LeBron is Playing with Career Losers.

[JtotheIzzo]

Funny how the guy with the great bball IQ, the guy who manages his image so carefully could overlook such a fundamental aspect to a player's make up, but somehow Bran got caught napping and he is paying the price now.

The Cavs core players (Love, Irving, Thompson, and Waiters) have never played on a playoff team, they haven't a clue how to win and they are plenty comfortable producing and plowing through the season. You see, these guys don't know how to win, and it is going to take them a long time to change their entire NBA makeover to that of a winner because they have all received praise and accolades without ever doing anything of note. Not having that knowledge and feel for what it takes to win (due to never experiencing it) is a huge detriment and it may take a couple of seasons for Bran to teach them (though by shipping Wiggins and Bennett out of town, its obvious the last thing Bran wants to do is teach or mentor).

In Miami Bran had Wade (heart of a lion and a champion), Ray Allen (so clutch and a champion), high character guys like Miller and Battier and dogs like Birdman and Haslem, in Cleveland he has an older Miller, brittle Andy and Shawn Marion.

With an unwilling leader like Bran, a club with a culture of losing and a rookie coach from Euroland, it is going to be really difficult to make sweeping attitudinal changes in Cleveland.

We really should have seen this coming. They can sort it out, but it might be more difficult than people thought.

[T_L_P]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kyrie collect three pieces of hardware last year, whilst LeBron got none?

[IGOTGAME]

The team will be more than fine. Everyone is jumping the gun. They will go to the Eastern Conference Finals or Finals and then next year they will add a shotblocker and improve.

[JtotheIzzo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kyrie collect three pieces of hardware last year, whilst LeBron got none?

Yeah he did, which is part of the problem now as being a great talent, he sees no reason to change, no need to improve, he is doing his thing, can't see the forest for the trees. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Kyrie wants to win, but he needs to learn how.

Right now this is his production in the grander scheme:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2014.html

[LAZERUSS]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

[JtotheIzzo]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

Yeah, a 'loser' with a championship and a finals MVP, but go on...

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah, a 'loser' with a championship and a finals MVP, but go on...

'06-07... 44-38 and swept in 1st round.
'07-08... 10-41 and missed the playoffs
'08-09... 43-39 and lost in 1st round, 4-3.
'09-10... 47-35 and lost in 1st round, 4-1.

[White Mamba]

he is the loser:oldlol:

Pau gasol played 12 playoffs games on a 50 wins team and won 0, than go on to win twice and made it to 3 nba finals with GodBe the winner.

Lebron won shit playing for the cavs, than run with his talents to south beach to lose 2 out of 4 finals with the monster he created - the ultimate loser.:kobe:

[JtotheIzzo]

'06-07... 44-38 and swept in 1st round.
'07-08... 10-41 and missed the playoffs
'08-09... 43-39 and lost in 1st round, 4-3.
'09-10... 47-35 and lost in 1st round, 4-1.

3/4 of those season are over .500 and in the playoffs, you are either trolling right now, or a very simple person.

[LAZERUSS]

3/4 of those season are over .500 and in the playoffs, you are either trolling right now, or a very simple person.

BTW, just how much did Wade contribute in the post-season in their two title runs? Same with his two Finals performances in those two years, as well?

[JtotheIzzo]

BTW, just how much did Wade contribute in the post-season in their two title runs? Same with his two Finals performances in those two years, as well?

OK, so it is simple. You are missing the point, Wade has won, knows winning and what it takes. The Cavs core has never played in a playoff game, never had to dig deep on a back to back, never had to close out weak teams on off nights.

There are things that winners do that take time to learn, a culture needs to be put in place, it just can't happen when most of your core has never played a game in the playoffs in their entire careers.

[T_L_P]

he is the loser:oldlol:

Pau gasol played 12 playoffs games on a 50 wins team and won 0, than go on to win twice and made it to 3 nba finals with GodBe the winner.

Lebron won shit playing for the cavs, than run with his talents to south beach to lose 2 out of 4 finals with the monster he created - the ultimate loser.:kobe:

I definitely think LeBron is pretty poor leader, especially with players of comparable talents...but he and the Cavs didn't have someone like Phil Jackson to mold Gasol or show him how things are done.

You seems to forget that Kobe's years without Phil have been laughable (bench player before him, missed Playoffs and couldn't stay on the court during the sabbatical year, has been basically irrelevant and not competed for a ring since).

[LAZERUSS]

OK, so it is simple. You are missing the point, Wade has won, knows winning and what it takes. The Cavs core has never played in a playoff game, never had to dig deep on a back to back, never had to close out weak teams on off nights.

There are things that winners do that take time to learn, a culture needs to be put in place, it just can't happen when most of your core has never played a game in the playoffs in their entire careers.

Well, ...and I think we would both agree... Lebron has carried his team's in his entire post-season career, whether it was with experienced "winners" or even "losers." His two 60+ seasons with the Cavs earlier in his career was testament to that.

And I have no doubt that he will lead this team into the playoffs, as well. As usual, the majority of ISH are jumping to conclusions based on a tiny sample of games and early in the season.

This Cavs roster is just to talented to finish below .500. I think even without Lebron, they would be capable of a .500 season. With him...I suspect that they will win at least 50 games, and be force in the playoffs.

[BuffaloBill]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.


Dumbest thing I've read all day. (Even though it's only 10 am)

[STATUTORY]

riiiight, so all the sudden Love/Irving/Waiters aren't good

Lebron turns great players into role players. and he thought he was coming back home so he could do whatever he wanted again but this time Kyrie and Dion aren't letting him do them like kunta kinte

[LAZERUSS]

I will say this....

and for for whatever reasons, I find it interesting that Lebron's presence has reduced good offensive and rebounding players like Bosh and Love into 3pt shooters with much less impact on the offensive glass.

[ImKobe]

http://i60.tinypic.com/30uznyx.jpg

[Akhenaten]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/fiddy.gif

[kennethgriffin]

gasols 0-16 in the playoffs without kobe


...................2 rings with kobe


:confusedshrug:

[Akhenaten]

I will say this....




Unless it's going to be your typical 30 page dissertation on Wilt Chamberlain don't type anything.

I really hope you were trolling with your initial comment likening Wade/Bosh to Irving/Love in terms of being "losers".

If not then you sir a cretin of the highest order, a slack-jawed, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing imbecile.

[HOoopCityJones]

You seems to forget that Kobe's years without Phil have been laughable (bench player before him, missed Playoffs and couldn't stay on the court during the sabbatical year, has been basically irrelevant and not competed for a ring since).


Good thing Duncan has had the fortune to never go through anything like that. Like ever in his career.

[kennethgriffin]

I will say this....

and for for whatever reasons, I find it interesting that Lebron's presence has reduced good offensive and rebounding players like Bosh and Love into 3pt shooters with much less impact on the offensive glass.

how many god damn times have i said "the lebron run offense tells bigs to get out of the paint"

hense the massive dip in offensive rebounding and fg% for love


bosh felt the impact aswell

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Good thing Duncan has had the fortune to never go through anything like that. Like ever in his career.

Any team Duncan played for would get 50 wins, Pop or not.

GOAT gonna GOAT.

:bowdown:

[beastee]

OP...No Excuses.

[Blue&Orange]

the guy who manages his image so carefully
Stop reading here :roll:

is this real life?

[ArbitraryWater]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.


http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/philivey_stare_wtf.gif

[HOoopCityJones]

Any team Duncan played for would get 50 wins, Pop or not.

GOAT gonna GOAT.

:bowdown:

Too bad we'll never know if you're just sucking dick or not.

[Dresta]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.
Hysterical Wilt Chamberlain fan calls guy who won Finals MVP in his third year a "loser" - this is too much :roll:

Keep it up with the walls of text worshipping an enormous choking behemoth, who, despite his size, is still, remarkably, completely lacking in courage or mental fortitude. Keep propping up your God-man :applause:

[PJR]

'06-07... 44-38 and swept in 1st round.
'07-08... 10-41 and missed the playoffs
'08-09... 43-39 and lost in 1st round, 4-3.
'09-10... 47-35 and lost in 1st round, 4-1.

So you're going to cut off half of Wade's career (where he had competent supporting cast) where he led the Heat to the Eastern Semis as a rookie, co-led the Heat to the Eastern Conference Finals with Shaq in 2005, and then led the Heat to the title in 2006? How convenient.

