Who can beat the 00-01 Lakers in a 7 game series

[clutchinho]

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The 00-01 Lakers are one of the great teams in history, going 15-1 in the playoffs. The team was top-heavy on talent, but when you have 2 top 10 all time talents in their primes on the same team, playing in a system that accommodated both their strengths that is enough to overcome any lack of depth. The team won 56 games and their division despite not giving a shit about the regular season, a season long power struggle between 2 best players, Shaq and Kobe both missing 10+ games, Fisher missing almost the entire season due to a foot injury and starting a 35 year old Horace Grant and Brian Shaw for much of the season.

Once they got going, it was all over, the team swept the entire western conference(just as strong as the west of today), including the stacked Blazers, the Webber Kings and the Duncan Spurs behind an absurd 30-15 from Shaq, 30-7-6 from Kobe, lights out shooting from Derek Fisher and a steady veteran crew that provided steady heads and leadership.

With that combination of elite inside-outside game and coaching, cant see any team in the modern post-expansion era that can beat these guys in a 7 game series.

[SpanishACB]

you hack shaq

[SouBeachTalents]

Since 2000, the best challengers would be

2000 Trail Blazers
2002 Kings
2004 Pistons
2008 Celtics
2014 Spurs

[clutchinho]

you hack shaq

Not a viable strategy in any playoff series unless if the guy is a historically bad free throw shooter which Shaq isnt.

Scoring goes down in the playoffs so all hack a Shaq will achieve is guarantee at least 1 point per possession (which is worth more than on a regular season possession) and get your bigs in foul trouble.

[ImKobe]

Didn't that team go nearly undefeated in the playoffs? If it wasn't for them letting their guard down in the first game of the finals and losing in overtime, they surely would have swept the playoffs. Arguably the GOAT team with two top 8 players in their primes and GOAT caoch.. I don't see anyone beating them if the role players show up.

2014 Spurs are a great team, but even they're no match IMO. Lets not forget they struggled with the Mavs in the 1st round.

2008 Celtics would do better, but Perkins and Garnett would get bullied badly in the paint.

2004 Pistons have good enough interior and perimeter guys to slow down the Lakers in 04.. but I don't see them having that same level of success vs a healthy 2001 Lakers squad.

IMO.. they are the greatest team in NBA history for a single season.

2001 Lakers are miles ahead of the 04 Lakers, that team had shit chemistry, an out of shape Shaq and a Kobe that was not 100% due to multiple injuries/surgeries & court stuff...

No team in NBA history could beat the 01 Lakers.

[clutchinho]

No team in NBA history could beat the 01 Lakers.

Wouldnt quite go that far, they were extremely dependent on Shaq/Kobe, the 3rd best player on the team wouldn't even be close to a top 50 player in the NBA that season. Any sort of injury or trigger to the already volatile relationship between Shaq/Kobe would completely derail this team.


Agree that the 00-01 Lakers at the peak of their powers (like they played in the playoff run) would be almost impossible to beat.

[ImKobe]

Wouldnt quite go that far, they were extremely dependent on Shaq/Kobe, the 3rd best player on the team wouldn't even be close to a top 50 player in the NBA that season. Any sort of injury or trigger to the already volatile relationship between Shaq/Kobe would completely derail this team.


Agree that the 00-01 Lakers at the peak of their powers (like they played in the playoff run) would be almost impossible to beat.

Come to think of it, 80s Lakers/Celtics would give them a tough series. Magic/Kareem/Cooper/Worthy/Scott would be tough to contain.

[Jlamb47]

I would have to agree, GOAT team.
Shaq is too big inside and Kobe was str8 beast putting up crazy numbers and clutch

[SouBeachTalents]

2001 Lakers are miles ahead of the 04 Lakers, that team had shit chemistry, an out of shape Shaq and a Kobe that was not 100% due to multiple injuries/surgeries & court stuff...

No team in NBA history could beat the 01 Lakers.

Teams like the '96 Bulls, '86 Celtics, and '87 Magic could definitely beat the '01 Lakers

[HOoopCityJones]

Teams like the '96 Bulls, '86 Celtics, and '87 Magic could definitely beat the '01 Lakers

Who guards Shaq?

Who guards Kobe?

[T_L_P]

It depends. Are we transporting all of the players' production in these hypothetical matchups? If so, no.

But if Fisher isn't so hot in the series -- as he was the 01 Playoffs -- then yes, there are teams that could beat them. 02 Kings would have a good shot. 96 Bulls too.

[ArbitraryWater]

Who guards Shaq?

Who guards Kobe?

Who guards Bird? Who guards McHale? Who guards Magic?

:facepalm

And btw, obviously MJ guards Kobe, and there are several great perimeter defenders on those 80's Celtics and Lakers teams... Who, I'm sure you've never heard about.

[AboutBuckets]

'86 Celtics would have been able to keep up offensively, but there's no way Parish or Walton (at that stage of his career) would have been able to check Shaq defensively. Boston would have had to double team, and Shaq's passing from the post is a highly underrated aspect of his game, the Lakers would have exploited the double.

The '96 bulls would have been able to contain Kobe pretty easily and Longley (7'2, 270) would have been able to bang with Shaq a bit, but Shaq still would by the end of the game wear out the Bulls frontcourt either energy-wise or via foul trouble. Would have been sweet to see near-prime Rodman on prime Shaq though

[T_L_P]

89 Pistons too.

Laimbeer and Rodman could play Shaq like the Wallace's played Duncan in 05 (the C guarding him and the PF doubling with frequent movement to stop the pass to the open man). Dumars defended Jordan very well. I suspect he'd give Kobe trouble. Isiah would need to score big time though and so would the Microwave. Laimbeer had range; run PnR and exploit the shit out of Shaq.

[deja vu]

Who guards Shaq?

Who guards Kobe?
You can't guard Shaq but everyone else can be defended pretty well.

[JohnnySic]

'86 Celtics would have been able to keep up offensively, but there's no way Parish or Walton (at that stage of his career) would have been able to check Shaq defensively. Boston would have had to double team, and Shaq's passing from the post is a highly underrated aspect of his game, the Lakers would have exploited the double.


'86 Celtics also had Greg Kite, the stiff to end all stiffs. But he was strong, so 6 fouls right there if nothing else.

And who on the Lakers would guard Bird and McHale? Horace Grant? Robert Horry? LOL.

[aj1987]

Honestly? Any team with 2 GREAT team players with good-decent role players. Shaq would get his, but if Kobe gets shut down, who else is going to score for them? '12 Heat and Jordan Bulls come to mind.

Before you idiots jump: As I said, Shaq would get his, but would stop LeBron AND Wade? Wade was still really good in '12. The Heat have enough perimeter and interior defense to stop anyone not named Shaq on that team. Shaq would probably average 45 PPG, but that still won't be enough. Kobe shot 41% in the Finals in '01. What do you think he's going to do against '12 LeBron, Wade, Battier, etc..

[IncarceratedBob]

they're overrated. at the end of the day it's still just a 2 man team.

big 3 miami
11 mavs
leonards spurs

could beat them n thats just in the past few years

[tpols]

Honestly? Any team with 2 GREAT team players with good-decent role players. Shaq would get his, but if Kobe gets shut down, who else is going to score for them? '12 Heat and Jordan Bulls come to mind.

Before you idiots jump: As I said, Shaq would get his, but would stop LeBron AND Wade? Wade was still really good in '12. The Heat have enough perimeter and interior defense to stop anyone not named Shaq on that team. Shaq would probably average 45 PPG, but that still won't be enough. Kobe shot 41% in the Finals in '01. What do you think he's going to do against '12 LeBron, Wade, Battier, etc..

shaq would be the ultimate defender against the heat.. hes one of the biggest paint cloggers and rim protectors ever. Bron and wades slashing lanes would be greatly reduced on that alone.

Plus roy hibbert and that indy frontline doubled their numbers on miami.. I remember one series hibbert was 20/10 and West was 18/10. Shaq would go for 40/20.:lol He would just be completely unstoppable.

01 Kobe was also > 12 Wade.

[ImKobe]

shaq would be the ultimate defender against the heat.. hes one of the biggest paint cloggers and rim protectors ever. Bron and wades slashing lanes would be greatly reduced on that alone.

Plus roy hibbert and that indy frontline doubled their numbers on miami.. I remember one series hibbert was 20/10 and West was 18/10. Shaq would go for 40/20.:lol He would just be completely unstoppable.

01 Kobe was also > 12 Wade.

Just imagine how many wide open 3s Horry, Fisher & Fox would get thanks to everyone focusing their defenses on stopping Shaq & Kobe.

[aj1987]

shaq would be the ultimate defender against the heat.. hes one of the biggest paint cloggers and rim protectors ever. Bron and wades slashing lanes would be greatly reduced on that alone.

Plus roy hibbert and that indy frontline doubled their numbers on miami.. I remember one series hibbert was 20/10 and West was 18/10. Shaq would go for 40/20.:lol He would just be completely unstoppable.
Imagine how many offensive fouls Shaq is gonna get called for. They both are relentless drivers. Are you implying that Shaq is going to shut down both Wade AND LeBron? What about Bosh? Who's going to stop him, when Shaq is "stopping" LeBron and Wade.



01 Kobe was also > 12 Wade.
:oldlol:

Even if Kobe can limit Wade, who's stopping LeBron? On the other hand, Miami has 3 ELITE defensive players in Wade, LeBron, and Battier, who can SHUTDOWN Kobe.

