Cleveland police officer shoots 12-year-old boy carrying BB gun

[sirkeelma]

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A rookie Cleveland police officer shot a 12-year-old boy outside a city recreation center late Saturday afternoon after the boy pulled a BB gun from his waistband, police said.

Police were responding to reports of a male with a gun outside Cudell Recreation Center at Detroit Avenue and West Boulevard about 3:30 p.m., Deputy Chief of Field Operations Ed Tomba said.

A rookie officer and a 10-15 year veteran pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. The rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer said.

The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.

Tomba said the child did not threaten the officer verbally or physically.

At least one of the shots hit the child in the stomach. He was rushed to MetroHealth Medical Center in serious condition. His current condition was not immediately known.

As a handful of community activists shouted obscenities from behind a group of reporters, Tomba said the incident was "very, very tragic."

"We don't come to work everyday and want to use force on anybody," Tomba said. "That's not what our job is. We're part of this community."

The department's use of deadly force investigation team, made up of officers from the homicide and internal affairs units, members of the city's Office of Professional Standards and the city and Cuyahoga County prosecutors office, will determine if the officer was justified in shooting the boy.

Tomba promised the investigation would be open.

"When an officer gives a command, we expect it to be followed," Tomba said. "The way it looks like right now, it wasn't followed, but we're going to continue our investigation."

The shooting comes as the U.S. Department of Justice is investigating the department to determine if it regularly uses excessive force against its citizens.

Northeast Ohio Media Group will continue to update this story.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_police_officer_shoot_6.html

Problem is there are enough crazy 12 year olds with worthless parents out there that would allow them to be thugs and carry the real thing. Tough for a cop to know if it's real or fake especially if he is not following commands. Can't blame the cop.

[dunksby]

His TO is gonna be in a big hole because of this although it's a tricky situation. A 12-year old is strong enough to aim steadily and squeeze the trigger so when he goes for his waistband there is not much you can do.

[cuad]

The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. Instead, the boy reached into his waistband and pulled out the gun.

What a stupid kid. Hope he dies.

[oh the horror]

Yeah this is just a crummy situation. Kid reached into his waistband after the officer gives the command. What else can the officer do here?

[Bandito]

I would've done the same thing. Kids are crazy these days.

[TheMan]

They don't mention any of the involved parties race...gon' get ugly if it's a white cop/black kid situation. Cop was in a shitty spot, kids are capable of some horrible shit nowadays :(

[TheMan]

What a stupid kid. Hope he dies.
:biggums:

Da fuq is wrong with you, kid is 12 and it was a BB gun and he wasn't doing anything wrong unless BB guns are know considered deadly weapons :facepalm

[STATUTORY]

:biggums:

Da fuq is wrong with you, kid is 12 and it was a BB gun and he wasn't doing anything wrong unless BB guns are know considered deadly weapons :facepalm

:facepalm

[Asukal]

:biggums:

Da fuq is wrong with you, kid is 12 and it was a BB gun and he wasn't doing anything wrong unless BB guns are know considered deadly weapons :facepalm

I don't know who is more stupid, the kid or you. :facepalm

[PistonsFan#21]

What a stupid kid. Hope he dies.

most 12 year old kids are stupid and immature. Doesnt mean they deserve to die over a dumb mistake they made.

He was probably playing out a movie he seen on TV with his fake BB gun and real life cops and dint know his life was in danger

[PleezeBelieve]

Of course the kid put his hand to his waistband :rolleyes:

Why didn't the other officer fire? I'm assuming he was right there as well.

[PleezeBelieve]

Kid has died

Caller who phoned 911 told dispatcher the gun was "probably" fake

Caller also said the kid was clearly a juvenile

Dispatcher never told the cops any of this

Again, why didn't the other cop fire???

This is about to be another huge story once the races of those involved are released

[Akrazotile]

They don't mention any of the involved parties race...

Then it probably isnt:



a white cop/black kid situation.

[ace23]

Why is this news

[Kblaze8855]

This one....you can kinda understand. Ive seen plenty of BB guns that just look like guns. They make them that way on purpose. Not like all BB guns are bright pink and toy like.

[CelticBaller]

:biggums:

Da fuq is wrong with you, kid is 12 and it was a BB gun and he wasn't doing anything wrong unless BB guns are know considered deadly weapons :facepalm
the kid is 12, he should know better than to pull anything that resembles a gun at an armed officer

[PleezeBelieve]

He didn't pull the gun out. Cop said the kid "reached" for it

[ace23]

He didn't pull the gun out. Cop said the kid "reached" for it

The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.
..

[blablabla]

The kid is stupid but why does the officer have to fire twice ? He is not a 12 year old terminator one non fatal shot would have been enough to stop him

[PleezeBelieve]

..
You're wrong. Cop shot the kid as he "reached" for the BB gun. Find a more current article

[BrooklynZoo]

as long as the story is correct, i dont see this being much of a controversy at all.

the rookie cop killing the dude in the brooklyn stairway, that could be another story..

[Overdrive]

Had to check what a BB gun is. They call it soft guns here and most of the times they're replicas of real guns or even made by brands like Glock or Walther.

If I'm a cop and someone pulls that on me I'll surely shoot and I'm totally against shooting/guns in the first place, but that just leaves no choice.

[PleezeBelieve]

as long as the story is correct, i dont see this being much of a controversy at all.

the rookie cop killing the dude in the brooklyn stairway, that could be another story..
The story posted is not accurate. The cop shot the kid as he "reached" for the BB gun. Again, that's what the cop said.

The kid did not pull the gun out and point to the cops. He was no physical or verbal threat to the cops.

[BrooklynZoo]

The story posted is not accurate. The cop shot the kid as he "reached" for the BB gun. Again, that's what the cop said.

The kid did not pull the gun out and point to the cops. He was no physical or verbal threat to the cops.


ehhh, i guess youre supposed to wait until he points it at you?

[Overdrive]

The story posted is not accurate. The cop shot the kid as he "reached" for the BB gun. Again, that's what the cop said.

The kid did not pull the gun out and point to the cops. He was no physical or verbal threat to the cops.

If correct I wonder why people can't simply communicate. If the cop tells me to raise my hands I'll do and tell him it's a bb gun. Maybe he tried to show it to him, but that's still stupid.

[MavsSuperFan]

:biggums:

Da fuq is wrong with you, kid is 12 and it was a BB gun and he wasn't doing anything wrong unless BB guns are know considered deadly weapons :facepalm
Depending how realistic the bb gun looked, there might not have been a way the cop could tell it was a bb gun

Further: "hands up!!" does not equal reach for a bb gun

Hopefully dumb kid is white so everyone can evaluate the situation on its actual merits and not racial biases

[PleezeBelieve]

Depending how realistic the bb gun looked, there might not have been away the cop could tell it was a bb gun

Further: "hands up!!" does not equal reach for a bb gun
The kid is 12....

Hands up may mean a variety of things to the kid, meaning he wanted to show the cop it was a BB gun.

Are you people dense?

[MavsSuperFan]

The kid is 12....

Hands up may mean a variety of things to the kid, meaning he wanted to show the cop it was a BB gun.

Are you people dense?
Look

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41319000/jpg/_41319297_bb_gun.jpg
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/122p817gunmag1.jpg

bb guns can look super realistic especially at a distance.

If I was a cop and thought I was responding to a call of some male with a gun and I saw a 12 year old, with a realistic looking bb gun, yes I would be surprised that a 12 year old would have a gun, but I would not assume it was a bb gun

Kids younger than 12 have killed before.

[dunksby]

The kid is stupid but why does the officer have to fire twice ? He is not a 12 year old terminator one non fatal shot would have been enough to stop him
Well to his defense he is a rookie.

[ace23]

You're wrong. Cop shot the kid as he "reached" for the BB gun. Find a more current article
I'm not wrong about anything. I quoted the article, nothing else.

The article is from last night btw

[32jazz]

Of course the kid put his hand to his waistband :rolleyes:

Why didn't the other officer fire? I'm assuming he was right there as well.


It is a frightening thought how many people take a Cops explanation as Gospel. End story. Kid Stupid. Deserves death.


We've never caught a Cop lying about someone 'reaching into his waistband' or 'trying to take my gun'?


Cameras would help solve much of this(not all of course) .

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

The fact that the article says this:


As a handful of community activists shouted obscenities from behind a group of reporters...

makes me think it was a black kid. This is prob gonna blow up and the cop will immediately become guilty in the public eye without evidence.
I have to wonder why the group of ppl the kid was with let him walk away with the gun. What a bunch of assholes. All of this could've been prevented. Cop shouldn't have been trigger happy, but idk the exact details of the interaction; group of assholes shouldn't have been playing with a BB gun in public; etc.

[LJJ]

Look

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41319000/jpg/_41319297_bb_gun.jpg
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/122p817gunmag1.jpg

bb guns can look super realistic especially at a distance.

If I was a cop and thought I was responding to a call of some male with a gun and I saw a 12 year old, with a realistic looking bb gun, yes I would be surprised that a 12 year old would have a gun, but I would not assume it was a bb gun

Kids younger than 12 have killed before.

BB guns can look indistinguishable from a real gun even from close up. The one you posted isn't even that good, this is a bb gun too:

http://i.imgur.com/faGF0Xi.jpg




Anyway, this just seems like a bad accident for everybody involved.

[jstern]

Sucks that he died, but out of the thousands of people who have died today, that I'll never know who they are, I see his death as less of a tragedy. It is what is. If anything he was a Darwin award winner, assuming that he wasn't actually trying to get himself killed.

I know people like to think of 12 years old as being innocent flower children from the 50s, and talk about how unbelievably innocent this kid was, but at that age most people have better sense than that.

[dude77]

The kid is stupid but why does the officer have to fire twice ? He is not a 12 year old terminator one non fatal shot would have been enough to stop him

:facepalm not this shit again lol .. let me guess .. he should've aimed one single perfectly placed shot on the center of his kneecap

another kid failed by his parents

[sirkeelma]

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/1416718384081_Image_galleryImage_Police_determined _that_a__zps897d4f9b.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/1416718384081_Image_galleryImage_Police_determined _that_a__zps897d4f9b.jpg.html)

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/cleveland-police-officer-shoots-12-year-old-boy-04600e4e02eb25eb_zps111bed3f.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/cleveland-police-officer-shoots-12-year-old-boy-04600e4e02eb25eb_zps111bed3f.jpg.html)

Actual gun used by the kid.

