11/17/2014 Gamethread: Rockets (9-1) @ Grizzlies (9-1)

[TaLvsCuaL]

Both 9-1, Memphis 5-0 at home and Houston 6-0 away. Two of the teams currently in better form. Should be a good game.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Allen in foul trouble already :banghead:

[Proctor]

Here's a real test for the Rockets.

[r0drig0lac]

Memphis defense is too good to watch

[TaLvsCuaL]

Grizzlies rarely relax defensively.

[Smook A.]

Donatas Motiejunas is a ****ing worthless piece of shit. He honestly does nothing good for the team. Terrence Jones needs to come back fast

[Twiens]

I love this Memphis team, my bandwagon team in the West.

[Smook A.]

Good D, Harden

[TaLvsCuaL]

Conley is awesome

[r0drig0lac]

There are no easy baskets against these guys, awesome

[TaLvsCuaL]

Very good defense by Koufos

[Smook A.]

How the **** do you miss a layup!!

[TaLvsCuaL]

I love teamball so much :lol

[Smoke117]

Here's a real test for the Rockets.

...not really. The Rockets are on a back to back AND playing in Memphis. The Grizzlies should be expected to win this game.

[Magic731]

Wouldn't say the Rockets are in good form, only managing a one point win against the Sixers and then only putting up 69 against OKC.

[Smook A.]

Are you ****ing kidding me!!!! fuuuuuckkkk :rant

[toxicxr6]

Dam the rockets look like trash right now

[Smook A.]

I hate playing the grizzlies. I really do

[Smook A.]

Turnover, three, turnover, three

Rinse and repeat

[AussieG]

Everything Grizz did at the end of that quarter turned to gold, everything Rockets did turned to crap. All starts with the D though.

:banana:

[No.45]

Grizz' defence is tenacious! No excuse for harden when Tony Allen's out for almost all of the quarter

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I hate playing the grizzlies. I really do
what number are you wearing:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Proctor]

...not really. The Rockets are on a back to back AND playing in Memphis. The Grizzlies should be expected to win this game.
It should still be competitive and so far it's not. I fear for the Rockets come playoff time. They don't fair well versus disciplined teams.

[Smook A.]

what number are you wearing:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
:whatever:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Grizz' defence is tenacious! No excuse for harden when Tony Allen's out for almost all of the quarter
did he get injured or something:( :(

[TaLvsCuaL]

did he get injured or something:( :(
foul trouble and bitchy attitude

[AussieG]

The wheels have fallen off for the Rockets.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Rockets playing really bad at the moment, Memphis is one of the best team at choking tho

[Smook A.]

McFail's rotations really confuse me

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Tony in time to get dat work:banana: :banana: :banana:

[Smook A.]

Why the hell isn't McHale putting Canaan in? He was solid when Bev was out

[Smook A.]

D-Mo is one of the worst players in the NBA

[T_L_P]

Just checked the score. :biggums:

Houston gonna go under 70 again?

[TaLvsCuaL]

D-Mo is one of the worst players in the NBA
This one was not foul at all to be fair

[Smook A.]

This one was not foul at all to be fair
No saying cause he fouled. He's just so so worthless.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Thas was beatiful pass by Harden

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

so houston was ranked 4th in offense last year and is gonna be below 20 after this game......yall still shttin on Parson:confusedshrug:

their defense got better but still..........

[TaLvsCuaL]

Vinsanity is back!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Smook A.]

so houston was ranked 4th in offense last year and is not even gonna be below 20 after this game......yall still shttin on Parson:confusedshrug:

their defense got better but still..........
Memphis is a great defensive team. There's a really low chance you're gonna score 100 on them. Hell, getting to 90 would even be hard.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Memphis is great defensive team. There's a really low chance you're gonna score 100 on them. Hell, getting to 90 would even be hard.
yall couldnt hit 70 against a KD/Westbrook less OKC:biggums: :biggums:

Houstons problems gonna be more and more obvious the better teams they face. theyve had one of the easiest schedules thru 10........they have the #1 defense but theyve played bad offensive teams and their offense has looked bad......

[Magic731]

Rockets couldn't get 90 against the Sixers, couldn't get 70 against OKC. Something is wrong.

[Smook A.]

These bastards dont miss

[L.Kizzle]

Rockets ...

[Smook A.]

Get on Quincy Pondexter, and make some smart plays god dammit!