[Heavincent]

:oldlol:

Even if Kobe can limit Wade, who's stopping LeBron? On the other hand, Miami has 3 ELITE defensive players in Wade, LeBron, and Battier, who can SHUTDOWN Kobe.

I think you've forgotten how good 01 Kobe was, or just never witnessed it in the first place. That's the year he dropped 45+/10+ games back to back on the road. Nobody is shutting him down.

[ImKobe]

Imagine how many offensive fouls Shaq is gonna get called for. They both are relentless drivers. Are you implying that Shaq is going to shut down both Wade AND LeBron? What about Bosh? Who's going to stop him, when Shaq is "stopping" LeBron and Wade.



:oldlol:

Even if Kobe can limit Wade, who's stopping LeBron? On the other hand, Miami has 3 ELITE defensive players in Wade, LeBron, and Battier, who can SHUTDOWN Kobe.

It's not like there weren't elite defenders in the early 2000s :confusedshrug:, matter of fact, handchecking was still legal.

And even if they do bother Kobe, he could just defer to Shaq every time down the court. Can you imagine Bosh trying to contain a prime Shaq? :oldlol:

Plus, Kobe just went HOT in the Playoffs, if you're getting the first 3 round version of Kobe, it's like trying to stop the GOAT himself.

[necya]

a troll is trying to make a team legendary because his favorite player is in :sleeping

[tpols]

Imagine how many offensive fouls Shaq is gonna get called for. They both are relentless drivers. Are you implying that Shaq is going to shut down both Wade AND LeBron? What about Bosh? Who's going to stop him, when Shaq is "stopping" LeBron and Wade.
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Shaq is a bigger hibbert.. who got more favorable treatment from refs than hibbert does today. Lebron and Wade's games are built on their driving lanes.. they are slashers. Shaq is a giant more mobile/athletic/cooridnated hibbert. Of course thats going to negatively effect wade and bron.


Kobe was averaging 33/7/7 on 51 FG against a number one ranked defense in 2001.. with a d-rating of 98. For comparison, the Heat's d-rating was 100.2. Kobe already had the ability to light elite defenses up. His peak in 01 was >> anything Wade did in 2012 and he would win that matchup quite easily.

Lebron would get a lot of long and mid range looks.. his reluctance to attack hibbert would be apparent 10x more with prime shaq in the lane.

[aj1987]

I think you've forgotten how good 01 Kobe was, or just never witnessed it in the first place. That's the year he dropped 45+/10+ games back to back on the road. Nobody is shutting him down.
As I said, didn't he score 25 on 41% in the Finals? Were there players on LeBron/Wade/Battier's level on the perimeter trying to defend him? All 3 on the SAME team, BTW. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm



It's not like there weren't elite defenders in the early 2000s

And even if they do bother Kobe, he could just defer to Shaq every time down the court. Can you imagine Bosh trying to contain a prime Shaq?

Plus, Kobe just went HOT in the Playoffs, if you're getting the first 3 round version of Kobe, it's like trying to stop the GOAT himself.

Can you guys even read? Shaq is GOING to get his. I never denied that. Kobe in the first 3 rounds never faced a LeBron/Wade/Battier trio in '01.

[riseagainst]

As I said, didn't he score 25 on 41% in the Finals? Were there players on LeBron/Wade/Battier's level on the perimeter trying to defend him? All 3 on the SAME team, BTW. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm



Can you guys even read? Shaq is GOING to get his. I never denied that. Kobe in the first 3 rounds never faced a LeBron/Wade/Battier trio in '01.

Kobe will have no problem still getting his in a 1v1 situation. If those 3 double or triple him, then it'll just open up his teammates. Although it's still a dilemma since Kobe doesn't pass.
:oldlol:

[ImKobe]

As I said, didn't he score 25 on 41% in the Finals? Were there players on LeBron/Wade/Battier's level on the perimeter trying to defend him? All 3 on the SAME team, BTW. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm



Can you guys even read? Shaq is GOING to get his. I never denied that. Kobe in the first 3 rounds never faced a LeBron/Wade/Battier trio in '01.

Kobe in the first 3 rounds was hot no matter who he faced :confusedshrug:, he just went nuts, no matter who was on him. He was dunking on the twin towers every game, nothing was going to stop him.

You can't have all 3 focus on guarding Kobe, plus Kobe cooked prime Battier in the mid-2000s. Only player that would phase Kobe is Wade.

[ImKobe]

Kobe will have no problem still getting his in a 1v1 situation. If those 3 double or triple him, then it'll just open up his teammates. Although it's still a dilemma since Kobe doesn't pass.
:oldlol:

01 Kobe averaged over 6 assists a game in the Playoffs.

[aj1987]

Shaq is a bigger hibbert.. who got more favorable treatment from refs than hibbert does today. Lebron and Wade's games are built on their driving lanes.. they are slashers. Shaq is a giant more mobile/athletic/cooridnated hibbert. Of course thats going to negatively effect wade and bron.
70% of Wade's shots were <3ft.
50% were <10ft.

67% for LeBron <3ft.
48% <10ft.

Yeah, but lets continue that narrative that they only scored on dunks and layups.



Kobe was averaging 33/7/7 on 51 FG against a number one ranked defense in 2001.. with a d-rating of 98. For comparison, the Heat's d-rating was 100.2. Kobe already had the ability to light elite defenses up. His peak in 01 was >> anything Wade did in 2012 and he would win that matchup quite easily.
Doesn't matter, you idiot. Wade is not the only player on the perimeter defending Kobe. Also, why are you bringing up offensive numbers? Wade was an ELITE defender in '12 and he had runner up DPOY LeBron and Battier to back him up. Kobe was the better player, but it doesn't matter in this situation.


Lebron would get a lot of long and mid range looks.. his reluctance to attack hibbert would be apparent 10x more with prime shaq in the lane.
You do realize that LeBron scored 30/11/7/3/1 on 50% against the Pacers, right? :facepalm :facepalm


Kobe in the first 3 rounds was hot no matter who he faced :confusedshrug:, he just went nuts, no matter who was on him. He was dunking on the twin towers every game, nothing was going to stop him.

You can't have all 3 focus on guarding Kobe, plus Kobe cooked prime Battier in the mid-2000s. Only player that would phase Kobe is Wade.
Come on, dude. You did watch the Heat, right? Their defense worked because of their movement. The trapping defense. The team was quick as ****. They way they moved and rotated on defense was just amazing.

[bdreason]

'86 Celtics
'87 Lakers
'96 Bulls
'89 Pistons
'71 Bucks
'83 76ers

[huskerdu]

2014 Spurs. Had one of the best (if not THE best) point differential in NBA Playoff history. 2001 Lakers would be getting dizzy trying to guard all those guys.

You could tell me 2001 Lakers would win the series, but Spurs depth would push it to 7 games.

[tpols]

70% of Wade's shots were <3ft.
50% were <10ft.

67% for LeBron <3ft.
48% <10ft.

Yeah, but lets continue that narrative that they only scored on dunks and layups.


You mixed your signs up.

70% of Wades shots were > 3ft..
50% of his shots were > 10 feet


But yea.. 33% and 31% looks at the rim as part of your arsenal is a lot.

For reference, these are some other perimeter superstars numbers in 2012 playoffs.

Westbrook 29%
Chris Paul 15%.
Durant 23%.
Kobe 20%.
Rose 32%

As you can see Lebron James and Wayne Wade are two of the best slashers in the game.. compared to their peers. And Shaqs defense would be perfect for defending their style of basketball.:confusedshrug:



Doesn't matter, you idiot. Wade is not the only player on the perimeter defending Kobe. Also, why are you bringing up offensive numbers? Wade was an ELITE defender in '12 and he had runner up DPOY LeBron and Battier to back him up. Kobe was the better player, but it doesn't matter in this situation.


If you double Kobe either

A) Shaq has single coverage.. easy points.

or

B) there are two shooters open

Kobe averaged 6 apg working the triangle and shaq is one of the best/most skilled low post passers ever.

Youre so used to seeing players like paul george and roy hibbert struggle with miami's perimeter defense.. but Kobe and Shaq are both so much better, quicker, and more skilled with their passing and scoring execution.

Its hilarious that you think all three of those guys will be able to trap kobe without LA's shooters going off(Fisher had his best year of his career in 01 playoffs) or shaq getting monster dunks. :lol

[ImKobe]

Come on, dude. You did watch the Heat, right? Their defense worked because of their movement. The trapping defense. The team was quick as ****. They way they moved and rotated on defense was just amazing.

I did, but their defenses didn't stop other players from going off on them :confusedshrug:

KD averaged 30 on above 50% shooting against em, Paul George gave them work in 2013..

Then you add in the fact that an old ass Tim Duncan looked like his prime self against them in the Finals, Roy Hibbert looked like prime Shaq. Imagine what prime Shaq would do to them, when an old ass Duncan dropped 25 pts in one half on em.

I'm not saying they couldn't slow down Kobe in any way, but there's no way in hell they'd stop Shaq and others. They can only key in on Kobe, but history has shown that the Lakers were able to win series/games with Kobe not being on his A-game. If Kobe had a tough time against the defenses in the Finals or they were giving him constant doubles, Shaq was there to get you 40 points on any given night.

And with all the attention you're giving Kobe with your defense, shooters will be wide open. Horry, Shaw and Fisher would make them pay, big time.

