Four players with 20+ games but the Cavs lose

[dunksby]

Does anybody care to play defense on this team?

[Clyde]

Denver was way overdue for a win

[russwest0]

Does anybody care to play defense on this team?

who do you expect to see playing defense on that team?

[Dragic4Life]

Kyrie needs to go.

I want to trade him for Dragic.

[I<3NBA]

Does anybody care to play defense on this team?
they can't stop transition baskets
they can't stop lay ups
they can't stop dribble drives

the only thing they can stop are jumpers

[dunksby]

who do you expect to see playing defense on that team?
Defense is a wholly team scheme, everybody gotta chime in.

[russwest0]

Defense is a wholly team scheme, everybody gotta chime in.

Not gonna happen with the egos on that team paired with the fact that most of the guys on that roster are lackluster defenders.

[dunksby]

they can't stop transition baskets
they can't stop lay ups
they can't stop dribble drives

the only thing they can stop are jumpers
Not that it's easy containing ballers like Afflalo and Lawson when they decide to show up but PO vets like LeBron and Marion should let the rest know this shit aint gonna fly come postseason.

[r15mohd]

Not gonna happen with the egos on that team paired with the fact that most of the guys on that roster are lackluster defenders.


what ego issues are there? outside of Kyrie saying he has to adjust to the new role, there hasn't been much quarrel on that part. :confusedshrug:

[Beastmode88]

Kyrie needs to go.

I want to trade him for Dragic.

Would u still be a suns fan if that went thru?

[Dragic4Life]

Would u still be a suns fan if that went thru?
I'm a diehard Suns fan.

But even as of now, I primarily root for the Cavs as they have the better chance to win it all.

If Dragic moves to the Cavs, I'll probably be a minor Suns fan still.

[beastee]

Kyrie needs to go.

I want to trade him for Dragic.
Oh yes. Dragic plays some great D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

[Smoke117]

This team would be so much better if they had John Wall instead of Kyrie Irving. A real pg who actually plays defense would work wonders for this team.

[DukeDelonte13]

Lebron is sometimes a huge culprit on the lazy D.

they play D in spurts, they need to play it CONSISTENTLY.

AND MOVE THE F*CKING BALL.



frustrating watching a team with so much talent piss games away because of stupid BS.

Makes me think that those Mike Brown led teams back in the day did so well because guys like D-West, Mo, Andy, Z, etc. played without having any preconceived notions as to what they were or weren't capable of doing on the floor whereas Kyrie and K-Love go out there looking to put up their numbers.

[beastee]

Lebron is sometimes a huge culprit on the lazy D.

they play D in spurts, they need to play it CONSISTENTLY.


He is. But I guarantee you come playoff time, he tightens that up. He is trying to preserve his body since he lost all that weight.

[r15mohd]

Lebron is sometimes a huge culprit on the lazy D.

they play D in spurts, they need to play it CONSISTENTLY.

AND MOVE THE F*CKING BALL.



frustrating watching a team with so much talent piss games away because of stupid BS.

Makes me think that those Mike Brown led teams back in the day did so well because guys like D-West, Mo, Andy, Z, etc. played without having any preconceived notions as to what they were or weren't capable of doing on the floor whereas Kyrie and K-Love go out there looking to put up their numbers.

this was us Heats fans same feeling during 2010-2014...enjoy! :hammerhead:

[Smoke117]

this was us Heats fans same feeling during 2010-2014...enjoy! :hammerhead:

The Heat played consistent defense except for the last season together. (and they were still ranked 11th that year...the Cavs are ranked 26th this year) It's not even close to being similar.

[r15mohd]

The Heat played consistent defense except for the last season together. (and they were still ranked 11th that year...the Cavs are ranked 26th this year) It's not even close to being similar.


initial starts out the gate in 2010 were just as much frustrating for the Heat fan-base...don't downplay it :no:

[Nash]

They are good on offense but suspect defense. They need Hibbert if Indy decide to tank.

Believe it or not, Kevin Love's defense has been better than what it was advertised to be.

[DukeDelonte13]

They are good on offense but suspect defense. They need Hibbert if Indy decide to tank.

Believe it or not, Kevin Love's defense has been better than what it was advertised to be.


ehhh he's coming around. He's doing much better than he was at the beginning of the season. He's doing a better job of contesting shots.


TT has been playing very very well on the defensive end.

Biggest disappointment i have on the defensive end is Lebron. He's just play lazy as f*ck on that side of the ball.

[Smoke117]

ehhh he's coming around. He's doing much better than he was at the beginning of the season. He's doing a better job of contesting shots.