[ronnymac]

Dwight is a turnover machine. Some of his passes out of the block has been stupid.these turnovers are just out of this world.the grizzlies are hitting shots they would only dream of. Combination them playing out of their skins and us being atrocious

[The_Yearning]

This is a offensive game of a lifetime for the Grizzlies. They won't be able to replicate this type of O come playoff time though.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Definitely Memphis is playing better offense than they should play, I can see a comeback in the second half.

[Smook A.]

Rockets are on an obvious shooting slump, they're coming off a hard fought game in OKC, missing one of their best players in T-Jones (thus have to play D-Mo *sigh*), and generally struggle against Memphis. I was expecting this, but I really didn't want it to look this bad.

All I know is that Memphis is legit.

[k0kakw0rld]

This is a offensive game of a lifetime for the Grizzlies. They won't be able to replicate this type of O come playoff time though.
bla bla bla

[r0drig0lac]

would only be betting on SAS against Memphis, all the other teams would have a hard time

[Fork]

Jesus Christ I hate Harden

[TaLvsCuaL]

one of the worst call i've ever seen

[Smook A.]

Lol Zach went out of bounds

[ronnymac]

Ball went out and then to top it off he stepped out. Open you're eyes ref.mchale get them into the gym and force every damn guard and small forward to shoot 1000 threes.

[Mr Exlax]

We're struggling, but to be fair we're still missing TJones, who is important to our team becausw the only alternative is DMo and he's been sucking ass this season. Couple that with us just getting Bev back and we're playing against a healthy Grizzlies team that have been together for some years. Couple that witg our head coach. Still gonna make the playoffs. Still not gonna do too much though.

[ronnymac]

Grizzlies game plan triple harden and force everyone lose to beat them. Problem no one is doing anything tonight.

[Smook A.]

This is one of the worst shooting slumps I've ever seen. **** this shit. I'm out

[Xsatyr]

Well at least I don't have to see threads from delusional Rockets fans for a while.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Wth was that play? :roll:

[ronnymac]

Morey is not stupid. He knows this team is lacking a few bench impact players and a backup big. Black is pure thrash. We have no interior offense or defense outside of Dwight.time to use the 8 mill trade player exception and putmontiuseless on the trade table.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Joerger should rest Marc, Z-Bo and Conley the rest of the game.

[AussieG]

97 points after 3 quarters.. :eek:

[ronnymac]

If Memphis plays their kind of defense get their offense clicking like this, good night the league. No one is beating these guys.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Houston is who we thought they were.. Come postseason they'll likely be one and done.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

If Memphis plays their kind of defense get their offense clicking like this, good night the league. No one is beating these guys.
Yeah except Memphis will never be this consistent on offense
theyve had games like this since 2011

[TaLvsCuaL]

Kostas Jabbar Koufos :lol

[Fork]

Memphis needs a consistent scorer and they're headed to the finals

[Warfan]

Harden 1-8, 6 points...:biggums:

[YouGotServed]

Outside of Harden, Howard and Ariza, this team is hot garbage. I can't wait till Rockets get a serviceable back up big. Black is the most useless player I've ever seen.

[rezznor]

7th road game and 3rd b2b game since the season started. the rockets desperately need some home games and practice time. i was expecting a loss, but dayam.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Imagine if Memphis had KD............could anyone beat them?

[TaLvsCuaL]

Imagine if Memphis had KD............could anyone beat them?
75-7 :lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

75-7 :lol
Seriously the only thing yall are missing is a great, consistent offensive wing....KD can play onball and offball at alltime levels......thats a wrap.....

Conley
Tony
KD
ZBo
Marc
:biggums: :biggums:

[Fork]

Imagine if Memphis had KD............could anyone beat them?

Or any addition of a consistently good offensive :eek: :bowdown:

[RoseCity07]

What did I say? What the f*ck did I say about the Rockets?:oldlol:

Pretenders. I knew that easy ass schedule was the reason for their record. Their first game against a team playing well and it's a blowout.

Not even watching but I'm guessing Tony Allen is shutting Harden down.:oldlol:

[It's A VC3!!!]

why the **** doesn't vince play? how and why do you sign him to a three year deal yet not play him? he should be playing 25 mpg and learning how to be an integral part of this offense. 7 minutes tonight is disgusting. dumb ass coach. put him in the starting lineup.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Or any addition of a consistently good offensive playhttp://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/coleman.jpger :eek: :bowdown:
Not really u need a player that can work offball
if u put melo or lebron in there the change wouldnt be anywhere near as big as KD

[el_locoteee]

Outside of Harden, Howard and Ariza, this team is hot garbage. I can't wait till Rockets get a serviceable back up big. Black is the most useless player I've ever seen.

Black is a decent back up center. And Jones is not garbage, neither Bev.

[Smook A.]

Houston is who we thought they were.. Come postseason they'll likely be one and done.
No way that's the real Houston basketball team. First of all, one of our best players, Terrence Jones is out, and he's going to be out for maybe a couple more weeks which is totally unfortunate. He's a wayy better player than our backup PF, Donatas Motiejunas aka D-Mo aka Dumbass MOther****er. D-Mo is just absolutely garbage and has a really hard time guarding top PFs. Jones isn't any better but he rebounds like a man and scores a decent amount of point every night. Those are two things D-Mo cannot do. Secondly, the Rockets have been on some kind of weird shooting slump these past few games. We can't make a 3 to save our life. Even open 3's aren't going down for us. You can't tell me this is how they usually shoot. For god's sake, we struggled shooting against the Philadelphia 76ers! That should tell you something. Once Houston gets it together and has all their players, they're going to get back on track.

Oh and Houston needs to find a legit backup center for Dwight. The current backup, Tarik Black, is a rookie who can't really play. He's also really undersized. I think if we sign a guy like maybe Jermaine O'Neal, it'll help solve some of our problems.

[ronnymac]

Get brewer and a backup big. We are lacking as swingman who can run and finish and shoot the damn ball off the bench.we are lacking a backup big with size really badly.we need some size and rebound at the 4 and 5. Black and Dorsey is just not upto it.

[YouGotServed]

Black is a decent back up center. And Jones is not garbage, neither Bev.

Black is a piece of shit player. Period. He tries to make up for his lack of size w/ energy and hustle plays but he's just not good enough. He can't catch, finish nor shoot. He's also undersized. "Energy" is literally the only thing this guy has to offer.

We need a backup big, f*cking ASAP.

[AussieG]

Jordan Adams in the game and nobody has passed him the ball once!

[el_locoteee]

No way that's the real Houston basketball team. First of all, one of our best players, Terrence Jones is out, and he's going to be out for maybe a couple more weeks which is totally unfortunate. He's a wayy better player than our backup PF, Donatas Motiejunas aka D-Mo aka Dumbass MOther****er. D-Mo is just absolutely garbage and has a really hard time guarding top PFs. Jones isn't any better but he rebounds like a man and scores a decent amount of point every night. Those are two things D-Mo cannot do. Secondly, the Rockets have been on some kind of weird shooting slump these past few games. We can't make a 3 to save our life. Even open 3's aren't going down for us. You can't tell me this is how they usually shoot. For god's sake, we struggled shooting against the Philadelphia 76ers! That should tell you something. Once Houston gets it together and has all their players, they're going to get back on track.

Oh and Houston needs to find a legit backup center for Dwight. The current backup, Tarik Black, is a rookie who can't really play. He's also really undersized. I think if we sign a guy like maybe Jermaine O'Neal, it'll help solve some of our problems.

Don't blame Dmo he have play decent, just got in foul trouble, actually from the starters he is the best +- (-2) while others...

21 TO and 20% from 30 3point attempts.

The one that have been straight garbage last few games is Papa.

[el_locoteee]

Black is a piece of shit player. Period. He tries to make up for his lack of size w/ energy and hustle plays but he's just not good enough. He can't catch, finish nor shoot. He's also undersized. "Energy" is literally the only thing this guy has to offer.

We need a backup big, f*cking ASAP.

Lol that remains me of Asik

[ronnymac]

Jordan Adams in the game and nobody has passed him the ball once!
He had to get his own ball to get a shot.:roll:

[Smook A.]

Lol that remains me of Asik
Shit, I miss Asik. He could really be useful right now.

[YouGotServed]

Lol that remains me of Asik

Now imagine Asik being 6-7.

Point made.

[ronnymac]

Much better black. Attack the basket.get active.

[AussieG]

Rockets callers "there goes the #1 defense rating"

[el_locoteee]

Now imagine Asik being 6-7.

Point made.

What point the both suck offensively and you looking for an offensive Big, so...

[el_locoteee]

Shit, I miss Asik. He could really be useful right now.

