What's with all these centers and power forwards playing like shooting guards?

[keep-itreal]

Chris Bosh and Anthony Davis for example. Why don't they just post up

[CavaliersFTW]

Because they never learned that shit when they were kids like they should have. It isn't impossible to teach an old dog new tricks but it is a lot harder

[outbreak]

Because they didn't learn it growing up. Today's youth leagues want to teach kids to be the next KD and not spend the time working on footwork. In Davis's case he was a guard when he was younger.

[Milbuck]

Considering Davis is going Colorado Kobe mode on the league right now, I'd say more big men should start playing like shooting guards.

[ralph_i_el]

It's important to have a big who can shoot for floor spacing purposes.

And if you have a big who CAN shoot....he probably WILL shoot.

[SyRyanYang]

Name one all time great power forward who doesn't have a solid mid-range jumper.










inb4 Duncan who's basically a center

[Smoke117]

Anthony Davis is averaging 26 points on 58%...

[DonDadda59]

Since when does Anthony Davis play like a SG? :coleman:

[nba_55]

Chris Bosh and Anthony Davis for example. Why don't they just post up

because they can't post up, and because they are more effective taking midrange shots.

[Pointguard]

Pete Newell basically used to have a big man's camp, where players could learn the fundamentals of playing classic center and on the blocks. He got old, stopped the camp and I can't say anybody has played classic Wilt style center since.

You have to know how to do it before you can really do it.

[outbreak]

Pete Newell basically used to have a big man's camp, where players could learn the fundamentals of playing classic center and on the blocks. He got old, stopped the camp and I can't say anybody has played classic Wilt style center since.

You have to know how to do it before you can really do it.

Half the coaches on the youth circuit have no clue about teaching basketball fundamentals like post work either neither do they have the incentive too if their team will look better by having your big kid just use his size to score over smaller opponents.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Since when are PFs and Cs running around picks for long 2's and 3's? Who's breaking down defenses with dribbling? There's a massive difference between big men shooting, and big men being shooting guards.

[Kvnzhangyay]

A lot of big men and PFs have always played front to basket...

[rmt]

Name one all time great power forward who doesn't have a solid mid-range jumper.

inb4 Duncan who's basically a center

Duncan has shot over 40% from 10 ft to <3pt line over his entire career (regular season). I'd call that having a solid mid-range jumper. You might argue that he doesn't shoot it much from distance, but not that he doesn't shoot it relatively well when he does.

By comparison, Karl Malone shot 41% from 10-16 ft and only 36% from 16 ft to <3pt line over his entire career.

[oarabbus]

Josh Smith is the only PF that plays like an SG off the top of my head

Ryan Anderson plays like a 2 as well but I'd rather have him taking 3s than posting up...

[Random_Guy]

shooting doesnt equal playing like a sg, but yeah big man should post up more

[Taller than CP3]

Whenever I've tried posting up in a pick up game, I'd always get the ball stolen from me. Same thing used to happen to Dwight on the Lakers. Anyone know why this keeps happening?

[clipps]

Whenever I've tried posting up in a pick up game, I'd always get the ball stolen from me. Same thing used to happen to Dwight on the Lakers. Anyone know why this keeps happening?

Poor court awareness on your part and very poor communication and spacing. Trying to operate in heavy traffic. You are also probably spending too much time trying to back down your defender. I hate posting up in pickup games.

[La Frescobaldi]

Who thinks it's new?
4s & 5s have been shooting mid-range jumpers for 50 years.
Shaq changed the perception of a C because he had such an ugly jumper.

Centers and PFs have always had mid game.

[dannywpt]

Why are big men who can space the floor and shoot a bad thing in todays game?

This isn't the 80's or 90's any more. Don't let nostalgia eat you up.

[kurple]

Arthur has done nothing other than stand on the 3pt line on offense this season. but its been working (to some degree) so i wont complain. especially when he also plays very strong D

[Element]

Duncan has shot over 40% from 10 ft to <3pt line over his entire career (regular season). I'd call that having a solid mid-range jumper. You might argue that he doesn't shoot it much from distance, but not that he doesn't shoot it relatively well when he does.

By comparison, Karl Malone shot 41% from 10-16 ft and only 36% from 16 ft to <3pt line over his entire career.

It's ridiculous how Duncan gets so much credit and so many passes for nothing.

Your stats are badly cherry picked. Shooting data doesn't even exist for most of Malone's prime, and he attempted a SIGNIFICANTLY higher amount of shots, most of them being much more difficult, too. You can't throw the ball to Tim and expect him to catch, turn and be able to create a good mid-range shot for himself. His are, and have been almost always completely open.

[La Frescobaldi]

It's ridiculous how Duncan gets so much credit and so many passes for nothing.

Your stats are badly cherry picked. Shooting data doesn't even exist for most of Malone's prime, and he attempted a SIGNIFICANTLY higher amount of shots, most of them being much more difficult, too. You can't throw the ball to Tim and expect him to catch, turn and be able to create a good mid-range shot for himself. His are, and have been almost always completely open.

being completely open is a vastly higher skill than creating a shot or driving ever was.

[AussieG]

Since when are PFs and Cs running around picks for long 2's and 3's? Who's breaking down defenses with dribbling? There's a massive difference between big men shooting, and big men being shooting guards.
Thank you.

[chocolatethunder]

Chris Bosh and Anthony Davis for example. Why don't they just post up
Well, Davis grew up as a guard and had a late growth spurt. Pretty uncommon although not unheard of for guys who are 6'1" to be beasts in the post.

[SCdac]

Duncan, Malone, Garnett, Brand, Webber, Robinson, Bosh, etc, are just some of the big men (PF/C) with excellent midrange game and midrange shooting of the last 20-30 years. Duncan's bank shot is a staple let alone all his other midrange shooting. The only thing shooting guard-esque to me about big men nowadays is shooting tons of three's, ala Kevin Love, Antoine Walker of 10-15 years ago, or Dirk of the early 2000's. Not feeling it for the most part, at least from a franchise big man (when it's a role player it's different). At the end of the day having a good-great post game is integral. A good balance of jump shooting, posting up, and slashing is ideal imo

[Elosha]

Name one all time great power forward who doesn't have a solid mid-range jumper.










inb4 Duncan who's basically a center


Duncan also has a pretty solid mid range jumper and bank shot. Don't forget he hit the go ahead contested jumper for the Spurs before Fisher's infamous 0.4 second turnaround. Duncan can easily hit from 15-18.

[Anaximandro1]

It's ridiculous how Duncan gets so much credit and so many passes for nothing.

Your stats are badly cherry picked. Shooting data doesn't even exist for most of Malone's prime, and he attempted a SIGNIFICANTLY higher amount of shots, most of them being much more difficult, too. You can't throw the ball to Tim and expect him to catch, turn and be able to create a good mid-range shot for himself. His are, and have been almost always completely open.

25-year old Duncan scoring all over the place in the WCF.

2001 WCF G2: Duncan 40pts vs. LA Lakers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apxGLs_42nc)


Unlike Malone, prime Duncan excelled at creating his own shot in half-court situations.

Duncan was too quick and skilled for 7-footers, and his back-to-the-basket game was unstoppable for small defenders.



Tim Duncan % of FGA by Distance Regular Season (2001 - 2014)


(10 - 16 ft) -> 20.0%

+16 ft -> 15.3%

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Tim Duncan % of FG by Distance Regular Season (2001 - 2014)



(10 - 16 ft) -> 40.4%

+16 ft -> 40.9%