MJ averaged 33.6/6/6 in the NBA finals and LeBron averaged 22.5/8.1/7

[NBAplayoffs2001]

And people say he's better than MJ :yaohappy:

[riseagainst]

what are their FG% and 3p%?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Who the thinks Lebrons better than MJ besides his 18yo fans that never watched 90s ball?

Lebron has 0 shot of making the top 5 all time after the 07, 11 and 14 finals.
MJ, Kareem, Russell, Shaq and Hakeem are immortalized there

[chris02jammers]

so Kobetards already gave up hahahaha

[CelticBaller]

so Kobetards already gave up hahahaha
living behind the shadow of jordan like their idol :applause:

[chris02jammers]

living behind the shadow of jordan like their idol :applause:
yeah. MJ to the rescue after kobe failed them big time this season :lol :lol :lol

[r15mohd]

Who the thinks Lebrons better than MJ besides his 18yo fans that never watched 90s ball?

Lebron has 0 shot of making the top 5 all time after the 07, 11 and 14 finals.
MJ, Kareem, Russell, Shaq and Hakeem are immortalized there


14 finals?

:wtf:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

yeah. MJ to the rescue after kobe failed them big time this season :lol :lol :lol

I'm not a Kobe stan or a LeBron stan

[Dragic4Life]

Lebron played against tougher competition in the playoffs.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Lebron played against tougher competition in the playoffs.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

mid 2000s washed up pistons.
washed up celtics.
bum knicks (yes we stink).
no offense pacers.

[The_Pharcyde]

Yes obviously Jordans stats are better, he is the better player

Plus lebron has has some great performances in the finals but at the same time he has laid a lot of duds...

Lbj doesn't have a signature finals moment yet, he will get it someday probably

Who cares what an lbj fan has to say on this subject, their bias is through the roof. You can't blame them for picking their idol over a guy from the 1980-90's

Mj has a nearly bulletproof career, it's unfair to compare lebron to that, just let him be lebron

[The_Pharcyde]

Lebron played against tougher competition in the playoffs.


^these are the guys who make everyone hate lebron, it nearly gets to me too

The love is so strong for lbj it turns off other people

He is not Jordan, the ship sailed... Let him carve his own path man

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

14 finals?

:wtf:
Defense matters
Lebron put up numbers but that was one of the worst defensive performances from the best player on a finals team ive ever seen. Offball, onball, pickandroll, recovering etc. biggest margin lost in the finals, everything was at such a low level and supposedly Lebron is the defensive anchor............

[penny4president]

Lebron played against tougher competition in the playoffs.
dude what are you smoking???? :D

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Defense matters
Lebron put up numbers but that was one of the worst defensive performances from the best player on a finals team ive ever seen. Offball, onball, pickandroll, recovering etc. biggest margin lost in the finals, everything was at such a low level and supposedly Lebron is the defensive anchor............

Patty Mills blew by him baseline in game 5 :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Patty Mills blew by him baseline in game 5 :roll: :roll: :roll:
He was probably havin flashbacks of JJ Barea IMO

[NBAplayoffs2001]

He was probably havin flashbacks of JJ Barea IMO

Or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M
damn........i forgot about that play. Everyone on the mavs took turns on Lebron:lol :lol
it was like a tornado tag WWE style when runnin train on a btch:oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Who the thinks Lebrons better than MJ besides his 18yo fans that never watched 90s ball?

Lebron has 0 shot of making the top 5 all time after the 07, 11 and 14 finals.
MJ, Kareem, Russell, Shaq and Hakeem are immortalized there


:biggums:

[sportjames23]

damn........i forgot about that play. Everyone on the mavs took turns on Lebron:lol :lol
it was like a tornado tag WWE style when runnin train on a btch:oldlol:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:biggums:
they peaked much higher than players like Magic, Kobe, KG and Duncan and were better in the playoffs too

Birds peak is right there w/ them but homeboy was injured for too many playoff runs

[riseagainst]

damn........i forgot about that play. Everyone on the mavs took turns on Lebron:lol :lol
it was like a tornado tag WWE style when runnin train on a btch:oldlol:

:oldlol:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

they peaked much higher than players like Magic, Kobe, KG and Duncan and were better in the playoffs too

Birds peak is right there w/ them but homeboy was injured for too many playoff runs

Bro Magic and Duncan are #4 and #5.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bro Magic and Duncan are #4 and #5.
Shaq and Duncan were in they primes at the same time and matched up multiple times..........theres no way im calling Duncan a better player after what i saw.
Magic wasnt as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem. no one talks about the defensive side of the ball for Magic but dude was pretty bad there

[pauk]

Who the thinks Lebrons better than MJ besides his 18yo fans that never watched 90s ball?

Its actually EXACTLY that young audience that more often say Jordan was by far better, they cant do a more objective comparison due to not seeing LIVE game-to-game day-to-day year-by-year Jordan enough. Those guys (even the ones in their early to mid 20s, even late 20s) have seen only Jordan's highlights (highlight games & highlight videos) and learned / cared only about that....... you have not seen him be a human, you have not seen him fail, choke, flop, travel, brick, airball game-to-game.... you have not seen everyday random Jordan games....

I have witnessed Jordan during any time and let me just tell you one thing that is very clear, Lebron would have been Jordans toughest h2h matchup of his career, by far, he has never defended or been defended by such an animal.


Lebron has 0 shot of making the top 5 all time after the 07, 11 and 14 finals.

There is a difference between this actually being true and YOU WANTING IT TO BE TRUE as a sour Lebron hater.

Now, 14 Finals? What happened there? Hell, he arguably played better there than in any of his Finals...... 11 Finals i can understand.... but 07 Finals? Im sorry, but the context of that journey/that Cavs team just makes a single Finals appearance historically impressive. Disapproving him for that one is like trying to disapprove a VW Golf driver that came 2nd in a Formula 1 race........... where was Jordan at 21? But he had a bad team? Guess what, that team Lebron took to the Finals in 07 was just as bad / if not worse than any team Jordan had in the 80s...... im sure Jordan would have loved to switch his 80s early round exits for Finals appearances even if they were losses..... its not more prestigious to lose any earlier than Finals, im sorry....



MJ, Kareem, Russell, Shaq and Hakeem are immortalized there

Hakeem? Top 5?

[pauk]

Well, yea? Jordan was a better scorer, best ever infact, but they are different players....... Lebron however is much better than ~23 ppg, his ppg has been affected by situations Jordan has not faced.... like having a new team, roster, playing with 2 stars etc. for the first time OR getting to the Finals with the worst team in NBA Finals history and as a 21 year old trying to beat a Spurs team which even for any of Jordans/Bulls 6 Finals appearances would have been their best Finals competition...

[ArbitraryWater]

Except nobody is :facepalm

If you're taking a few trolls seriously you're just as bad.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Well, yea? Jordan was a better scorer, best ever infact, but they are different players....... Lebron however is much better than ~23 ppg, his ppg has been affected by situations Jordan has not faced.... like having a new team, roster, playing with 2 stars etc. for the first time OR getting to the Finals with the worst team in NBA Finals history and as a 21 year old trying to beat a Spurs team which even for any of Jordans/Bulls 6 Finals appearances would have been their best Finals competition...

Can't forget his historic 1.8ppg 4th quarter in the 2011 NBA finals.

GOAT choke.:bowdown:

[Lebron23]

Where did you get those stats?? Here is LBJ's Finals Stats.


Lebron James

27 games - 24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%


Kobe Bryant

37 games - 25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.3 tov, 41.2 FG%, 84.8 FT%, 50.7 TS%

[Lebron23]

Can't forget his historic 1.8ppg 4th quarter in the 2011 NBA finals.

GOAT choke.:bowdown:


When did you became a Kobetard?? LBJ is a better finals performer than Cancerbe.

[pauk]

Can't forget his historic 1.8ppg 4th quarter in the 2011 NBA finals.

GOAT choke.:bowdown:

I wouldnt be so kind to call 11 Finals a choke for Lebron.... for me you have to TRY first and FAIL miserably for that to be called a choke.... Lebron was passive, to unselfish for his own good, he averaged only something like 14 FGA that Finals, its not like that happened because of him shooting bad/choking, he shot 48% FG.... maybe if he was 4 of 30 every game, playing actually bad, actually TRYING & FAILING i would call it a choke...........

[riseagainst]

Where did you get those stats?? Here is LBJ's Finals Stats.


Lebron James

27 games - 24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%


Kobe Bryant

37 games - 25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.3 tov, 41.2 FG%, 84.8 FT%, 50.7 TS%

Thread title is says MJ and Lebron. What's Kobe gotta do with this?

[Hey Yo]

Shaq and Duncan were in they primes at the same time and matched up multiple times..........theres no way im calling Duncan a better player after what i saw.
Magic wasnt as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem. no one talks about the defensive side of the ball for Magic but dude was pretty bad there
I've brought it up many times on this site, but most choose to ignore the fact that Magic was horrible on D. He has no right to be in the top 5 by only playing on one side of the court.

[Dragic4Life]

Thread title is says MJ and Lebron. What's Kobe gotta do with this?
Exactly.

Kobe can't measure up.

[Lebron23]

Exactly.

Kobe can't measure up.


+1

[Brizzly]

Fact: MJ played in the expansion 90s era.

87: 23 teams
95: 29 teams

Opinion: The league sucked, it is painful to watch a full game from the 90s, where no defense were played.

He is the most overrated player in basketball history. He was great and one of the best all time but LeBron would eat him alive.

[riseagainst]

I've brought it up many times on this site, but most choose to ignore the fact that Magic was horrible on D. He has no right to be in the top 5 by only playing on one side of the court.

you obviously haven't watched any footage of Magic.

[riseagainst]

Exactly.

Kobe can't measure up.

obviously not since he's always brought up even in topics unrelated to him. Seems like he's living rent free in your heads.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I'm a Jordantard not a Kobetard.

[Brizzly]

87: 23 teams
95: 29 teams[/B]
.


To expand on this.. Imagine expanding the league with six more teams today, that would mean you'd add at least 72 new players to the league, from the d-league, low draft picks, euroscrubs etc..

MJ dominated in a weak era, weak mans tony allen in todays league.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

35 points in a half in one NBA finals game

average over 40 ppgs in the finals in 1993 :bowdown:

[Hey Yo]

you obviously haven't watched any footage of Magic.
Why would I need to watch footage considering I saw him play live on TV for many years to come to my conclusion?

[fragokota]

Defense matters
Lebron put up numbers but that was one of the worst defensive performances from the best player on a finals team ive ever seen. Offball, onball, pickandroll, recovering etc. biggest margin lost in the finals, everything was at such a low level and supposedly Lebron is the defensive anchor............

Shutup, lbj wasn't the reason we lost to SAS last year. They were the better team, they wanted it more, they were motivasted due to how the lost the year before. Better coaching, great chemistry and team plays, just flat out a better team than us. Lebron had a good series overall.

[Beastmode88]

Lmao bran stan trying to pass off kobe for MJ. Now I've seen everything. :lol

[penny4president]

When did you became a Kobetard?? LBJ is a better finals performer than Cancerbe.
LBJ is 2/5 , while Kobe is 5/7..:coleman:

[Lebron23]

LBJ is 2/5 , while Kobe is 5/7..:coleman:
Both have the same numbers of Finals MVP. And Lebron is better in the regular season, playoffs and in the nba finals.

[PsychoBe]

Both have the same numbers of Finals MVP. And Lebron is better in the regular season, playoffs and in the nba finals.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

5 > 2

[penny4president]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

5 > 2 THIS!!

[Hey Yo]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

5 > 2
They each have 2 rings, with LeBron playing in 4 Finals as the first option and Kobe playing in 3 as the first option.

[riseagainst]

They each have 2 rings, with LeBron playing in 4 Finals as the first option and Kobe playing in 3 as the first option.

getting desperate. "Let's put arbitrary parameters and see what comparisons we get."

[PsychoBe]

They each have 2 rings, with LeBron playing in 4 Finals as the first option and Kobe playing in 3 as the first option.

oh yea you're right......





































https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTId0VHCAAA6yfD.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

oh yea you're right......





































https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTId0VHCAAA6yfD.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:eek:

32-7-6 in the playoffs in the western conference.
vs Blazers, Kings and Spurs.
:bowdown:
:bowdown:
:bowdown:

[Beastmode88]

:eek:

32-7-6 in the playoffs in the western conference.
vs Blazers, Kings and Spurs.
:bowdown:
:bowdown:
:bowdown:

Lol bran stand having a meltdown... Thread is lebron vs mj then suddenly its lebron vs kobe.. The damage control is unreal.

