Kyrie Irving now shooting 46.3% from three on season

[RedBlackAttack]

Yes, we are just 10 games in, but Irving's jumper has been wet so far. He's 25-for-54 from behind the arc. He's also currently sporting the best TS% (60.2), eFG (53.5%) and PER (22.2) of his young career.

So, while the Cavs' offense is still a work in progress, Irving seems to have adapted to playing alongside LBJ very well at this stage. I thought with his shooting ability that it was just a matter of time, but it happened sooner than I envisioned. You take away the first few games and his efficiency is through the roof.

Still a work in progress defensively, but he played the best defensive game of his career against the Spurs last night.

The first part of this equation was getting Irving and James on the same page. That looks like it has been accomplished. Phase two is working Love into things. It's still very early, so they shouldn't feel hurried or become impatient.

I don't think you'll see everyone on exactly the same wave length until well after the All Star break. But, figuring out the James/Irving formula was an important first step to getting there.

[Mr. Jabbar]

i've noticed kyrie leads every comeback in the 4th and takes the important shots, is this on the coach? you would think the lebron drive-in bully is the best option on that situation. but when W's are at stake the Kyrie 3 is the go-to move

[RedBlackAttack]

i've noticed kyrie leads every comeback in the 4th and takes the important shots, is this on the coach? you would think the lebron drive-in bully is the best option on that situation. but when W's are at stake the Kyrie 3 is the go-to move
Let's not turn this thread into that, K?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Let's not turn this thread into that, K?

:kobe:

k

[unbreakable]

kyrie is a SHOOTING GUARD this dude routinely has less than 3 assists a game LMAO

lebron deserves better than steve francis 2.0

[riseagainst]

kyrie is a SHOOTING GUARD this dude routinely has less than 3 assists a game LMAO

lebron deserves better than steve francis 2.0


:biggums:

Kyrie is averaging 5 assists so far in the season.

[Pointguard]

That's impressive indeed. Something seems missing in his game or presence that I just can't put my hand on it. There is something not fully integrated just yet. He is very amendable. Love won't be a problem.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Top 5 PG
guys one of the best offensive players in the league even tho his defense is ass

[DukeDelonte13]

He's improved his D, he needs to work on reading defenses and moving the ball around better.

His game has been improving and he doesn't seem to get rattled as easy as he did in years past.

His play has just been steadier and more consistent on both ends.


With Kyrie it's all about just making the right decisions and the right times. He has the ability he just needs to be smart with the ball.

[Droid101]

Let's not turn this thread into that, K?
It's partially you and the other actual Cavs fans fault for not decrying the trolls (dubeta/lebronx/jt).

CavsFTW is doing it right.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's partially you and the other actual Cavs fans fault for not decrying the trolls (dubeta/lebronx/jt).

CavsFTW is doing it right.
Hard to decry it when you aren't participating in the threads. Most of the LeBron/Cavs threads on here are unbearable troll fests that I have no desire to humor in the first place. It's not like I'm secretly reading this stuff and just not responding. Frankly, I don't know how so many people can partake in asinine troll threads.

Ignoring it is a more effective opposition than trolling them back or lecturing them.

[beastee]

He has played pretty well. Top 5 PG, Best SF in the world and a top 5 PF in the league. No excuses for that team. If Kyrie keeps playing this well, and they still lose, I don't know what the stans can try and do to defend their beloved.

[RedBlackAttack]

He's improved his D, he needs to work on reading defenses and moving the ball around better.

His game has been improving and he doesn't seem to get rattled as easy as he did in years past.

His play has just been steadier and more consistent on both ends.


With Kyrie it's all about just making the right decisions and the right times. He has the ability he just needs to be smart with the ball.
I like his current approach to the offense which seems to be playing his role, running through the screen work, handling the ball when called upon and, the majority of the time, just taking what the defense gives him. In addition to that, he will have these short bursts of taking over... a few minutes here and there, when the team needs him to step up.

He's not forcing the issue though and still working within the constraints of the offense. I don't think the team as a whole is at a point yet where he or LeBron can run a seamless offense where everyone is involved. It's just not there yet.

Right now, it seems to be about trying to find that place for 75-percent of the game and using that other 25-percent taking over. I can live with that for now. LeBron is sort of doing the same thing, fwiw. For right now, that seems like the best strategy. It works on the chemistry issues while still giving us a chance to win. There aren't a ton of players in the league who can turn it on and off like that. We have two of them.

Defensively, the improvement is clear. He still needs to get more consistent on that end, but he was really freaking good against the Spurs and Parker last night which is a good sign. He stepped up to the challenge and showed he's capable of playing on a high level on that end too.

[unbreakable]

Cavs have no shot at a ring with Kyrie as the point guard.. they need a REAL TRUE point guard .. not a shooting guard

trade kyrie for rondo, dragic, lowry, or rubio and you got a DYNASTY

[Im Still Ballin]

Cavs have no shot at a ring with Kyrie as the point guard.. they need a REAL TRUE point guard .. not a shooting guard

trade kyrie for rondo, dragic, lowry, or rubio and you got a DYNASTY
Offense really isn't the problem. They need more time to mesh. A rim protector would be helpful. Maybe something like Dion and something for Sanders and something?

[aj1987]

Dude has been ****ing impressive. I've never liked him before, but he's top 10 for sure. Just needs to improve his midrange game and need to drive a bit more. Dude is on par with centers when it comes to finishing at the rim. Inconsistent-Below average defensively. Still, he's an offensive juggernaut.

Only if he was 2-3 inches taller. Would've ripped the league a new one.

[Paul George 24]

Yes, we are just 10 games in, but Irving's jumper has been wet so far. He's 25-for-54 from behind the arc. He's also currently sporting the best TS% (60.2), eFG (53.5%) and PER (22.2) of his young career.

So, while the Cavs' offense is still a work in progress, Irving seems to have adapted to playing alongside LBJ very well at this stage. I thought with his shooting ability that it was just a matter of time, but it happened sooner than I envisioned. You take away the first few games and his efficiency is through the roof.

Still a work in progress defensively, but he played the best defensive game of his career against the Spurs last night.

The first part of this equation was getting Irving and James on the same page. That looks like it has been accomplished. Phase two is working Love into things. It's still very early, so they shouldn't feel hurried or become impatient.

I don't think you'll see everyone on exactly the same wave length until well after the All Star break. But, figuring out the James/Irving formula was an important first step to getting there.

homer :hammerhead:

[Paul George 24]

He's improved his D, he needs to work on reading defenses and moving the ball around better.

His game has been improving and he doesn't seem to get rattled as easy as he did in years past.

His play has just been steadier and more consistent on both ends.


With Kyrie it's all about just making the right decisions and the right times. He has the ability he just needs to be smart with the ball.

his d is improved,I heard u guy talked many times last season,but his d is still as worse as tony parker :roll:

[Paul George 24]

I like his current approach to the offense which seems to be playing his role, running through the screen work, handling the ball when called upon and, the majority of the time, just taking what the defense gives him. In addition to that, he will have these short bursts of taking over... a few minutes here and there, when the team needs him to step up.

He's not forcing the issue though and still working within the constraints of the offense. I don't think the team as a whole is at a point yet where he or LeBron can run a seamless offense where everyone is involved. It's just not there yet.

Right now, it seems to be about trying to find that place for 75-percent of the game and using that other 25-percent taking over. I can live with that for now. LeBron is sort of doing the same thing, fwiw. For right now, that seems like the best strategy. It works on the chemistry issues while still giving us a chance to win. There aren't a ton of players in the league who can turn it on and off like that. We have two of them.

Defensively, the improvement is clear. He still needs to get more consistent on that end, but he was really freaking good against the Spurs and Parker last night which is a good sign. He stepped up to the challenge and showed he's capable of playing on a high level on that end too.
hs man d is not even as gd as iverson,who is nmed a bad defender :lol

[Paul George 24]

I like his current approach to the offense which seems to be playing his role, running through the screen work, handling the ball when called upon and, the majority of the time, just taking what the defense gives him. In addition to that, he will have these short bursts of taking over... a few minutes here and there, when the team needs him to step up.

He's not forcing the issue though and still working within the constraints of the offense. I don't think the team as a whole is at a point yet where he or LeBron can run a seamless offense where everyone is involved. It's just not there yet.

Right now, it seems to be about trying to find that place for 75-percent of the game and using that other 25-percent taking over. I can live with that for now. LeBron is sort of doing the same thing, fwiw. For right now, that seems like the best strategy. It works on the chemistry issues while still giving us a chance to win. There aren't a ton of players in the league who can turn it on and off like that. We have two of them.

Defensively, the improvement is clear. He still needs to get more consistent on that end, but he was really freaking good against the Spurs and Parker last night which is a good sign. He stepped up to the challenge and showed he's capable of playing on a high level on that end too.
hs man d is not even as gd as iverson,who is always named a poor defender throughout his career :lol

[HomieWeMajor]

He can ball but the Cavs ain't winning any championships with him playing PG for them.

[DukeDelonte13]

He can ball but the Cavs ain't winning any championships with him playing PG for them.


if they could get to the finals with Eric Snow and Boobie Gibson why not win one with Kyrie? :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

homer :hammerhead:


his d is improved,I heard u guy talked many times last season,but his d is still as worse as tony parker :roll:


hs man d is not even as gd as iverson,who is nmed a bad defender :lol


hs man d is not even as gd as iverson,who is always named a poor defender throughout his career :lol

Excellent rebuttals. You win.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Love his aggressiveness. Sick handle, can always free up space. Wet jumper from deep. He is super creative in transition, or finishing at the bucket. Very impressive.

However, he's an atrocious defender, and rarely if ever looks to dump the ball off to an open man, even around the rim ... and he's supposed to be a PG?

[Inferno]

How his defense?

I had him and Lillard about even last year overall but Lillard's really stepped up on D

[DukeDelonte13]

How his defense?

I had him and Lillard about even last year overall but Lillard's really stepped up on D


he's improved.

Last year he'd play D in spurts, this year started the same way but you can tell he's giving a more consistent effort.

[RedBlackAttack]

he's improved.

Last year he'd play D in spurts, this year started the same way but you can tell he's giving a more consistent effort.
I thought he was the best defender on the floor last night against the Spurs. It was noticeable, even to the point where SVG commented on it. Not only did he stay in Parker's hip pocket through all those crazy screens that the Spurs run, but he was also causing havoc in the passing lanes.

He's not consistent with it yet, but the effort is clearly there. He's much improved.

[andremiller07]

I have never seen a more overrated player in my life, my god are people really blinded that hard by his flashiness? Top 5 PG :oldlol:, Kyrie has amazing skills don't get me wrong but he simply can't translate to playing winning basketball. This season there's been more than 10 PG than have been better.

His shot selection along with Waiters is just horrendous.

[RedBlackAttack]

I have never seen a more overrated player in my life, my god are people really blinded that hard by his flashiness? Top 5 PG :oldlol:, Kyrie has amazing skills don't get me wrong but he simply can't translate to playing winning basketball. This season there's been more than 10 PG than have been better.
In literally each of the Cavs' five wins this year (and in several of the games they ultimately lost), he spurred the team with at least one huge scoring outburst at key moments. He is one of the league leaders in fourth quarter scoring/efficiency.

In the Cavs' biggest win so far in Chicago, he had THE key And-1 when the Cavs were down three and the clock was winding down. He's always been very good under pressure and in the fourth quarter. And, if his "shot selection" is horrendous, why is he scoring efficiently? Doesn't make sense.

Not sure what he has to do to prove to you that he can play. You're the same guy who argued Isaiah Thomas was a better player last year. You sure you're watching the right guy? He wears #2 for the Cavaliers.

[Ariza4three]

I have never seen a more overrated player in my life, my god are people really blinded that hard by his flashiness? Top 5 PG :oldlol:, Kyrie has amazing skills don't get me wrong but he simply can't translate to playing winning basketball. This season there's been more than 10 PG than have been better.

His shot selection along with Waiters is just horrendous.
Damn. Dat rat poison :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Offense really isn't the problem. They need more time to mesh. A rim protector would be helpful. Maybe something like Dion and something for Sanders and something?
Waiters overall body language and mentality doesn't look right out there. He's had a couple of big plays, but you can tell he doesn't seem happy being the 4th option.

99% of Cavs problems right now are on defense. A rim protector would work wonders. Get a legit rim protector, and sign Allen for the minimum for some more veteran leadership in the locker room :rockon:

[Lebronxrings]

It's partially you and the other actual Cavs fans fault for not decrying the trolls (dubeta/lebronx/jt).

CavsFTW is doing it right.
that is so bs and you know it. Before we were even on this forum, people trolled lebron and made fun of him every single time. I didn't even get to go on ish after the spurs-cavs game, and neither did the other fellow lebron family members. When i come on, the first page is filled with lebron hate and jeers from kobe stans.

[andremiller07]

Not sure what he has to do to prove to you that he can play. You're the same guy who argued Isaiah Thomas was a better player last year. You sure you're watching the right guy? He wears #2 for the Cavaliers.
No I didn't I said they were the same player but Kyrie was better simple due to the fact he's 6'1/6'2. I said they do the exact same thing for you and that's blind you with flashy plays while lacking in winning, defence and basketball IQ.

I'm sure it's him it's the same guy that consistently forces up contested jumpers while playing on a stacked team that's 5-5 despite having the best player in the world and a PF who prior to playing on the Cavs and him was a beast. Everything I have also said applies to Dion Waiters who Cavs fans have been hyping forever, dude is rubbish despite being really talented.

[RedBlackAttack]

No I didn't I said they were the same player but Kyrie was better simple due to the fact he's 6'1/6'2. I said they do the exact same thing for you and that's blind you with flashy plays while lacking in winning, defence and basketball IQ.

I'm sure it's him it's the same guy that consistently forces up contested jumpers while playing on a stacked team that's 5-5 despite having the best player in the world and a PF who prior to playing on the Cavs and him was a beast. Everything I have also said applies to Dion Waiters who Cavs fans have been hyping forever, dude is rubbish despite being really talented.
No analysis in this post whatsoever. Just basically every negative stereotype you could possibly come up with followed by a shift of the conversation to Dion Waiters, who has nothing to do with this thread.

Like I said, I don't think you've been watching. Otherwise, you could give me examples of the kinds of plays you're talking about or point out the statistical analysis supporting your opinion. If it were that obvious, it'd be there.

But, it's not. He is having far and away his most efficient season and has been playing at a very high level this year.

Your post is rubbish, frankly.

[Da Hammer]

I know it's early but just from what I've seen I agree that Lebron and Irving are working well, I expect that to continue. Kind of like the Lebron and Wade dynamic that got better but this should be much quicker/efficient because unlike Wade, Irving is showing a much better outside shot and as you mentioned the 3 point percentage has made a big leap. Not to change the topic of your thread but it's actually Kevin Love that I don't expect to mesh well in this big 3. Offensively he'll be fine but it's becoming quite clear that he's going to be that 3rd option like Chris Bosh. So ideally you would want him contribute solid offense with some great D like Bosh did in Miami. Unlike Bosh though, Love doesn't have the wingspan and quickness that makes Bosh a really good defender. Some will point to his rebounding but from what I've seen Love is a big liability on defense and I don't think on THIS team that his offense can offset that. Maybe if they had a shot blocker then he wouldn't be a big problem but they don't have that rim protection. I really think Love is not a good fit on this team based on the personnel they have up front.

[noob cake]

3 point shooting contest winner can shoot the basketball you don't say?

It'll probably take another few months for haters to realize that Kyrie is clutch (and has been statistically a top 2 clutchest player every year he has played)

[J Shuttlesworth]

I know it's early but just from what I've seen I agree that Lebron and Irving are working well, I expect that to continue. Kind of like the Lebron and Wade dynamic that got better but this should be much quicker/efficient because unlike Wade, Irving is showing a much better outside shot and as you mentioned the 3 point percentage has made a big leap. Not to change the topic of your thread but it's actually Kevin Love that I don't expect to mesh well in this big 3. Offensively he'll be fine but it's becoming quite clear that he's going to be that 3rd option like Chris Bosh. So ideally you would want him contribute solid offense with some great D like Bosh did in Miami. Unlike Bosh though, Love doesn't have the wingspan and quickness that makes Bosh a really good defender. Some will point to his rebounding but from what I've seen Love is a big liability on defense and I don't think on THIS team that his offense can offset that. Maybe if they had a shot blocker then he wouldn't be a big problem but they don't have that rim protection. I really think Love is not a good fit on this team based on the personnel they have up front.
Agreed. Irving and Bron have been meshing quite well. LeBron is obviously the leader of the team, but there are stretches where Blatt gets Irving going. You would think that LeBron playing PG and Irving taking a role as an SG would work perfectly. I'm actually more worried about Love not getting enough.... "love"

I love Irving's mentality. I wish LeBron was as agressive as Irving at times

[G-train]

Yes, we are just 10 games in, but Irving's jumper has been wet so far. He's 25-for-54 from behind the arc. He's also currently sporting the best TS% (60.2), eFG (53.5%) and PER (22.2) of his young career.

So, while the Cavs' offense is still a work in progress, Irving seems to have adapted to playing alongside LBJ very well at this stage.

I wouldn't say that the bolded is correct based on shooting percentage.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I wouldn't say that the bolded is correct based on shooting percentage.
Uhh what?

http://i.imgur.com/iznIIiD.png

Irving is having a statistically better season than last year.

[Da Hammer]

Agreed. Irving and Bron have been meshing quite well. LeBron is obviously the leader of the team, but there are stretches where Blatt gets Irving going. You would think that LeBron playing PG and Irving taking a role as an SG would work perfectly. I'm actually more worried about Love not getting enough.... "love"
Love figures to get more shots when Lebron is the PG because unlike Irving, Lebron many times is looking to set up the open shooter. So you will get Love getting a ton of open 3's. But then Love is essentially turned into a spot up shooter like Bosh was in Miami. Love will hit a really good percentage but then again you aren't using him to his full potential on offense. I mean it's something to think about after this season when you have to pay him big money. Do you really want to give Love the max when he's probably not the best fit on this team? But then you already gave up quite a bit to get him and idk it's an interesting situation.

[ImKobe]

Uhh what?

http://i.imgur.com/iznIIiD.png

Irving is having a statistically better season than last year.

Especially the turnovers. Nice to see he's having a career year under Lebron.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Love figures to get more shots when Lebron is the PG because unlike Irving, Lebron many times is looking to set up the open shooter. So you will get Love getting a ton of open 3's. But then Love is essentially turned into a spot up shooter like Bosh was in Miami. Love will hit a really good percentage but then again you aren't using him to his full potential on offense. I mean it's something to think about after this season when you have to pay him big money. Do you really want to give Love the max when he's probably not the best fit on this team? But then you already gave up quite a bit to get him and idk it's an interesting situation.
Well Love is a pretty great 3 pt shooter, better than Bosh for sure. We've seen LeBron get Love a lot of open looks already. We've also seen LeBron playing PG and simply getting Love the ball in the post and let him do his thing. Blatt has been running Love in the post several times a game, so I think Love has been getting the looks he needs/wants.

I just think Love would be better utilized if Kyrie played like a more traditional PG. You don't really want LeBron playing 40 mpg as the point guard every game. Not a recipe for success when you get deep in the season

[J Shuttlesworth]

Especially the turnovers. Nice to see he's having a career year under Lebron.
Shouldn't you be trying to spin this another way? Irving having a better season than last year totally demolishes the argument that LeBron turns all stars into spot up shooters and their stats go down :no:

[Da Hammer]

Well Love is a pretty great 3 pt shooter, better than Bosh for sure. We've seen LeBron get Love a lot of open looks already. We've also seen LeBron playing PG and simply getting Love the ball in the post and let him do his thing. Blatt has been running Love in the post several times a game, so I think Love has been getting the looks he needs/wants.

I just think Love would be better utilized if Kyrie played like a more traditional PG. You don't really want LeBron playing 40 mpg as the point guard every game. Not a recipe for success when you get deep in the season
That's just not Irving's mentality though. His style is to attack, attack, attack. He has shown the play making ability but his first instinct is to look for his own shot. His whole mentality and style of play would have to change for him to become a traditional PG.

[RedBlackAttack]

I wouldn't say that the bolded is correct based on shooting percentage.
On whose shooting percentage? LeBron's or Irving's? Irving is having a career year in terms of efficiency... 3 PT%, TS%, eFG%, etc.

[PsychoBe]

too many i see him look for his own shot with his ball-handling instead of an easier shot for others. or do what a pg is supposed to do and just dump the ball into the post for love to go to work.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Shoots 0-6 the next game. Solid jinx.

[tontoz]

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[Mr. Jabbar]

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[andremiller07]

No analysis in this post whatsoever. Just basically every negative stereotype you could possibly come up with followed by a shift of the conversation to Dion Waiters, who has nothing to do with this thread.

Like I said, I don't think you've been watching. Otherwise, you could give me examples of the kinds of plays you're talking about or point out the statistical analysis supporting your opinion. If it were that obvious, it'd be there.

But, it's not. He is having far and away his most efficient season and has been playing at a very high level this year.

Your post is rubbish, frankly.
Did you watch 2night? :oldlol:

Jon Barry - "I don't think anyone else have touched the ball this quarter other than Kyrie"

Jon Barry - "bad shot by Kyrie"

Kyrie is the perfect player for a team like the 76ers he will put bums in seats for fans who don't really understand the game and he will still lead you to the #1 pick and plenty of losses which is what the 76ers wants.

[AintNoSunshine]

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