I don't. he will be faking an injury asking his agent to be traded

[YouGotServed]

What point the both suck offensively and you looking for an offensive Big, so...

It went over your head. Try again. Hint: No one is looking for an offensive big.

[el_locoteee]

It went over your head. Try again. Hint: No one is looking for an offensive big.

Then why mention he can't shoot catch or finish?... Hum?

Our back up Center is not the problem Rockets 9-2 with great defense while having 7 road games 3 back to backs in just 11 games while missing a lots of players. Rockets are just tired, now 5 homes games.

Stop overreacting.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No way that's the real Houston basketball team. First of all, one of our best players, Terrence Jones is out, and he's going to be out for maybe a couple more weeks which is totally unfortunate. He's a wayy better player than our backup PF, Donatas Motiejunas aka D-Mo aka Dumbass MOther****er. D-Mo is just absolutely garbage and has a really hard time guarding top PFs. Jones isn't any better but he rebounds like a man and scores a decent amount of point every night. Those are two things D-Mo cannot do. Secondly, the Rockets have been on some kind of weird shooting slump these past few games. We can't make a 3 to save our life. Even open 3's aren't going down for us. You can't tell me this is how they usually shoot. For god's sake, we struggled shooting against the Philadelphia 76ers! That should tell you something. Once Houston gets it together and has all their players, they're going to get back on track.

Oh and Houston needs to find a legit backup center for Dwight. The current backup, Tarik Black, is a rookie who can't really play. He's also really undersized. I think if we sign a guy like maybe Jermaine O'Neal, it'll help solve some of our problems.
How far do you realistically see them going in the postseason though? I just haven't been impressed with any of their W's (with the exception of maybe the game versus Miami) as they have ALL come against teams that are either tweeners or injury depleted.

[ronnymac]

5 game home stand now and time to practice again. McHale has to get these guys especially the bigs to start setting down screens to allow the shooters to get better looks and push the tempo better. We can't like tonight allow teams to get set in the half court because of our our lack of size on defense. We will get murderd.

Run and don't let them get established. I think Morey is going get active by December 15 to look for a backup big and some scoring power off the bench. The big prize would obviously a star Point because about side of James, who else can creat?. Tonight the Grizzlies just concentrated their defense on stoping James and it just put extra emphasis on getting another playmaker to pickup the load.we needed this reality to check to see what we are lacking and what we need.

[ronnymac]

How far do you realistically see them going in the postseason though? I just haven't been impressed with any of their W's (with the exception of maybe the game versus Miami) as they have ALL come against teams that are either tweeners or injury depleted.
No backup big, no playmaker outside of James, no offense off the bench and missing an 3rd option when games like tonight to pickup the slack when James and Dwight are shutdown. They are not wining anything. Luckly we have the Pelicans 1st, an 8.6 trade player exception and some young players to throw in as pieces plus two 2nd rounders we got from Sacramento.

A lot of teams could be interested in Terry and his 5 million expiring deal as well. Morey has plenty of option and cap space to get creative for roster upgrade.

[Milbuck]

Then why mention he can't shoot catch or finish?... Hum?

Our back up Center is not the problem Rockets 9-2 with great defense while having 7 road games 3 back to backs in just 11 games while missing a lots of players. Rockets are just tired, now 5 homes games.

Stop overreacting.
Lmfao at you acting like this is some incredible feat.

7 of those 9 wins were against the Sixers (twice), KD/WB-less Thunder, Lakers, Celtics, Jazz, TWolves..and the only elite team you beat was San Antonio without Duncan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Mills, and Splitter.

What happened when you guys faced a healthy elite team? Slaughtered by 26 points with your boy Beardsley going 1-8 :roll:

[YouGotServed]

Then why mention he can't shoot catch or finish?... Hum?

Our back up Center is not the problem Rockets 9-2 with great defense while having 7 road games 3 back to backs in just 11 games while missing a lots of players. Rockets are just tired, now 5 homes games.

Stop overreacting.

Because it adds to my point that Black literally cannot offer his team anything except "energy"...which is basically useless come playoff time (or in statement games in the regular season) when both teams are hyped up and ready to go.

To compare Black and Asik is just :facepalm worthy. So I'm not even going to entertain that (your) side of the argument.

Tell me, boy, what makes Black a serviceable big?

Enlighten me.

[el_locoteee]

Lmfao at you acting like this is some incredible feat.

