Besides Jordan; Is there a better 2 year stretch by a super star than Lebron?

[Im Still Ballin]

2011-2013

2 Championships
2 FMVPs
2 MVPs
2 All-star selections
Olympic Gold
Runner up DPOY

We can all truly say that during this span, Lebron downright owned the league.

Obviously Jordan could easily match this... My mind is hazy right now, is there any other 2 year stretch by a star player that could match this?

[Im Still Ballin]

Was thinking maybe Duncan, but he only had 1 ring during his back to back MVPs

[Jlamb47]

Shaq from 00-02 was nice

[ArbitraryWater]

Well in accomplishments? Russell.

Russel, MJ, LeBron only ones to win MVP/FMVP/TITLE consecutively.

Hakeem right there, won a DPOTY.

Play? MJ, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt (?)

HM: Bird

[unbreakable]

kobe had the same exact run in 2009 and 2010

2 rings as alpha
gold medal (dominated the blue/white scrimmage against lebrons team and hit the gamewinner)

more impressive imo

[KyleKong]

2000-2001 Shaq had an amazing back-to-back.

2 Championships
2 FMVP
One Scoring title (As well as highest PPG average in career)
All-Star game MVP
2 All-Defensive Second Team

[SouBeachTalents]

Hakeem's '94-'95 ain't too shabby either

1 MVP
2 Finals MVP's
1 DPOY
Knocked off Ewing, Robinson, and Shaq in the playoffs

[Im Still Ballin]

So I think we can conclude that outside of Air Jordan, Shaq and Hakeem are both on par with Lebrons 2 year stretch. They both only have 1 MVP in that window, but they also had scoring titles/DPOY awards which are worthy accomplishments.

[aj1987]

Shaq is right up there. Peak Shaq is on par with peak MJ. That specific stretch of two years? Only MJ, Shaq, and Hakeem come to mind.

[jayfan]

Hakeem





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[jayfan]

Shaq is right up there. Peak Shaq is on par with peak MJ. That specific stretch of two years? Only MJ, Shaq, and Hakeem come to mind.

As far as what?





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[MastaKilla]

Shaq is right up there. Peak Shaq is on par with peak MJ. That specific stretch of two years? Only MJ, Shaq, and Hakeem come to mind.

this is a myth.

there is not much difference between 98,99,00,01,02 Shaq. He didn't get significantly better from 99-00. He got beat by the Spurs in 99 while putting up basically the same numbers he did in the 01 series.

He needed Kobe to be elite, (in 2000 he needed Duncan to be injured) and capable of taking over games in the 4th. Kobe led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring during 01-02.

The double standard for Shaq is hilarious. nobody would be labeling Lebron's 12-13 as impressive as they do if Wade was putting up 28/5/5 the whole time..

[riseagainst]

this is a myth.

there is not much difference between 98,99,00,01,02 Shaq. He didn't get significantly better from 99-00. He got beat by the Spurs in 99 while putting up basically the same numbers he did in the 01 series.

He needed Kobe to be elite, (in 2000 he needed Duncan to be injured) and capable of taking over games in the 4th. Kobe led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring during 01-02.

The double standard for Shaq is hilarious. nobody would be labeling Lebron's 12-13 as impressive as they do if Wade was putting up 28/5/5 the whole time..

well said brotha.

[Myth]

2000 and 2001 Shaq was better than any 2 year stretch by LeBron.

[aj1987]

As far as what?





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On court production.


this is a myth.

there is not much difference between 98,99,00,01,02 Shaq. He didn't get significantly better from 99-00. He got beat by the Spurs in 99 while putting up basically the same numbers he did in the 01 series.

He needed Kobe to be elite, (in 2000 he needed Duncan to be injured) and capable of taking over games in the 4th.

The double standard for Shaq is hilarious. nobody would be labeling Lebron's 12-13 as impressive as they do if Wade was putting up 28/5/5 the whole time..

Statistically, Mike had his best playoff run in '86. Got SWEPT in the first round.

Statistically, Shaq had his best playoff runs from '00-'02. Won 3 rings and 3 FMVP's.

[No_Look604]

LeTainted.

[ImKobe]

09-10 Kobe

30/6/6/2/1 in the POs on 57%TS

12-13 Bran

28/9/6/2/1 on 58%TS

Playoff averages wise, it's really close, and Bran played about 2 minutes more per game on average, too.

[hawksdreamfan44]

Can Pistol Pete from 1976-78 get a mention?

[aj1987]

09-10 Kobe

30/6/6/2/1 in the POs on 57%TS

12-13 Bran

28/9/6/2/1 on 58%TS

Playoff averages wise, it's really close, and Bran played about 2 minutes more per game on average, too.
Accolades? LeBron won 2 MVP's. Yeah, Playoff average wise, it's really close though.

[SouBeachTalents]

Can Pistol Pete from 1976-78 get a mention?

Lol, his probably wouldn't even make a top 25 2 year stretch

[ImKobe]

Accolades? LeBron won 2 MVP's. Yeah, Playoff average wise, it's really close though.

I'm saying strictly Playoffs

[aj1987]

I'm saying strictly Playoffs
Yeah, then it's basically a tie. You're not gonna go wrong with either of them.

[kennethgriffin]

2011-2013

2 Championships - 0.5* ( ray owns the other )
2 FMVPs ( 0.5* )
2 MVPs ( should be 0... how can a colluder on a 3 legend team be most valued )
2 All-star selections
Olympic Gold ( allot of people win gold. its an allstar team )
Runner up DPOY ( overrated defender )
?


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and i'l take kobes 2 year run in 2009 and 2010 where he beat more teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs than lebron has in his entire life. and ontop of it won without another HOF'r both times ( and even if gasol makes it. its only due to his euro shit )

no colluding*
no ring chasing*
no bail outs*
no lock outs*
no cheating*
no league wide mass murder injuries*

[riseagainst]

in terms of individual production in the playoffs, several all time greats have done it, or better.

[JebronLames]

I'm saying strictly Playoffs
LeBron was much better defensively and was the main reason the heat won both championships. Lakers frontline was the main reason they won. Kobe is the greatest sidekick of all time, nothing wrong with that.

[3ball]

Russel, MJ, LeBron only ones to win MVP/FMVP/TITLE consecutively.

Hakeem right there, won a DPOTY.

Play? MJ, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt (?)

HM: Bird
when has regular season MVP meant anything?

look at durant last year, or derrick rose, or allen iverson, or steve nash.

you can't use an award gotten by these guys as a reason for lebron having an all-time great 2-year span.

[ImKobe]

LeBron was much better defensively and was the main reason the heat won both championships. Lakers frontline was the main reason they won. Kobe is the greatest sidekick of all time, nothing wrong with that.

Lebron needed a miracle play in order to NOT lose the 2013 Finals. 2 turnovers plus 2 out of 3 shots missed in the last minute of an elimination game :oldlol:

[KyleKong]

Lebron needed a miracle play in order to NOT lose the 2013 Finals. 2 turnovers plus 2 out of 3 shots missed in the last minute of an elimination game :oldlol:

Pot meet kettle

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/795699/ron-artest-for-3-game-7-o.gif

You do understand this game is a team sport, right?

Do you know what team Kobe even plays for?

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron needed a miracle play in order to NOT lose the 2013 Finals. 2 turnovers plus 2 out of 3 shots missed in the last minute of an elimination game :oldlol:

If you're going to bring that up, 6/24 deserves mentioning as well

[bdreason]

Bird, Hakeem, and Shaq were first to come to mind.

[Heavincent]

Pot meet kettle

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/795699/ron-artest-for-3-game-7-o.gif

You do understand this game is a team sport, right?

Do you know what team Kobe even plays for?

First of all, the Lakers were already up when he made that shot. That was just the dagger.

Secondly, it came off the assist from Kobe, who drew the attention to get Artest a good look.

Great shot by Artest though

[ImKobe]

Pot meet kettle

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/795699/ron-artest-for-3-game-7-o.gif

You do understand this game is a team sport, right?


Ron was able to make that shot because Kobe made the play and passed it to him.



Do you know what team Kobe even plays for?

Umm, the los angeles Kobes?

[aj1987]

First of all, the Lakers were already up when he made that shot. That was just the dagger.

Secondly, it came off the assist from Kobe, who drew the attention to get Artest a good look.

Great shot by Artest though
Isn't that why you Kobe fans call LeBron "passive"? Him trying to make the correct play? I still remember when this board crashed because LeBron passed it to and OPEN Haslem against the Jazz in an RS game ('11, IIRC).

[j3lademaster]

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and i'l take kobes 2 year run in 2009 and 2010 where he beat more teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs than lebron has in his entire life. and ontop of it won without another HOF'r both times ( and even if gasol makes it. its only due to his euro shit )

no colluding*
no ring chasing*
no bail outs*
no lock outs*
no cheating*
no league wide mass murder injuries*Really annoying when people discredit Gasol's impact like this. You have to measure how good Gasol is relative to his position in the league.

Gasol outplayed Dwight straight up in the finals and has a case for the best center in the league, and was probably the 2nd best pf behind Dirk. The front office provided Kobe with the best front court possible out of the talent pool available. Sure prime Shaq and Hakeem would eat Gasol alive, but they weren't in the league.