[sirkeelma]

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/635523569159147332-Tamir_zps6c6eafbd.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/635523569159147332-Tamir_zps6c6eafbd.jpg.html)

Tamir E. Rice

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/1416718108122_Image_galleryImage_Cleveland_Police_ are_inve_zps46afd2b1.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/1416718108122_Image_galleryImage_Cleveland_Police_ are_inve_zps46afd2b1.jpg.html)

Poor kid.

[gts]

I know he's only 12 but damn... how stupid can you be

[TheMan]

Let me take a wild guess...the cop is white, right?

[zoom17]

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/1416718384081_Image_galleryImage_Police_determined _that_a__zps897d4f9b.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/1416718384081_Image_galleryImage_Police_determined _that_a__zps897d4f9b.jpg.html)

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/cleveland-police-officer-shoots-12-year-old-boy-04600e4e02eb25eb_zps111bed3f.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/cleveland-police-officer-shoots-12-year-old-boy-04600e4e02eb25eb_zps111bed3f.jpg.html)

Actual gun used by the kid.

That looks more realistic than the other pics posted in this thread.

[jstern]

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/635523569159147332-Tamir_zps6c6eafbd.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/635523569159147332-Tamir_zps6c6eafbd.jpg.html)

Tamir E. Rice

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/1416718108122_Image_galleryImage_Cleveland_Police_ are_inve_zps46afd2b1.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/1416718108122_Image_galleryImage_Cleveland_Police_ are_inve_zps46afd2b1.jpg.html)

Poor kid.

The last picture is not the kid, it's a distraught family member.

[Akrazotile]

The last picture is not the kid, it's a distraught family member.


Why do ghetto peeps always put on the most over the top and obnoxious shows of grief. Its like theyre more concerned with wailing and hollering as loud and visibly as they can than actually being affected by the incident. Everything is always so over the top and obnoxious.

AHHHHH MY BABY MY BABY AHHHHHHHH *flailing arms around, looking for any nearby cameras* AWWWWWWWW MY BABY LOOK HOW THEY DID MY BABY [Sharpton swoops in to comfort and blame white people].


So tired of this shit. Not only do they make regular black folks look bad but they cause a lot of normal well meaning white people to get in trouble for calling out all the shitty ways their absurdity affects society. They get in trouble, annoy the fvck out of everyone, and then if you criticize it youre the bad guy.

So sick of this shit. These people need to fkking go. Send them to an island somewhere.

[jstern]

Why do ghetto peeps always put on the most over the top and obnoxious shows of grief. Its like theyre more concerned with wailing and hollering as loud and visibly as they can than actually being affected by the incident. Everything is always so over the top and obnoxious.

AHHHHH MY BABY MY BABY AHHHHHHHH *flailing arms around, looking for any nearby cameras* AWWWWWWWW MY BABY LOOK HOW THEY DID MY BABY [Sharpton swoops in to comfort and blame white people].


So tired of this shit. Not only do they make regular black folks look bad but they cause a lot of normal well meaning white people to get in trouble for calling out all the shitty ways their absurdity affects society. They get in trouble, annoy the fvck out of everyone, and then if you criticize it youre the bad guy.

So sick of this shit. These people need to fkking go. Send them to an island somewhere.

What the hell? Such a long rant just because a little 12 year old girl got on the ground for 2 seconds crying? Absolutely no compassion for people who just lost a loved one. Rather than noticing that pain that those individuals are going through, you're using that opportunity to be outraged over something that doesn't affect your life one bit?

You would make a great Nazi.

If you get so angry over the way you view entire groups of people, then don't read or look stories on the internet about those groups of people. It's adding no value to your life other than getting you irritated, and you're just one person and nobody should submit to the way you think they should be.

Judging by your personality, you would make a great and loyal ISIS member IF YOU WERE BORN IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD. You would fit in perfectly with that mentality of getting rid of those who don't follow whatever beliefs you were brainwashed to believe.

[Random_Guy]

lol that can is real as **** lol

[iamgine]

Officer should've emptied his clip on the kid.

[DukeDelonte13]

Why do ghetto peeps always put on the most over the top and obnoxious shows of grief. Its like theyre more concerned with wailing and hollering as loud and visibly as they can than actually being affected by the incident. Everything is always so over the top and obnoxious.

AHHHHH MY BABY MY BABY AHHHHHHHH *flailing arms around, looking for any nearby cameras* AWWWWWWWW MY BABY LOOK HOW THEY DID MY BABY [Sharpton swoops in to comfort and blame white people].


So tired of this shit. Not only do they make regular black folks look bad but they cause a lot of normal well meaning white people to get in trouble for calling out all the shitty ways their absurdity affects society. They get in trouble, annoy the fvck out of everyone, and then if you criticize it youre the bad guy.

So sick of this shit. These people need to fkking go. Send them to an island somewhere.

i wonder how you would feel if you lost a child.

[brownmamba00]

Why do ghetto peeps always put on the most over the top and obnoxious shows of grief. Its like theyre more concerned with wailing and hollering as loud and visibly as they can than actually being affected by the incident. Everything is always so over the top and obnoxious.

AHHHHH MY BABY MY BABY AHHHHHHHH *flailing arms around, looking for any nearby cameras* AWWWWWWWW MY BABY LOOK HOW THEY DID MY BABY [Sharpton swoops in to comfort and blame white people].


So tired of this shit. Not only do they make regular black folks look bad but they cause a lot of normal well meaning white people to get in trouble for calling out all the shitty ways their absurdity affects society. They get in trouble, annoy the fvck out of everyone, and then if you criticize it youre the bad guy.

So sick of this shit. These people need to fkking go. Send them to an island somewhere.
what a dumbass

you should look into other cultures how they mourn their loss...a lot worse than the shit you just wrote.

but ofc white ppl have no emotions/lack empathy.

I feel bad for the kid he was probably just emulating a scene in a movie or smth...just 12 years old but can't blame the cop neither lot of crazy 12yo's out there tbh.

did he really have to shoot him dead tho couldn't the cop just aim at his arms or legs? Or fire in the air get the kid scared he's just 12 years old ffs but idk just a messed up situation

[PleezeBelieve]

:roll: @ you people believing everything the cop said as truth.

AGAIN, WHY DIDNT THE OTHER COP SHOOT??

Rookie shoots. Veteran cop probably didn't even have his gun out. :rolleyes:

The kid got shot for having a BB gun and you mofos dont see the travesty in that.

There was no threat at all. The person who called in was a 3rd party bystander, being noisy while kids play with each other.

It's not illegal having a BB gun as a 12 year old. Leave to this place to find blame on a scared 6th traded being killed by a scared grown man who is paid to protect the very person he shot.

Ridiculous. There was no crime here by the 12 year old.

[32jazz]

what a dumbass

you should look into other cultures how they mourn their loss...a lot worse than the shit you just wrote.

but ofc white ppl have no emotions/lack empathy.

I feel bad for the kid he was probably just emulating a scene in a movie or smth...just 12 years old but can't blame the cop neither lot of crazy 12yo's out there tbh.

did he really have to shoot him dead tho couldn't the cop just aim at his arms or legs? Or fire in the air get the kid scared he's just 12 years old ffs but idk just a messed up situation


Obviously he didn't see (or ignored) dozens of Chinese families of Malaysian flight 370(?) & the hysterical outbursts of grief which required hospitalizations , violent attacks of government & Airline officials & threats of mass suicides.

Had poor families from the South Side of Chicago had conducted themselves in such a manner these same type of idiots would have spewed their nonsense over the internet.


Not that I'm judging Chinese(Asian) manner of grieving (I've seen the same type of open grief by South Koreans) , but pointing out guys like this waiting for the most miniscule of things about poor minorities in this country to pounce on.

[Godzuki]

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/635523569159147332-Tamir_zps6c6eafbd.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/635523569159147332-Tamir_zps6c6eafbd.jpg.html)

Tamir E. Rice

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a558/sirkee318/1416718108122_Image_galleryImage_Cleveland_Police_ are_inve_zps46afd2b1.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/sirkee318/media/1416718108122_Image_galleryImage_Cleveland_Police_ are_inve_zps46afd2b1.jpg.html)

Poor kid.

kid looked like a future thug aka Mike Brown wannabe...

normal kids aren't sitting on playgrounds waving a gun at people. bb gun or not. but of course the politically correct fgts of our society who want to blame everyone else but the dumbass will make this a big racial issue. fukkin PC fgts :rolleyes:

[ace23]

kid looked like a future thug aka Mike Brown wannabe...

aka black person

[ihoopallday]

ehhh, i guess youre supposed to wait until he points it at you?

:lol Can you believe that's what we have to do on deployments. Civilians there can be walking right next to us with an AK47 and we can't do a damn thing unless they point it at us. I agree with the rules of engagement for the police here.

[dude77]

:roll: @ you people believing everything the cop said as truth.

AGAIN, WHY DIDNT THE OTHER COP SHOOT??

Rookie shoots. Veteran cop probably didn't even have his gun out. :rolleyes:

The kid got shot for having a BB gun and you mofos dont see the travesty in that.

There was no threat at all. The person who called in was a 3rd party bystander, being noisy while kids play with each other.

It's not illegal having a BB gun as a 12 year old. Leave to this place to find blame on a scared 6th traded being killed by a scared grown man who is paid to protect the very person he shot.

Ridiculous. There was no crime here by the 12 year old.

12 yr old thugs can shoot you too .. not saying he was a thug, but you can't expect the police to automatically think he's an innocent little boy .. especially when he sees him with a gun .. his parents failed him ..

this is just common sense .. why are you carrying a bb gun there ? and you're a little 12 yr old kid .. there was absolutely no need for him to be carrying a gun in that setting .. darwin award winner .. parents failed him

[MavsSuperFan]

:roll: @ you people believing everything the cop said as truth.

AGAIN, WHY DIDNT THE OTHER COP SHOOT??

Rookie shoots. Veteran cop probably didn't even have his gun out. :rolleyes:

The kid got shot for having a BB gun and you mofos dont see the travesty in that.

There was no threat at all. The person who called in was a 3rd party bystander, being noisy while kids play with each other.

It's not illegal having a BB gun as a 12 year old. Leave to this place to find blame on a scared 6th traded being killed by a scared grown man who is paid to protect the very person he shot.

Ridiculous. There was no crime here by the 12 year old.

Its often impossible at a distance to distinguish between a bb gun and a real gun

I dont think anyone is saying the 12 year old committed a crime. Just that if the cops story cant be disproven I dont see how he can be prosecuted. and if his story is true he behaved reasonably imo

Its tragic this kid died. but if a cop says "hands up!!" and you reach for something that looks like a gun, you are going to get shot.

[gts]

video

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_police_officer_shot_1.html

[ThePhantomCreep]

Why do ghetto peeps always put on the most over the top and obnoxious shows of grief. Its like theyre more concerned with wailing and hollering as loud and visibly as they can than actually being affected by the incident. Everything is always so over the top and obnoxious.

AHHHHH MY BABY MY BABY AHHHHHHHH *flailing arms around, looking for any nearby cameras* AWWWWWWWW MY BABY LOOK HOW THEY DID MY BABY [Sharpton swoops in to comfort and blame white people].


So tired of this shit. Not only do they make regular black folks look bad but they cause a lot of normal well meaning white people to get in trouble for calling out all the shitty ways their absurdity affects society. They get in trouble, annoy the fvck out of everyone, and then if you criticize it youre the bad guy.

So sick of this shit. These people need to fkking go. Send them to an island somewhere.

It's called human emotion, you heartless mother******.

[oh the horror]

kid looked like a future thug aka Mike Brown wannabe...

normal kids aren't sitting on playgrounds waving a gun at people. bb gun or not. but of course the politically correct fgts of our society who want to blame everyone else but the dumbass will make this a big racial issue. fukkin PC fgts :rolleyes:



Bro at this point you need therapy because you strike me as the type of person to go on a shooting spree. You are one silly f*cking human being.

[ace23]

Just saw the video. Went down a little differently than I expected. They just pulled up and popped his ass. :lol

[Godzuki]

Bro at this point you need therapy because you strike me as the type of person to go on a shooting spree. You are one silly f*cking human being.


says the racist defending waving guns at random people :applause:

[dude77]

that's a shitty ass video .. choppy .. you can barely see what's going on

[ThePhantomCreep]

kid looked like a future thug aka Mike Brown wannabe...

normal kids aren't sitting on playgrounds waving a gun at people. bb gun or not. but of course the politically correct fgts of our society who want to blame everyone else but the dumbass will make this a big racial issue. fukkin PC fgts :rolleyes:You really want all black people dead, don't you? Admit it.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bro at this point you need therapy because you strike me as the type of person to go on a shooting spree. You are one silly f*cking human being.

This place is worse than St0rmfront. At least they're openly racist--they don't mask it with BS rationalizations. A 12-year old is shot dead for holding a BB gun. There's only one storyline here--the monumental screw-up by that police officer. Not this crap being spewed by these psychopaths, blaming a child for his death. They want you to believe the boy looked like this on the playground :http://crustula.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/token-ceasar2.jpg

[Godzuki]

You really want all black people dead, don't you? Admit it.


you really want all non blacks beat up and their business's burned down, dont u? Admit it.

[Godzuki]

This place is worse than St0rmfront. At least they're openly racist--they don't mask it with BS rationalizations. A 12-year old is shot dead for holding a BB gun. There's only one storyline here--the monumental screw-up by thst police officer. Not this crap being spewed by these psychopaths, blaming a child for his death. They want you to believe this boy looked like this on the playground :http://crustula.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/token-ceasar2.jpg

funny how the same people here can only see things in their own simple minded, distorted ways~

sure he was shot dead for just holding a bb gun :rolleyes:

so many mf'ers here with retard agendas.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Yo what the **** that video isn't even remotely close to the officer's story

[Godzuki]

i love how people call this sorry mf'er a kid :facepalm

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

that looks like a wannabe gangsta to me. definitely not some adolescent in a sandbox just messing around with a toy gun like how u agenda bitches portray it.

and i love how the bias PC media tries to portray it like its the dispatchers fault for not telling the cops the witness said its maybe fake...like he knew it was or wasn't. i swear society is fukkin dumb :facepalm

another future thug taken out :cheers:

[97 bulls]

that's a shitty ass video .. choppy .. you can barely see what's going on
Lol. WhaT? They pull up, the passenger side officer gets out, and shoots him.

[97 bulls]

What frustrates me most is this shoot first ask later theme when it comesnto black males. Trayvon Martin, that guy in Walmart, that guy in the service station, now this. And theyre all mistakes that took innocent lives.

[97 bulls]

i love how people call this sorry mf'er a kid :facepalm

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

that looks like a wannabe gangsta to me. definitely not some adolescent in a sandbox just messing around with a toy gun like how u agenda bitches portray it.

and i love how the bias PC media tries to portray it like its the dispatchers fault for not telling the cops the witness said its maybe fake...like he knew it was or wasn't. i swear society is fukkin dumb :facepalm

another future thug taken out :cheers:
You're a terribly pathetic person. The person being interviewed said the shooting officer demanded the kid show his hands and then drop his weapon. A conflicting report because they said he reached into his waist which would mean the gun wasn't in his hand. Not to mention if they did demand he drop his weapon, that would mean he would have to reach to get it.

[CavaliersFTW]

that's a shitty ass video .. choppy .. you can barely see what's going on
I can see police shooting a child without hesitation

[oh the horror]

They ordered him to drop the weapon, in which he then reached for it in his trousers?


Wha?

[KyrieTheFuture]

From the time they pulled up there literally wasn't even enough time to tell him to drop it they just shot

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I listened to the 911 call, and then the dispatch call in addition to that police footage, which can all be seen/heard in the link I posted.

At first it looks like the police overreacted but given the 911 call and the dispatch call I think the blame here falls entirely on the dispatcher. She completely failed to relay the 911 callers CRITICAL detail that the gun was "probably fake" which he states not just once, but twice. She just proceeds to describe the person as a black male brandishing a gun. Not a "probably-fake" gun. :facepalm IMO That changes things entirely and she should not only lose her job but be tried for negligence or involuntary manslaughter or w/e could be thrown at her. That is not a detail you ommit, that is completely unacceptable the way I see it.

[oh the horror]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I listened to the 911 call, and then the dispatch call in addition to that police footage, which can all be seen/heard in the link I posted.

At first it looks like the police overreacted but given the 911 call and the dispatch call I think the blame here falls entirely on the dispatcher. She completely failed to relay the 911 callers CRITICAL detail that the gun was "probably fake" which he states not just once, but twice. She just proceeds to describe the person as a black male brandishing a gun. Not a "probably-fake" gun. :facepalm IMO That changes things entirely and she should not only lose her job but be tried for negligence or involuntary manslaughter or w/e could be thrown at her. That is not a detail you ommit, that is completely unacceptable the way I see it.



Agreed. The way she worded it sounded menacing as hell.



"Probably fake" changes the approach to the boy completely.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Wait, I can't take a listen now, did the caller say it was a child and the dispatcher didn't even say THAT either?

[CavaliersFTW]

Wait, I can't take a listen now, did the caller say it was a child and the dispatcher didn't even say THAT either?
He didn't say that, I'm not sure he could tell, but he also made quite a bit of emphasis that the gun was probably fake. She COMPLETELY omitted that. She just described to the police that a black man was pointing a gun at people. As another poster just pointed out, she made the person (who we now know was just a 12 year old) sound menacing as hell, particularly by comparison to the caller. She should have asked the caller for more details, if he could guess how old the person was etc. She did not. She just dispatched police to respond to a black "man" pointing a gun at people.

[97 bulls]

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/tamir_rice_12-year-old_boy_sho.html#incart_related_stories

The kid had no record.

[KyrieTheFuture]

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/tamir_rice_12-year-old_boy_sho.html#incart_related_stories

The kid had no record.
Why would that matter? Not like the cops had time to look up who he was. And CAVS, not as bad as I thought, but still horrendous job on the part of the dispatcher.

[oh the horror]

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/tamir_rice_12-year-old_boy_sho.html#incart_related_stories

The kid had no record.




Well they'll have a hell of a time shitting on his character then.



Rookie cop screwed up here.

[97 bulls]

Why would that matter? Not like the cops had time to look up who he was. And CAVS, not as bad as I thought, but still horrendous job on the part of the dispatcher.
I was directing this to the morons who are implying he was a thug

[nathanjizzle]

not only do they some bb guns look real, they operate and sound very real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWJpZfEgrkY

[KyrieTheFuture]

I was directing this to the morons who are implying he was a thug
Mah b :cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

If I was walking in that park and that little kid was pointing that gun at me, I would've cold-cocked that little shit.

Sucks that he had to die for his ignorance, but it's the parents that are ultimately responsible.

[dude77]

yeah we see him shoot him in the video .. but that shit is worse than 240p .. I can barely make out what's going on in between their arrival and the shooting .. plus it's choppy and cuts .. maybe edited I don't know

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

There was no hesitation in the cop's shot. He steps out of the car and immediately shoots the kid dead.

Wow.. what a fcked situation. This is what people need to be outraged about, not some thug in Ferguson getting gunned down.

Video in link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/26/officials-release-video-names-in-fatal-police-shooting-of-12-year-old-cleveland-boy/?tid=pm_national_pop)

[97 bulls]

There was no hesitation in the cop's shot. He steps out of the car and immediately shoots the kid dead.

Wow.. what a fcked situation. This is what people need to be outraged about, not some thug in Ferguson getting gunned down.

Video in link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/26/officials-release-video-names-in-fatal-police-shooting-of-12-year-old-cleveland-boy/?tid=pm_national_pop)
Honestly? It's not just the Brown case. The Brown case was the final straw. Similar to the 92 riots. It wasn't just Rodney King. It was a pattern that we continued to complain about with no results.

[christian1923]

That cop shot him like it was a GTA mission... Sheesh.. Do these guys not know how to aim at a leg or anything non fatal :coleman:

[VeeCee15]

Kid was stupid.

But he did not deserve to die.

Don't know how else the police were supposed to act though given the circumstances.

Maybe there is a flaw in the way police are trained. The kid got shot like 2 seconds after they got out of the car...he was probably startled didn't know how to respond.

Unfortunate.

Also, Why does this CRAP mostly only happen in the USA? There's an underlying problem

[CavaliersFTW]

There was no hesitation in the cop's shot. He steps out of the car and immediately shoots the kid dead.

Wow.. what a fcked situation. This is what people need to be outraged about, not some thug in Ferguson getting gunned down.

Video in link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/26/officials-release-video-names-in-fatal-police-shooting-of-12-year-old-cleveland-boy/?tid=pm_national_pop)
Again, dispatchers fault IMO. She failed to ask the caller if he had any idea how old the individual was (to inquire if it was a kid or an adult which would make sense to do after being told twice the gun was "probably fake") and then failed to relay that absolutely critical detail that the gun was "probably fake" (which again, the caller repeated twice) to the police when she dispatched them. All she told the police unit was that a black guy was pulling a gun out of his pants at that location and pointing it at people. So as soon as that kid reached for it they shot him, that's why they pulled up so quick, that's why they shot so quick, she made what turned out to be a kid with a bb gun sound menacing as hell in the dispatch call before the police even arrived.

[Dresta]

Probably a mistake to roll up so close as people can do foolish things in an irrational moment of panic, and you're gonna feel more at risk that close.

Just completely pointless and avoidable, at both ends :facepalm

[GOBB]

Rookie cop says it all. That dispatcher is really one who dropped the ball. Situation would've ended differently I think had she gave better details to the arriving cops. Driving into a situation where you are told a guy has a gun has you on edge. I wonder what did the kid say when they pulled up on him so fast. Did he reach for it to show it was fake? Did he say anything? Sucky situation, one I can't fully put blame on cops here. Wish that old head who called the cops sitting behind the boy would have just confronted the kid. Told him to chill, put it away or even broke down a situation explaining he could get hurt having people think it was real. You're going to sit there, mind your business and drink tea I guess. Flip side, kid probably tells him to f*ck off. Communication between people is lacking and that disconnect with community and cops is too wide.

[GOBB]

What frustrates me most is this shoot first ask later theme when it comesnto black males. Trayvon Martin, that guy in Walmart, that guy in the service station, now this. And theyre all mistakes that took innocent lives.

Yeah

[HomieWeMajor]

The cops discussing what they're gonna do on the way to the scene: http://youtu.be/qhbrAkY_58s?t=7s

[32jazz]

Rookie cop says it all. That dispatcher is really one who dropped the ball. Situation would've ended differently I think had she gave better details to the arriving cops. Driving into a situation where you are told a guy has a gun has you on edge. I wonder what did the kid say when they pulled up on him so fast. Did he reach for it to show it was fake? Did he say anything? Sucky situation, one I can't fully put blame on cops here. Wish that old head who called the cops sitting behind the boy would have just confronted the kid. Told him to chill, put it away or even broke down a situation explaining he could get hurt having people think it was real. You're going to sit there, mind your business and drink tea I guess. Flip side, kid probably tells him to f*ck off. Communication between people is lacking and that disconnect with community and cops is too wide.


Great observation. And did you notice all of the supposed 'scared' people the caller claimed & no one else called 911?

A person walks within 3 feet of the kid ,but doesn't feel threatened, run away , cower in fear nor plead for the 12 year old to not kill him,etc..... Because they obviously see its a kid playing with a toy gun & not some menacing shooter.

[MadeFromDust]

Probably a mistake to roll up so close as people can do foolish things in an irrational moment of panic, and you're gonna feel more at risk that close.

Just completely pointless and avoidable, at both ends :facepalm
Kid just being a kid, who just happened to get a hold of a bb gun that looked real, so he was enjoying the power that seemed to have on the people around him, i.e. fear.

Dispatcher fkkt up or even worse, PURPOSELY left out that it was a kid with a fake gun

Cop driver fkkd up coming in so close and fast

Rookie pig fkkt up shooting a kid dead so quick out of "fear for his life" :rolleyes:

[RidonKs]

What the hell? Such a long rant just because a little 12 year old girl got on the ground for 2 seconds crying? Absolutely no compassion for people who just lost a loved one. Rather than noticing that pain that those individuals are going through, you're using that opportunity to be outraged over something that doesn't affect your life one bit?

You would make a great Nazi.
:lol

[Joshumitsu]

All the Ferguson protesting and facebook posting is BS stirred up by social justice warriors and the media.

This is actually what people should be protesting.

Kid was stupid to hold a fake gun but there's no reason police should drive up that close to make life threatening split second decisions like that.

Then, they have the nerve to describe the scene in such a way so as to differentiate from the video evidence.

I'm no cop hater but this is further proof that too many guys on the force have a shoot first type mentality.

[Godzuki]

Great observation. And did you notice all of the supposed 'scared' people the caller claimed & no one else called 911?

A person walks within 3 feet of the kid ,but doesn't feel threatened, run away , cower in fear nor plead for the 12 year old to not kill him,etc..... Because they obviously see its a kid playing with a toy gun & not some menacing shooter.


damn most of u are retard bias here. the caller had ZERO idea if it was real or not, he wasn't definitive AT ALL, he guessed it might be fake, which doesn't presume its fake like you all are running with :facepalm

its unbelievable how the media and people here can't figure that out, and needs to be explaiined when its obvious when someone says "it could be fake, who knows?" doesn't mean its definitively fake.

other thing i love how people gloss over with this just like Mike Brown glossing over robbing the convenience store, is how this kid was acting like some thug pacing around, aiming it at the caller with both hands, pointing it randomly as a stranger walking by, and then so many mf'ers pretend none of that ever happened and only focused on him being a 'kid'....so many people never keep shit real when it comes to black people getting shot or arrested. always cop blaming or somoeone else BUT never the black guys fault. of course not, black people never committ crimes its always racism :rolleyes:

this kid, and i hesitate to call him a kid like the apologists act by the way they talk giving the illusion its some kid who is playing in a sandbox and randomly shot for no reason, had it coming. at least some people are being straight up but a lot of u mf'ers are dumb as fukk with how u process shit.

[dude77]

this was a little thug in training .. probably saved someone's life in the future

[ThePhantomCreep]

this was a little thug in training .. probably saved someone's life in the future

You're a piece of shit.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

I listened to the 911 call, and then the dispatch call in addition to that police footage, which can all be seen/heard in the link I posted.

At first it looks like the police overreacted but given the 911 call and the dispatch call I think the blame here falls entirely on the dispatcher. She completely failed to relay the 911 callers CRITICAL detail that the gun was "probably fake" which he states not just once, but twice. She just proceeds to describe the person as a black male brandishing a gun. Not a "probably-fake" gun. :facepalm IMO That changes things entirely and she should not only lose her job but be tried for negligence or involuntary manslaughter or w/e could be thrown at her. That is not a detail you ommit, that is completely unacceptable the way I see it.


I listened to the 911 call, and then the dispatch call in addition to that police footage, which can all be seen/heard in the link I posted.
based on this audio the dispatcher is mostly at fault imo.

Dispatcher: Everybody's tied up with priorities, there's a guy sitting on a swing pointing a gun at people

Dispatcher: In the park by the youth center, is a black male sitting on a swing. He's wearing a camouflage hat, a grey jacket, with black sleeves, said he keeps pulling a gun out of his pants and pointing it at people

Also minor fault goes to the guy that called it in. If you think its probably a fake gun, you shouldnt call it in. Also the caller describes the 12 year old as a "guy" and doesn't identify Rice as a kid or a 12 year old.

According to the cops the rookie got out of the car and yelled "hands up!!" and (to him) Rice was reaching for the gun.
after the shooting
Police Officer: Radio, Shots Fired. Male down. Black male. Maybe 20 (he guessed Rice's age). Black revolver, or black handgun. Send EMS this way.

[MavsSuperFan]

Yo what the **** that video isn't even remotely close to the officer's story
:biggums:

Officer's version was he yelled "hands up!!" and then shot after (in his eyes) Rice reached for the bb gun ( that the officer thought was a real gun)

I dont see how that video is substantially different from what the cop said. He never claimed to have had a convo with rice

[Godzuki]

based on this audio the dispatcher is mostly at fault imo.

Dispatcher: Everybody's tied up with priorities, there's a guy sitting on a swing pointing a gun at people

Dispatcher: In the park by the youth center, is a black male sitting on a swing. He's wearing a camouflage hat, a grey jacket, with black sleeves, said he keeps pulling a gun out of his pants and pointing it at people

Also minor fault goes to the guy that called it in. If you think its probably a fake gun, you shouldnt call it in. Also the caller describes the 12 year old as a "guy" and doesn't identify Rice as a kid or a 12 year old.

According to the cops the rookie got out of the car and yelled "hands up!!" and (to him) Rice was reaching for the gun.
after the shooting
Police Officer: Radio, Shots Fired. Male down. Black male. Maybe 20 (he guessed Rice's age). Black revolver, or black handgun. Send EMS this way.


its obvious he had no idea it was fake or not. nobody here could know if it was or wasn't based on the look of the gun and the manner in which the 'kid' was wielding it. its obvious he was guessing it might be, afterall, how often do u see some random kid on a playground with a real gun randomly waving it at people? to me this is all common sense. you put yourself in any of their shoes and let me know if u can be definitive its a toy gun given what the gun looked like and the manner in which he was displayiing it. even pretending to load the gun at one point into the chamber....

its normal for someone to offer up something pointless in a call that can and might be weeded out to the actual cops. so lets say the dispatcher relayed exactly what everyone expects her to have told them are they suppposed to presume its fake based on a "it could be a toy, who knows?" statement? and if so what if it turned out to be real?

kills me how the mainstream media runs with the idea the caller point blannk stated it was fake when he did anything but.... people are such sheep to what the media says and so quick to blame law enforcement for everythinig these days :facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

:biggums:

Officer's version was he yelled "hands up!!" and then shot after (in his eyes) Rice reached for the bb gun ( that the officer thought was a real gun)

I dont see how that video is substantially different from what the cop said. He never claimed to have had a convo with rice


From the OP:
A rookie officer and a 10-15 year veteran pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. The rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer said.

The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.


Yea, **** you.

[dude77]

You're a piece of shit.

you probably ejaculated typing that didn't you .. sjw ..

that was obviously a black humor type of joke .. either way, he should not have been doing what he was doing .. who to blame ? that goes to his parents .. at some point, certain people have to take responsibility for wtf they're doing out in public

[MavsSuperFan]

From the OP:
A rookie officer and a 10-15 year veteran pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. The rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer said.

The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.


Yea, **** you.
That wasn't from either of the 2 responding officers. it was from the Cleveland police patrolmen's association. Verbal messages can get distorted as its conveyed. Its like that game of telephone when you played as kids. a verbal message gets distorted as its conveyed over multiple people.

Could be wrong but I recall reading a later account and it was just that the cop saw Rice and yelled "hands up" and shot the kid immediately afterwards. the cop argued he saw the kid reach for the bb gun (he thought it was a real gun)

The only substantial difference in that video from how I imagined it was that the cop walked near rice. The video had the cops driving close to him.

The whole situation is tragic, and imo caused by 2 key mistake assumptions.

1. that it was a real gun
2. the age of rice. Based on how the cop radioed in his description, immediately after the shooting he thought rice was "maybe 20"

Neither the civilian who called reported rice initially or the dispatcher noted that rice was 12 years old. both just describing him as a guy.

[KNOW1EDGE]

How come nobody ever takes any responsibility? It's always someone else's fault?

Don't let your kids play with fake hand guns out in public.

If your a kid, don't point fake guns at people in public.

If your a cop, don't pull up to the scene and shoot a kid within 3 seconds.

Case closed