Mike Conley vs Kyle Lowry (Did the grizzlies make the right decision?)

[Im so nba'd out]

Who is the better player and which would you rather have on your team?

[andremiller07]

Could not go wrong with either tbh, which ever they choose would have been a good choice.

[All Net]

Amazing they had both

Big fan of both guys.

[BIG FURB]

When you got options like that you win either way

[Smoke117]

When you got options like that you win either way

This. Lowry is probably a little bit better...but you can't go wrong with either.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Conleys better. Lowry is a better scorer, more explosive and a better rebounding. He plays a physical style of bully ball for guards bigger than he is type game. Conleys more refined, makes less mistakes and the right passes, more patient, higher IQ, has a better jumper, is more consistent and is a much better defender. Lowry has more potential to explode in a game but he also has a potential to play really bad early and have his team try to dig out of a hole. in the playoffs that style will struggle more

[Twiens]

Lowry's better but there isn't really a wrong choice here.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Conley is the better fit

[Milbuck]

Lowry is clearly better imo, I'd take him if I had the choice. It's not a huge gap or anything but I'm certain I'd choose him right now.

And for the playoffs, he'd be more valuable to the Grizzlies, considering he's just a better go-to offensive option than Conley.

But Conley is pretty damn good himself, and the Grizzlies are more than okay with him there.

[AussieG]

Lowry is a better scorer, Conley is a better leader of the team and fit in terms of the Grizz roster. Both players have improved their game a lot over the last few seasons and as others have said it would have been a win win either way.

Before Conley Grizzlies had never won a playoff game, now they have won multiple playoff games and series including beating teams like Clippers, Thunder and Spurs in the playoffs. They are currently #1 record in the league. No one knows what would have happened if it was Lowry in that position. That is something that is different from personal stats.

[Nets fan 93]

I'd take Conley. More of a playmaker a nice scorer as well but is smarter offensively and lot smarter and better defensively.

[red1]

I am 100% unbiased. I take Lowry.

[NLZ]

Lowry. This is like a 70/30 thing, the 30% aren't entirely wrong, gotta respect their opinion.

[SwishSquared]

Lowry is clearly better imo, I'd take him if I had the choice. It's not a huge gap or anything but I'm certain I'd choose him right now.

And for the playoffs, he'd be more valuable to the Grizzlies, considering he's just a better go-to offensive option than Conley.

But Conley is pretty damn good himself, and the Grizzlies are more than okay with him there.
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This right here. For the next several years, I'd take Conley since he's younger, but for this season, Lowry is probably the better option.

Conley is great and fits seamlessly into the Grizz system (and would be great on most teams) but Lowry's knack for scoring could help the Grizzlies in the playoffs. Memphis plays well as a unit, but doesn't exactly have a "go-to" perimeter option in the way that Lowry asserts himself on the Raptors.

Obviously Memphis is playing extremely well this season with Conley. They didn't make a bad choice- they went with the team-first choice. Plus, it took longer for things to click with Lowry.

[kurple]

Amazing they had both

Big fan of both guys.
how bout houston? having Dragic and Lowry

[plowking]

Conley is consistently underrated.

Great PG. Plays under control and does what is needed on the day to try and win. Really under control the whole time he plays and doesn't make stupid mistakes either. I think you put him on another team where he is told he has free reign, and he starts putting up 22/9 type numbers.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

how bout houston? having Dragic and Lowry
Conley is better than Goran but yeah houston messed up

[Smook A.]

Conley is better than Goran but yeah houston messed up
At the time, we didn't know that Dragic and Lowry were going to turn out to be this good.

[Levity]

At the time, we didn't know that Dragic and Lowry were going to turn out to be this good.

then your GM and rest of the staff are morons. Both Lowry and Dragic blew up their final season with HOU. Lowry in the first half of the season before he missed a couple months with that random infection. and while he was out, Dragic had his own insanity going at that time.

any decent talent evaluator could tell what direction these players were headed.

[lilteapot]

both excellent, but i'd take lowry. conley made some aggravating mistakes in last year's playoffs to the point where I wanted him off the floor.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

At the time, we didn't know that Dragic and Lowry were going to turn out to be this good.
as fans sure, but the front office and talent evaluators shouldve known better. both showed talent in their final year too

[Smook A.]

then your GM and rest of the staff are morons. Both Lowry and Dragic blew up their final season with HOU. Lowry in the first half of the season before he missed a couple months with that random infection. and while he was out, Dragic had his own insanity going at that time.

any decent talent evaluator could tell what direction these players were headed.
I don't know why Morey decided to trade Lowry. That was obviously a retarded move. As for Dragic, Morey actually wanted him back and gave him a contract. Dragic wanted a player option with it, but Morey didn't give it to him.