Best example I could give is the Portland series in 2000 or 2001 with Pippen defending Kobe...yes he was out of his prime, but the GOAT wing defender is still a very good defender at that age (certainly better than Battier), and Kobe completely cooked him that year (after Pippen played solid defense the year prior, limiting Kobe to only 43,9% shooting and him only putting up 20 points a game), putting up 25/4/8 on 48% shooting.

You can't put too many guys on Kobe or work to stop him exclusively. You have to encourage him to chuck up shots, because you don't want your defense to give up wide open 3s and you don't want Shaq taking more shots if you're the Miami Heat. It's not that simple. Miami was able to shut down both Parker & Manu for the NBA Finals, and other players rained 3s on them + Duncan went ham on em' and they should have lost, had the Spurs not choked in epic fashion.

[stalkerforlife]

Maybe the best Bulls team.

Maybe 86 Celtics.

After that, no one.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Modern Era?

'86 Celtics
'87 Lakers
'89 Pistons
'92 Bulls
'93 Bulls
'96 Bulls
'97 Bulls
2008 Celtics

[stalkerforlife]

Modern Era?

'86 Celtics
'87 Lakers
'89 Pistons
'92 Bulls
'93 Bulls
'96 Bulls
'97 Bulls
2008 Celtics

:biggums:

[aj1987]

But yea.. 33% and 31% looks at the rim as part of your arsenal is a lot.

For reference, these are some other perimeter superstars numbers in 2012 playoffs.

Westbrook 29%
Chris Paul 15%.
Durant 23%.
Kobe 20%.
Rose 32%

As you can see Lebron James and Wayne Wade are two of the best slashers in the game.. compared to their peers. And Shaqs defense would be perfect for defending their style of basketball.:confusedshrug:
Those guys are not even close to being as good as Wade and LeBron, when it comes to scoring at the rim. Lets also not pretend that good interior defense slowed down Wade/LeBron. Honestly, I still can't believe that your argument is that Shaq is going to shutdown Wade AND LeBron. :oldlol:

Yeah, just no. Westbrook has piss poor shot selection. KD is an AMAZING shooter, and CP3 is a midget PG. Rose is the only one who comes close when it comes and he shot the same number of times at the rim. Oh, and Rose was note even close to being the shooter that LeBron was.

Also, who's going to cover Bosh, if he's on the perimeter? Shaq, I'm assuming. Which Leaves the lane WIDE open.


If you double Kobe either

A) Shaq has single coverage.. easy points.

or

B) there are two shooters open

Kobe averaged 6 apg working the triangle and shaq is one of the best/most skilled low post passers ever.

Youre so used to seeing players like paul george and roy hibbert struggle with miami's perimeter defense.. but Kobe and Shaq are both so much better, quicker, and more skilled with their passing and scoring execution.

Its hilarious that you think all three of those guys will be able to trap kobe without LA's shooters going off(Fisher had his best year of his career in 01 playoffs) or shaq getting monster dunks. :lol

You still don't get it, do you? From my previous posts:

Come on, dude. You did watch the Heat, right? Their defense worked because of their movement. The trapping defense. The team was quick as ****. They way they moved and rotated on defense was just amazing.

Same goes for the Heat, BTW. Once LeBron/Wade/Bosh are doubled, Chalmers, Miller, Battier, etc. are left alone for 3's.

You keep bringing up the 6 (:oldlol: ) assists, but Miami has better passers in Wade and LeBron.


I did, but their defenses didn't stop other players from going off on them :confusedshrug:

KD averaged 30 on above 50% shooting against em, Paul George gave them work in 2013..

THAT WAS THE POINT. Let KD and those guys get theirs. Why do you think KD disappeared in the clutch when Miami's defense was focused on shutting him down? PG? :oldlol:

There's a reason why they didn't win against the Heat as well.

Pippen was garbage in '01.

[SamuraiSWISH]

:biggums:
I know you didn't see the vast majority of those teams being a young gun, but trust me, those teams could all beat the 2001 Lakers in a best of seven series. This myth that the 2001 Laker are unbeatable is absurd. If the 2001 Sixers managed to steal a game by being a gritty defensive unit, with a 5'11 lone gunman in AI on offense ... I'm sure those other teams could give LA troubles. I'm tempted even though they had a disappointing regular seson to throw in the 1995 Rockets as well.

[chazzy]

They're essentially Hibbert and George on steroids

[Genaro]

LOL at the Heat winning.
Lakers biggest strength(inside game) is actually Heat biggest weakness. And if double or triple Shaq, Lakers have the weapons to make you pay (and that particular playoffs they were hot from 3)
Their trapping defense works well because teams nowadays makes a lot of pick and rolls, triangle offense doesn't utilizes as much pick and rolls.

On the other end, you got Shaq clogging the lane and stopping the slashing game, Fox and Kobe checking Lebron and Wade and a very good rebounding team who would made the Heat trips be one and done.

Lakers in 5.

[tpols]

Those guys are not even close to being as good as Wade and LeBron, when it comes to scoring at the rim. Lets also not pretend that good interior defense slowed down Wade/LeBron. Honestly, I still can't believe that your argument is that Shaq is going to shutdown Wade AND LeBron. :oldlol:


I was listing them to show you that wade and lebron rely on driving lanes and rim looks more than anyone else.

Because, in the post I quoted, you were saying 'Wade and bron take 70% of their shots away from the rim' trying to downplay the fact that their percentages are very high.. But when compared to other superstars, they actually are.


And yes Shaq would make it very hard for wade and lebron to finish at the rim. Lebron has shown reluctance and softness for attacking hibbert.. Shaq would make him shit his pants. He would not attack him.:oldlol:

A simple 2-3 zone where shaq just mans the middle 2011 mavs style would make sure all the shooters are covered.. bron would get a lot of 3 pt looks but his paint game would be severely curtailed.

[ImKobe]

THAT WAS THE POINT. Let KD and those guys get theirs. Why do you think KD disappeared in the clutch when Miami's defense was focused on shutting him down? PG? :oldlol:

There's a reason why they didn't win against the Heat as well.

Pippen was garbage in '01.

Well, my point is that those teams were not all-time great teams. The Heat didn't go up against Phil Jackson, or Shaq, or Kobe, or Fisher, or Fox, or Horry, or Shaw.

The Pacers team were a tough out in 2013 with the series going 7 games (Pacers probably win if Lebron doesn't get a game-winning layup earlier in the series). George and Hibbert were a homeless man's version of Shaq & Kobe.

All I'm saying is that you can't focus your defense on shutting down Kobe, as others will make you pay. You want him to take those long 20-footers, that are much less efficient (in theory) than a wide open 3 or a Shaq FGA at the rim.

[aj1987]

I was listing them to show you that wade and lebron rely on driving lanes and rim looks more than anyone else.

Because, in the post I quoted, you were saying 'Wade and bron take 70% of their shots away from the rim' trying to downplay the fact that their percentages are very high compared to other superstars.


And yes Shaq would make it very hard for wade and lebron to finish at the rim. Lebron has shown reluctance and softness for attacking hibbert.. Shaq would make him shit his pants. He would not attack him.:oldlol:

A simple 2-3 zone where shaq just mans the middle 2011 mavs style would make sure all the shooters are covered.. bron would get a lot of 3 pt looks but his paint game would be severely curtailed.
Way to go, kid. Ignore the rest of my post.

Westbrook has piss poor shot selection. KD is an AMAZING shooter, and CP3 is a midget PG.

Those are not the kind of players who attack the rim frequently.

Again, you said, LeBron has shown "reluctance and softness for attacking hibbert". Yet, me managed to destroy the Pacers 3 years in a row. Including one where he got points off of solely attacking the rim.

It's not about "reluctance or softness". If that was the case, Kobe would be considered to be the softest player EVER, since all he does is chuck up midrange shots while throwing series' away. Is it always scared to attack the rim? Kobe knew his strengths and utilized them and adapted.

It's about realizing that there's a good defensive presence and taking high percentage shots. Picking your shots and not wasting possessions.

LOL @ Shaq shutting down Wade AND LeBron. As much as I love Shaq (top 5 GOAT), he's not doing that.


Well, my point is that those teams were not all-time great teams. The Heat didn't go up against Phil Jackson, or Shaq, or Kobe, or Fisher, or Fox, or Horry, or Shaw.
They just went against the MVP Rose Bulls with Thibs, KD/WB/JH/Ibaka Thunder, and the Pop/Duncan Spurs. Beat them all, BTW.


The Pacers team were a tough out in 2013 with the series going 7 games (Pacers probably win if Lebron doesn't get a game-winning layup earlier in the series). George and Hibbert were a homeless man's version of Shaq & Kobe.
Wade was injured and I still can't understand what happened to Bosh after '12. We're talking about the '12 Heat anyways though.


All I'm saying is that you can't focus your defense on shutting down Kobe, as others will make you pay. You want him to take those long 20-footers, that are much less efficient (in theory) than a wide open 3 or a Shaq FGA at the rim.
I'm saying let Shaq get his and shutdown everyone else (or at least try to).

[tpols]

Way to go, kid. Ignore the rest of my post.

Westbrook has piss poor shot selection. KD is an AMAZING shooter, and CP3 is a midget PG.

Those are not the kind of players who attack the rim frequently.
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Yes Wade and LeBron are more of slashers than all of those guys. What exactly are you arguing? That's what I've been saying all along. They are more so at the rim players than their peers. A higher percentage of their looks come at the rim where they would see a better rim protector than they've ever faced before.


I'd be more scared of the 2012 thunder than the heat tbh because Shaq's presence would do very little to stop Durant going off. Who would shoot over and score at will on Rick fox. OKC also has Perkins and Ibaka two much bigger bodies than the heat have.. To throw at Shaq.

[Mr. Jabbar]

All things in consideration, there is no team in history stopping them. Frobe alone is a nightmare on both ends, throw in prime shaq and its game over, i dont care if they play 2 on 5

[aj1987]

Yes Wade and LeBron are more of slashers than all of those guys. What exactly are you arguing? That's what I've been saying all along. They are more so at the rim players than their peers. A higher percentage of their looks come at the rim where they would see a better rim protector than they've ever faced before.


I'd be more scared of the 2012 thunder than the heat tbh because Shaq's presence would do very little to stop Durant going off. Who would shoot over and score at will on Rick fox. OKC also has Perkins and Ibaka two much bigger bodies than the heat have.. To throw at Shaq.
:facepalm

You still don't get it, do you? 70% of their looks are away from the rim. 70%. We're talking about a player who's probably gonna end up in the top 5 and another one in the top 20. One player who was better than Kobe ever was and another one not too far behind. You think they wouldn't adapt? How many good defenses have stopped a healthy Wade?

To put those numbers in perspective, 74% of Kobe's shots came away from the rim. Only a 4% difference. ~30 shots more than LeBron and Wade away from the rim.

[tpols]

:facepalm

You still don't get it, do you? 70% of their looks are away from the rim. 70%. We're talking about a player who's probably gonna end up in the top 5 and another one in the top 20. You think they wouldn't adapt? How many good defenses have stopped a healthy Wade?

To put those numbers in perspective, 74% of Kobe's shots came away from the rim. Only a 4% difference. ~30 shots more than LeBron and Wade away from the rim.

I already layed that argument out for you dude.:oldlol:

I literally listed all of their percentages.

Wade and lebron had an average of 32% rim looks (and 68% non rim looks)
Westbrook and durant had an average of 26% rim looks (and 74% non rim looks)
Kobe had 21% rim looks in the playoffs that year.

Wade and Lebron had the highest portion of rim looks compared to their peers. How do you still not accept that their reliance on driving lanes and a non congested paint is greater than that of the guys their being compared to?


That 4% would matter too.. even though the gap is bigger than that in this comparison. Its like any other percentage difference.

[aj1987]

I already layed that argument out for you dude.:oldlol:

I literally listed all of their percentages.

Wade and lebron had an average of 32% rim looks (and 68% non rim looks)
Westbrook and durant had an average of 26% rim looks (and 74% non rim looks)
Kobe had 21% rim looks in the playoffs that year.

Wade and Lebron had the highest portion of rim looks compared to their peers. How do you still not accept that their reliance on driving lanes and a non congested paint is greater than that of the guys their being compared to?


That 4% would matter too.. even though the gap is bigger than that in this comparison. Its like any other percentage difference.
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Please go back and re-read my post. ENTIRE POST. If that's too hard, I can do a tl;dr.

[tpols]

I mean is it really that crazy.. saying wade and lebron are slashers? Its very common, basic knowledge that they do most of their damage at the rim and around the paint. We watched the playoffs.. the biggest story was how they were using bosh as a shooter to draw hibbert out of the paint. The spurs and mavs had great success against lebron because they had tyson and duncan to command the paint and clog it up.

Saying Prime shaq covers the lane more than any of those guys.. and that it would be hard for lebron and wade to go to their bread and butter isnt really that much of a stretch.


68% of wade and brons looks come outside the rim area.. 68%. Seems like a lot right? The majority even.. but it's not. That is a small proportion compared to other tandems/superstar in the league. Thats the point.

[Droid101]

LOL at any version of the Heat touching the 2001 Lakers. They'd take a game, maybe.

[MastaKilla]

LOL at any team after the 01 Lakers (02 & on) giving the 01 Laker team any type of problems

Bunch of high school Lebron fans

[Anaximandro1]

- 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers and 90s Bulls would beat the 2001 Lakers with relative ease

- 1983 Sixers, Pistons of the late 1980s, 1999 Spurs would have the upper-hand.

- 2005 Spurs could be a formidable opponent.


- The 2001 Lakers are the most overrated team of the last 30 years. They took advantage of weak competition in the West.

Duncan's supporting cast consisted of players on the verge of retirement. The Spurs started the rebuilding process in the summer.

Playoffs: 2001 Spurs

2001 Spurs Offense

Duncan on: ORtg 105.4

Duncan off: ORtg 86.3

On - Off -> +19.1

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2001 Spurs Defense

Duncan on: DRtg 99.5

Duncan off: DRtg 119.2

On - Off -> -19.7

-------------------------
2001 Spurs Difference

Duncan On - Off -> + 38.8

[stalkerforlife]

Best one i've seen so far is 08 Celtics. :roll:

[fragokota]

Probably none after them maybe except the Spurs. Prior, i think there are a couple, definitely the '86 Celtics, the '87 Lakers and ofc the '96 Bulls. Anyways one of the greatest teams of All times, you can't really make these kind of comparisons.

[MP.Trey]

67 76ers would obliterate them.

[Smoke117]

How long are we going to overrated the 2001 lakers? The league was weak as shit in 2001. They didn't even beat ONE VERY GOOD TEAM that entire run. They weren't so good they made the competition look bad...it already was bad and they had a great time feeding on and picking apart these teams. The fact that people use this run to justify that they would beat all these other great teams is ridiculous and laughable. All these teams being brought up now are far superior to who the Lakers had to beat in 2001.

[houston]

2012 heat
2008 celtics
2011 mavs

[riseagainst]

67 76ers would obliterate them.

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[ImKobe]

Best one i've seen so far is 08 Celtics. :roll:

took them 6 games (series should have gone to 7) to beat an undermanned Lakers squad missing it's 3rd best player in Andrew Bynum.

Now replace Gasol with prime Shaq and 08 Kobe with 01 Kobe, it wouldn't be fair :lol

[ImKobe]

2012 heat
2008 celtics
2011 mavs

bwahahahaha

[ArbitraryWater]

How long are we going to overrated the 2001 lakers? The league was weak as shit in 2001. They didn't even beat ONE VERY GOOD TEAM that entire run. They weren't so good they made the competition look bad...it already was bad and they had a great time feeding on and picking apart these teams. The fact that people use this run to justify that they would beat all these other great teams is ridiculous and laughable. All these teams being brought up now are far superior to who the Lakers had to beat in 2001.

Like, the 2001 Spurs who were absolutely garbage outside of Duncan, were his stiffest competition.

Blazers right past their peak, Kings right before it.

[ImKobe]

Like, the 2001 Spurs who were absolutely garbage outside of Duncan, were his stiffest competition.

Blazers right past their peak, Kings right before it.

01 Spurs had a better defense than the 08 Celtics..and going by opposing FG% and 3PT%, right there with the 04 Pistons. And by efficiency, a better offensive team than the Pistons, and better from 3 than the 08 Celtics.

[Droid101]

Like, the 2001 Spurs who were absolutely garbage outside of Duncan, were his stiffest competition.

Blazers right past their peak, Kings right before it.
:roll:

Those three teams are probably better than any team the Heat beat the last four years.

It's almost as if you all were too young to have watched the games back then.

[BigMacAttack]

:facepalm

You still don't get it, do you? 70% of their looks are away from the rim. 70%. We're talking about a player who's probably gonna end up in the top 5 and another one in the top 20. One player who was better than Kobe ever was and another one not too far behind. You think they wouldn't adapt? How many good defenses have stopped a healthy Wade?

To put those numbers in perspective, 74% of Kobe's shots came away from the rim. Only a 4% difference. ~30 shots more than LeBron and Wade away from the rim.

Who the **** is supposed to stop Shaq? Seriously **** off moron, that heat team would barely phase the 01 Lakers.

[ImKobe]

:roll:

Those three teams are probably better than any team the Heat beat the last four years.

It's almost as if you all were too young to have watched the games back then.

And all they'd have to do is look up the stats. 01 Spurs by stats are nearly better at everything than the 08 Celtics as a team (on defense), and they stack up fairly well in comparison on offense, despite not having as many star players..

Just because they only know Duncan & D-Rob off that roster, they think that team was garbage and rebuilding :roll:

[MastaKilla]

Like, the 2001 Spurs who were absolutely garbage outside of Duncan, were his stiffest competition.

Blazers right past their peak, Kings right before it.

you weren't even watching basketball in 2001 kid..

Spurs had the best record in the NBA

skip to 1:04

"this is a team that is built around the best big man combination in the history of the NBA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSsHGoQm7M

"absolutely garbage outside of Duncan" :roll: :roll:

[PsychoBe]

people see "sweep" and don't even know how competitive those games were. :facepalm

[ImKobe]

you weren't even watching basketball in 2001 kid..

Spurs had the best record in the NBA

skip to 1:04

"this is a team that is built around the best big man combination in the history of the NBA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSsHGoQm7M

"absolutely garbage outside of Duncan" :roll: :roll:

4th in the league in FG%
8th in the league in 3s made
1st in the league in 3PT%
1st in the league in shot blocking
1st in the league in defensive rebounding, 8th overall
1st in the league in getting to the FT line

[Smoke117]

4th in the league in FG%
8th in the league in 3s made
1st in the league in 3PT%
1st in the league in shot blocking
1st in the league in defensive rebounding, 8th overall
1st in the league in getting to the FT line

Yeah...in relation to the rest of the league. We've already established 2001 was an historically weak year in the NBA. Their 2nd leading scorer was ****ing Derek Anderson for christ sake.

[ImKobe]

Yeah...in relation to the rest of the league. We've already established 2001 was an historically weak year in the NBA. Their 2nd leading scorer was ****ing Derek Anderson for christ sake.

I knew this shit was coming. Who are this "we" that have established this?

And Spurs are known for putting together great teams filled with players you never really heard about before or players that aren't individually as talented, but who as a team work really well together.

[Smoke117]

I knew this shit was coming. Who are this "we" that have established this?

the world? If you don't know that 2001 was one of the weakest seasons ever in the NBA than you weren't watching back then.

[ImKobe]

the world? If you don't know that 2001 was one of the weakest seasons ever in the NBA than you weren't watching back then.

Obviously the haters are going to dub the early 2000s as the weakest era to downplay the Lakers' achievements, just like the haters say the 90s were a weak era because MJ dominated so effortlessly.

So, are we supposed to discredit the 01 Lakers because they were unstoppable in the Playoffs? If the league was truly as bad as you say it was, why didn't they dominate the regular season as much? Maybe the league was just more well-rounded and better defensively?

[Smoke117]

Obviously the haters are going to dub the early 2000s as the weakest era to downplay the Lakers' achievements, just like the haters say the 90s were a weak era because MJ dominated so effortlessly.

So, are we supposed to discredit the 01 Lakers because they were unstoppable in the Playoffs? If the league was truly as bad as you say it was, why didn't they dominate the regular season as much? Maybe the league was just more well-rounded and better defensively?

Who is discrediting them? The point is all you clowns think they are so great and would beat all these other great teams effortlessly because they dominated 2001 when they didn't even have to face one team that would be considered VERY GOOD. They were never even tested. Bringing up what they did to these inferior teams doesn't have much bearing on what they would do vs much superior teams. Most of the teams being brought up on the other hand DID BEAT VERY GOOD AND/OR GREAT TEAMS ON THEIR RUNS.

Also...the Bulls did dominate a weak era in the 2nd threepeat. Expansion thinned the talent ranks. By the early 00s it was still thin AND all those stars from the 90s were going out. The new breed hadn't taken over fully yet, so it was a weak transitional period.

[tpols]

The early 2000s West with the trailblazers kings spurs mavs Lakers was stacked as fk. Definitely wasn't weak competition.. 01 spurs had 1st ranked defense and 6th ranked offense. Their offense was actually at its highest level of efficiency between 99 and 03.

[97 bulls]

Too small of a sample size. Let's be honest. The Lakers (mainly Derrick Fisher), were HOT that whole playoffs. But that wasn't what they were. They didnt even win 60 games in 01. They were a great team that caught fire at the right time. Just like the Spurs during the Heat series, the Mavs in 2011 vs the Lakers etc.

Why stop there? Why not compare teams that had a great game? The 98 Bulls that beat the Jazz in game three by 42 pts, vs the Celtics that beat the Hawks by 30.

Theres just too small a sample to make that distinction.

[MastaKilla]

Who is discrediting them? The point is all you clowns think they are so great and would beat all these other great teams effortlessly because they dominated 2001 when they didn't even have to face one team that would be considered VERY GOOD. They were never even tested. Bringing up what they did to these inferior teams doesn't have much bearing on what they would do vs much superior teams. Most of the teams being brought up on the other hand DID BEAT VERY GOOD AND/OR GREAT TEAMS ON THEIR RUNS.

Also...the Bulls did dominate a weak era in the 2nd threepeat. Expansion thinned the talent ranks. By the early 00s it was still thin AND all those stars from the 90s were going out. The new breed hadn't taken over fully yet, so it was a weak transitional period.

spoken like somebody who wasn't there

that Kings series was extremely close outside of game 3 every game was decided by 6 points or less..

Lakers had 2 of the GOATS playing at an all time level, of course now haters want to take away from that. Spurs, Blazers & Kings were very good teams

[Smoke117]

spoken like somebody who wasn't there

that Kings series was extremely close outside of game 3 every game was decided by 6 points or less..

Lakers had 2 of the GOATS playing at an all time level, of course now haters want to take away from that. Spurs, Blazers & Kings were very good teams

We will just have to agree to disagree. As i'm not a kobe stan, I don't feel the need to force my opinion down peoples throats. On not being there though...I had NBA Pass...I watched nearly every single Blazer game that year. They were not a very good team in 2001 like tpols was trying to say. Epic internal combustion.

[MastaKilla]

We will just have to agree to disagree. As i'm not a kobe stan, I don't feel the need to force my opinion down peoples throats.

yet just last page you were speaking for the entire world :roll: :roll:

[Smoke117]

yet just last page you were speaking for the entire world :roll: :roll:

I was being facetious when I said that...obviously.

[97 bulls]

spoken like somebody who wasn't there

that Kings series was close outside of game 3 every game was decided by 6 points or less..

Lakers had 2 of the GOATS playing at an all time level, of course now haters want to take away from that. Spurs, Blazers & Kings were very good teams
Thats every all time great team. The difference is the rest of the team. Most all-time great teams have three hofers and one bubble player. The Lakers had no one remotely close to being hall of fame caliber

[MastaKilla]

Thats every all time great team. The difference is the rest of the team. Most all-time great teams have three hofers and one bubble player. The Lakers had no one remotely close to being hall of fame caliber

but how many all time great teams had two top 10 goats playing up at their peak level for a playoff run?

if Kobe & Shaq play like they did during the 01 playoffs, which is something like 30/7/6 & 30/15 per game.

Some form of the 90's Bulls or the 86 Celtics are the only teams that would stand a chance

[Droid101]

They didnt even win 60 games in 01.
Dude get real. They didn't win 60 because of injuries. When everyone was playing and meshing, they wrecked the league. Starting on March 30th they won every game except two... a one point loss to the Knicks (April 1st) and an overtime loss to the Sixers (NBA Finals).

[MastaKilla]

Early 2000's were pretty weak....

You had the 2000 Blazers and 2002 Kings, the rest was VERY beatable...

You guys were watching (perhaps), but not paying attention..

Pop ran a vanilla offense in the early 2000's (like every coach in the league. Offensively depressed basketball due to Isolation basketball, wave of wannabe Jordan's and HS players. The game after the 1999 lockout was pretty ugly for a while).

Pop became an elite coach by '07 or so. Lots of ISOs with the Spurs bigs. None of the Spur wings could even create their own shot off the dribble. They were all one-dimensional three point shooters. The only one that could do that was injured (Derek Anderson).

Look at the damn Spurs roster from 2001-2003. Duncan carried that shit... In a relatively weak league, but also with a weak team.

you just skipped high school yesterday so you could watch the cavs game and now you're talking about other people "weren't paying attention" during the early 2000's?

:lol :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

I didn't watch either... but

Man, I did my research, dude....

I mean, can you even attack any points I adressed?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

lol @ Pop becoming an elite coach in 2007. You can tell who the posters are that started watching basketball post "the decision".

[ArbitraryWater]

lol @ Pop becoming an elite coach in 2007. You can tell who the posters are that started watching basketball post "the decision".

What did Pop to before that, that didn't exclusively ran through Duncan?

(I know Spurs fan who been following them since forever, and they think the exact same thing)

Duncan did a terrific job carrying those 2000-2003 Spurs teams, who were really rebuilding at the time... Made a bunch of role players better who were later exposed in the playoffs and suffered from the inevitable breakdown.

Pop wasn't wanted by anyone... In danger of losing his job with the Spurs organization at times.

2013:

David Aldridge: "The last two games the ball movement has just been outstanding. How has that kinda developed over the season?"

Tony Parker: "I think the last two/three years we've been playing like that. More uptempo, play a little bit faster, and moving the ball around, transition, higher pace. You know. Before, in my early years, we were more like Tim Duncan's team and putting the ball inside and everything went though him. As we evolved and he got a little bit older we changed our style."

[chazzy]

Pop ran a vanilla offense in the early 2000's (like every coach in the league. Offensively depressed basketball due to Isolation basketball, wave of wannabe Jordan's and HS players. The game after the 1999 lockout was pretty ugly for a while).

Pop became an elite coach by '07 or so. Lots of ISOs with the Spurs bigs. None of the Spur wings could even create their own shot off the dribble. They were all one-dimensional three point shooters. The only one that could do that was injured (Derek Anderson).

Pop ran a vanilla offense back then(like every coach in the league). Lots of ISOs with the Spurs bigs. None of the Spur wings could even create their own shot off the dribble . They were all one-dimensional three point shooters. The only one that could do that was injured(Derek Anderson).

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10162303&postcount=280

Exposed. You don't know shit on your own

[ArbitraryWater]

:rolleyes:

Do I need to give credit for every 2-3 sentences now?

[Droid101]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10162303&postcount=280

Exposed. You don't know shit on your own
#rekt

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What did Pop to before that, that didn't exclusively ran through Duncan?

(I know Spurs fan who been following them since forever, and they think the exact same thing)

I know Duncan fans that tout this nonsense, but Spurs fans? Absolutely not. Pop was a good coach the day he decided to takeover for Bob Hill.

Look at the roster he had and ask yourself, would there be anyone that could take that mess to the playoffs? The following season David Robinson played (injured the entire year before) and he drafted Duncan...the rest was history.

But seriously, I would like to know how Pop was anymore elite in 2007 than he was in 2005? Like what?


David Aldridge: "The last two games the ball movement has just been outstanding. How has that kinda developed over the season?"

Tony Parker: "I think the last two/three years we've been playing like that. More uptempo, play a little bit faster, and moving the ball around, transition, higher pace. You know. Before, in my early years, we were more like Tim Duncan's team and putting the ball inside and everything went though him. As we evolved and he got a little bit older we changed our style."

No different than the Lakers not playing thru Kareem in the late 80s, the Heat playing thru Shaq during their title run. Pat Riley was always elite because he COULD adjust ala Pop.

How old are you, Arb?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10162303&postcount=280

Exposed. You don't know shit on your own
:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

You see a crappy TEAM, and Duncan is its offensive, AND defensive anchor....

Duncan doesn't do ANYTHING on the block anymore these last few years.

But damn, in his prime thats where the entire Spurs offense came from.

No brilliant Pop schemes...

Set Timmy up, space the floor for shooters, let him go to work, pass it out, and by doing so create the penetration of the guards.... Which again leads to more kickouts.

Insane load of hockey assists, and plays where he may not even touch the basket yet was the responsible man on the court.

He's the one thats double teamed, he's the one dishing it out from the post...

I can see this on just about any Spurs reel from 2000-2003.

Others make a living off Duncan's screens and ability to take it to the basket.

And plenty of offensive rebounding...

[ArbitraryWater]

Sorry, um, was that post copied aswell?

Try searching for it.. :rolleyes:

[Smoke117]

You see a crappy TEAM, and Duncan is its offensive, AND defensive anchor....

Duncan doesn't do ANYTHING on the block anymore these last few years.

But damn, in his prime thats where the entire Spurs offense came from.

No brilliant Pop schemes...

Set Timmy up, space the floor for shooters, let him go to work, pass it out, and by doing so create the penetration of the guards.... Which again leads to more kickouts.

Insane load of hockey assists, and plays where he may not even touch the basket yet was the responsible man on the court.

He's the one thats double teamed, he's the one dishing it out from the post...

I can see this on just about any Spurs reel from 2000-2003.

Others make a living off Duncan's screens and ability to take it to the basket.

And plenty of offensive rebounding...

You should quit why you are ahe...not so far behind. Even I think you are talking utter nonsense.

[ArbitraryWater]

What exactly is it this time

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What exactly is it this time
You dont know what you're talking about. That's what (evidenced by your copy and pasting via a known Duncan homer and idiot troll to boot).

Come on Arb.. I always say know your history before debating. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh great, so aside from somone finding 3 copied sentences, I follow it up giving my own explanation with the same reasoning (excuse me for putting shit down from someone else, faster.. But in my favor, I did follow it up with a post by ME), there's nothing?

Okay, if guys like kenneth draw attention, do me the favor and "educate" me... Because quite frankly, I see nothing I'm wrong about here.

And I'll admit a mistake, I've done so in the past....

But keep harping on 3 copied sentences.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh great, so aside from somone finding 3 copied sentences, I follow it up giving my own explanation with the same reasoning (excuse me for putting shit down from someone else, faster.. But in my favor, I did follow it up with a post by ME), there's nothing?

Okay, if guys like kenneth draw attention, do me the favor and "educate" me... Because quite frankly, I see nothing I'm wrong about here.

And I'll admit a mistake, I've done so in the past....

But keep harping on 3 copied sentences.

In your OWN words, I would like to know what made Pop, a student of Larry Brown, elite in 2007 but not ANY year before that? Conversely, talk about a "green" Pat Riley and what made him elite when he went thru Kareem in the early 80s.

We'll start there..

[Smoke117]

In your OWN words, I would like to know what made Pop, a student of Larry Brown, elite in 2007 but not ANY year before that? Conversely, talk about a "green" Pat Riley and what made him elite when he went thru Kareem in the early 80s.

We'll start there..

He doesn't seem to understand that personnel changes how a team plays. That the Spurs played differently from 2001 than they did in 2007 isn't because Pop NOW became a great coach that season...the offense changed to suit the players and talent.

[PsychoBe]

pop was very defensive minded in the early 2000s then became more offensive orientated as time went on while still holding on to his defensive philosophies.

that's the simple part of it.

[ArbitraryWater]

In your OWN words, I would like to know what made Pop, a student of Larry Brown, elite in 2007 but not ANY year before that? Conversely, talk about a "green" Pat Riley and what made him elite when he went thru Kareem in the early 80s.

We'll start there..

Isn't that obvious?

Duncan in his Peak was a 2-headed Monster... Their entire game was based on his versatility, even non-assisted bucks mainly went through him.

The early 2000's Spurs were mainly DEFENSIVE Teams... Guess who anchored them.

The Addition of Bowen underlined that.

I noted 2007 because that's pretty much the end of Timmy's Peak/prime.

I could have said '06 as well, because you had prime Timmy, a great Team, and well oiled offense...

But Pop was pretty controversial early on.. Even in danger of losing his Job (Basket Mag).

Edit: Which is my MAIN Point... Dude wasn't always a respected genius since he took on the Job.

[HOoopCityJones]

AW getting exposed as a fraud once again....And getting wrecked.

[jzek]

It amazes me how weak the Bulls are in the C position and yet they routinely beat teams featuring:

Olajuwon
Robinson
Ewing
etc.

[tpols]

Isn't that obvious?

Duncan in his Peak was a 2-headed Monster... Their entire game was based on his versatility, even non-assisted bucks mainly went through him.

The early 2000's Spurs were mainly DEFENSIVE Teams... Guess who anchored them.
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David Robinson. He had a higher defensive rapm than tim duncan did every single year 1999 through 2003. He impacted their team defense more than duncan did when he was on the court.. he was the most efficient defensive player in the league for many years.

Please.. just stop. You dont know shit about what the spurs were prior to your first witnessing of them play your boy in the 2013 finals. :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Isn't that obvious?

Duncan in his Peak was a 2-headed Monster... Their entire game was based on his versatility, even non-assisted bucks mainly went through him.

The early 2000's Spurs were mainly DEFENSIVE Teams... Guess who anchored them.

The Addition of Bowen underlined that.

I noted 2007 because that's pretty much the end of Timmy's Peak/prime.

I could have said '06 as well, because you had prime Timmy, a great Team, and well oiled offense...

But Pop was pretty controversial early on.. Even in danger of losing his Job (Basket Mag).

Edit: Which is my MAIN Point... Dude wasn't always a respected genius since he took on the Job.
So you just repeated yourself again... That's fine - but this goes to my last point. How was Pat Riley considered "elite" force-feeding Kareem in the early 80s with Magic and Cooper, where Pop was not, doing the same with Duncan, who played w/ a healthy David Robinson (arguably their best defender) and Sean Elliot?

[T_L_P]

David Robinson. He had a higher defensive rapm than tim duncan did every single year 1999 through 2003. He impacted their team defense more than duncan did when he was on the court.. he was the most efficient defensive player in the league for many years.

Please.. just stop. You dont know shit about what the spurs were prior to your first witnessing of them play your boy in the 2013 finals. :facepalm

Your calling card here is RAPM, so in the same breath...surely you must agree that Kobe has been a negative defensive player almost his entire career?

[Smoke117]

Your calling card here is RAPM, so in the same breath...surely you must agree that Kobe has been a negative defensive almost his entire career?

He's right though. David Robinson was the anchor of the defense through the at LEAST the 2001 season. It always makes me chuckle the people who think Duncan is a better defensive player than Robinson was. It's hilarious in its stupidity.

[T_L_P]

He's right though. David Robinson was the anchor of the defense through the at LEAST the 2001 season. It always makes me chuckle the people who think Duncan is a better defensive player than Robinson was. It's hilarious in its stupidity.

Agreed, so what's your point?

[97 bulls]

Dude get real. They didn't win 60 because of injuries. When everyone was playing and meshing, they wrecked the league. Starting on March 30th they won every game except two... a one point loss to the Knicks (April 1st) and an overtime loss to the Sixers (NBA Finals).
The Bulls won 62 games in 98 with Pippen missing half the season. As well as 69 the previous season with Rodman missing almost 30. Didn't the Heat win 65 games with Wade missing a fair amount of games? Injuries are a part of the game.

Im more impressed with a team capable of dominating a season and playoffs.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

David Robinson. He had a higher defensive rapm than tim duncan did every single year 1999 through 2003. He impacted their team defense more than duncan did when he was on the court.. he was the most efficient defensive player in the league for many years.

Please.. just stop. You dont know shit about what the spurs were prior to your first witnessing of them play your boy in the 2013 finals. :facepalm
His argument is naive and short-sided.

Like, if you're going to argue that running your offense thru your best player doesn't make you "elite", what the heck does that make PJax or Riley? Any coach in history that began their possessions w/ their best player?

Reality says Pop is one of the pioneers in the NBA/international movement, drafting guys that were at the time head scratchers (especially Parker). Nobody in NBA history has dealt with more international players coupled with the intuitive player development.

[T_L_P]

I know Duncan fans that tout this nonsense, but Spurs fans? Absolutely not. Pop was a good coach the day he decided to takeover for Bob Hill.

What nonsense are you referring to? That Pop wasn't an elite coach until 07? If so, I absolutely agree.

If it's that the offense didn't rely on Duncan's play 85+% of the time? Then no, it's not nonsense.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What nonsense are you referring to? That Pop wasn't an elite coach until 07? If so, I absolutely agree.

Are you saying you agree with that line of thinking, or that its absurd?


If it's that the offense didn't rely on Duncan's play 85+% of the time? Then no, it's not nonsense.
I don't have the data to quantify percentages, but yes, the offense was almost exclusively ran thru Timmy. Don't think anyone would argue there.

[T_L_P]

Are you saying you agree with that line of thinking, or that its absurd?


I don't have the data to quantify percentages, but yes, the offense was almost exclusively ran thru Timmy. Don't think anyone would argue there.

Sorry, that was confusing. Yes, that it's absurd to say he wasn't elite.

[sbw19]

A handful of past title-winning teams can beat them.

A better Q would be, who can't they beat in a 7-game series?

[aj1987]

Who the **** is supposed to stop Shaq? Seriously **** off moron, that heat team would barely phase the 01 Lakers.
Jesus Christ, you idiots can't read. :facepalm

Not even gonna bother answering. Go back read my earlier posts, retard.

[TheNaturalWR]

Honestly? Any team with 2 GREAT team players with good-decent role players. Shaq would get his, but if Kobe gets shut down, who else is going to score for them? '12 Heat and Jordan Bulls come to mind.

Before you idiots jump: As I said, Shaq would get his, but would stop LeBron AND Wade? Wade was still really good in '12. The Heat have enough perimeter and interior defense to stop anyone not named Shaq on that team. Shaq would probably average 45 PPG, but that still won't be enough. Kobe shot 41% in the Finals in '01. What do you think he's going to do against '12 LeBron, Wade, Battier, etc..

Honestly, I think you're choosing the wrong version of the Heat. The 11' Heat would have a much better shot. You're putting a LeBron and Wade that were both in their athletic prime. Wade had it all in the 11' playoffs, he had the inside and mid-range game going as well as elite defense. A LeBron James disappearance is the only reason why people think this wasn't the best version of the Heat.

[Megabox!]

Honestly, I think you're choosing the wrong version of the Heat. The 11' Heat would have a much better shot. You're putting a LeBron and Wade that were both in their athletic prime. Wade had it all in the 11' playoffs, he had the inside and mid-range game going as well as elite defense. A LeBron James disappearance is the only reason why people think this wasn't the best version of the Heat.
The reason why people don't think that Heat team was the best version is their bench. The 12' and 13' Heat teams had better bench production and if Wade was a healthier player in 2013 then that team would probably be the best version IMO

[aj1987]

Honestly, I think you're choosing the wrong version of the Heat. The 11' Heat would have a much better shot. You're putting a LeBron and Wade that were both in their athletic prime. Wade had it all in the 11' playoffs, he had the inside and mid-range game going as well as elite defense. A LeBron James disappearance is the only reason why people think this wasn't the best version of the Heat.
The team was garbage outside the big 3. LeBron didn't have a postgame. The '12 Heat was much deeper.

[SouBeachTalents]

The team was garbage outside the big 3. LeBron didn't have a postgame. The '12 Heat was much deeper.

That's definitely true, but the 2011 Heat still have Wade at the peak of his powers, who on any given night could be the best player in the world, and still was a top 3-5 player in the league

[ArbitraryWater]

His argument is naive and short-sided.

Like, if you're going to argue that running your offense thru your best player doesn't make you "elite", what the heck does that make PJax or Riley? Any coach in history that began their possessions w/ their best player?

Reality says Pop is one of the pioneers in the NBA/international movement, drafting guys that were at the time head scratchers (especially Parker). Nobody in NBA history has dealt with more international players coupled with the intuitive player development.


Bro you really need to up your history....

Pop didn't want to trade Parker.... R.C Bufford needed to convince him of that. (Don't you say "know your history" ?)

Look, Pop's upbringins don't seem to be too familiar with any of you guys (smoke, tpols)

The guy started Coaching relatively late. He was actually supposed to be an Agent for the CIA.

He started with Basketball after he got his degree at the Air Force Academy...

Pop was under heavy criticism when he fired Coach Bob Hill in '96... Even David Robinson who's usually quit went out and publically complained.

The next year was a disaster, but in return it gave them Duncan...

Meanwhile a local TV Programm brought out a show called "The worst of Popovich"

...

In 2000 Pop says (Paphrasing/Translating from German Magazin): "When it comes to Coaching, I have the easiest Job in the league, all due to Tim. He welcomes new guys, sets Standards in Training and always leads by example".


... Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know?

Then Pop had the perfect guy in Robinson, to be unselfish and take a step back... Pop himself said he could have refused to do it.

2007, 2004, whatever.. The main Point is that during the early parts of the 2000's century Popovic wasn't considered an elite coach yet.

And I don't even dislike Pop, think he's one of the 5 best coaches ever.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't think I've ever seen you offer anything to any discussion... Stay in the Godbe/Bran topics.

Edit: Go post that again, cat

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm tired of seeing you get ethered.

[HOoopCityJones]

See what I mean...:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.gyazo.com/98c4ba998fcaf2d39e59473dc4893879.png

This dude copied an entire ****ing essay, nobody gives a ****.. I wouldn't either.

What's to freak out about 2 lines? :confusedshrug:

2 damn lines..........

Goodness :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://i.gyazo.com/98c4ba998fcaf2d39e59473dc4893879.png

This dude copied an entire ****ing essay, nobody gives a ****.. I wouldn't either.

What's to freak out about 2 lines? :confusedshrug:

2 damn lines..........

Goodness :facepalm
The ridiculousness of plagiarized content has to be explained to you? Really?

[tpols]

This is what happens when you give a little kid the Internet.. :facepalm :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bro you really need to up your history....

Pop didn't want to trade Parker.... R.C Bufford needed to convince him of that. (Don't you say "know your history" ?)
Whether pop wanted him traded has no bearing on the fundamental point.. Guy drafted Parker, helped mentor and refine his skills to become an elite point guard.


Look, Pop's upbringins don't seem to be too familiar with any of you guys (smoke, tpols)

The guy started Coaching relatively late. He was actually supposed to be an Agent for the CIA.

He started with Basketball after he got his degree at the Air Force Academy...
Posting wiki facts that everyone already knows or can google is saying what exactly?

Phil Jackson also became a head coach in his late 40s, adapting principles from Tex Winter.. So how was he elite??


Pop was under heavy criticism when he fired Coach Bob Hill in '96... Even David Robinson who's usually quit went out and publically complained.

The next year was a disaster, but in return it gave them Duncan...
Every coach at some point gets scrutinized.

Larry brown with Philly and Indiana
Phil with his own assistant coaches
Riley in NY and Miami

Another non-point.. Furthermore the season you spoke about was a "disaster" due to outside circumstances Popovich couldn't control.. main one being injuries. Three quarters of that squad were out with injuries including Drob who missed the entire year.

Nobody is winning without a roster :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

This is what happens when you give a little kid the Internet.. :facepalm :lol

Keep taking jabs at my age :roll:

That in itself shows a level of immaturity.

An idiots guide to debating


Step 1. Assign the person you're debating with a random age. I.E 12

Step 2. Call them out for it

Step 3. Win

[ArbitraryWater]

In 2000 Pop says (Paphrasing/Translating from German Magazin): "When it comes to Coaching, I have the easiest Job in the league, all due to Tim. He welcomes new guys, sets Standards in Training and always leads by example".


.................... HE SAYS IT HIMSELF.

When will your brain grasp this?

[ImKobe]

In 2000 Pop says (Paphrasing/Translating from German Magazin): "When it comes to Coaching, I have the easiest Job in the league, all due to Tim. He welcomes new guys, sets Standards in Training and always leads by example".


.................... HE SAYS IT HIMSELF.

When will your brain grasp this?

What does this prove anyways? He's just giving props to a guy that just recently had delivered their franchise their first championship.

[tpols]

Pop says the same thing about duncan right now.. Has for years. It's called leadership.. Building chemistry.. You don't go around as coach and pimp yourself. You give praise to your players and give them confidence/set a tone. He's a players coach

Please.. Just stop. You sound like a fool

[ArbitraryWater]

What does this prove anyways? He's just giving props to a guy that just recently had delivered their franchise their first championship.

He pretty much gives Timmy all the credit Pop is praised with nowadays...

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll:

tpols do you realize how much energy you're wasting on me? :oldlol:

This gotta be like the 5th post these last 2 days centered around the great AW... All containing some kind of "too young" part... I see you're switching to "fool" now..

I hate to use it, but this is the very definition of rent free.

[tpols]

Not much energy man.. I've made 2-3 posts directed towards you here..

You've made patently false claims that everyone disagrees with(even guys on your side of the argument initially).. And yet you still keep pushing.. You're very stubborn in your ignorance. Definition of a fool.

[T_L_P]

One thing: Pop really did have one of the easiest coaching jobs in the league for a while.

He had arguably the two most unselfish, perfect stars any coach could ever want. And they both got it done on both ends.

Pop didn't need to scheme anything genius for them to win their first championship. They had two top 5 defenders and a flat-out offensive superstar. His minute management, even back then, was incredible, because that Spurs team was old as shit. But he wasn't getting an all-time nod until around 05. He did almost get fired in 99 because he wasn't doing a good job, that's a fact. Then Avery all but saved his ass -- on the court and in the lockeroom -- and gave him the chance to become one of, if not the greatest coach in NBA history.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not much energy man.. I've made 2-3 posts directed towards you here..

You've made patently false claims that everyone disagrees with(even guys on your side of the argument initially).. And yet you still keep pushing.. You're very stubborn in your ignorance. Definition of a fool.

Where did I hurt you? Please point me to the post about Kobe which put you in fury

[ArbitraryWater]

One thing: Pop really did have one of the easiest coaching jobs in the league for a while.

He had arguably the two most unselfish, perfect stars any coach could ever want. And they both got it done on both ends.

Pop didn't need to scheme anything genius for them to win their first championship. They had two top 5 defenders and a flat-out offensive superstar. His minute management, even back then, was incredible, because that Spurs team was old as shit. But he wasn't getting an all-time nod until around 05. He did almost get fired in 99 because he wasn't doing a good job, that's a fact.

Oh look, someone can back up what I am trying to get at here.... surprise surprise :rolleyes:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In 2000 Pop says (Paphrasing/Translating from German Magazin): "When it comes to Coaching, I have the easiest Job in the league, all due to Tim. He welcomes new guys, sets Standards in Training and always leads by example".


.................... HE SAYS IT HIMSELF.

When will your brain grasp this?
Everything pop does today via offensive principles, he labels "easy"

Thing is there are only a few coaches in history that could replicate his schemes and philosophical views of the game.

What was your point again?

[ArbitraryWater]

The mistake you're making, you're ignoring that this is a case by case study... The clueless will generalize, like you trying to put other coaches in play.

[tpols]

He said pop had one of the easiest jobs.. Which of course isn't completely true relatively.

If pop had coached the Kings would his job not have been easier considering how stacked they were?

If pop coached LA would he not have had one of the easiest jobs?

Was Phil not an elite coach because he had it 'easy' with having the GOAT scottie grant Rodman Kobe Shaq Pau?

It's like saying Phil Jackson wasn't an elite coach in 91 before he won.. He still used all the same principles and was the same person.. Results just solidified what was already there to begin with.

Pop has been an elite coach since the turn of the century 2000ish.. No question. He developed manu and Parker since 02/03ish.. And Has adapted his personel geniusly throughout the years.

[Droid101]

He did almost get fired in 99 because he wasn't doing a good job, that's a fact.
:rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

Except your low IQ brain doesn't realize all the ego's Phil kept in play....

Rodman? He was viewed a risk for ANY team back then... Phil took him on and held him in check like a dog.

He understod the mental aspect, and combined life situations to on court....
That's what Isiah was getting at on Open Court. He also taught Mike the team aspect, and on how to trust your teammates.

Phil was ALWAYS a master mentally, more so than the pure X's and O's... True Zen Master.

AND then kept Shaq/Kobe for a good portion of their careers in check... but mainly, WHEN IT MATTERED. You wanna know how tough that was, and he still suceeded?

Here: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/09/10/jerry-west-on-phil-jackson-wilt-kareem-kobe-magic-and-everything-a-searing-searching-autobiography/


While Pop had a mediocre team, all he could do was go through Duncan, obviously... But he earned recognition later on when he really participated in their success.



Case by case study.... Don't expose yourself.

[T_L_P]

If pop coached LA would he not have had one of the easiest jobs?

.

Would have had one of the tougher jobs in the league. Turning an absolute laughing stock of a team (4 All-Stars, sweep, preseason title favorites, sweep), with absolutely zero leadership or coordination, into a dynasty (with the aid of Kobe's progression, which Phil obviously had a large part in).

[T_L_P]

:rolleyes:

Read my edit. Avery became our coach around the time of Pop's near-firing. Pop was scared for his life. Avery whipped us into shape in ways early Pop didn't.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The mistake you're making, you're ignoring that this is a case by case study... The clueless will generalize, like you trying to put other coaches in play.
We all understand where you're coming from...it's just an incredibly stupid way of debating.

Name one poster that consigned your "Pop is elite in 2007" nonsense. I'll wait.

[tpols]

Don't expose myself? :oldlol:

The irony is rich with you..

And Rodman wasn't on the early Bulls.. Before Phil won anything and wasn't the goat coach yet. The egos there were mj scottie and grant.. Not a combative bunch. But Phil was still an elite coach before he won.. The results solidified what was already present. MJ wasn't goat til he proved it with rings but the ability was apparent before the results flooded in.

You saying pop wasn't an elite coach til 2007.. Gdamn.. now that's exposing yourself, as you have done countless times on this site.

[ArbitraryWater]

We all understand where you're coming from...it's just an incredibly stupid way of debating.

Name one poster that consigned your "Pop is elite in 2007" nonsense. I'll wait.

Oh my god.. :facepalm

Pop got his praise later on... 2005? '06? '07?

I guess any time during those years...

Before that he wasn't viewed as Erik Spoelstra, but neither the genius ATG coach he is now....

Stop trying too hard to be controversial. There's nothing wrong about that statement.

[HOoopCityJones]

AW committing ISH suicide.

[ArbitraryWater]

Considering you clearly don't come in to offer anything... Have some fun here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328794&page=2

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323478&page=7

The difference is, you get mad and have to cover it up with all your smileys...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10169159&postcount=14

Good ol' HCJ taking it up the ass... and crying about it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh my god.. :facepalm

Pop got his praise later on... 2005? '06? '07?

I guess any time during those years...

Before that he wasn't viewed as Erik Spoelstra, but neither the genius ATG coach he is now....

Stop trying too hard to be controversial. There's nothing wrong about that statement.

You originally said 2007. No mention of 2005..

If that is your edited stance, I disagree, but hey, at least some points hit home.

How old are you btw?

[ArbitraryWater]

You originally said 2007. No mention of 2005..

If that is your edited stance, I disagree, but hey, at least some points hit home.

How old are you btw?

Oh, 2005 and 2007 now make that big of a difference, eh?

Anyway, like I said, last year getting my degree... So for you I guess I could be anywhere between 17 and 22.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh, 2005 and 2007 now make that big of a difference, eh?

Anyway, like I said, last year getting my degree... So for you I guess I could be anywhere between 17 and 22.
Well it brings clarity to your position. I originally asked what made pop elite in 07 but not in 05, thinking you were impaired or something..

You're still young so I'll give you a pass. I mean.. aside from the blatant copy pasting, you are a better poster than all kobetards on ish.

:cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

Considering you clearly don't come in to offer anything... Have some fun here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328794&page=2

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323478&page=7

The difference is, you get mad and have to cover it up with all your smileys...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10169159&postcount=14

Good ol' HCJ taking it up the ass... and crying about it.


I could do this bullshit too, but I'm pretty sure you spend the other half of your time (when not posting on ISH) scrolling through all the old threads deleting your two faced , or shitty face palmy posts.(Which I'm sure you'll do here later) Everyone knows you're a fraud and we all just laugh about you behind your back and to your face.

You're probably the worse stan on this forum, because in your delusional mind you actually believe you're one of the better posters here. You push whatever agenda is the Toast of the day , and it seems half your shit you plagiarize from old posts, or different forums altogher. I'm also pretty sure JT, Dragic and dubeta are your alts. You're a Clown bruh.


As far as those posts , what you read there is me, no sugar coating, or two faced bullshit.
Everything.

[ArbitraryWater]

Well it brings clarity to your position. I originally asked what made pop elite in 07 but not in 05, thinking you were impaired or something..

You're still young so I'll give you a pass. I mean.. aside from the blatant copy pasting, you are a better poster than all kobetards on ish.

:cheers:

one last note on the debate: I think it's kind of irrelevant if '05, or '07... Around the time of the 3rd title... My main point was that Pop wasn't regarded elite through a good 6+ years of his career start, and he had it relatively easy with Timmy/D-Rob..


bolded: You're comparing me to guys like hoopcityjones, droid, etc. so thats not exactly something to be proud of :coleman:

As an unbiased voice, I'd say I'm GOAT tier ish.

[Miles and Miles]

with different refs... The Kings.

[MastaKilla]

with different refs... The Kings.

yeah the 01 wcsf is shrouded in controversy :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[zizozain]

All things in consideration, there is no team in history stopping them. Frobe alone is a nightmare on both ends, throw in prime shaq and its game over, i dont care if they play 2 on 5
this

[zizozain]

LOL at any team after the 01 Lakers (02 & on) giving the 01 Laker team any type of problems

Bunch of high school Lebron fans
and all of this

[Milbuck]

Pop ran a vanilla offense in the early 2000's (like every coach in the league. Offensively depressed basketball due to Isolation basketball, wave of wannabe Jordan's and HS players. The game after the 1999 lockout was pretty ugly for a while).

Pop became an elite coach by '07 or so. Lots of ISOs with the Spurs bigs. None of the Spur wings could even create their own shot off the dribble. They were all one-dimensional three point shooters. The only one that could do that was injured (Derek Anderson).


The fact that they suggested the 2001 Spurs were a defensive version of the 2014 Spurs is hilarious. Pop ran a vanilla offense back then(like every coach in the league). Lots of ISOs with the Spurs bigs. None of the Spur wings could even create their own shot off the dribble . They were all one-dimensional three point shooters. The only one that could do that was injured(Derek Anderson).


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10162303&postcount=280

Exposed. You don't know shit on your own

Man, I did my research, dude....

I mean, can you even attack any points I adressed?
http://nbatitlechase.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/gregg-popovich-laughing-gif.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

... It was inevitable :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

... It was inevitable :oldlol:
:oldlol: I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it...but seriously, you're not even gonna change up the words? Did high school writing classes teach you nothing?

[ArbitraryWater]

:oldlol: I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it...but seriously, you're not even gonna change up the words? Did high school writing classes teach you nothing?

:oldlol:

Man I just loved the term he used.. had to use it.

So I was like what the heck, its just 2 lines right.. Anyway as you can see, I immediately explained myself with my words... As wrong as you may think I was :D