TT has been playing very very well on the defensive end.

Biggest disappointment i have on the defensive end is Lebron. He's just play lazy as f*ck on that side of the ball.

Yet the two worst defenders who get significant minutes are the ones in your avatar...but throw Lebron under the bus for the defense...:rolleyes:

[LBJ 23]

Yet the two worst defenders who get significant minutes are the ones in your avatar...but throw Lebron under the bus for the defense...:rolleyes:


DukeDelonte is right. Lebron is playing lazy af on defense except some spurts here and there. Hopefully he's just intentionally conserving some energy and will turn it on as the season progresses and playoffs begin.

[Smoke117]

DukeDelonte is right. Lebron is playing lazy af on defense except some spurts here and there. Hopefully he's just intentionally conserving some energy and will turn it on as the season progresses and playoffs begin.

That's not the point. The point is that he isn't even close to being one of the biggest problems as to why this defense is so horrible. Even if he isn't making an impact, he is rarely a negative.

[DukeDelonte13]

Yet the two worst defenders who get significant minutes are the ones in your avatar...but throw Lebron under the bus for the defense...:rolleyes:


I call it like I see it. Lebron's supposed to lead by example and to his credit he's doing it by moving the ball on offense but he needs to start hustling on his close outs and his transition D. He's taking plays off defensively.

I'll be the first to tell you Kyrie and Dion aren't getting it done on that end. TBH i'm not even a huge Kyrie fan. He really p*sses me the f*ck off with his pouting and his stubbornness.

[DukeDelonte13]

That's not the point. The point is that he isn't even close to being one of the biggest problems as to why this defense is so horrible.


IMO his lackadaisical attitude on the defensive end sets the tone that the others follow. You wanna get the glory when you win games you take the heat when you lose them. Lebron gave up a ton of open shots last night.

[sd3035]

Bran just can't get it done
His career has been a bust so far

[penny4president]

besides waiters... their bench sux :lol

[r15mohd]

IMO his lackadaisical attitude on the defensive end sets the tone that the others follow. You wanna get the glory when you win games you take the heat when you lose them. Lebron gave up a ton of open shots last night.


Lawson killed the guards to the basket at will...the defense at the guard position is many times worse than pin-pointing at Lebron, and him leading. i'm pretty sure Lebron feels the guards are like dead weight being carried around when on defense

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron should be leading the charge on defense as their best player, best defender and utility guy. They have 2x legit 20+ caliber scorers, he can conserve his energy there. He needs to show more effort on defense the way he did in 2011, 2012, and in spurts 2013. James took last season off defensively, and it's leaking over to his new team.

[Genaro]

There is of course personnel issues to make this Cavs a good defensive team but I feel like it's more a mentally issue. Those guys are so good offensively that they think they can just outscore the opponent or just turn the switch on defensively on the last possessions.
This may work against eastern teams but it won't work with western team who are very talented offensively and can score 120 any given night.

[La Frescobaldi]

Oh yes. Dragic plays some great D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30
Just freaking exactly who the freak is freaking gonna stop that freaking transition freaking tomahawk from a sprinting wide open D FREAKING Rose tho?

[La Frescobaldi]

They are good on offense but suspect defense. They need Hibbert if Indy decide to tank.

Believe it or not, Kevin Love's defense has been better than what it was advertised to be.
I told it to Ish a hundred times at least.
Keep tellin em, Pauk, maybe they'll figure it out in the long run

[Cone]

that's what happens when your PF is a role player with a big role

[beastee]

Just freaking exactly who the freak is freaking gonna stop that freaking transition freaking tomahawk from a sprinting wide open D FREAKING Rose tho?
It is an inside joke for Dragic4Life. It is his very favorite video. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[BigMacAttack]

That's not the point. The point is that he isn't even close to being one of the biggest problems as to why this defense is so horrible. Even if he isn't making an impact, he is rarely a negative.

The guy is personally claiming top four status and stans are trying to convince us he is better than Jordan, I can see why Cavs fans would be dissapointed with him not playing hard both ways.

[Magic 32]

I thought Lebron was the lone reason the Cavs were elite on the defensive end from 2007 to 2010?

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Draz]

Oh yes. Dragic plays some great D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[dunksby]

I thought Lebron was the lone reason the Cavs were elite on the defensive end from 2007 to 2010?

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Whatever deficiency those Cavs had, defense wasn't one.

[Magic 32]

Whatever deficiency those Cavs had, defense wasn't one.

Bingo.

The difference between the 2007-10 Cavs and the Lakers 2005-2007.

Try convince Lebron stans though.