[magnax1]

If we're talking in terms of play, there are quite a few that are as good, although not all are necessarily better
Shaq 00-01
Wilt 61-62, 67-68
Bird 85-86
Russell 61-65 (choose any two)
Those are definitely better. I'm not gonna list ones that are similar. If I did the list would be pretty long.

[Hey Yo]

kobe had the same exact run in 2009 and 2010

2 rings as alpha
gold medal (dominated the blue/white scrimmage against lebrons team and hit the gamewinner)

more impressive imo
Just when you think you've seen it all when it comes to Kobe stans...

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[magnax1]

Really annoying when people discredit Gasol's impact like this. You have to measure how good Gasol is relative to his position in the league.

Gasol outplayed Dwight straight up in the finals and has a case for the best center in the league, and was probably the 2nd best pf behind Dirk. The front office provided Kobe with the best front court possible out of the talent pool available. Sure prime Shaq and Hakeem would eat Gasol alive, but they weren't in the league.
Gasol was a borderline all star. Not really that impressive.

[ArbitraryWater]

First of all, the Lakers were already up when he made that shot. That was just the dagger.

Secondly, it came off the assist from Kobe, who drew the attention to get Artest a good look.

Great shot by Artest though

:facepalm

That wasn't a "good look".... Pierce was right there, hand in face, contested, etc. just a ballsy clutch shot.

http://i.gyazo.com/f46d8f162806cab573a5a43b249f09dd.png

[3ball]

Ron was able to make that shot because Kobe made the play and passed it to him.


very true - kobe's superior scoring ability helped his team be more effective against the best teams - kobe's teams did indeed fare better against the best teams, and this was in part due to kobe's style of play.

for example, in game 7 of 2010 Finals, if kobe had been on pace to only take 17 shots like lebron in the 2014 Finals, the Celtics would have been playing everyone straight up by the time the 4th quarter rolled around, and kobe would not have attracted sufficient defensive attention for Ron Artest to even be open.

if that were lebron, the celtics would be blowing lebron out of the gym, because lebron's "system" approach of seeking only good shots allows the defense to get in a rhythm of staying at home on his teammates and locking them down - that's why the heat's offense was the worst of any Spurs opponent in the 2014 playoffs, and that's why their offense (91.2 ORtg vs Spurs) paled in comparison to the Lakers offense in the 2010 Finals (106 ORtg).

[JebronLames]

Lebron needed a miracle play in order to NOT lose the 2013 Finals. 2 turnovers plus 2 out of 3 shots missed in the last minute of an elimination game :oldlol:
Doesn't change the fact that he was the main reason for them winning, and kobe was never the main reason.

[Droid101]

So I think we can conclude that outside of Air Jordan, Shaq and Hakeem are both on par with Lebrons 2 year stretch. They both only have 1 MVP in that window, but they also had scoring titles/DPOY awards which are worthy accomplishments.
Uh, judging on the above posts, Kobe's run was about equal, but you ignored that post.

[Micku]

this is a myth.

there is not much difference between 98,99,00,01,02 Shaq. He didn't get significantly better from 99-00. He got beat by the Spurs in 99 while putting up basically the same numbers he did in the 01 series.

He needed Kobe to be elite, (in 2000 he needed Duncan to be injured) and capable of taking over games in the 4th. Kobe led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring during 01-02.

The double standard for Shaq is hilarious. nobody would be labeling Lebron's 12-13 as impressive as they do if Wade was putting up 28/5/5 the whole time..

He got better defensively in 99-00 due to Phil Jax coaching and his ability motivate Shaq tho. But you're right that Shaq was beating before the 00.

[Marchesk]

Wilt, 66-68:

24.2/24/8.2 on 63.9% regular season
22.7/26.9/7.8 on 55.7% playoffs

2 MVPs, 65 win average, championship, 7 game ECF loss to Boston

[knicksman]

Lol at these cheap bran stans being proud of their boy's cheap rings

[fpliii]

Shaq and Hakeem are the best peaks/stretches I've seen (started watching in 92-93 so I missed MJ at his best).

[Sarcastic]

You forgot to mention his Christmas MVP award.

[guy]

I never really thought there was anything special about Lebron's 2013 playoff run. Overall numbers weren't anything special. No one playoff series that stood out. Was as close as you can get to actually losing.

[kennethgriffin]

that ron artest three wasnt even the nail in the coffin. it put the lakers up 6. then a second later ray allen hit a corner 3. then kobe hit 2 free throws. then rondo hits a 3, then sasha hits 2 free throws, then rondo misses the last shot. odom lobs to kobe and he runs out the clock


how in the world is this anything close to ray allens all time most clutch season/game/finals/title/career saving shot of all time in any sport period


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