[Milbuck]

I don't know why Morey decided to trade Lowry. That was obviously a retarded move. As for Dragic, Morey actually wanted him back and gave him a contract. Dragic wanted a player option with it, but Morey didn't give it to him.
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[Smook A.]

:confusedshrug:
What?

[BurningHammer]

Different kinds of PGs, different team structures. They both work very well so far anyway.

[Milbuck]

What?
Daryl Morey is a fat retard. Emphasis on fat and retard.

[Levity]

i think morey traded lowry because of lowry's growing disdain for Mcchale (by the end of the season, Mc preferred dragic over lowry), and at the same time, Morey saw an opportunity to go after Lin who was coming off his linsanity, in hopes of drawing in the asian market and obtaining a quality starting PG at the same time. he was painfully let down with the latter. but you could blame that on the eventual harden trade, if youd like.

[Im so nba'd out]

At the time, we didn't know that Dragic and Lowry were going to turn out to be this good.
get out of my thread

[ProfessorMurder]

I think Lowry is better and his defense is a bit better, but Conley might fit better with ZBo and Marc from a team play perspective...

I feel like Lowry can probably take over a game more than Conley. So I'd ultimately take him, but it probably doesn't increase their win total much either way.

[Smook A.]

get out of my thread
Captain Skinny Dick telling me what to do again. Literally burst out laughing. You have ZERO control over what I do on ISH you *** guzzling demon slut.

[The Sting]

Conley is better than Goran but yeah houston messed up
Nope. Equal at least. I'd only take Conley because he's younger. Dragic is better imo

[AussieG]

There hasn't been a single moment when I have regretted having Conley as my PG instead of Lowry. There is a reason why Conley was chosen and Lowry came off the bench. Why they kept one and got rid of the other. There hasn't been any moment during all of the years, any sense of regret. Not a single moment, not just from me as a fan but from the franchise as a whole.

But I've seen Lowry with his other teams at times and been surprised at how well he's done. He's exceeded anything I ever expected from him, especially his 3 point shooting and overall scoring output.

That doesn't mean he would have done the same in Memphis. See OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay. Memphis is really good at maximising it's talent and it's rare that someone leaves and explodes. Rudy has been good with the Kings this season, but even so.. it doesn't mean he'd be doing the same in a Grizz uniform. And that's why debates like this are silly because they are meaningless.

The results matter. Everything else is what if this.. what if that.. or excuses.

[AussieG]

Nope. Equal at least. I'd only take Conley because he's younger. Dragic is better imo

You guys have a weird definition of what better means. Does it mean more W's, a better player to use in NBA 2K or better fantasy stats?

[YouGotServed]

At the time, we didn't know that Dragic and Lowry were going to turn out to be this good.
What? lol lol lo lo lol lol oh

It's entirely the opposite actually. Morey was the first one who saw the potential in Dragic and especially Lowry. He knew they were good PGs. He always does. That's what makes him one of the greatest GMs ever. Quite the slip up there Smook. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you. :D

@OP

I'd take Conley. Lowry is slightly a better player but he has a shitty attitude. So Conley is my choice.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I think Lowry is better and his defense is a bit better, but Conley might fit better with ZBo and Marc from a team play perspective...

I feel like Lowry can probably take over a game more than Conley. So I'd ultimately take him, but it probably doesn't increase their win total much either way.
Lowrys defense isnt on the same level..............being aggressive on defense doesnt mean youre good......

[AussieG]

What's with all of this Dragic hype?

It's funny because I thought he was underrated when playing behind Nash and deserved more minutes. He is now a solid player that gets more minutes, but now it seems now he is overrated.

Conley is good at all the things that the noob superstar fanboys don't see or understand.

He and Marc Gasol are the engine that keep the Grizz train chugging along and it's got nothing to do with assists, rebounding or points. They don't even need to shoot the ball. When they are on the floor, there is an offensive flow and ball movement that makes everyone better. When they are off the floor everything suffers. The efficiency in terms of rebounding or assist/TO ratios or whatever else are nice too. Clutch shooting or post moves. But they both have a great attitude.. strong leadership and 10/10 basketball IQ. Both of these players are the core and the entire roster is built around them.

Too long didn't read version.. no one on Grizz roster produces big stats.. but if Marc Gasol or Conley are ever injured, Grizzlies are screwed. When they are healthy.. the Grizz are a very good team. One of the best in the West.. for the last few years.

[ProfessorMurder]

Lowrys defense isnt on the same level..............being aggressive on defense doesnt mean youre good......

No it doesn't mean that but his aggression combined with TA and the bigs behind him would be great.

Both Conley and Lowry's d is a little overrated to me.

[VIP2000]

i think morey traded lowry because of lowry's growing disdain for Mcchale (by the end of the season, Mc preferred dragic over lowry), and at the same time, Morey saw an opportunity to go after Lin who was coming off his linsanity, in hopes of drawing in the asian market and obtaining a quality starting PG at the same time. he was painfully let down with the latter. but you could blame that on the eventual harden trade, if youd like.

Did you know Lowry, Dragic, and Lin were all on the Rockets at the same time at one point? Lin got waived only to be picked up by the Knicks. Morey then traded Lowry and Dragic in order to sign Lin, who was coming off Linsanity.

[Smook A.]

What? lol lol lo lo lol lol oh

It's entirely the opposite actually. Morey was the first one who saw the potential in Dragic and especially Lowry. He knew they were good PGs. He always does. That's what makes him one of the greatest GMs ever. Quite the slip up there Smook. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you. :D

@OP

I'd take Conley. Lowry is slightly a better player but he has a shitty attitude. So Conley is my choice.
I guess, but I don't think any of us knew that Dragic was one day going to become a 20 ppg scorer. I surely didn't, haha. I honestly thought he'd average something like 16 ppg/6 apg in his prime. Lowry kinda shocked me too with the numbers he put up with Toronto last season. I knew those guys were gonna be good players but not this good. That's what I meant.


Lowrys defense isnt on the same level..............being aggressive on defense doesnt mean youre good......
Lowry's defense may not be on the same level as Conley's, but he's still a great overall defender. He has great hustle. Dives on the floor for the ball, rebounds great for a PG, and on top of all that he plays some really good man-to-man d. Dude's a bulldog on defense.

[Done_And_Done]

Lowry is a better scorer, Conley is a better leader of the team and fit in terms of the Grizz roster. Both players have improved their game a lot over the last few seasons and as others have said it would have been a win win either way.

Before Conley Grizzlies had never won a playoff game, now they have won multiple playoff games and series including beating teams like Clippers, Thunder and Spurs in the playoffs. They are currently #1 record in the league. No one knows what would have happened if it was Lowry in that position. That is something that is different from personal stats.

I would contend that Lowry is equally adept in the leadership department. Anyone who follows the Raps will tell you that he's the guy who makes this team go.

[All Net]

Are both in the top 5-6 PG's so far then?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Are both in the top 5-6 PG's so far then?
Yes.

[TaLvsCuaL]

I don't like this kind of comparisons, both players are pretty good and fit perfectly in their respective teams. I really happy for both, and I really like both teams. Hopefully they keep it up all season.

[bingoa]

Lowry. Conley is an underrated choker.


It's a tossup skillwise and in terms of what they bring to a team but I'd rather have the guy who doesn't choke

[MMM]

conley does everything better but score and that isn't that far off. I don't really value scoring from smaller players anyways and rather that larger skilled players played that role on a team.

[Bird]

Are both in the top 5-6 PG's so far then?

Maybe fighting for one of the last spots.

I'd take Curry, Paul, Wall, Westbrook, Dame and Kyrie over both of them. So they are fighting for the 7th/8th spots. And you could maybe argue Lawson in their grouping, if only because he is relied on more by Denver than Lowry or Conley are on their respective teams.

I'm not sure I could pick one over the other and would love to have either one of those guys running point for the Mavericks.

[brandonislegend]

conley does everything better but score and that isn't that far off. I don't really value scoring from smaller players anyways and rather that larger skilled players played that role on a team.
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[MMM]

:biggums:

what do you disagree with???

Conley is a better defender and better in running the pg position. Lowry is a better scorer but the gap there isn't much.

How well did it work out for the Raps last year depending on a 6;3 guard to get a basket in traffic over length. Ideally scoring is more valuable from bigger skilled players.

[buddha]

Amazing they had both

Big fan of both guys.

what's more amazing is that houston had Dragic and Lowry and chose Jeremy Lin.

[MMM]

what's more amazing is that houston had Dragic and Lowry and chose Jeremy Lin.

:roll:

[brantonli]

At the time, we didn't know that Dragic and Lowry were going to turn out to be this good.

Disagree, Dragic we really didn't know he could keep this up at a high level, but Lowey was a stud when he was with the Rockets. I was disappointed to hear Lowry had been traded, but most importantly, Lowry had netted us Haden (via the protected pick Toronto gave us), so I'd say Lowry was worth losing. Dragic at the time wasn't seen as worth the player option.