7 of those 9 wins were against the Sixers (twice), KD/WB-less Thunder, Lakers, Celtics, Jazz, TWolves..and the only elite team you beat was San Antonio without Duncan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Mills, and Splitter.

What happened when you guys faced a healthy elite team? Slaughtered by 26 points with your boy Beardsley going 1-8 :roll:

You knows who beat bad teams and struggles vs good team last year? Yes the NBA Champions SA Spurs... So Houston next? :D

Last time Houston was 9-1 or better 2 times champions. Yes.

BTW 18 teams have tried to beat Memphis at home 18 have fail.

[el_locoteee]

Because it adds to my point that Black literally cannot offer his team anything except "energy"...which is basically useless come playoff time (or in statement games in the regular season) when both teams are hyped up and ready to go.

To compare Black and Asik is just :facepalm worthy. So I'm not even going to entertain that (your) side of the argument.

Tell me, boy, what makes Black a serviceable big?

Enlighten me.

About the same stats that Kosta Koufos get in Memphis playing behind and All star center. Same as Marreese Speights as Bogut's back up and about the same as every other back up center in the NBA.

[YouGotServed]

About the same stats that Kosta Koufos get in Memphis playing behind and All star center. Same as Marreese Speights as Bogut's back up and about the same as every other back up center in the NBA.

:facepalm

[UK2K]

Houston lost one game against a team who hasnt lost at home in... months?

Good thing theres 72 more, or we would be screwed.

[el_locoteee]

:facepalm

No answer, how many great back up center out there?

[zac]

About the same stats that Kosta Koufos get in Memphis playing behind and All star center. Same as Marreese Speights as Bogut's back up and about the same as every other back up center in the NBA.
Koufos is arguable the best back up true center in the NBA. He started 81 games before the Grizzlies traded for him. Speights is a deadly midrange jump shooter, he's not much on defense or rebounding really but his jumper is insanely accurate for a guy that big. Black barely made this Rockets team. I've watched Black since his freshman year at Memphis and I never really thought he'd make the NBA because he can't shoot, doesn't have a good touch and doesn't do anything exceptionally well (unlike a Reggie Evan/Chuck Hayes type player). He has time to learn and get better but at this point he's pure "energy" with no real dominant skill other than being big and athletic. I watched all of his Tigers games and I used to play basketball with his brother in college. I've watched him for years now and like that he's getting a chance to play but he's a long way from the guys you mentioned right now. He's got what you want physically, just needs to get it together and learn to rebound or defend or something at a very high level until his offense comes along.

[andremiller07]

Koufos is arguable the best back up true center in the NBA. He started 81 games before the Grizzlies traded for him. Speights is a deadly midrange jump shooter, he's not much on defense or rebounding really but his jumper is insanely accurate for a guy that big. Black barely made this Rockets team. I've watched Black since his freshman year at Memphis and I never really thought he'd make the NBA because he can't shoot, doesn't have a good touch and doesn't do anything exceptionally well (unlike a Reggie Evan/Chuck Hayes type player). He has time to learn and get better but at this point he's pure "energy" with no real dominant skill other than being big and athletic. I watched all of his Tigers games and I used to play basketball with his brother in college. I've watched him for years now and like that he's getting a chance to play but he's a long way from the guys you mentioned right now. He's got what you want physically, just needs to get it together and learn to rebound or defend or something at a very high level until his offense comes along.
Koufus man to man D is pure nasty, dude's a animal defending the paint one on one.

[oarabbus]

About the same stats that Kosta Koufos get in Memphis playing behind and All star center. Same as Marreese Speights as Bogut's back up and about the same as every other back up center in the NBA.


Are you really trying to argue losing Asik wasn't a big loss since you have Tarik Black?

:oldlol:

[All Net]

Grizzles looking great so far. .knew they would be a top team. Marc missing 40 games is why they were 8th last year.

[YouGotServed]

No answer, how many great back up center out there?

Ass-clown, is not about being great....it's about being serviceable. Do you understand the difference? No, you don't.

A back up big man should be able to: finish at the rim, rebound the ball, most importantly, height.

Black offers none of that and his incompetence shows. The guy is a rookie(?) who none of us thought would make the team about a month ago. I'll give him a pass on his defense because he's extremely young. But to act like Houston doesn't need a serviceable back up big is just lol. Stop it.

Take off your homer glasses, boy.

[Sakkreth]

D-Mo is one of the worst players in the NBA

Weird obsession, atleast he's better than Harden :confusedshrug: