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ROCSteady
11-24-2014, 09:24 PM
For all my film buff ppls on the board.

These are 25 underrated or underexposed films since 2000

Part 1
https://freshcutroc.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/rocs-25-undervalued-films-of-the-century/

Part 2
https://freshcutroc.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/rocs-25-undervalued-films-of-the-century-part-ii/

This shit is only written for nighaz who take film seriously as an artistic medium. If you only like MOVIES to be entertained then this probably isn't written for u.

:cheers:

Myth
11-24-2014, 09:33 PM
MacGruber is so undervalued that I don't even need to look at the lists to know that they didn't include it.

ROCSteady
11-24-2014, 09:35 PM
LOL I've never seen the whole thing

SugarHill
11-24-2014, 09:43 PM
A few of those films aren't really undervalued. They always appear in lists from people who are into films. Some are incredibly praised, maybe even too much.

ROCSteady
11-24-2014, 09:46 PM
Such as . . .

TheSilentKiller
11-24-2014, 09:59 PM
25th Hour is an interesting movie. Back when I watched it (sometime around 2007 i think) Edward Norton was one of my favorite actors. I didn't dislike the movie, but I've had no real desire to watch it again. Rant in the mirror was pretty funny and I liked the premise, I just felt like it left a bit to be desired.

DeuceWallaces
11-24-2014, 10:00 PM
I don't see how at least half these are undervalued; most of these were big, well known hits.

DonDadda59
11-24-2014, 10:04 PM
Some of the best and most undervalued films this century have been foreign films. Prime example:

http://axinlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Un-proph%C3%A8te.jpg

SugarHill
11-24-2014, 10:20 PM
^great film


Such as . . .

The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
Hugo
Adaptation
Jarhead
Y Tu Mama Tambien

JohnFreeman
11-24-2014, 10:29 PM
In Bruges

Myth
11-24-2014, 10:43 PM
^great film



The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
Hugo
Adaptation
Jarhead
Y Tu Mama Tambien

Agreed. Those were all big hits.

DonDadda59
11-24-2014, 10:52 PM
Agreed. Those were all big hits.

Jesse James was a complete box office flop. Cost $30 million to make, raked in maybe $1 mil.

fsvr54
11-24-2014, 11:14 PM
Some of the best and most undervalued films this century have been foreign films. Prime example:

http://axinlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Un-proph%C3%A8te.jpg

Incredible movie

Also, Black Dynamite was the shit!

Another one of the greatest movies of all time,

The Proposition
http://flimgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/the_proposition_2.jpg

CNNonceAgain
11-24-2014, 11:16 PM
Almost all of those movies suck.

BoogieWoogieMan
11-24-2014, 11:20 PM
Where El Topo at?

johndeeregreen
11-24-2014, 11:24 PM
Jarhead, if anything, is overrated. What a pile of shit that was.

A Prophet, The Proposition, and 25th Hour all good choices. It was nice of Spike Lee to cut most of his bullshit out for at least one film.

andgar923
11-25-2014, 01:24 AM
Never liked The Watchmen.

Long pretentious, poorly acted and cliche filled. Would've been great if it was made two decades ago. Every theme has been touched on and done better in past comic book/action movies. This came about too late.

And Zack is a bad director, style over substance and very predictable.

Bless Mathews
11-25-2014, 01:42 AM
If Fear of a Black Hat ain't on there, the list is crap.



http://youtu.be/Lc-OhRrvyvE

Myth
11-25-2014, 02:00 AM
Jesse James was a complete box office flop. Cost $30 million to make, raked in maybe $1 mil.

Yeah, you are right. Still, it gained a strong cult following. I never liked it myself though.

ThePhantomCreep
11-25-2014, 03:29 AM
Where El Topo at?

Only 2000-present

T_L_P
11-25-2014, 04:46 AM
Jurassic park

Not even in imdb top 200 and is by a wide margin the greatest movie ever

It's a kiddie horror flick :biggums:

El Kabong
11-25-2014, 08:43 AM
Black Dynamite is one of my favourites on the list. The Adult Swim cartoon is OK, but doesn't match the awesomeness of the film.

rufuspaul
11-25-2014, 11:34 AM
Where the Wild Things Are and Road to Perdition are two of my favorite movies :cheers:



That was one of the worst adaptations of a children's book ever. Good thing Sendak was dead before it came out.

casual_fan
11-25-2014, 12:30 PM
Jarhead, if anything, is overrated. What a pile of shit that was.

A Prophet, The Proposition, and 25th Hour all good choices. It was nice of Spike Lee to cut most of his bullshit out for at least one film.

This ! I wasn

Myth
11-25-2014, 12:40 PM
Jarhead, if anything, is overrated. What a pile of shit that was.



I enjoyed that movie, but it certainly borrowed heavily and wanted to be a modern day Full Metal Jacket.

ROCSteady
11-25-2014, 04:54 PM
I don't see how at least half these are undervalued; most of these were big, well known hits.

You must not have a great definition of what a 'hit' is...

ROCSteady
11-25-2014, 04:55 PM
Some of the best and most undervalued films this century have been foreign films. Prime example:

http://axinlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Un-proph%C3%A8te.jpg


:banana: Good one. For sure. A lot of people here just aren't interested in foreign films. Uncultured fcks

ROCSteady
11-25-2014, 04:56 PM
Where the Wild Things Are and Road to Perdition are two of my favorite movies :cheers:




9 should have been on there though. That shit was masterful


You kno what? 9 is a great example of an undervalued movie of more recent years :rockon:

ROCSteady
11-25-2014, 04:57 PM
25th Hour is an interesting movie. Back when I watched it (sometime around 2007 i think) Edward Norton was one of my favorite actors. I didn't dislike the movie, but I've had no real desire to watch it again. Rant in the mirror was pretty funny and I liked the premise, I just felt like it left a bit to be desired.

The hypothetical ending was awe-inspiring imo :bowdown: Great cinematography and narration by Cox.

Thorpesaurous
11-25-2014, 05:53 PM
Watchmen.
I watched it and enjoyed it, but it wasn't close to being the revolutionary thing I was led to believe it would be. And it was a huge huge major release that I'm sure was a disappointment to the studios. It was my introduction to Malin Ackermen, so it's got that going for it.

Road to Perdition was an excellent movie, and a major release. It is probably better than it gets credit for because it lives in the shadows of the other mobster movies in it's genre, and is probably better than 95%, but not quite at the elite level.

Didn't see Hugo. Heard good things.

Martha Marcy May Marlene I also didn't see. It's kind of become the running punchline as the arthousiest of arthouse flicks. I have friends who saw it that shocked me that they did and they were of course disappointed, but I don't put much stock on their opinion on the subject.

I'm Not There I really liked, but it is a mish mosh of good and bad. I liked it mostly for the crazy idea of all the different people playing the same part.

Before The Devil Knows You're Dead is one of my favorites. And right up my ally in it's noir, suspense genre. It feels like a small Italian or French movie which seems to excel in this genre. I would say this definitely fits the bill of Undervalued.

The Wackness is a good quirky coming of age flick with a particular point of view, with this wigged out white kid and all the pot. There's a lot of good movies like this. It's a lot a matter of taste. I'd go with Adventureland if I were looking in this genre, although I'd admit this perspective is more unique. This probably fits your bill too.

One Hour Photo was also a major release, and got a ton of press for Robin Williams playing out of character. I did enjoy it. I liked both him and the film better in Insomnia where he did a similar thing.

Two Lovers I've never seen. And frankly don't even remember, so this one may be exactly what you're looking for.

Totally agree with Where The Wild Things Are, which wasn't nearly as fun as I think most people wanted it to be, but was really unique and stuck to it's guns based on a pretty limited source to work from. I loved that movie.

Moon I totally agree with, but you can sell me on any number of subtle, thoughtfull sci-fi from the century.

25th Hour I also really liked. But I'm also a fan of Spike Lee in general, in spite of a lot of the nonsense he tends to include. I really liked Bamboozled actually (terrible accent not withstanding). It feels the least like a Spike Lee movie of all the Spike Lee movies, and it looks great in spots.

If you're looking to include a quality and little seen comedy, Black Dynamite is as good as any I can recall over this time frame.

Being a sucker for emotionally wrought dark humor, Punch Drunk Love was right up my alley, but I also don't know if I'd consider undervalued because of jump it got from Sandler playing a bit off brand, not unlike 1 Hour Photo.

Little Children I probably undervalue because I don't like Patrick Wilson for reasons I can't fully explain. But it is a good watch. I don't know that I'd put it in here. I'm just not sure it's quite good enough.

Assassination of Jesse James is one of my favorite movies ever. And it could qualify as underrated because it was part of such a monster year for films. It is something that film buffs know about. But I'd still say it counts.

I have not seen Behind The Mask, but it sounds awesome.

Adaptation is plays with all kinds of story within a story stuff that I really like. It's slow burning and off beat. It starts that impact car crash trend. It's not for everyone, but I loved it.

Shockingly I've never seen Jarhead. A movie that tried to cross the streams of high end filmgoers and testosterone fuelled action dudes. With enough drama for their girlfriends to say they loved it so they don't feel like they're sticks in the mud. Not unlike Lone Survivor I think, which I also haven't seen yet. To me this is too mainstream to qualify, which I say in spite of the irony of having never seen it.

Y Tu Mama Tambien is also a great movie. And hot. If it's possible for a movie with a title en Espa

ROCSteady
11-25-2014, 09:46 PM
[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]Watchmen.
I watched it and enjoyed it, but it wasn't close to being the revolutionary thing I was led to believe it would be. And it was a huge huge major release that I'm sure was a disappointment to the studios. It was my introduction to Malin Ackermen, so it's got that going for it.

Road to Perdition was an excellent movie, and a major release. It is probably better than it gets credit for because it lives in the shadows of the other mobster movies in it's genre, and is probably better than 95%, but not quite at the elite level.

Didn't see Hugo. Heard good things.

Martha Marcy May Marlene I also didn't see. It's kind of become the running punchline as the arthousiest of arthouse flicks. I have friends who saw it that shocked me that they did and they were of course disappointed, but I don't put much stock on their opinion on the subject.

I'm Not There I really liked, but it is a mish mosh of good and bad. I liked it mostly for the crazy idea of all the different people playing the same part.

Before The Devil Knows You're Dead is one of my favorites. And right up my ally in it's noir, suspense genre. It feels like a small Italian or French movie which seems to excel in this genre. I would say this definitely fits the bill of Undervalued.

The Wackness is a good quirky coming of age flick with a particular point of view, with this wigged out white kid and all the pot. There's a lot of good movies like this. It's a lot a matter of taste. I'd go with Adventureland if I were looking in this genre, although I'd admit this perspective is more unique. This probably fits your bill too.

One Hour Photo was also a major release, and got a ton of press for Robin Williams playing out of character. I did enjoy it. I liked both him and the film better in Insomnia where he did a similar thing.

Two Lovers I've never seen. And frankly don't even remember, so this one may be exactly what you're looking for.

Totally agree with Where The Wild Things Are, which wasn't nearly as fun as I think most people wanted it to be, but was really unique and stuck to it's guns based on a pretty limited source to work from. I loved that movie.

Moon I totally agree with, but you can sell me on any number of subtle, thoughtfull sci-fi from the century.

25th Hour I also really liked. But I'm also a fan of Spike Lee in general, in spite of a lot of the nonsense he tends to include. I really liked Bamboozled actually (terrible accent not withstanding). It feels the least like a Spike Lee movie of all the Spike Lee movies, and it looks great in spots.

If you're looking to include a quality and little seen comedy, Black Dynamite is as good as any I can recall over this time frame.

Being a sucker for emotionally wrought dark humor, Punch Drunk Love was right up my alley, but I also don't know if I'd consider undervalued because of jump it got from Sandler playing a bit off brand, not unlike 1 Hour Photo.

Little Children I probably undervalue because I don't like Patrick Wilson for reasons I can't fully explain. But it is a good watch. I don't know that I'd put it in here. I'm just not sure it's quite good enough.

Assassination of Jesse James is one of my favorite movies ever. And it could qualify as underrated because it was part of such a monster year for films. It is something that film buffs know about. But I'd still say it counts.

I have not seen Behind The Mask, but it sounds awesome.

Adaptation is plays with all kinds of story within a story stuff that I really like. It's slow burning and off beat. It starts that impact car crash trend. It's not for everyone, but I loved it.

Shockingly I've never seen Jarhead. A movie that tried to cross the streams of high end filmgoers and testosterone fuelled action dudes. With enough drama for their girlfriends to say they loved it so they don't feel like they're sticks in the mud. Not unlike Lone Survivor I think, which I also haven't seen yet. To me this is too mainstream to qualify, which I say in spite of the irony of having never seen it.

Y Tu Mama Tambien is also a great movie. And hot. If it's possible for a movie with a title en Espa

Thorpesaurous
11-26-2014, 09:27 AM
:applause: Thank you for the breakdown.

These are just personal palette type stuff that struck a chord with me and didn't get enough love. Could be underexposed or even big movies that didn't get accolades or nominations when they were most certainly qualified.

I'm sure I could have put some different ones on there and swapped others out but I made a list of what came to mind and just started typing.

You should do your own so we can see. You watch a lot of films. Have at it lol


Hey, thanks for writing. I do watch a lot of movies. And I do like talking about them. I'd have a hard time breaking things down like this though. I'm more in the moment with stuff. It's one of the reasons I like writing the reviews I write, because it helps me to remember my thoughts at the time. I do think not enough credence is given to the moment you're watching a movie. You have to be in a certain place in your head to really appreciate different types of movies.

I<3NBA
11-26-2014, 12:45 PM
more than half of the films in the list aren't undervalued and have gained critical praise, and cult following. idk what shit you're on, but you may have a different definition of "undervalued."

Thorpesaurous
11-26-2014, 12:58 PM
Undervalued is one of those words that has way way too much gray area, unless you can tie it to some specific definition of value, like a dollar amount.

CNNonceAgain
11-26-2014, 03:09 PM
Martha Marcy May Marlene I also didn't see. It's kind of become the running punchline as the arthousiest of arthouse flicks. I have friends who saw it that shocked me that they did and they were of course disappointed, but I don't put much stock on their opinion on the subject.




The only thing that wasn't gad awful about that film was John Hawkes.

kentatm
11-26-2014, 03:15 PM
Undervalued Films


Y Tu Mama Tambien

:biggums:

small Spanish language indie flick with a budget of $5million, made $33million at the box office

was directed by Alfonso Cuar

ROCSteady
11-26-2014, 08:37 PM
[QUOTE=kentatm]:biggums:

small Spanish language indie flick with a budget of $5million, made $33million at the box office

was directed by Alfonso Cuar

ROCSteady
11-26-2014, 08:39 PM
The only thing that wasn't gad awful about that film was John Hawkes.


Ok...no. It was just very subdued and vague. Didn't spoon feed anything. The viewer was free to assume a lot just based on character mannerisms and body language.


Was shot marvelously and had excellent editing. Olsen was great in it :confusedshrug:

ROCSteady
11-26-2014, 08:43 PM
more than half of the films in the list aren't undervalued and have gained critical praise, and cult following. idk what shit you're on, but you may have a different definition of "undervalued."


Yet some are so well-done that, to me, still don't have the recognition or familiarity their quality merits.


Some are niche films, some are big budget, some are 'cult' films that deserve to be on a higher plane

CNNonceAgain
11-27-2014, 01:22 AM
Ok...no. It was just very subdued and vague. Didn't spoon feed anything. The viewer was free to assume a lot just based on character mannerisms and body language.


Was shot marvelously and had excellent editing. Olsen was great in it :confusedshrug:

It was boring as and pretentious as all fvck. There was no reason to care about any of the character's and the only interesting on was Hawkes'. Hawkes was also the only one to put in a good performance. Olsen's performance is ridiculously overrated.

The script was shit too.

kentatm
11-27-2014, 01:28 AM
How many people that you've ever talked to that watch movies (which is pretty much 80% of everyone) have ever brought it up? You ever had convo about it in person?

Several actually and yes I've had conversations about it in class in IRL. It was pretty popular on my campus when I was in college and I know quite a few people who owned it.

Hell, it was mentioned at work the other day (to be fair, I work in video production which is why it came up)

ROCSteady
11-27-2014, 02:26 AM
well good I'm glad you associate with people that value such things.


I don't kno many people IRL that have ever heard of it, let alone bring it up, let alone appreciate its artistic poignancy

ROCSteady
11-27-2014, 05:36 PM
Almost all of those movies suck.

It's probably because you have terrible tastes in my regard :pimp:



You're prolly a simple simon or something.

Nastradamus
11-27-2014, 07:56 PM
Great list OP.

Assasination of Jesse James sucked, but the rest was strong

ROCSteady
11-27-2014, 08:05 PM
Thank u, good sir. Happy Thanksgiving

ROCSteady
11-27-2014, 08:07 PM
In Bruges


I feel like In Bruges gets the respect its due from who have seen it. More ppl know about it than a lot of ones on the list.

Plus, I included it in my top 25 personal favorites list

ROCSteady
11-27-2014, 08:12 PM
^great film



The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
Hugo
Adaptation
Jarhead
Y Tu Mama Tambien

TAOJJBTCRF is due any amount of praise it receives. It just lost in the shuffle that year when, in actuality, I'd say it is just as effective as something like There Will Be Blood (also a personal favorite).

Hugo seems like it has no rep ever since the year it was released was over. I find it a charming and beautiful film that is for lovers of all cinema. