standard.

What an awful post.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What an awful post.
Great points

[NBAplayoffs2001]

As Kobe with the Lakers this season?

I'm thinking... No.

Thoughts? :confusedshrug:

The whole mess of Barkley, Drexler, and Hakeem on the Rockets that one year come to mind.

[Milbuck]

If you're going to take Bean out the equation, then you'd have to take out the best player on the other team in question too... unless Kobe doesn't count as a member of the Lakers now? :confusedshrug:

Reggie Jackson was a career 8 PPG player before this season and had a peak of 13 PPG on 44% shooting. Jeremy Lin put up 13/5 on 44% the last 2 seasons in Houston.I know even you don't believe this. Lin is not better than Reggie Jackson. Stop it.

Jordan Hill.
Not even remotely close. Laughable, really. Afflalo and Lawson may not be having their best seasons, but again, it's not even close.

[Milbuck]

He signed that contract after the injuries. At least after the Achilles.
Still doesn't erase the two injuries or make him 10 years younger.

[Bless Mathews]

After losing Horace Grant to the Magic, I believe the Bulls were 33-32 right before Jordan's return. They were out of playoff contention. They went 13-4 to seal a berth during his ultra shortened comeback season. The following year they set the record for most wins in NBA History with 72.

Don't know if that's quite as bad as what we're seeing with Bean out there. But thanks for contributing.



He has spent most of the season as the league's scoring leader. He's hoisting 5 more shots per game than the #2 guy in the association. He's the highest paid player in the league.

Yes, clearly he is still a star player.

Slayed.

Niner empire worst poaster in message board history.

[DMAVS41]

Do Lakers fans actually believe that the best way for this team to compete is to have Kobe take 35 shots? Really?

I mean...they probably lose most games anyway...and Kobe is definitely the best player on this team, but do you guys really want to watch this? They aren't this bad. I mean...it's kind of disgusting watch. Nobody even tries on defense...and when they do...they just foul.

Kobe doesn't even fake trying on defense and in their one win of the season...he at least shared the ball enough to allow Lin to contribute.

I don't know...I guess it's a fitting way for Kobe to go out, but it would at least be nice to watch him do this in some competitive games. And the Lakers could definitely make some games competitive imo if they played as a team.

[DonDadda59]

The whole mess of Barkley, Drexler, and Hakeem on the Rockets that one year come to mind.

Hakeem-Drexler-Barkley won 57 and lost in 6 in the WCF in '96 to Seattle. Hakeem was injured the next season, missing like half the games. Chuck was dogged by issues too, only started 41 games. they went 41-41.

Who gets the blame for that exactly? Clyde? :confusedshrug:

[ballinhun8]

Come on guys. Keep negging roundmound aka jameer. He doesn't deserve that green cuz his alts keep giving it to him.

[andremiller07]

Kobe individually reached 1/14 on his own now he's trying to carry the team to 1-14 as a group.

[1987_Lakers]

OP is gonna cry himself to sleep when Kobe passes Jordan in points.:oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

I know even you don't believe this. Lin is not better than Reggie Jackson. Stop it.

Lin has been a more productive player than Reggie in their respective careers. Reggie is getting more minutes now because the team is completely gutted by injury, so he's getting more opportunities. When Lin had the same situation, he dropped 38 on Kobe's head and a cultural phenomenon happened.


Not even remotely close. Laughable, really. Afflalo and Lawson may not be having their best seasons, but again, it's not even close.

So we're supposed to overlook that? Hill, with his limited touches, has been playing better than either. Especially Afflalo who's been awful. It's at least arguable with Lawson who's dealing with injury.


OP is gonna cry himself to sleep when Kobe passes Jordan in points.:oldlol:

Yup. Just like I did when Malone passed him up. :cry:

3rd in points (until Bron and KD pass him up) but forever #1 in bricks :bowdown:

[Loneshot]

I've always been a big fan of Kobe through all the years of criticism, but at this point he's only holding back the team from rebuilding. I really hope he wraps it up after this season. He had his time, he was great, now he's just stat padding...yet still throwing up awful shots, I guess shot percentage isn't a stat he's concerned about, but winning must not be either.

[JT123]

Come on guys. Keep negging roundmound aka jameer. He doesn't deserve that green cuz his alts keep giving it to him.
He's a much more entertaining poster than you are, that's for sure.

[ballinhun8]

I'm a much more entertaining poster than you are, that's for sure.




Think you forgot to log off the tablet buddy.

[Jacks3]

The Lakers would probably be less shitty if he stopped so much...but why does it matter? He takes 10 shots a game and they'll still be a terrible team...he takes 30 shots a game and they'll probably moderately more shitty. It literally doesn't matter. You guys are essentially arguing the difference between maybe a 25 win team...and 15-17 win team. It's hilarious. :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Lin has been a more productive player than Reggie in their respective careers. Reggie is getting more minutes now because the team is completely gutted by injury, so he's getting more opportunities. When Lin had the same situation, he dropped 38 on Kobe's head and a cultural phenomenon happened.
Funny how Lin hasn't even come remotely close to replicating Linsanity in his time with the Rockets and now with the Lakers. It's almost as if he's...not that good.

Anyone with a functioning set of eyes who's been watching this season can see that Reggie Jackson right now >> Lin.

So we're supposed to overlook that? Hill, with his limited touches, has been playing better than either. Especially Afflalo who's been awful. It's at least arguable with Lawson who's dealing with injury.
Oh, so now you're willing to take context into account? Lawson's dealing with ankle soreness...yet you cut no slack for the rusty 19 season vet coming off two vastly more severe injuries?

Anyways, I'm not gonna entertain this. If you seriously think Jordan freaking Hill is better than Lawson or Afflalo, I don't know what to tell you. Again, you're just throwing shit together as it suits your agenda, which is a real shame considering you're actually an intelligent poster.

[DMAVS41]

The Lakers would probably be less shitty if he stopped so much...but why does it matter? He takes 10 shots a game and they'll still be a terrible team...he takes 30 shots a game and they'll probably moderately more shitty. It literally doesn't matter. You guys are essentially arguing the difference between maybe a 25 win team...and 15-17 win team. It's hilarious. :oldlol:

I don't give a shit about their win total...but I would like to see Kobe do this in some close games down the stretch.

That is fun as a fan. Watching him do it in a 30 point blowout just isn't the same.

It doesn't have to be 10 shots or 30. ****...just get others involved and play some defense in the first 3 qtrs and then in the final 9 minutes have Kobe take every damn shot if need be.

[Proctor]

Funny how Lin hasn't even come remotely close to replicating Linsanity in his time with the Rockets and now with the Lakers. It's almost as if he's...not that good.

Anyone with a functioning set of eyes who's been watching this season can see that Reggie Jackson right now >> Lin.

Oh, so now you're willing to take context into account? Lawson's dealing with ankle soreness...yet you cut no slack for the rusty 19 season vet coming off two vastly more severe injuries?

Anyways, I'm not gonna entertain this. If you seriously think Jordan freaking Hill is better than Lawson or Afflalo, I don't know what to tell you. Again, you're just throwing shit together as it suits your agenda, which is a real shame considering you're actually an intelligent poster.
Absolutely ethered. :roll: :applause:

[DonDadda59]

Funny how Lin hasn't even come remotely close to replicating Linsanity in his time with the Rockets and now with the Lakers. It's almost as if he's...not that good.

As soon as KD, Westbrook come back... same exact thing will happen to Reggie. He'll go back to being a peak 13 PPG player like Lin.


Oh, so now you're willing to take context into account? Lawson's dealing with ankle soreness...yet you cut no slack for the rusty 19 season vet coming off two vastly more severe injuries?

Anyways, I'm not gonna entertain this. If you seriously think Jordan freaking Hill is better than Lawson or Afflalo, I don't know what to tell you. Again, you're just throwing shit together as it suits your agenda, which is a real shame considering you're actually an intelligent poster.

Why should I or anyone cut him slack? Looks like he got the best medical/rehab humanly possible... enough to chuck 5 more shots per game than anyone else in the league (even counting shot jacker extraordinaire Carmelo Anthony who is in a similar situation). He hasn't shown any signs of ill health, soreness, etc. He just launched 34 shots in 3 quarters and looked fine to me.

He's healthy. Stop with the excuses.

[LA_Showtime]

I love it. Yeah, Kobe's not playing the right way, but on this team and in this situation, who cares. I want dat lottery pick.

[chazzy]

It literally doesn't matter. You guys are essentially arguing the difference between maybe a 25 win team...and 15-17 win team. It's hilarious. :oldlol:
It actually does matter.. because the pick is top 5 protected. Shoot away!

[Heavincent]

Why should I or anyone cut him slack? Looks like he got the best medical/rehab humanly possible... enough to chuck 5 more shots per game than anyone else in the league (even counting shot jacker extraordinaire Carmelo Anthony who is in a similar situation). He hasn't shown any signs of ill health, soreness, etc. He just launched 34 shots in 3 quarters and looked fine to me.

He's healthy. Stop with the excuses.

Yes, he is currently healthy and not dealing with any new injuries at this very moment.

However, he is 36 years old, in his 19th season, and is coming back from 2 major injuries. To act like that doesn't have an effect on his performance is absurd.

[oarabbus]

Funny how Lin hasn't even come remotely close to replicating Linsanity in his time with the Rockets and now with the Lakers. It's almost as if he's...not that good.

Anyone with a functioning set of eyes who's been watching this season can see that Reggie Jackson right now >> Lin.

Oh, so now you're willing to take context into account? Lawson's dealing with ankle soreness...yet you cut no slack for the rusty 19 season vet coming off two vastly more severe injuries?

Anyways, I'm not gonna entertain this. If you seriously think Jordan freaking Hill is better than Lawson or Afflalo, I don't know what to tell you. Again, you're just throwing shit together as it suits your agenda, which is a real shame considering you're actually an intelligent poster.

That's not true. Lin's stats in Houston for games where Harden sat was something like 22/7. There were 6-8 games last year like that and a few more the year previously.

Not that I disagree with the rest of your post, nor am I claiming that Lin right now is within reach of Linsanity. But as much as people like to call him a ****ing scrub, if the Kobe/Harden main option is out of the game and Lin is forced to put the team on his back, he will do so and he will produce.

[chazzy]

Why should I or anyone cut him slack? Looks like he got the best medical/rehab humanly possible... enough to chuck 5 more shots per game than anyone else in the league (even counting shot jacker extraordinaire Carmelo Anthony who is in a similar situation). He hasn't shown any signs of ill health, soreness, etc. He just launched 34 shots in 3 quarters and looked fine to me.

He's healthy. Stop with the excuses.
You can't tell the difference between current Kobe and '13 Kobe?

[DonDadda59]

Yes, he is currently healthy and not dealing with any new injuries at this very moment.

However, he is 36 years old, in his 19th season, and is coming back from 2 major injuries. To act like that doesn't have an effect on his performance is absurd.

The Moose above was comparing a healthy Kobe to players with actual injuries. 36 year old Kobe 19 seasons yadda yadda yadda is in far better shape than Derrick Rose or Dwyane Wade. He's taking more shots now than he has since 2006.

[Milbuck]

That's not true. Lin's stats in Houston for games where Harden sat was something like 22/7. There were 6-8 games last year like that and a few more the year previously.

Not that I disagree with the rest of your post, nor am I claiming that Lin right now is within reach of Linsanity. But as much as people like to call him a ****ing scrub, if the Kobe/Harden is out of the game and Lin is forced to put the team on his back, he will do so and he will produce.
When did I call Lin a scrub? Literally all I said was that's he's really not as good as OP is claiming he is, and that bringing up Linsanity in this discussion makes absolutely no sense.

If we're going by what we saw last year and what we're seeing this year, who is better - Jackson or Lin?

[Proctor]

That's not true. Lin's stats in Houston for games where Harden sat was something like 22/7. There were 6-8 games last year like that and a few more the year previously.

Not that I disagree with the rest of your post, nor am I claiming that Lin right now is within reach of Linsanity. But as much as people like to call him a ****ing scrub, if the Kobe/Harden is out of the game and Lin is forced to put the team on his back, he will do so and he will produce.
In Houston, he may have showed shades of "Linsanity". In LA, he just doesn't give a damn. Even earlier in the season before Kobe was hoisting at the volume he is now, Lin was out there making errant passes the few times he even could control the ball. He's out there playing out of control and without heart. I would be surprised if this clown dropped over 20 more than a few times this whole year.

Jackson has continually showed the ability to put his team on his back in the regular season and the postseason.

[Heavincent]

36 year old Kobe 19 seasons yadda yadda yadda is in far better shape than Derrick Rose or Dwyane Wade.

Damn, so you're telling me he's in much better shape than 32 year old Dwyane Wade and 26 year old Derrick Rose? That dedication and work ethic :bowdown:

Kobe was still destroying the league when he was 32, yet Wade has been on a steady decline for years.

[DMAVS41]

You can't tell the difference between current Kobe and '13 Kobe?

Do you think it's a big gap? I've seen all but one Lakers games this year and honestly I don't see a big difference. I think if you gave current Kobe that 13 team he'd be able to muster up something like 25/5/5 55% TS and be like 85% as good as he was that year.

[Milbuck]

The Moose above was comparing a healthy Kobe to players with actual injuries. 36 year old Kobe 19 seasons yadda yadda yadda is in far better shape than Derrick Rose or Dwyane Wade. He's taking more shots now than he has since 2006.
He's literally not. Derrick has been on and off with ankle issues and now his hamstring problem, but when he was on the court, in FIBA, preseason, and now regular season, his explosiveness and athleticism was all there. And yet he's still not quite MVP Rose...wonder why.

Probably because of this thing known as rust. You know, what happens to a player's game when you miss damn near an entire season and are working your way back.

Difference being, Kobe is a decade older.

[oarabbus]

When did I call Lin a scrub? Literally all I said was that's he's really not as good as OP is claiming he is, and that bringing up Linsanity in this discussion makes absolutely no sense.

If we're going by what we saw last year and what we're seeing this year, who is better - Jackson or Lin?

Ah sorry, I didn't mean to imply you called Lin a scrub. Others do, however. I'm just saying that he has recreated "Linsanity" in individual games.

Jackson has clearly played better than Lin this and last year.

[DonDadda59]

When did I call Lin a scrub? Literally all I said was that's he's really not as good as OP is claiming he is, and that bringing up Linsanity in this discussion makes absolutely no sense.

If we're going by what we saw last year and what we're seeing this year, who is better - Jackson or Lin?

Uh... why not? Reggie was a career 8 PPG player before this season, with a peak of 13 PPG on 44% shooting. Lin is a career 12 PPG/ 5 APG player who put up 13/5 on 3 consecutive playoff teams and went berserk for a stretch. Like the dude you quoted pointed out- whenever he's been put in the same position Reggie is in now, he's performed as well or better.

It's not exactly like Lin is getting opportunities to shine in LA. The one game they've won, Lin was the best player on the court that night.


He's literally not.

What? Rose has ACTUAL injuries, not injuries he had a year or 2 ago but actual injuries he's dealing with now that are keeping him out of games. Kobe is healthy. He's had no health issues (the 1/14 flu he caught the other night notwithstanding). Yeah he's 36 blah blah blah just like Karl Malone was when he put up 26/10 (51%) on a playoff squad.

[Legends66NBA7]

Best 3 players on the Lakers are Bryant, Hill, and Davis.

Agreed ?

[sportjames23]

DonDadda is going all in on nigguhs lately, ripping out hearts and reaping souls. :bowdown:

[sportjames23]

After losing Horace Grant to the Magic, I believe the Bulls were 33-32 right before Jordan's return. They were out of playoff contention. They went 13-4 to seal a berth during his ultra shortened comeback season. The following year they set the record for most wins in NBA History with 72.

Don't know if that's quite as bad as what we're seeing with Bean out there. But thanks for contributing.




Slayed. :cheers:

[Heavincent]

Besides, Kobe had 10 more points than he had shots tonight. Is that not reasonable efficiency?

[oarabbus]

Uh... why not? Reggie was a career 8 PPG player before this season, with a peak of 13 PPG on 44% shooting. Lin is a career 12 PPG/ 5 APG player who put up 13/5 on 3 consecutive playoff teams and went berserk for a stretch. Like the dude you quoted pointed out- whenever he's been put in the same position Reggie is in now, he's performed as well or better.

It's not exactly like Lin is getting opportunities to shine in LA. The one game they've won, Lin was the best player on the court that night.


:applause:

[Mr. Jabbar]

lebron in 2011

[TheMan]

God damn, Don, you got all the Kobe Stan's panties all in a bunch :oldlol:

I'd join in but I can see you handling 'em just fine by yo' lonesome :applause:

[Milbuck]

Uh... why not? Reggie was a career 8 PPG player before this season, with a peak of 13 PPG on 44% shooting. Lin is a career 12 PPG/ 5 APG player who put up 13/5 on 3 consecutive playoff teams and went berserk for a stretch. Like the dude you quoted pointed out- whenever he's been put in the same position Reggie is in now, he's performed as well or better.

It's not exactly like Lin is getting opportunities to shine in LA. The one game they've won, Lin was the best player on the court that night.
And Tracy McGrady was a career 11ppg player his first 3 seasons. It means absolutely nothing.

You can bring up career numbers, what they did in certain situations, yadda yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter is that Reggie Jackson right now is visibly a better player than Lin, whether it kills your agenda or not. Sorry to break it to you.

[Milbuck]

What? Rose has ACTUAL injuries, not injuries he had a year or 2 ago but actual injuries he's dealing with now that are keeping him out of games. Kobe is healthy. He's had no health issues (the 1/14 flu he caught the other night notwithstanding). Yeah he's 36 blah blah blah just like Karl Malone was when he put up 26/10 (51%) on a playoff squad.
Did you miss the part when I mentioned when he was on court before the injuries?

Where was MVP Rose in FIBA? I saw Kyrie tearing it up, not Rose, who was visibly as explosive as ever.

Why wasn't he ripping the league apart before the first ankle injury this year?

Is it...dare I say it...rust? Was he struggling to find his game after missing so much time?

[DonDadda59]

And Tracy McGrady was a career 11ppg player his first 3 seasons. It means absolutely nothing.

You can bring up career numbers, what they did in certain situations, yadda yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter is that Reggie Jackson right now is visibly a better player than Lin, whether it kills your agenda or not. Sorry to break it to you.

Well now I'm convinced. :oldlol:


Did you miss the part when I mentioned when he was on court before the injuries?

Where was MVP Rose in FIBA? I saw Kyrie tearing it up, not Rose, who was visibly as explosive as ever.

Why wasn't he ripping the league apart before the first ankle injury this year?

Is it...dare I say it...rust? Was he struggling to find his game after missing so much time?

If you want to believe Kobe is 'rusty' taking 24 shots per game at a 37% clip... go on ahead. You'll notice that Rose, struggling to find his game, has dialed back his attempts and is picking his spots better. But other 'rusty' players shoot more than they've done in almost a decade while struggling with their health. 34 shot attempts in 3 quarters = testing out the waters. :oldlol:

Anyway, I think I put in enough time for tonight. I'm out fellas. :cheers:

[Milbuck]

Well now I'm convinced. :oldlol:
You can laugh it off, but you know it's true. If you're gonna make an agenda thread, you gotta stick with the points even you don't believe yourself, and you did. So props on that.


If you want to believe Kobe is 'rusty' taking 24 shots per game at a 37% clip... go on ahead. You'll notice that Rose, struggling to find his game, has dialed back his attempts and is picking his spots better. But other 'rusty' players shoot more than they've done in almost a decade while struggling with their health. 34 shot attempts in 3 quarters = testing out the waters. :oldlol:

Anyway, I think I put in enough time for tonight. I'm out fellas. :cheers:
Rose was "picking his spots" better, huh?....is that what he was doing after his return last season - fully healthy, mind you - when he was shooting 35% on around just 1 less FGA than his previous healthy season?

Good talk :cheers:

[oarabbus]

You can laugh it off, but you know it's true. If you're gonna make an agenda thread, you gotta stick with the points even you don't believe yourself, and you did. So props on that.


Rose was "picking his spots" better, huh?....is that what he was doing after his return last season - fully healthy, mind you - when he was shooting 35% on around just 1 less FGA than his previous healthy season?

Good talk :cheers:


yikes

[chazzy]

Do you think it's a big gap? I've seen all but one Lakers games this year and honestly I don't see a big difference. I think if you gave current Kobe that 13 team he'd be able to muster up something like 25/5/5 55% TS and be like 85% as good as he was that year.
Big difference in first step, lift on his jumper, finishing in the paint/at the rim. Settling a looot more now. He was making ~70% of his attempts at the rim and attacked more frequently.

[Bless Mathews]

Don dodda typin facts.

[sportjames23]

DonDadda vs the stans:

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[andremiller07]

DonDadda vs the stans:

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It's like a never ending episode of the Walking Dead the way DonDadda been shredding.

[Milbuck]

I hope I don't fall under your category of stans, because 1) I'm not a stan, and 2) DonDadda literally hasn't refuted a single point of mine.

Homeboy thinks Jordan Hill is better than Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo and you guys are climaxing over his wisdom :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

I hope I don't fall under your category of stans, because 1) I'm not a stan, and 2) DonDadda literally hasn't refuted a single point of mine.

Homeboy thinks Jordan Hill is better than Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo and you guys are climaxing over his wisdom :oldlol:


Nah, you still my nigguh, MB. :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Homeboy thinks Jordan Hill is better than Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo and you guys are climaxing over his wisdom :oldlol:

:lol

[Milbuck]

Nah, you still my nigguh, MB. :cheers:
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/cheers_leonardo_dicaprio.gif

[chazzy]

People need to stop with this shit. Lakers aren't less talented than OKC, IND, or the Nuggets... all teams playing better than Chuckbe and his cheerleaders.

The Lakers have been better offensively than those teams. In fact, they were ranked 11th before Kobe's flu game clunker. But all of those teams are better defensively.

This dude is the biggest Kobe fan on the board :lol No one has put in this many hours analyzing a dead end lottery team like he has

[Timmy D for MVP]

The Lakers have been better offensively than those teams. In fact, they were ranked 11th before Kobe's flu game clunker. But all of those teams are better defensively.

I think Presbyterian may be better defensively.

I can't say that I've seen anything quite like this. Before the season I was saying how fun it was going to be to watch this team because of the funky chemistry, and Swaggy likely getting murdered after he looks off Kobe for his 5th 28 footer, and then they weren't gonna shoot threes.

Now it's just kind of sad. Randle is out for the year, they are just tough to watch, and Kobe chucking hasn't been as fun as I thought it's be. I really hope Swaggy adds some life coming back, because they are quickly becoming one of the more boring teams to follow and they have a billion national games.

[AirFederer]

LOLLOLLOL :roll: :lol

You`re fooling no one, Kobe :facepalm


Our guys were jogging," he said. "I wasn't very happy about it. We can't win that way. Period. . . . Patience is running thin and it has nothing to do with execution."

There were more signs of a heavily unbalanced offense, the other four starters combining for 35 shots, one fewer than Bryant.


"It's tough, man," said Carlos Boozer, who had six points. "We've got to find a balance between the two. It can't be lopsided. We've got to find a balance for us to be successful."

Bryant agreed, as he usually does when disproportion is brought up.

"I'd rather not have to do that, but you can't just sit back and watch a crime happen in front of you," he said. "I'm more than willing to sit back. If you think I want to shoot as many times or be as aggressive at 36 years old, you're freaking crazy."

[KOBE143]

Jordan at age 36 super healthy and in shape with no injury
- 0 win
- 0 ppg, 0rpg, 0apg, 0spg, 0bpg, 0%FG, 0%TS with 0 PER
- teamless just like Michael Beasley (at least Beasley was signed by Chinese team)

Kobe at age 36 >>>>> MJ at age 36 and its not even close..

[Timmy D for MVP]

Jordan at age 36 super healthy and in shape with no injury
- 0 win
- 0 ppg, 0rpg, 0apg, 0spg, 0bpg, 0%FG, 0%TS with 0 PER
- teamless just like Michael Beasley (at least Beasley was signed by Chinese team)

Kobe at age 36 >>>>> MJ at age 36 and its not even close..

:roll: :roll: :roll:

That's actually pretty funny.

[JT123]

Jordan at age 36 super healthy and in shape with no injury
- 0 win
- 0 ppg, 0rpg, 0apg, 0spg, 0bpg, 0%FG, 0%TS with 0 PER
- teamless just like Michael Beasley (at least Beasley was signed by Chinese team)

Kobe at age 36 >>>>> MJ at age 36 and its not even close..
:lol

[StephHamann]

Nope. Cancerbe has completely ruined the morale of this Laker team. I don't care what his moronic stans say, the Lakers are NOT as bad as they looked tonight. They merely quit trying because Kobe stopped trying to play team ball in the second quarter. :facepalm

:roll:

[ImKobe]

Jordan at age 36 super healthy and in shape with no injury
- 0 win
- 0 ppg, 0rpg, 0apg, 0spg, 0bpg, 0%FG, 0%TS with 0 PER
- teamless just like Michael Beasley (at least Beasley was signed by Chinese team)

Kobe at age 36 >>>>> MJ at age 36 and its not even close..

This is how you own trolls with their own shitty logic.

The undestanding most of you guys have of basketball here is really elementary. No wonder why most of you will be working dead-end jobs for most of your life while wasting your personal time on "trolling" and trying to talk shit about people that are actually successful in life.

[Trollsmasher]

Watching the interviews with the other Lakers' players, they are looking like walking corpses out there... their eyes are dead.

Kobe sucked the life out of them.

[Charlie Sheen]

I hope I don't fall under your category of stans, because 1) I'm not a stan, and 2) DonDadda literally hasn't refuted a single point of mine.

Homeboy thinks Jordan Hill is better than Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo and you guys are climaxing over his wisdom :oldlol:

I'm not gonna dig through 10 pages and look, but you have to be exaggerating. I hope you are. Who could honestly sit there and write that?

Two proven bonafide starters in this league against another guy who has the occasional good night with his jumper? Who makes this comparison with a straight face? The matchups with the Suns are more indicative of what Hill's defense truly is as opposed to the narrative crafted after that Charlotte win. Hill shut down AlJeff in single coverage!

[ArbitraryWater]

This guy took 24 FGA in the 1st half...

44 on 15/34.

I don't know, it's really irrelevant what he does... Lakers suck. Everyone. Kobe is done.

Like I said, will this guy have a game this season with a positive/efficient impact, making as many shots as he misses?

So far he's missed more than he made in every single one... And then the inexistent defense.

I guess for him it's all about the scoring record now, make history with that.

[ImKobe]

This guy took 24 FGA in the 1st half...

44 on 15/34.

I don't know, it's really irrelevant what he does... Lakers suck. Everyone. Kobe is done.

Like I said, will this guy have a game this season with a positive/efficient impact, making as many shots as he misses?

So far he's missed more than he made in every single one... And then the inexistent defense.

I guess for him it's all about the scoring record now, make history with that.

You can't have a positive effect on the stat line if the rest of the team isn't on your level. It's a TEAM game, and the TEAM hasn't showed up. Kobe is just one part of the team, yet you guys act like he's the only player on the floor. Why is no one going at Lin for being so passive on offense? Our bigs being undersized and having 0 rim protection, Wes Johnson & Jordan Hill shooting 10+ mid-range jumpers per game... Byron Scott failing to make any adjustments, playing our starting 5 when the team is down 30+ in the 2nd half...

You guys act like Kobe has to do everything for this team.. The high amount of FGA comes from guys deferring to him when the offense can't get anything to go..

Yeah Kobe shot 15-34, rest of the team shot 24-65, rest of the starters combined for 10-34 shooting. And before you say that it's because they are standing around and Kobe isn't making plays, he set up Hill and Johnson countless times for open shots and they bricked them.


This goes back to the FO, put assembled the roster. Then it goes down to the coaching staff, that has made ZERO adjustments since the pre-season. Guys are still shooting way too many long 2s. Our best tactic on defense has been fouling, and lately we can't even seem to get guys to foul them hard enough that they wouldn't be able to finish, so many and-1s. Guys aren't playing physically nor are they communicating on defense, it looks like the D'Antoni Lakers but without the creativity on offense.

Why is Kobe not playing in the post and creating it from there? Why is Lin so damn passive? Why are there lack of screens for Kobe? Most of his jumpers seem to be off the dribble, why is Wes Johnson getting so many catch-and-shoot opportunities, but not Kobe or Lin or Ellington?

Kobe shooting a lot of shots is a result of all of those things. He sees that the team can't play competitively and he's doing what he's paid to do, which is put butts in the seats. He's giving us scoring highlights every game and Staples is filled to watch him play...

Like can anyone be honest here and give me a non-troll response on this? Can anyone answer any of those questions? Or does ISH seriously have nothing more to offer than trolls that make reaction threads off of boxscore numbers, expecting their bullshit to stick? :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

You're the most hypocritical **** on this site....

Oh now it's a "TEAM GAME", yet you would go into any other thread right now and shout your "5 rings" bullshit... **** off.

Everyone is acting like Kobe is the victim here.... Like the forces are conspiring to see him play bad.... Get a grip on reality. Kobe is as much to blame as anyone else is. It's not like he's playing good, is it? Jordan Hill has been more productive than him. Kobe being the leader should start playing the game the right way.

[Purch]

For me the Lakers biggest problem is that 117 record breaking defensive rating. Doesn't matter how much they score, unless they're scoring 120 a game

[ArbitraryWater]

Michael Jordan.

When he came back as #45, he was a huge liability to the team and made them worst. They were championship contenders and MJ's lost the series against Orlando.

This is one instance where he should have stay retired and let the Bulls do their thing.

Championship contenders that were a measly 3 games above a .500 record when MJ came back?

[magic chiongson]

#3 all time scorer
#1 all time chucker
2015 jahlil okafor

:applause::applause::applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

:lol

If they had added another Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc core and Jordan was 28 and in prime like Pip was then maybe you'd be on to something. But they didn't, just played as is and had a 24-11 record with a 35 year old Jordan leading the way en route to another MVP, scoring title, championship, finals MVP with brokeback Pip putting up 2000 finals Kobe numbers.








Hold up yo argument holds no weight......Not only did Pippen , Grant and Armstrong make the Allstar team without MJ...They all shot a higher FG% despite taking MORE shots...

- and when you look at it even further....everyone expects losing the " best player in the world" should effect the offense and defense?

While the Bull's didn't score as many points on offense ( can't really blame them with MJ shooting the ball 25 times per game....the 3 allstars did shoot better without MJ and the team FG% nearly stayed the same

( Now here's where it gets fun) the Bulls Defense improved holding teams to only 94PPG compared to 98ppg with MJ!! ( because of Kerr or Toni??....no way)



I mean we can sit here and make fun of Bean all dey.....but at the same time....recognize MJ also had very little impact on his teams....especially the play of his teammates...Like I showed earlier...

MJ could have easily been a bald headed Dominique Wilkins if not for the Phil System.....



where's my cookies....nom...num...nom...

[AlphaWolf24]

Championship contenders that were a measly 3 games above a .500 record when MJ came back?


won 9 outta 11 before he came back ( peaking at the right time)...Jordan came back played hero ball and choked them outta the playoffs...they did better the year before without him..


look...we can clown on Bean 4eva....

but listening to Jordan Jockers claim that MJ had an impact on his teams is laughable...

Like my post above says.....MJ retires and his teammates play better without him...the defense improves also!:lol


next

[SilkkTheShocker]

In terms of impact, it's been known for long time now that of hall of famers, Kobe has the least impact individual-wise.

[PsychoBe]

In terms of impact, it's been known for long time now that of hall of famers, Kobe has the least impact individual-wise.

5 > 2

[tragicbronson]

You can't have a positive effect on the stat line if the rest of the team isn't on your level. It's a TEAM game, and the TEAM hasn't showed up. Kobe is just one part of the team, yet you guys act like he's the only player on the floor. Why is no one going at Lin for being so passive on offense? Our bigs being undersized and having 0 rim protection, Wes Johnson & Jordan Hill shooting 10+ mid-range jumpers per game... Byron Scott failing to make any adjustments, playing our starting 5 when the team is down 30+ in the 2nd half...

You guys act like Kobe has to do everything for this team.. The high amount of FGA comes from guys deferring to him when the offense can't get anything to go..

Yeah Kobe shot 15-34, rest of the team shot 24-65, rest of the starters combined for 10-34 shooting. And before you say that it's because they are standing around and Kobe isn't making plays, he set up Hill and Johnson countless times for open shots and they bricked them.


This goes back to the FO, put assembled the roster. Then it goes down to the coaching staff, that has made ZERO adjustments since the pre-season. Guys are still shooting way too many long 2s. Our best tactic on defense has been fouling, and lately we can't even seem to get guys to foul them hard enough that they wouldn't be able to finish, so many and-1s. Guys aren't playing physically nor are they communicating on defense, it looks like the D'Antoni Lakers but without the creativity on offense.

Why is Kobe not playing in the post and creating it from there? Why is Lin so damn passive? Why are there lack of screens for Kobe? Most of his jumpers seem to be off the dribble, why is Wes Johnson getting so many catch-and-shoot opportunities, but not Kobe or Lin or Ellington?

Kobe shooting a lot of shots is a result of all of those things. He sees that the team can't play competitively and he's doing what he's paid to do, which is put butts in the seats. He's giving us scoring highlights every game and Staples is filled to watch him play...

Like can anyone be honest here and give me a non-troll response on this? Can anyone answer any of those questions? Or does ISH seriously have nothing more to offer than trolls that make reaction threads off of boxscore numbers, expecting their bullshit to stick? :confusedshrug:

:applause: :applause:

Kobe shot 15-34, his teammates 24-65, this says it all, and they still have the guts to put the blame on their best player :facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

In terms of impact, it's been known for long time now that of hall of famers, Kobe has the least impact individual-wise.


I would say Kobe actually helped his teammates become better....Odom ( sixth man of the year) ouuta the league without Kobe....Gasol ( never won anything)...Parker....the list goes on and on.

Jordan on the Flipside has his teammates play better without him....( as I showed in my previous post)

I mean Pippen won 20 playoff games without Jordan....Jordan won 1 without Pippen.

[chazzy]

of hall of famers, Kobe has the least impact individual-wise.
One of your worst posts.

[DonDadda59]

Dude coming out of the grave on some Thriller bullshit :facepalm


Hold up yo argument holds no weight......Not only did Pippen , Grant and Armstrong make the Allstar team without MJ...They all shot a higher FG% despite taking MORE shots...

Dwight, Pau, Ariza all former Bean teammates who are taking more shots, scoring more, shooting better, and leading separate teams to the top of their respective conference post 37%be AKA Mr. 1-9 and counting.

Godbe help you if Gasol or Howard wins MVP and they lead their teams to the finals while Bean chucks the Lakers to a 12-70 record without them :eek:


( Now here's where it gets fun) the Bulls Defense improved holding teams to only 94PPG compared to 98ppg with MJ!! ( because of Kerr or Toni??....no way)

When Jordan came back for a full season, the Bulls were ranked #1 on offense (went from c. 101 PPG w/o him to 105.2 w/ him), #1 on defense (went from c. 97 PPG w/o him to 92.9 w/ him) and won a record 72 games. But that was all Rodman and his 64 games doe :oldlol:


MJ could have easily been a bald headed Dominique Wilkins if not for the Phil System.....


And what's Bean without an all star level big man? Taller, greedier, less efficient, less impactful Iverson is what. This is the second time in his career he's proven that. MVPau :bowdown:


where's my cookies....nom...num...nom...

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

In terms of impact, it's been known for long time now that of hall of famers, Kobe has the least impact individual-wise.
Well there are some role-players in the hall of fame, but if there was a impact/popularity ratio, Kobe's would be among the lowest.

[unbreakable]

this team is garbage defensively.. kobe shut down lebron in the all star game a few months ago..

kobe is still ELITE, but his teammates are garbage (lin is aight and respectable)

no bigs, no defense = hopeless.. atleast kobe makes this team FUN TO WATCH $$$$

[AlphaWolf24]

Dude coming out of the grave on some Thriller bullshit :facepalm

JJJJAMMMM!

Dwight, Pau, Ariza all former Bean teammates who are taking more shots, scoring more, shooting better, and leading separate teams to the top of their respective conference post 37%be AKA Mr. 1-9 and counting.

Godbe help you if Gasol or Howard wins MVP and they lead their teams to the finals while Bean chucks the Lakers to a 12-70 record without them :eek:

You have a point...just as Pippen nearly won an MVP without MJ...nearly won a Title without MJ...on the flipside...MJ without Pippen had 5 losing seasons and a 1 - 10 playoff record with a .420% winning %



When Jordan came back for a full season, the Bulls were ranked #1 on offense (went from c. 101 PPG w/o him to 105.2 w/ him), #1 on defense (went from c. 97 PPG w/o him to 92.9 w/ him) and won a record 72 games. But that was all Rodman and his 64 games doe :oldlol:


So if it wasn't because of Rodman then how come the Bull's didn't win 72 in 1991 , 92 , 93'??..when Jordan was at his absolute peak


again...MJ returned in 1995 and played 17 games before the playoffs ( he played 20 games in 1986 after a severe injury before returning) There was no rust in 1986...The Bull's couldn't compete with Orlando because they had no interior Defense and rebounding.

enter Rodman and the Bull's play great!...even better then 1991 - 93' when MJ was at his peak...Kindergarten math son.

And what's Bean without an all star level big man? Taller, greedier, less efficient, less impactful Iverson is what. This is the second time in his career he's proven that. MVPau :bowdown:

Badheaded Dominique Wilkins VS Allen Iverson if he drank Milk...seems fair



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2EZ...thumps chest

[DonDadda59]

You have a point...just as Pippen nearly won an MVP without MJ...nearly won a Title without MJ...on the flipside...MJ without Pippen had 5 losing seasons and a 1 - 10 playoff record with a .420% winning %

:oldlol:

Pippen 'nearly won a title' when he lost in the second round? Dwight nearly won a title when he led the Magic to the Finals, same with Shaq. That's what your teammates nearly winning the title without you actually looks like. And you just might get a refresher course again this season with 2 former Kobe scapegoats going at it in the finals. MVPau vs Dwight for the finals MVP. Would be so good. So good :lol

And let's not forget Shaq actually won a title without Kobe, you can argue 2 since Bean put up past prime Jeremy Lin numbers in the '00 Finals. Imagine the Bulls winning a ring with Jordan putting up 15 PPG on 37% shooting in a finals series... Inconceivable.



So if it wasn't because of Rodman then how come the Bull's didn't win 72 in 1991 , 92 , 93'??..when Jordan was at his absolute peak


again...MJ returned in 1995 and played 17 games before the playoffs ( he played 20 games in 1986 after a severe injury before returning) There was no rust in 1986...The Bull's couldn't compete with Orlando because they had no interior Defense and rebounding.

enter Rodman and the Bull's play great!...even better then 1991 - 93' when MJ was at his peak...Kindergarten math son.

I keep trying to explain to you in the simplest manner possible that the 2nd 3-peat Bulls roster was far deeper and talented than the first. The '94 team 'others' that lost in the second round was better than the '93 squad the GOAT brought to the promised land. That's why when MJ got to play with them at full strength (swapping Grant for old ass, oft-injured Rodman) they set the record books on fire.

Tell me why the Spurs didn't win 70 when Rodman joined them? They won 62 with him playing 40 something games, then 59 when he left. He joined the Lakers the season after a 35 year old Jordan won him his 5th ring. Why wasn't LA even remotely on pace to win 70, let alone 60?

You know like I and everyone else knows who was the driving force of those record setting teams and it wasn't Kim Jung Un's bff :oldlol:


2EZ...thumps chest

Ain't he adorable? :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

:oldlol:

Pippen 'nearly won a title' when he lost in the second round? Dwight nearly won a title when he led the Magic to the Finals, same with Shaq. That's what your teammates nearly winning the title without you actually looks like. And you just might get a refresher course again this season with 2 former Kobe scapegoats going at it in the finals. MVPau vs Dwight for the finals MVP. Would be so good. So good :lol


Heck yeah they nearly won a title...Hollins made one of the worst calls in Playoff history...if Bull's get past the Knicks, Bull's would face an Indiana squad in witch they had a winning record against.

face it...everyone thought the Bulls would be irrelevant once MJ left, fact is they still were contenders with or without MJ.

MJ's impact on the win loss column is minimal.

And let's not forget Shaq actually won a title without Kobe, you can argue 2 since Bean put up past prime Jeremy Lin numbers in the '00 Finals. Imagine the Bulls winning a ring with Jordan putting up 15 PPG on 37% shooting in a finals series... Inconceivable.


Yes in the same context Kobe won 2 titles without Shaq.....meanwhile
Michael Jordan looked like TMAC's playoff record without PiPpen...seriously...

Jordan would never put up 15ppg in the finals....especially at 21 years old...MJ at 21 was losing in the sweet 16 ( on stacked teams) and guarding 6' PG from Alcorn st.




I keep trying to explain to you in the simplest manner possible that the 2nd 3-peat Bulls roster was far deeper and talented than the first. The '94 team 'others' that lost in the second round was better than the '93 squad the GOAT brought to the promised land. That's why when MJ got to play with them at full strength (swapping Grant for old ass, oft-injured Rodman) they set the record books on fire.

I know the 94' squad was decent...they replaced MJ with a CBA player , and picked up Toni and Kerr..they barely skipped a beat.

Everyone who watched the 90's bull's knows...that team was good...I was just pointing out how little MJ effected the win/loss column over an 82 game sample.

dude got replaced by a CBA player, a Euro and Kerr....and the defense improved..lol

Tell me why the Spurs didn't win 70 when Rodman joined them? They won 62 with him playing 40 something games, then 59 when he left. He joined the Lakers the season after a 35 year old Jordan won him his 5th ring. Why wasn't LA even remotely on pace to win 70, let alone 60?

because Pippen didn't come with him

You know like I and everyone else knows who was the driving force of those record setting teams and it wasn't Kim Jung Un's bff :oldlol:

yup...it was Madonna's BFF....



Ain't he adorable? :lol



I know this...

[ImKobe]

Watching the interviews with the other Lakers' players, they are looking like walking corpses out there... their eyes are dead.

Kobe sucked the life out of them.

That was Golden State's doing. When you get embarrassed like they did on defense, there's nothing you can do about it.

[DonDadda59]

MJ's impact on the win loss column is minimal.

You know you don't even believe that nonsense. :lol

Bulls were a .500 level team after Grant left and before Jordan returned. His first season back they won a record 72 games and went on another 3-peat run. But yeah, no impact there.

Meanwhile the Lakers won 56 games and made the second round the same season Jordan won 72... with Kobe putting up 7 PPG coming off the bench. The next season they won 61 and made the WCF with him again riding the bench, playing like a homeless man's Jamal Crawford. He missed a game in the '00 finals and was outplayed by Austin Croshere to the tune of 15 PPG on 37% FG... Lakers won the 'ship regardless. Overall, the Lakers were 29-6 (78% win, 64 win season pace without Kobe).

Even an old broken down Jordan turned a 19 win team into a playoff contender. Meanwhile as soon as Pau leaves, Kobe is on pace to turn a 27 win Lakers team into a 12 win Lakers team. Dat Impact. :lol


Yes in the same context Kobe won 2 titles without Shaq.....meanwhile
Michael Jordan looked like TMAC's playoff record without PiPpen...seriously...

All that shows is that Kobe was a better second option than Pippen. He was able to get the Lakers rings with his 6 for 24 magic whereas Pip could only muster a second round bounce of a team that was an improved version of a championship squad. Jordan comes back to turn them from a .500 squad into an all time great 72 win champion.

Kobe without a great big is just a worse version of Iverson. This is the second stretch of his career where he's proven that. This guy had both Dwight and Pau on his squad and look at what they're doing while leading separate teams. Then watch him chuck the Lakers into obscurity and come back here to talk about his impact. :oldlol:


Jordan would never put up 15ppg in the finals....especially at 21 years old...MJ at 21 was losing in the sweet 16 ( on stacked teams) and guarding 6' PG from Alcorn st

Nigguh please :lol

Jordan at 21 or any age >>>> poor man's Jamal Crawford. No way in hell the Bulls don't get blown out by 30 every game if Jordan put up 15 PPG on 37% in any finals series, get the f*ck outta here. Bean was just along for the ride on the Shaq express. John Paxson had better finals than that :lol


dude got replaced by a CBA player, a Euro and Kerr....and the defense improved..lol

Then when he got to play with those new additions- 72 wins, #1 ranked offense, #1 ranked defense, championship, finals MVP. GOAT :bowdown:


because Pippen didn't come with him

Pippen went off to go from 2nd option to 3rd with Hakeem and Barkley... and they got bounced in the first round. Pip then ran off to play 4th option on the Blazers and proceeded to pull off one of the biggest choke jobs in NBA History.

But funny that Rodman seemingly only had that all time great impact playing next to Jordan. Played next to David Robinson the prior 2 seasons... negligible impact. Played next to Shaq and poor man's Jamal Crawford immediately after... nothing.

Funny how that worked.