[Asiantastic]

Where did you get those stats?? Here is LBJ's Finals Stats.


Lebron James

27 games - 24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, 3.8 tov, 46.3 FG%, 76.1 FT%, 54.6 TS%


Kobe Bryant

37 games - 25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.3 tov, 41.2 FG%, 84.8 FT%, 50.7 TS%

Kobe's got you so rattled that you bring up his averages in a MJ and LeBron thread. Well done, sir.

[PsychoBe]

Kobe's got you so rattled that you bring up his averages in a MJ and LeBron thread. Well done, sir.

bran's played ten less games and he cant even average more points :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

:eek:

32-7-6 in the playoffs in the western conference.
vs Blazers, Kings and Spurs.
:bowdown:
:bowdown:
:bowdown:
Thought you weren't a Kobe Stan

:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

:eek:

32-7-6 in the playoffs in the western conference.
vs Blazers, Kings and Spurs.
:bowdown:
:bowdown:
:bowdown:
The thread is about the Finals, not what happened leading up to it.

[Hey Yo]

oh yea you're right......





































https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTId0VHCAAA6yfD.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
That's Kobe's numbers in the Finals against Philly?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

That's Kobe's numbers in the Finals against Philly?

nope Western conference

35ppg vs Kings and 33/7/7 vs. Spurs

[riseagainst]

Thought you weren't a Kobe Stan

:oldlol:

so you are saying 32-7-6 in the playoffs is sh1t?
:confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

The thread is about the Finals, not what happened leading up to it.

i'm just looking at the picture. I didn't even post it. Relax. Take a deep breath.

[PsychoBe]

That's Kobe's numbers in the Finals against Philly?

how many games do you play to get to the finals?

don't worry i'll wait for you to do the math. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

how many games do you play to get to the finals?

don't worry i'll wait for you to do the math. :oldlol:
Typical Kobe stan.

"Look what he did before the Finals!!!"

[imdaman99]

I'm a Jordantard not a Kobetard.
You call yourself a Knicks fan and a Jordantard? :biggums:

That is worse than the supposed Knicks fan who is a Rose stan :facepalm

[PsychoBe]

Typical Kobe stan.

"Look what he did before the Finals!!!"

so would you rather have kobe failed before to help secure his finals legacy? :oldlol:

bran stans want their cake and want to eat it too. either the games before the finals count, or they don't. which is it?

[ArbitraryWater]

so you are saying 32-7-6 in the playoffs is sh1t?
:confusedshrug:

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

How pathetic are you for pulling up those wrong stats :oldlol: :facepalm

Kobetards

Edit: And if you are an MJ tard, you're an insecure clown.

[Hey Yo]

so would you rather have kobe failed before to help secure his finals legacy? :oldlol:

bran stans want their cake and want to eat it too. either the games before the finals count, or they don't. which is it?
Considering that James is judged by Finals games only, it's only right to judge Kobe by his abysmal performances in the Finals against the so called LEast.

41% career FG% in the Finals.....:roll: while having the wide open looks due to Shaq making the pass while getting double/tripled teamed.

[Angel Face]

The sad thing about Lebron is that his signature finals moment was made by Ray Allen. When you think about Lebron's performances in the finals... it is composed of:

Choking
Cramping
Ray Allen's shot
Kawhii Leonard

Dude doesn't have a good finals besides 2012 vs Thunder were he just performed his usual average. Nothing fancy, nothing special. He just had a super team.

[chazzy]

while having the wide open look due to Shaq making the pass while getting double/tripled teamed.
Exposing yourself as a recent NBA fan

[Hey Yo]

Exposing yourself as a recent NBA fan
How so?

You implying that Shaq rarely passed it back out to the perimeter when Kobe was getting guarded by nobody?

[chazzy]

Kobe was getting guarded by nobody?
He keeps going!

[Rose'sACL]

^these are the guys who make everyone hate lebron, it nearly gets to me too

The love is so strong for lbj it turns off other people

He is not Jordan, the ship sailed... Let him carve his own path man
i am more than sure that dragic, dubeta and others who post just like him are all kobe fans.
You can notice how they make threads that are sure to backfire. they even word it in a manner that people can comeback with a great reply to make fun of lebron.