A brief analysis of the Lakers' roster or, Ed Davis is the lone bright spot in LA

[oarabbus]

Kobe - I'm not including Kobe in this discussion, obviously he's a legend and we're looking at the rest of the roster. Whether you're a stan or a hater, we're talking about the rest of the roster here.



J Lin - playing like ****ing garbage. Playing like he wants to lose the starting spot. He's ranged from frighteningly bad to slightly mediocre :facepalm

Jordan Hill - I thought Lakers fans said this guy was good? He's a decent rebounder and otherwise trash. Doesn't run the floor, not a great defender, absolute black hole.

Wesley Johnson - This guy is a straight up dumbass. I can't really tell him apart from Xavier Henry tbh, they're both just athletic and bring nothing else to the table except Javale-level stupidity

Boozer - Boozer sucks.

Ronnie Price - eh, his level of suckage (for what's expected) isn't quite as bad as the above names. I definitely won't call him a "bright spot" but he isn't a shitstain like these other guys. I think the defense is OK too. But damn terrible shooting. Don't get me wrong though this guy sucks too.

Jordan Clarkson - this guy is ****ing TERRIBLE. He's a black hole PG and just flat out sucks. I'd call him a homeless man's Patty Mills but I don't mean to disrespect Mills or any of his fans.

Bobby Sacre - I like this guy. I don't know what it is really but Sacre is alright in my book.

Xavier Henry - see Wesley Johnson

Ryan Kelly - Sucks

Ed Davis - this guy is good! I remember him being a nice player in spot minutes for Memphis. Very fluid in transition, a GREAT fastbreak player, high energy, doesn't seem to be the black hole the other forwards on this team, and a surprisingly good defender. Well, I can't speak to his defense actually but his shotblocking is certainly very nice. Seems to struggle in the half court though. Should be starting right now and the Lakers should definitely look to keep this guy as a bench player at least.

[sammichoffate]

Agree with all of it except for Clarkson and Kelly. They're still young, so I have hope for them. Clarkson is actually a rookie playing behind Lin and Price so i'm not surprised he isn't comfortable yet. Kelly's serviceable but nothing to write home about, he's a big who can score and knock the 3 down so at least he's not ****ing useless like Boozer. Disappointed in Johnson and Henry, thought they would work harder to improve in the off-season but I was dead wrong based on what i've seen. Lin is a mental midget and Hill isn't a starting center, wish the Lakers had gotten Thomas and Monroe to replace them this off-season. Someone to replace Johnson's garbage ass too. Team would be at least 5-5

[Genaro]

And those are the guys people expect Kobe to pass to.

BTW Sacre sucks as well. He used to be a bad player who knew his limitations, good defender scoring just on put backs and dunks but he started to take mid ranges and he misses almost them all (I didn't saw the garbage time today so I'm not talking about his play today)

[coin24]

Pretty much spot on:applause:

Coached by a useless tard also. Although no coach could do anything with this shitpile of a team:oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Ed Davis is literally the only player on this team I could see getting minutes on a title team. Everyone else is trash.

[Eric Cartman]

Tbh I really liked what Ryan Kelly brought to the team last year.

Pretty good player to have on your roster for shooting 3's and playmaking.

Aside from that, gotta agree with you.

[Jacks3]

Are you kidding me man? All those guys are amazing!!! Kobe is holding them back!!! I bet Boozer would turn into prime Malone without Bryant around, and Lin would start looking like peak CP3!!!

[chazzy]

It doesn't matter. It's a mercenary roster slapped together for a year or two while we get lotto picks and maybe get lucky in FA

[AKADS]

And Ed Davis is a player option next year. So he is playing for a salary. Bet he leaves LA next year.

[SpanishACB]

And those are the guys people expect Kobe to pass to.



Winning basketball isn't about finding the best player.

It's about finding the player in the best position to score.

Kobe is awful at doing this. And what's worse is that he's actually good at doing it but sucks by choice.

Alternatively, he's bad at the one only more important aspect to the game: defense.

That's why subtle agenda threads like this account for nothing once we come to peace with basic basketball logic.

[AirFederer]

Winning basketball isn't about finding the best player.

It's about finding the player in the best position to score.

Kobe is awful at doing this. And what's worse is that he's actually good at doing it but sucks by choice.

Alternatively, he's bad at the one only more important aspect to the game: defense.

That's why subtle agenda threads like this account for nothing once we come to peace with basic basketball logic.

Speaking the truth :cheers:

[Magic 32]

Speaking the truth :cheers:

Nice and easy truth when you go from one stacked team to the another.

[buddha]

Ed Davis a solid role player, he stands out because everyone else is complete trash.

[Imtheman]

Who is bobby? Its Robert:rolleyes:

[AirFederer]

Nice and easy truth when you go from one stacked team to the another.

I`m no Branstan so save it.

One question: Why is it Spurs get all these "euro scrubs" to play like they do?

I`ll give a couple of hints: Sharing the ball, unselfishness, defence, trust.

[9erempiree]

No analysis needed. We already knew this team sucked before the season started. Jordan Hill has become a spot-up guy this year and he was a energy guy in the past.

Can't believe they let Meeks and Farmar go. It's really hurting them now.

[Magic 32]

I`m no Branstan so save it.

One question: Why is it Spurs get all these "euro scrubs" to play like they do?

I`ll give a couple of hints: Sharing the ball, unselfishness, defence, trust.


You could have fooled me.

And here is another hint...

No Byron Scott. No Carlos Boozer and no Wes Johnson.

[GOBB]

Sixers fans chuckle at the state of the Lakers.

[Kblaze8855]

Sixers fans chuckle at the state of the Lakers.


Remember Laker fans clowning Tmac, AI, and Vince Carter on here for losing on teams like this and worse?

AI had Kenny gotdamn Thomas as his second option.

Tmac out there with Gordan Giricek, the remains of Patrick Ewing, Jacque Vaughn, and half a season of Mike Miller.

And Laker fans were laughing because they couldnt win while Kobe had teams that would make the playoffs without him.

Some of the same ones here now in fact. Not many...but you know you spot some of those ezboard Laker fans. Elite. Crisoner. Still a few around.

How many "Yea but....Kobe is a winner" topics we see 2000-2004 while Laker fans straight up ignored that guys like Paul Pierce were dragging drunk Vin Baker, Walter Mccarty, Kendrick Brown, Jiri Welsh, tony Battie, and Mark Blount to competitive games?

Kobe is great....but nobody is great enough to make up for playing with some geeks off the street.

But when its his rivals....his fans didnt seem to care.

You dont want to see any great player wasted on teams you know cant win....but it happens.

No need to act like its special.

Wade has had teams with 8-9 guys barely holding onto their roster spot.

Lebron went to the FINALS with old Z, Eric Snow, boobie, young andy, old Donyell Marshall, old David Wesley, Ira Newble, Scot Pollard, Damon Jones, Sasha, and Larry Hughes putting up 11 points on 34% shooting in the playoffs...and then got laughed at because he didnt win.

Vince rocking with Muggsy, Kevin Willis, Dee Brown, and Charles Oakley....in the 2000s! You cant have Haywood Workman on your team in this century.

Corliss Williamson was ok...but hes not supposed to be your second option. You cant go into battle with Olden Polynice, the memory of Otis Thorpe, past his prime Billy "Not quite" Owens and needing 20 points from Big Nasty to stay within 10. Hell Mitch had Terry Dehear starting at the point for a whole minute. Labradford smith! Pete chillicut!

And ive watched Kobe fans hate on every swingman of prominence for damn near 14 years on here....no matter how awful their roster.

But when he has awful teams we need to be fair?

Fine. be fair. Always be fair.

Just...be fair to everybody.

Kobe cant turn shit to sherbert. Nobody should be expected to.

[oarabbus]

Who is bobby? Its Robert:rolleyes:

:lol you really took the time to post that?

And oh yes the coach, how could I forget. Clearly Kobe/CoachBe is calling the shots (literally) while he's on the floor in LA. But Scott's system is crap. I KNOW Lin is playing like utter crap but if Scott actually implemented a system where players would move around when he has the ball on offense, it would hugely benefit the entire team. No one sets picks for him or makes cuts. This should be happening all the time but Lin at least has a knack for finding the open man on the PnR.



Remember Laker fans clowning Tmac, AI, and Vince Carter on here for losing on teams like this and worse?

AI had Kenny gotdamn Thomas as his second option.

Tmac out there with Gordan Giricek, the remains of Patrick Ewing, Jacque Vaughn, and half a season of Mike Miller.

And Laker fans were laughing because they couldnt win while Kobe had teams that would make the playoffs without him.

Some of the same ones here now in fact. Not many...but you know you spot some of those ezboard Laker fans. Elite. Crisoner. Still a few around.

How many "Yea but....Kobe is a winner" topics we see 2000-2004 while Laker fans straight up ignored that guys like Paul Pierce were dragging drunk Vin Baker, Walter Mccarty, Kendrick Brown, Jiri Welsh, tony Battie, and Mark Blount to competitive games?

Kobe is great....but nobody is great enough to make up for playing with some geeks off the street.

But when its his rivals....his fans didnt seem to care.

You dont want to see any great player wasted on teams you know cant win....but it happens.

No need to act like its special.

Wade has had teams with 8-9 guys barely holding onto their roster spot.

Lebron went to the FINALS with old Z, Eric Snow, boobie, young andy, old Donyell Marshall, old David Wesley, Ira Newble, Scot Pollard, Damon Jones, Sasha, and Larry Hughes putting up 11 points on 34% shooting in the playoffs...and then got laughed at because he didnt win.

Vince rocking with Muggsy, Kevin Willis, Dee Brown, and Charles Oakley....in the 2000s! You cant have Haywood Workman on your team in this century.

Corliss Williamson was ok...but hes not supposed to be your second option. You cant go into battle with Olden Polynice, the memory of Otis Thorpe, past his prime Billy "Not quite" Owens and needing 20 points from Big Nasty to stay within 10. Hell Mitch had Terry Dehear starting at the point for a whole minute. Labradford smith! Pete chillicut!

And ive watched Kobe fans hate on every swingman of prominence for damn near 14 years on here....no matter how awful their roster.

But when he has awful teams we need to be fair?

Fine. be fair. Always be fair.

Just...be fair to everybody.

Kobe cant turn shit to sherbert. Nobody should be expected to.


What a great post. I know it's too much to ask for but I wish Kobestans could read this with an objective point of view.

[GOBB]

Remember Laker fans clowning Tmac, AI, and Vince Carter on here for losing on teams like this and worse?

AI had Kenny gotdamn Thomas as his second option.

Tmac out there with Gordan Giricek, the remains of Patrick Ewing, Jacque Vaughn, and half a season of Mike Miller.

And Laker fans were laughing because they couldnt win while Kobe had teams that would make the playoffs without him.

Some of the same ones here now in fact. Not many...but you know you spot some of those ezboard Laker fans. Elite. Crisoner. Still a few around.

How many "Yea but....Kobe is a winner" topics we see 2000-2004 while Laker fans straight up ignored that guys like Paul Pierce were dragging drunk Vin Baker, Walter Mccarty, Kendrick Brown, Jiri Welsh, tony Battie, and Mark Blount to competitive games?

Kobe is great....but nobody is great enough to make up for playing with some geeks off the street.

But when its his rivals....his fans didnt seem to care.

You dont want to see any great player wasted on teams you know cant win....but it happens.

No need to act like its special.

Wade has had teams with 8-9 guys barely holding onto their roster spot.

Lebron went to the FINALS with old Z, Eric Snow, boobie, young andy, old Donyell Marshall, old David Wesley, Ira Newble, Scot Pollard, Damon Jones, Sasha, and Larry Hughes putting up 11 points on 34% shooting in the playoffs...and then got laughed at because he didnt win.

Vince rocking with Muggsy, Kevin Willis, Dee Brown, and Charles Oakley....in the 2000s! You cant have Haywood Workman on your team in this century.

Corliss Williamson was ok...but hes not supposed to be your second option. You cant go into battle with Olden Polynice, the memory of Otis Thorpe, past his prime Billy "Not quite" Owens and needing 20 points from Big Nasty to stay within 10. Hell Mitch had Terry Dehear starting at the point for a whole minute. Labradford smith! Pete chillicut!

And ive watched Kobe fans hate on every swingman of prominence for damn near 14 years on here....no matter how awful their roster.

But when he has awful teams we need to be fair?

Fine. be fair. Always be fair.

Just...be fair to everybody.

Kobe cant turn shit to sherbert. Nobody should be expected to.

I didn't want to go there but yup. :oldlol:

[Optimus Prime]

Pretty spot-on analysis of the Lakers roster by the OP. I remember during the pre-season the Lakers announcers would keep going on and on about how great Clarkson looks, yet he shot terribly and never passed. Lo and behold, he's the exact same in the regular season. What a shocker.


And Ed Davis is a player option next year. So he is playing for a salary. Bet he leaves LA next year.

Crap, you're right. At least Jordan Hill is a team option. Hill was a great backup big at 4-5 mil and 25-30 mins a night providing some energy and hustle off the bench. He is terrible as a starter making 9 mil.

The bright spots of this Lakers team is Kobe playing at an elite level at 36 years old after 19 season and two terrible injuries, Julius Randle (who of course is out for his rookie season after the first game), and Ed Davis. But hey, Kobe is the reason this team sucks, right? :facepalm

:kobe:

[Optimus Prime]

Remember Laker fans clowning Tmac, AI, and Vince Carter on here for losing on teams like this and worse?

AI had Kenny gotdamn Thomas as his second option.

Tmac out there with Gordan Giricek, the remains of Patrick Ewing, Jacque Vaughn, and half a season of Mike Miller.

And Laker fans were laughing because they couldnt win while Kobe had teams that would make the playoffs without him.

Some of the same ones here now in fact. Not many...but you know you spot some of those ezboard Laker fans. Elite. Crisoner. Still a few around.

How many "Yea but....Kobe is a winner" topics we see 2000-2004 while Laker fans straight up ignored that guys like Paul Pierce were dragging drunk Vin Baker, Walter Mccarty, Kendrick Brown, Jiri Welsh, tony Battie, and Mark Blount to competitive games?

Kobe is great....but nobody is great enough to make up for playing with some geeks off the street.

But when its his rivals....his fans didnt seem to care.

You dont want to see any great player wasted on teams you know cant win....but it happens.

No need to act like its special.

Wade has had teams with 8-9 guys barely holding onto their roster spot.

Lebron went to the FINALS with old Z, Eric Snow, boobie, young andy, old Donyell Marshall, old David Wesley, Ira Newble, Scot Pollard, Damon Jones, Sasha, and Larry Hughes putting up 11 points on 34% shooting in the playoffs...and then got laughed at because he didnt win.

Vince rocking with Muggsy, Kevin Willis, Dee Brown, and Charles Oakley....in the 2000s! You cant have Haywood Workman on your team in this century.

Corliss Williamson was ok...but hes not supposed to be your second option. You cant go into battle with Olden Polynice, the memory of Otis Thorpe, past his prime Billy "Not quite" Owens and needing 20 points from Big Nasty to stay within 10. Hell Mitch had Terry Dehear starting at the point for a whole minute. Labradford smith! Pete chillicut!

And ive watched Kobe fans hate on every swingman of prominence for damn near 14 years on here....no matter how awful their roster.

But when he has awful teams we need to be fair?

Fine. be fair. Always be fair.

Just...be fair to everybody.

Kobe cant turn shit to sherbert. Nobody should be expected to.

2005-2006 Lakers:

Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Devean George
Devin Green
Jim Jackson
Aaron McKie
Stanislav Medvedenko
Chris Mihm
Lamar Odom
Smush Parker
Laron Profit
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vujacic
Von Wafer
Luke Walton

2006-2007 Lakers:

Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Maurice Evans
Jordan Farmar
Aaron McKie
Lamar Odom
Smush Parker
Vladimir Radmanovic
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vujacic
Luke Walton
Shammond Williams

Kobe Bryant led those rosters to the playoffs.

That selective memory though.

:kobe:

Edit: More detailed rosters.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lamar Odom is significantly better than anybody on LeBron's 07 team, T-Mac's 03 Orlando team, or Wade's 08-10 Heat cast.

[Optimus Prime]

Not to mention Kobe Bryant did this while playing in the WEST, not the LEAST.

But hey, haters gonna hate on a man in the twilight of his career stuck on a bad team. Easy to kick a man while he's down. ISH keeping it classy, as always.

:kobe:

[KungFuJoe]

Price is solid...poor man's Beverley. Not as good D, not as good 3, but doesn't turn the ball over and is just solid, but boring.

Ed Davis is getting slightly overrated. He's a great shot blocker, but that's about it. His offense is limited to 5 feet in and even then he misses a lot of short ones. You can't depend on him for ANY scoring.

Boozer is awful on D, but he's a reliable scorer who can stretch the defense. I'm starting to understand why Scott starts and plays him. Davis is NOT more valuable, overall, imo.

Lin is getting bashed a little too much, but that's how it works with Lin. Spotlight is always on him and so is the magnifying glass. He had a HORRIBLE game, but he also didn't really get much PT in a blowout loss where no Laker really seemed to care. He had scored in double figures in 5 straight games and his TOs were down. It's just that when he DOES turn the ball over, it looks pretty bad. But he hasn't had more than 3 TOs in the last 6 games. He obviously struggles next to a ball dominant SG, but he's not the total shitstain that everyone says he is. He's still averaging about 12ppg (haven't checked since last game) and 4 assists and he's playing REALLY badly right now and can only get better.

Jordan Hill has been the biggest disappointment so far. He was supposed to be the man other than Kobe and our force inside. Instead, he's lazy on D and just wants to shoot set shots. He only leads the league in offensive boards because Lakers miss so many freakin shots.

Everyone else is pretty much as advertised.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Price is solid...poor man's Beverley. Not as good D, not as good 3, but doesn't turn the ball over and is just solid, but boring.

Ed Davis is getting slightly overrated. He's a great shot blocker, but that's about it. His offense is limited to 5 feet in and even then he misses a lot of short ones. You can't depend on him for ANY scoring.

Boozer is awful on D, but he's a reliable scorer who can stretch the defense. I'm starting to understand why Scott starts and plays him. Davis is NOT more valuable, overall, imo.

Lin is getting bashed a little too much, but that's how it works with Lin. Spotlight is always on him and so is the magnifying glass. He had a HORRIBLE game, but he also didn't really get much PT in a blowout loss where no Laker really seemed to care. He had scored in double figures in 5 straight games and his TOs were down. It's just that when he DOES turn the ball over, it looks pretty bad. But he hasn't had more than 3 TOs in the last 6 games. He obviously struggles next to a ball dominant SG, but he's not the total shitstain that everyone says he is. He's still averaging about 12ppg (haven't checked since last game) and 4 assists and he's playing REALLY badly right now and can only get better.

Jordan Hill has been the biggest disappointment so far. He was supposed to be the man other than Kobe and our force inside. Instead, he's lazy on D and just wants to shoot set shots. He only leads the league in offensive boards because Lakers miss so many freakin shots.

Everyone else is pretty much as advertised.

Weren't you a Rockets fan last season? LOF confirmed

[sbw19]

No idea if this is true but..

"Klay Thompson would

[Smoke117]

Whether these guys are bad or not doesn't matter. The main problem with the Lakers offense in general is the offensive "system" they run is absolutely horrid. They only have two players that can get their own shot: Kobe and Lin. Kobe can't even get to the rim though and just ends up taking 20 foot turn around jumpers most of the time.

The others aren't guys like that and are being forced to play into an offense that does little to nothing to make things easier for them. Good role players would have trouble being effective the way the offense is run on this team right now. Byron Scott has no idea what he is doing as far as offense goes.

[KungFuJoe]

Weren't you a Rockets fan last season? LOF confirmed

Lin fan, yes. Rockets fan, HELL NO. I hate Houston...can't stand Harden or Howard.

Been a Lakers fan since the 80s.

Also...I'm NOT a Kobe fan.

[ImKobe]

No analysis needed. We already knew this team sucked before the season started. Jordan Hill has become a spot-up guy this year and he was a energy guy in the past.

Can't believe they let Meeks and Farmar go. It's really hurting them now.

Yeah that was stupid. Can't believe Jodie was let go after having a great season. Farmar too. Both shot the 3 well. Also don't understand why we didn't keep Bazemore. Lakers are thin at the 1 & 3 right now. Those guys competed.

[Kblaze8855]

2005-2006 Lakers:

Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Devean George
Devin Green
Jim Jackson
Aaron McKie
Stanislav Medvedenko
Chris Mihm
Lamar Odom
Smush Parker
Laron Profit
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vujacic
Von Wafer
Luke Walton

2006-2007 Lakers:

Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Maurice Evans
Jordan Farmar
Aaron McKie
Lamar Odom
Smush Parker
Vladimir Radmanovic
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vujacic
Luke Walton
Shammond Williams

Kobe Bryant led those rosters to the playoffs.

That selective memory though.

:kobe:

Edit: More detailed rosters.





Who said anything suggesting he didnt? I was here at the time. It was often discussed that he had become Tmac west. Bad team...barely make the playoffs...then lose. They both even lost after almost upsetting the top seeds by going up 3-1.

Kobe proved to be what several other great swingmen were.

The argument for years on ISH was...what Kobe would do in the position some of the others were in. And it turned out...he did the same thing.

Score and lose.

Which is exactly what people were saying while he was on great teams.

Kobe...in the position of a Tmac/AI/Vince/Pierce...would do about the same thing.

But he often got winners credit....while they were called losers...for being in the situation he did no better in.

Everyone is a victim of the situation.

[GOBB]

Who said anything suggesting he didnt? I was here at the time. It was often discussed that he had become Tmac west. Bad team...barely make the playoffs...then lose. They both even lost after almost upsetting the top seeds by going up 3-1.

Kobe proved to be what several other great swingmen were.

The argument for years on ISH was...what Kobe would do in the position some of the others were in. And it turned out...he did the same thing.

Score and lose.

Which is exactly what people were saying while he was on great teams.

Kobe...in the position of a Tmac/AI/Vince/Pierce...would do about the same thing.

But he often got winners credit....while they were called losers...for being in the situation he did no better in.

Everyone is a victim of the situation.

:applause:

You mess with 2k15 The Park? Maine Event still around. :pimp:

[Mr. Jabbar]

It doesn't matter. It's a mercenary roster slapped together for a year or two while we get lotto picks and maybe get lucky in FA

sad but tru

[KungFuJoe]

Losing Randle hurt us bad, too. Yeah, he's raw and out of control at times, but he's the only physical player we have outside of Davis. Boozer's softness seems to be rubbing off on Hill. Teams just waltz in on us like the front door is wide open.

[GOBB]

It doesn't matter. It's a mercenary roster slapped together for a year or two while we get lotto picks and maybe get lucky in FA

Sounds like the Sixers. Funny.

[ImKobe]

Losing Randle hurt us bad, too. Yeah, he's raw and out of control at times, but he's the only physical player we have outside of Davis. Boozer's softness seems to be rubbing off on Hill. Teams just waltz in on us like the front door is wide open.

Lakers are really thin at front court. Randle wouldn't have been a solution to our problems, but he probably would have been more aggressive on both ends than Boozer's been, plus he'd have given us energy and both offense and defense in transition. Also hurts big time that Kelly went down with another injury....

[Jacks3]

Who said anything suggesting he didnt? I was here at the time. It was often discussed that he had become Tmac west. Bad team...barely make the playoffs...then lose. They both even lost after almost upsetting the top seeds by going up 3-1.

Kobe proved to be what several other great swingmen were.

The argument for years on ISH was...what Kobe would do in the position some of the others were in. And it turned out...he did the same thing.

Score and lose.

Which is exactly what people were saying while he was on great teams.

Kobe...in the position of a Tmac/AI/Vince/Pierce...would do about the same thing.

But he often got winners credit....while they were called losers...for being in the situation he did no better in.

Everyone is a victim of the situation.
And none of that changes the fact that Kobe is a far, far better player than any of those guys except peak T-Mac.

Jordan didn't win with shit around him either. You're not saying anything profound here.