Moron.

[ILLsmak]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

This is a strange post. One thing people need to appreciate is college.

Dude's going deep in the tourney or having success on stacked college teams don't mean as much, but guys like... Hayward or Curry or, in this case, Wade, all had huge games in college. That is winning, too. That translates.

Then Wade got in the NBA and won. He won w/ Shaq, sure, but he also did some work in the playoffs without him.

If you make the playoffs in your rookie year, that is generally a good sign. Some people had teams that were just bad... and it doesn't mean you are a loser if you don't, but if you are a high pick and do... then you are probably a winner.

Not only did he make it, but actually won a series there, too.

-Smak

[SouBeachTalents]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

A player with a Finals MVP in his first 7 seasons is a "loser"? How many players in NBA history could claim that? Easily one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on this site

[DMAVS41]

BTW, just how much did Wade contribute in the post-season in their two title runs? Same with his two Finals performances in those two years, as well?


actually more than he gets credit for to be honest...although he was very poor in the eastern playoffs in 13, but pretty good in the finals...and played really well in the 14 eastern playoffs and was shit in the finals.

but, i mean, Wade was better than Lebron in the 11 playoffs. still elite in 12, came through when it really mattered in 13, and wore down by the finals in 14.

what everyone ignores is that Wade still busted his ass on defense during that 4 year run.

no doubt his play in 13 and 14 at times left a lot to be desired, but like I said above...he did enough in 13.

and are we ignoring 11? If Lebron doesn't have the worst choke ever...the Heat are sitting on 3 titles...and really 14 doesn't matter. The reason why 14 matters so much is precisely because Lebron choked and cost the Heat a title (with the Mavs of course having a role as well)

so I don't know....to me, Wade was still a damn good player that picked his spots well and doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he did on the defensive side of the ball.

[tomtucker]

Funny how the guy with the great bball IQ, the guy who manages his image so carefully could overlook such a fundamental aspect to a player's make up, but somehow Bran got caught napping and he is paying the price now.

The Cavs core players (Love, Irving, Thompson, and Waiters) have never played on a playoff team, they haven't a clue how to win and they are plenty comfortable producing and plowing through the season. You see, these guys don't know how to win, and it is going to take them a long time to change their entire NBA makeover to that of a winner because they have all received praise and accolades without ever doing anything of note. Not having that knowledge and feel for what it takes to win (due to never experiencing it) is a huge detriment and it may take a couple of seasons for Bran to teach them (though by shipping Wiggins and Bennett out of town, its obvious the last thing Bran wants to do is teach or mentor).

In Miami Bran had Wade (heart of a lion and a champion), Ray Allen (so clutch and a champion), high character guys like Miller and Battier and dogs like Birdman and Haslem, in Cleveland he has an older Miller, brittle Andy and Shawn Marion.

With an unwilling leader like Bran, a club with a culture of losing and a rookie coach from Euroland, it is going to be really difficult to make sweeping attitudinal changes in Cleveland.

We really should have seen this coming. They can sort it out, but it might be more difficult than people thought.
.
http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/lebron-is-a-tshirt-rondo.jpg

[Overdrive]

Wasn't Lebron a career loser, too, before he joined Wade & Riley?

[FLDFSU]

Funny how the guy with the great bball IQ, the guy who manages his image so carefully could overlook such a fundamental aspect to a player's make up, but somehow Bran got caught napping and he is paying the price now.

The Cavs core players (Love, Irving, Thompson, and Waiters) have never played on a playoff team, they haven't a clue how to win and they are plenty comfortable producing and plowing through the season. You see, these guys don't know how to win, and it is going to take them a long time to change their entire NBA makeover to that of a winner because they have all received praise and accolades without ever doing anything of note. Not having that knowledge and feel for what it takes to win (due to never experiencing it) is a huge detriment and it may take a couple of seasons for Bran to teach them (though by shipping Wiggins and Bennett out of town, its obvious the last thing Bran wants to do is teach or mentor).

In Miami Bran had Wade (heart of a lion and a champion), Ray Allen (so clutch and a champion), high character guys like Miller and Battier and dogs like Birdman and Haslem, in Cleveland he has an older Miller, brittle Andy and Shawn Marion.

