Marc Gasol is the frontrunner for MVP so far this season

[Eric Cartman]

Although even if they do continue playing well I think the media will **** the Grizzlies chances of having a MVP.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hey if Steve Nash can win 2 MVP's, anything is possible

[Im Still Ballin]

1. Curry
2. Gasol
3. Demarcus Cousins
4. Harden

[Eric Cartman]

20/8/3 with DPOY defense :bowdown:

[iamgine]

Nah before Marc, they'd first give it to Anthony Davis despite Pelicans' record.

[Miles and Miles]

We have played 15% of the season.

[Fudge]

Davis
Gasol
Curry
Cousins
Lowry

[pastis]

I'ill go with KOBE "BEAN" "THE BLACK MAMBA" BRYANT

FVCKING TWO MAJOR INJURIES, 36 YEARS OLD, LEADING THE LEAGUE IN SCORING. HE SHOOTS NEARLY 40%.

This dude is balling with monster balls. No shot too difficult, no distance too far
This dude is the shit:applause:

[Optimus Prime]

Even if the Cavs finish as the 8th seed in the Least with a below .500 record, LeBron will win the MVP. The narrative will be that he "carried a group of scrubs and a bad coach to the playoffs".

Just get ready. It's going to happen.

:kobe:

[brantonli]

Nah before Marc, they'd first give it to Anthony Davis despite Pelicans' record.

Somebody posted that it was Moses Malone who was the last guy to win the MVP with a sub-2nd seed record. To win the MVP, your team has to be one of the top 4 (East + West) teams in the NBA, and the Pelicans are nowhere near that. Neither is Boogie, despite how amazingly well he is playing. So Gasol really does look like one of the top forerunners.

Interesting note, think of how weak the center position was just a few years ago, when Yao left and Bynum went down with injuries. Greg Oden was supposed to save the Cs. Now Davis, Gasol, Cousins was dominating, Howard is still somewhere up there, Noah is great, even Hibbert has his head on straight and Drummond (hopefully) can turn it around soon. The bigs are back.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Marc Gasol is the lebron for MVP so far this season

[iamgine]

Somebody posted that it was Moses Malone who was the last guy to win the MVP with a sub-2nd seed record. To win the MVP, your team has to be one of the top 4 (East + West) teams in the NBA, and the Pelicans are nowhere near that. Neither is Boogie, despite how amazingly well he is playing. So Gasol really does look like one of the top forerunners.

Interesting note, think of how weak the center position was just a few years ago, when Yao left and Bynum went down with injuries. Greg Oden was supposed to save the Cs. Now Davis, Gasol, Cousins was dominating, Howard is still somewhere up there, Noah is great, even Hibbert has his head on straight and Drummond (hopefully) can turn it around soon. The bigs are back.
I think they would pick Davis if it's Marc vs him. All despite pelicans record and history saying otherwise. I can't be the only one thinking this.

[Myth]

I'ill go with KOBE "BEAN" "THE BLACK MAMBA" BRYANT

FVCKING TWO MAJOR INJURIES, 36 YEARS OLD, LEADING THE LEAGUE IN SCORING. HE SHOOTS NEARLY 40%.

This dude is balling with monster balls. No shot too difficult, no distance too far
This dude is the shit:applause:

:roll:

[brantonli]

I think they would pick Davis if it's Marc vs him. All despite pelicans record and history saying otherwise. I can't be the only one thinking this.

Thing is I doubt Pelican's record is going to be good, they play against SA, dallas, Houston, Memphis 16 times in total, that's going to put a big dent in their win column. Also Moses won the MVP 32 years ago as the 4th seed, and since then all MVPs have been top 2 seeds in their conferences. Even is Davis is historically great this season, it means nothing if you don't get the wins.

[comerb]

Although even if they do continue playing well I think the media will **** the Grizzlies chances of having a MVP.

Curry and Davis are both playing better.

[iamgine]

Thing is I doubt Pelican's record is going to be good, they play against SA, dallas, Houston, Memphis 16 times in total, that's going to put a big dent in their win column. Also Moses won the MVP 32 years ago as the 4th seed, and since then all MVPs have been top 2 seeds in their conferences. Even is Davis is historically great this season, it means nothing if you don't get the wins.
MVP are votes though. Wins only matters if the voters think it matters.

As I said, in this case I think they will disregard pelicans record and history if it comes down to Marc vs Davis.

[andremiller07]

Davis
Gasol
Curry
Cousins
Lowry
Agreeing with Fudge :biggums:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Great case so far

[navy]

MVP are votes though. Wins only matters if the voters think it matters.

As I said, in this case I think they will disregard pelicans record and history if it comes down to Marc vs Davis.

Davis can only win if he reaches 50 wins.

The thing about Marc Gasol is that he might not put up the stats at the end of 82 games to win. He'll get another DPOY, but MVP? I dont think he keeps up the production.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Davis can only win if he reaches 50 wins.

The thing about Marc Gasol is that he might not put up the stats at the end of 82 games to win. He'll get another DPOY, but MVP? I dont think he keeps up the production.
When has an MVP ever won as the 7th or 8th seed or even as low as 50 wins? i dont see it.

Marc will win DPOY hes easily the best defender in the league. The best perimeter defender in the league is on his team too so its hard to see a case for anyone else

Marc has improved his offensive game. Hes much better shooting the basketball from midrange and curling off screens to get in the lane for easy buckets.

Marc has had 3 30pt games this season. Before this season he has only had 1 30pt game in his ENTIRE career. this is a new Marc Gasol no doubt about it

[navy]

When has an MVP ever won as the 7th or 8th seed or even as low as 50 wins? i dont see it.

Marc will win DPOY hes easily the best defender in the league. The best perimeter defender in the league is on his team too so its hard to see a case for anyone else

Marc has improved his offensive game. Hes much better shooting the basketball from midrange and curling off screens to get in the lane for easy buckets.

Marc has had 3 30pt games this season. Before this season he has only had 1 30pt game in his ENTIRE career. this is a new Marc Gasol no doubt about it

I think the worst MVP record wise in the moden era has been Michael Jordan. MaybeIverson. Dont rememer the numbers. 50 wins is cutoff I think though.

That's interesting. But Im not sure if I fully trust Marc to average over 20 this season.

[Eric Cartman]

MVP :bowdown:

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Them Gasol brothers can really ball.

[deja vu]

B-b-buut... Euros suck. :lol

[daprunus]

Davis can only win if he reaches 50 wins.

The thing about Marc Gasol is that he might not put up the stats at the end of 82 games to win. He'll get another DPOY, but MVP? I dont think he keeps up the production.

His stats aren't that hard to sustain considering how talented he is, plus he is skinny and in the best shape ever.

[stalkerforlife]

Gasol is the current MVP and he just took it from Curry.

[AussieG]

He wouldn't even care if he wins it, as long as they win. It's not what motivates him. That's the funny thing, people in this topic care more about it than he does.

[Eric Cartman]

He wouldn't even care if he wins it, as long as they win. It's not what motivates him. That's the funny thing, people in this topic care more about it than he does.

That's why I want him to win it.

So humble and more than deserves it :applause:

[GimmeThat]

I'm pretty sure this is real cigarettes and not e-cig.


papa simpson out

[Relinquish]

Wall or Curry MVP :pimp:

[Fudge]

Definitely SHOULD be Westbrook or Durant again this year.

[daprunus]

Marc leading Memphis in the game of the year

[greymatter]

Nope.

He's arguably close, but Harden has done a lot more to carry his team considering that he's played without 2-3 other starters for most of the season so far.

Gasol has had the luxury of having Zbo and Conley playing well and injury free for the entire season.

[Magic 32]

[guy]

Really don't understand the hype. Numbers aren't that dominating and he's not that much more valuable on his team then Zach or Conley. I'd easily put Curry, Harden, Wall, Lebron, Davis ahead of him.

[dunksby]

Really don't understand the hype. Numbers aren't that dominating and he's not that much more valuable on his team then Zach or Conley. I'd easily put Curry, Harden, Wall, Lebron, Davis ahead of him.
He is the best two way player in the league right now and has the most impact on his team.

[Genaro]

Really don't understand the hype. Numbers aren't that dominating and he's not that much more valuable on his team then Zach or Conley. I'd easily put Curry, Harden, Wall, Lebron, Davis ahead of him.
Forget the numbers and just watch the games. This team was really bad without him last year.

[no pun intended]

Ga-Z-Bo

[AussieG]

If numbers matter, Gasol is average. If you watch the games.. Gasol is beyond average. Whether he is MVP or not? Don't care. Honestly. As long as the team keeps improving and can go deep in the playoffs, who cares.

[chazzy]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]

[Magic731]

If numbers matter, Gasol is average. If you watch the games.. Gasol is beyond average. Whether he is MVP or not? Don't care. Honestly. As long as the team keeps improving and can go deep in the playoffs, who cares.
The fans care. It's what fans do. We speculate about awards.

[Eric Cartman]

If numbers matter, Gasol is average. If you watch the games.. Gasol is beyond average. Whether he is MVP or not? Don't care. Honestly. As long as the team keeps improving and can go deep in the playoffs, who cares.

You must be fun at parties.

[theaussieguy]

MVP is an inherently flawed award, it makes people think in a completely retarded way, just maybe...maybe there's multiple players in the L each year who are playing such blazing ball, deciding who is MVP is like splitting hairs.

Its an airy fairy bullsh!t meaningless award, just like most bball accolades

[Eric Cartman]

MVP is an inherently flawed award, it makes people think in a completely retarded way, just maybe...maybe there's multiple players in the L each year who are playing such blazing ball, deciding who is MVP is like splitting hairs.

Its an airy fairy bullsh!t meaningless award, just like most bball accolades

Why are australians so cynical and grumpy? :(

[dunksby]

Why are australians so cynical and grumpy? :(
It's the same guy? AussieG~aussieguy...

[Magic731]

Why are australians so cynical and grumpy? :(
I'm Australian, trust me we aren't all like that :D

I fail to see how the MVP a is a meaningless award? It's the highest individual honour except for finals MVP and second only to a ring or finals MVP.

[TheGreatDeraj]

I'm Australian, trust me we aren't all like that :D

I fail to see how the MVP a is a meaningless award? It's the highest individual honour except for finals MVP and second only to a ring or finals MVP.

Since 1980 the MVP has been voted on by the media.

take a look at who voted for MVP last year. (http://www.nba.com/media/050614-2013-14-Kia-MVP-Votes.pdf)

MVPs are meaningless imo

[Magic731]

Since 1980 the MVP has been voted on by the media.

take a look at who voted for MVP last year. (http://www.nba.com/media/050614-2013-14-Kia-MVP-Votes.pdf)

MVPs are meaningless imo
Go watch Kevin Durant's acceptance speech and tell me they are meaningless.

[SexSymbol]

Go watch Kevin Durant's acceptance speech and tell me they are meaningless.
It holds sentimental value, especially to the player, no one's denying that, but in terms of career impacting value, it's worthless.
Kobe's the same player with his one MVP or without any, LeBron's the same player with his 4 mvps or without any, same goes for everybody else who has won after it became a media award.
People with obvious biases that they express in everyday articles vote on this award, think about that for a sec.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Go watch Kevin Durant's acceptance speech and tell me they are meaningless.

lol did not know you were going for emotional meaningful, I thought you were going for basketball rankings.


I'm Australian, trust me we aren't all like that

I fail to see how the MVP a is a meaningless award? It's the highest individual honour except for finals MVP and second only to a ring or finals MVP.

[bigt]

Right now you'd have to have him up there. Personally I'd be picking between either him or Curry, but it's still only December and a lot can happen from now until the end of the season. As good as the Brow's been you've got to be on a winning team to really win the award, I just hope Marc can get a bit of a publicity push to at least give him a chance

[kells333]

So i guess im the only one who thinks marc gasols season is being overrated. People talking about eye test? Please watch steph curry and marc gasol play and tell me who looks like the better player. And to the guy who said hes more important to mem than davis is to nop... Kill yoself

[The JKidd Kid]

So i guess im the only one who thinks marc gasols season is being overrated. People talking about eye test? Please watch steph curry and marc gasol play and tell me who looks like the better player. And to the guy who said hes more important to mem than davis is to nop... Kill yoself

The thing that seperated Marc from Curry is that they grizzlies are running their offense through him and he's anchoring their elite defense. Curry is all offense.

[kells333]

Im just under the impression that any good passing big man could do what he does. Just most teams dont consistently run sets where big man controls the offense from high post.

[brooks_thompson]

Im just under the impression that any good passing big man could do what he does. Just most teams dont consistently run sets where big man controls the offense from high post.

That is so not true. That said, y'all know how MVP works. It is gonna be the best player on one of the top 5 or so teams record-wise.

1a. Harden
1b. Curry
3. Gasol

I think that's the closest to an objective consensus thus far.

Edit: speak of the devil. A front page thread confirms this.

[AussieG]

It's the same guy? AussieG~aussieguy...
haha.. no

I care about the MVP usually, I cared when Barkley won it, or MJ or Shaq etc.

Just trying to reflect that this Grizz team doesn't have just one guy, and there's no one on the team that tries to chase those kind of awards. The closest is trying to get an All Star spot, but even then.. it's not a big thing. They aren't going to get butt hurt if they miss out on any of these things.

It's part of what makes them unpopular in the media to talk about, they are hard to hype up. You won't see many of them on TV commercials selling cars or phones, but it's what also makes them a good team. They share the load and care about the team instead of individual things. They even take pay cuts to play together. They make each other better and have fun playing.. instead of situations like LA with Dwight vs Kobe vs GM vs Pau etc etc. AI lasted 3 games on this team but VC is fitting in better.

Against the Warrors the other day, the crowd started chanting MVP for Gasol (first time I can remember a Memphis crowd do that for a home player) and he missed both FT's. :lol

But I've been saying that Gasol is the true MVP of the Grizz since about 2010, so it's nice to see him get some recognition and respect for his game.

[guy]

Forget the numbers and just watch the games. This team was really bad without him last year.


Well last year isn't this year. I'll admit, haven't seen much of their games this year. And sure, numbers don't always capture impact completely. With that said, numbers do mean SOMETHING. I'm pretty sure no MVP has won it with the kind of numbers Gasol is putting up. In fact, I'm pretty sure every MVP has put up at least 24+ ppg, 10+ rpg, OR 10+ apg. Marc Gasol falls considerably short of all those numbers. I really don't see how a center in general could win MVP without even averaging 10 rpg.

[daprunus]

Well last year isn't this year. I'll admit, haven't seen much of their games this year. And sure, numbers don't always capture impact completely. With that said, numbers do mean SOMETHING. I'm pretty sure no MVP has won it with the kind of numbers Gasol is putting up. In fact, I'm pretty sure every MVP has put up at least 24+ ppg, 10+ rpg, OR 10+ apg. Marc Gasol falls considerably short of all those numbers. I really don't see how a center in general could win MVP without even averaging 10 rpg.

Gasol is the best player in this league right now, who cares about the numbers of other players in the past.

The problem is to have an sterotype based in numbers for the MVP and then select him watching boxscores instead of actually watch the game.

[AussieG]

It's easier to judge by numbers, it means you don't actually have to watch the games.

Watching every game is fukn hard. There's 4 games per week per team. Watching every team is impossible. Judging by boxscores is laziness but it's more practical. If someone puts up 26 and 9 and 8, it saves you having to watch the games. When you have to watch the games.. a lot of people just don't have the time or passion for that. Too much work. Sport shouldn't be work, it should be fun. But some people just go through the motions.