With an unwilling leader like Bran, a club with a culture of losing and a rookie coach from Euroland, it is going to be really difficult to make sweeping attitudinal changes in Cleveland.

We really should have seen this coming. They can sort it out, but it might be more difficult than people thought.

So you are telling me that ISH overreacted by calling Cleveland the most stacked team of all time and that the most regular season wins record was in jeopardy?

[Dresta]

So you're going to cut off half of Wade's career (where he had competent supporting cast) where he led the Heat to the Eastern Semis as a rookie, co-led the Heat to the Eastern Conference Finals with Shaq in 2005, and then led the Heat to the title in 2006? How convenient.

Moron.
Especially like how he ignores the first 3 years of Wade's career and instead focuses only on two years that were wrecked by injury (in 06-07 he looked the best player in the league before he went down) and another two seasons where Miami were deliberately not attempting to compete to secure cap space for 2010. You can't bring 08/09 and 09/10 against Wade when he and the Miami organisation quite sensibly decided to rebuild around 2010 free-agency - those two seasons were sacrificed to help build a team that made the finals 4 straight seasons.

[Optimus Prime]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on here, especially since his subsequent attempts to defend this laughable position make it seem like he's serious and not trolling. Wade, who had a ring and a Finals MVP before LeBron showed up, was a "loser".

:kobe:

As for the OP, I can't tell if he's a LeBron stan or not. It reads like a "LeBron needs more help!" post, but then he does point out that Bran lacks any leadership ability whatsoever.

:confusedshrug:

[Done_And_Done]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

You're better than this man, common...

[Mr.Kite]

Kobe turned pau a career playoff loser to a 2 time champion

[royalbluecosby]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-42319-baby-ice-cream-wtf-face-reacti-p1CZ.gif

[T_L_P]

Good thing Duncan has had the fortune to never go through anything like that. Like ever in his career.

Correct. Oh the advantages of being a true professional. :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

Correct. Oh the advantages of being a true professional. :applause:

Or just being a closeted Homo. :applause:

[DonDadda59]

Bron makes everyone better doe :confusedshrug:

[SCdac]

I think it's pretty obvious Lebron didn't choose Cleveland because of the makeup of their team...

[T_L_P]

Or just being a closeted Homo. :applause:

Not really sure what relevance that has in a discussion of being able to get along with people or not.

But I'll just leave this here

http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/KobeBryantww2.jpg

Kobe fans having a horrid few years. :applause:

[PsychoBe]

didn't tim duncan's wife divorce him after he started an alleged "partnership" with tony parker? :lol

[IMObjective]

Not really sure what relevance that has in a discussion of being able to get along with people or not.

But I'll just leave this here

http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/KobeBryantww2.jpg

Kobe fans having a horrid few years. :applause:
You bastard, i will shit on your face.

[T_L_P]

didn't tim duncan's wife divorce him after he started an alleged "partnership" with tony parker? :lol


Nah, the rumour was Duncan and his college sweetheart, Mengke Bateer, who was in China whilst Duncan was in college and who Tim didn't even meet until he had been in the NBA for 5 years.

Shows how much weight it holds. She made the comment after evidence had been presented of her cheating on him -- she needed a move to get some exposure, since she wasn't getting anything (Tim got full custody too I believe).

[Bandito]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.Lebron was a loser as well as if you remember he never won anything at all. Only Wade was a winner who taught Bosh and Lebran how to win.

[HOoopCityJones]

Not really sure what relevance that has in a discussion of being able to get along with people or not.

But I'll just leave this here

http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/KobeBryantww2.jpg

Kobe fans having a horrid few years. :applause:


Swagbe :bowdown:

Islambe :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

I think it's pretty obvious Lebron didn't choose Cleveland because of the makeup of their team...

LOL...yes he did. He thought running home to Cleveland once they got Love (clearly worked out before he signed) would make life much easier than playing with a hurt Wade and Bosh.

[knicksman]

Lebron is the beta aka loser

[kennethgriffin]

Not really sure what relevance that has in a discussion of being able to get along with people or not.

But I'll just leave this here

http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/KobeBryantww2.jpg

Kobe fans having a horrid few years. :applause:

still more heterosexual than duncan

[coin24]

LOL...yes he did. He thought running home to Cleveland once they got Love (clearly worked out before he signed) would make life much easier than playing with a hurt Wade and Bosh.

This:cheers:

[ProfessorMurder]

still more heterosexual than duncan

Kobe can't even have a son.

[G0ATbe]

http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/KobeBryantww2.jpg


Yahwehbe :applause:

Messiahbe :bowdown:

[sportjames23]

Before Lebron arrived, Wade was pretty much a "loser", as well. Same with Chris Bosh before he joined up.


:biggums: :facepalm

[sportjames23]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-42319-baby-ice-cream-wtf-face-reacti-p1CZ.gif


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AirTupac]

Lazeruss confirmed as ISH's retard

[poido123]

LOL...yes he did. He thought running home to Cleveland once they got Love (clearly worked out before he signed) would make life much easier than playing with a hurt Wade and Bosh.


Thank you.

Anyone with half a brain can see lebron left for greener pastures. FOH with the "we have young players, I've got to be patient" bullshit :oldlol:

He knew the trade going down before he went to the Cavs.

[JtotheIzzo]

Thank you.

Anyone with half a brain can see lebron left for greener pastures. FOH with the "we have young players, I've got to be patient" bullshit :oldlol:

He knew the trade going down before he went to the Cavs.


basically all of that is true, but what he missed was the amount of time it takes to learn to be a winner. So many bad habits need to be flushed out.

Maybe Cleveland will do it quickly, maybe not.

Not saying Love and Kyrie etc. suck, not saying LeBron does, simply saying that when LBJ looked at that roster he saw ASG MVP and 25/12, while he ignored the 0 TOTAL PLAYOFF GAMES.

Cleveland will make the playoffs and make noise, but when push comes to shove I do not like their chances.

Push might not come to shove until the finals, but it will come.

[Magic 32]

So did Wade in the 2010-11.

[poido123]

basically all of that is true, but what he missed was the amount of time it takes to learn to be a winner. So many bad habits need to be flushed out.

Maybe Cleveland will do it quickly, maybe not.

Not saying Love and Kyrie etc. suck, not saying LeBron does, simply saying that when LBJ looked at that roster he saw ASG MVP and 25/12, while he ignored the 0 TOTAL PLAYOFF GAMES.

Cleveland will make the playoffs and make noise, but when push comes to shove I do not like their chances.


That's the hilarious part. Lebron has been carefully puppeting shortcuts to make himself look good and stack the odds in his favor wit

Push might not come to shove until the finals, but it will come.


That's the hilarious part. Lebron has been carefully orchestrating his career since the decision and trying to stack the odds in his favor. Now he has to face potentially a messy situation in Cleveland, where the only option for him to win championships might be for him to leave again.

Oh my, what drama that would make. :oldlol:

[WadeStan]

So did Wade in the 2010-11.

:D Good point. Minus Haslem of course

[coin24]

LeBron was a first class career loser before Miami..
The only thing he learned about winning was stack your team and play in the weakest conference. No Ray and refs to help you now..

Making out hes some accomplished winner now and has to teach the young guys:roll: :roll:

http://giant.gfycat.com/BitesizedHardAmericanwigeon.gif


And Lazzerus wtf:biggums: Wade was finals MVP before bran came to town

[DMAVS41]

basically all of that is true, but what he missed was the amount of time it takes to learn to be a winner. So many bad habits need to be flushed out.

Maybe Cleveland will do it quickly, maybe not.

Not saying Love and Kyrie etc. suck, not saying LeBron does, simply saying that when LBJ looked at that roster he saw ASG MVP and 25/12, while he ignored the 0 TOTAL PLAYOFF GAMES.

Cleveland will make the playoffs and make noise, but when push comes to shove I do not like their chances.

Push might not come to shove until the finals, but it will come.

Yea...they have flaws, but so do most teams. I mean...as a Mavs fan...we had teams incredibly flawed compared to this Cavs team to be honest that had absurd expectations and still today you get people hating on Mavs/Cuban/Dirk for not winning with like the 07 Mavs...which just look like shit compared to this Cavs team tbh.

It does and should take a lot of time, but I don't want to hear how this is some team with no championship expectations. Bullshit...they have the best player in the league and two other top 15 or so players...along with solid vets and young role players playing in a shit conference.

The rim protection is badly needed. And that is why I hated the Cavs not getting Dieng back...or at least keeping Bennett so they could move him or Thompson to get that rim protector.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yea...they have flaws, but so do most teams. I mean...as a Mavs fan...we had teams incredibly flawed compared to this Cavs team to be honest that had absurd expectations and still today you get people hating on Mavs/Cuban/Dirk for not winning with like the 07 Mavs...which just look like shit compared to this Cavs team tbh.

It does and should take a lot of time, but I don't want to hear how this is some team with no championship expectations. Bullshit...they have the best player in the league and two other top 15 or so players...along with solid vets and young role players playing in a shit conference.

The rim protection is badly needed. And that is why I hated the Cavs not getting Dieng back...or at least keeping Bennett so they could move him or Thompson to get that rim protector.
Do you really think they can have championship expectations this year though? With the Spurs around and a lot of other big forces in the West, I don't think any team in the east is really championship or bust. There is very little chance that a team like the Bulls, Cavs, Raptors, Wizards could beat the best team in the West

[Heavincent]

There is very little chance that a team like the Bulls, Cavs, Raptors, Wizards could beat the best team in the West


Or the 6th or 7th best team in the west for that matter.

[NZStreetBaller]

Saying lebron is playing with losers just sounds like another excuse to me. The seasons just started and the cavs are not dominant and we already tryna protect lebron with excuses even though he has one of the most stacked teams in the game.

Lack of playoff experience should only matter once they get to the playoffs.....

The talent is there and in large quantity. Its just not working very well.

Like ive said before this looks very much like the 2012-2013 lakers. Atleast they had injury problems

[JT123]

Saying lebron is playing with losers just sounds like another excuse to me. The seasons just started and the cavs are not dominant and we already tryna protect lebron with excuses even though he has one of the most stacked teams in the game.

Lack of playoff experience should only matter once they get to the playoffs.....

The talent is there and in large quantity. Its just not working very well.

Like ive said before this looks very much like the 2012-2013 lakers. Atleast they had injury problems
Saying the talent is in large quantity is laughable. The Cavs have 3 good players, (2 of which are career losers) a few washed up vets in Marion and Miller, and a bunch of low iq young guys who really aren't that good. Not to mention a coach with no NBA experience who doesn't even know enough to call a timeout when a team is making a huge run against you. :facepalm
I honestly don't see how anyone who isn't a troll could call this Cleveland team stacked. If they really had so much talent they wouldn't be dead last in the league in bench points.

[NZStreetBaller]

Saying the talent is in large quantity is laughable. The Cavs have 3 good players, (2 of which are career losers) a few washed up vets in Marion and Miller, and a bunch of low iq young guys who really aren't that good. Not to mention a coach with no NBA experience who doesn't even know enough to call a timeout when a team is making a huge run against you. :facepalm
I honestly don't see how anyone who isn't a troll could call this Cleveland team stacked. If they really had so much talent they wouldn't be dead last in the league in bench points.

Love and kyrie arent even old enough to be called career losers. They are great players that have plyed with absolute crap teams. one is an all star mvp/3 point contest winner. And the other is one of the best pfs in the game. The bench guys are perfect role players for lebron. 3 point spot up shooters. Jon jones mike miller marion love waiters and kyrie are all great 3 point shooters. Hes absolutely loaded with tools thats suit him.

[pastis]

wade was gifted to play in the EC his whole career. otherwise he wouldnt even sniff 10th place rankings in the west.

same with love. strong player, but in the west not a single playoff performance. im pretty sure that he will breath some playoff air in the east.

[NZStreetBaller]

Lebron stans make more excuses then any other stans on ISH

FACT

[R.I.P.]

LeBron was a first class career loser before Miami..
The only thing he learned about winning was stack your team and play in the weakest conference. No Ray and refs to help you now..

What you mean no refs to help you? Without the refs they lose in Boston and against Chicago. Even in Utah they tried, but failed. Without the refs they

[Kvnzhangyay]

LeBron was a first class career loser before Miami..
The only thing he learned about winning was stack your team and play in the weakest conference. No Ray and refs to help you now..

Making out hes some accomplished winner now and has to teach the young guys:roll: :roll:

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And Lazzerus wtf:biggums: Wade was finals MVP before bran came to town

how you win doesn't change the fact that he's a winner :coleman:

[Joyner82reload]

I'm still trying to figure out how Wade was a career loser, despite having a Finals MVP in one of the GOAT Finals performances, while LeBron was apparently a "winner", while being swept in his only Finals appearance which was possibly the worst Finals for a #1 option in NBA history.

[r15mohd]

how many god damn times have i said "the lebron run offense tells bigs to get out of the paint"

hense the massive dip in offensive rebounding and fg% for love


bosh felt the impact aswell

impact...4 finals, 2 titles. :rolleyes: Bosh was given a role to best fit the Heat's team with the Big 3, and it worked out pretty well for himself and the Heat.

as for Love...he took twice as many shots outside the arc than he did inside it when on Minny last year Link: http://vorped.com/1-nba/2013-2014/player/897/kevin-love/shotchart/ so to insinuate that Love is being forced to be something he isn't or wasn't, is just another lie you try to hope is overlooked as things look down for the Cavs, Lebron really. :rolleyes: :facepalm

Love's issue is adjusting to the role of not having the ball in his hands more than what he's accustom too. it'll fix itself, no doubt in that, he's just having a bad run right now as the team find its full identity.

[White Mamba]

I definitely think LeBron is pretty poor leader, especially with players of comparable talents...but he and the Cavs didn't have someone like Phil Jackson to mold Gasol or show him how things are done.

You seems to forget that Kobe's years without Phil have been laughable (bench player before him, missed Playoffs and couldn't stay on the court during the sabbatical year, has been basically irrelevant and not competed for a ring since).

The Lakers didn't have the roster (luke, Smush Brown) or the power (injuries) to contend without phil. but let me remined you that when kobe got Pau he alredy had the best record in the wild wild west at 26-13, with just andrew bynum. no love or kyrie just the hate.

you also seem to forget lebron was makin life in the weak East and had HCA and still got his ass kicked, so your team is good enough to win the regular season but not good enough to win titles? this is new to me.

Kobe got to the finals 7 times from the freakin WEST, and with Shaq he was great when it matters most (West finals no the too easy finals).

Lebron? got to just 5 finals despite having the HCA 7 times, won just 2 out of 5, one against a young thunder team and one because Ray allen saved his freakin ass.

he is not a poor leader, he is proving time after time that he is the great sidekick, but he refuse to accept that, thats why Dirk will retire as a champion, poor Wade.

[f0und]

:oldlol: @ these bran stans.

glad heat fans dont have to be lumped in with their idiocy anymore.

[pegasus]

That's the hilarious part. Lebron has been carefully orchestrating his career since the decision and trying to stack the odds in his favor. Now he has to face potentially a messy situation in Cleveland, where the only option for him to win championships might be for him to leave again.

Oh my, what drama that would make. :oldlol:
I have a feeling Lebron's PR team will soon start fabricating some stories that he can use in the off-season to justify his leaving again. It will be hilarious.:lol

[Elosha]

We can talk about Lebron's teammates all we want; there are some legitimate criticisms to be made. But Lebron himself needs to be taken to task; his poor play is a large reason why the Cavs sit two games below five hundred. That's not to say that Lebron can't/won't start playing better; he likely will. However, this poor start will likely come back to haunt the Cavs, they may finish as a fourth or fifth seed and have to win series on the road. Not a good position to be in when two of the "Big Three" have yet to even sniff the playoffs.

Lebron's skills and physical abilities seem to be slowly deteriorating, but it's far too early to draw any major conclusions. Even if he has a poor (by his standards) entire year, he could still come back strong in subsequent years. However, Lebron really relies on his athleticism to score to a greater degree than other greats. There are still holes in his game when it comes to skill level that may make it hard for him to remain truly elite as his explosiveness fades. He may need to develop into a more all around facilitator as he ages, maybe akin to a less explosive version of Pippen. Time will tell...

[SpanishACB]

"learning to win" is a bullshit argument generated by the media because they need things to talk about the cavs all day

they just need to learn how to play

[JtotheIzzo]

Funny how the guy with the great bball IQ, the guy who manages his image so carefully could overlook such a fundamental aspect to a player's make up, but somehow Bran got caught napping and he is paying the price now.

The Cavs core players (Love, Irving, Thompson, and Waiters) have never played on a playoff team, they haven't a clue how to win and they are plenty comfortable producing and plowing through the season. You see, these guys don't know how to win, and it is going to take them a long time to change their entire NBA makeover to that of a winner because they have all received praise and accolades without ever doing anything of note. Not having that knowledge and feel for what it takes to win (due to never experiencing it) is a huge detriment and it may take a couple of seasons for Bran to teach them (though by shipping Wiggins and Bennett out of town, its obvious the last thing Bran wants to do is teach or mentor).

In Miami Bran had Wade (heart of a lion and a champion), Ray Allen (so clutch and a champion), high character guys like Miller and Battier and dogs like Birdman and Haslem, in Cleveland he has an older Miller, brittle Andy and Shawn Marion.

With an unwilling leader like Bran, a club with a culture of losing and a rookie coach from Euroland, it is going to be really difficult to make sweeping attitudinal changes in Cleveland.

We really should have seen this coming. They can sort it out, but it might be more difficult than people thought.


Its like I could see the future...

[El Gato Negro]

Its like I could see the future...
You do realize your boy Wiggins playing for the worst franchise in the NBA is learning the same losing habits? Also few franchises are worse than the cavs but the wolves have no leg to stand on. This year makes 11 straight no playoffs and with the west the way it is could be another 10 without seeing a playoff game.

[JtotheIzzo]

You do realize your boy Wiggins playing for the worst franchise in the NBA is learning the same losing habits? Also few franchises are worse than the cavs but the wolves have no leg to stand on. This year makes 11 straight no playoffs and with the west the way it is could be another 10 without seeing a playoff game.

but lets not compare apples to oranges.

Wiggins is 19 playing on a team that is missing all 5 starters from last year and their 3 most important veterans are injured while the fourth was traded.

This year is all about Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Muhammed and Bennett getting reps, winning isn't even in the cards, it would be nice to win a few games, but the focus is getting better, not trying to squeeze out wins.

Love, Irving et al have played on teams that fell well short of expectations, Love and Irving have both been highly touted as world class 'Dream Team' level players and Love was solidly considered a top ten player in the off season while Irving was rising up the PG rankings.

Comparing compilers to a rookie learning the ropes is ridiculous.

Troy Aikmen and Emmitt Smith were 1-15 in Aikmen's rookie year with the Cowboys, the idea was let the kids learn a few hard lessons.

Hopefully you can see this.

[El Gato Negro]

but lets not compare apples to oranges.

Wiggins is 19 playing on a team that is missing all 5 starters from last year and their 3 most important veterans are injured while the fourth was traded.

This year is all about Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Muhammed and Bennett getting reps, winning isn't even in the cards, it would be nice to win a few games, but the focus is getting better, not trying to squeeze out wins.

Love, Irving et al have played on teams that fell well short of expectations, Love and Irving have both been highly touted as world class 'Dream Team' level players and Love was solidly considered a top ten player in the off season while Irving was rising up the PG rankings.

Comparing compilers to a rookie learning the ropes is ridiculous.

Troy Aikmen and Emmitt Smith were 1-15 in Aikmen's rookie year with the Cowboys, the idea was let the kids learn a few hard lessons.

Hopefully you can see this.learning bad losing habits is learning losing habits :confusedshrug: love learned his losing habits from the wolves, who is going to teach Wiggins how to win on the wolves? They are full of career losers as well.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Yeah he did, which is part of the problem now as being a great talent, he sees no reason to change, no need to improve, he is doing his thing, can't see the forest for the trees. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Kyrie wants to win, but he needs to learn how.

Right now this is his production in the grander scheme:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2014.html
:rockon:

[GimmeThat]

the media talked about phil jacksons coaching tree the other day.

Yet it somehow forgot to mention who/why Phil Jackson consistently hire those personnel in his route to contend for a title.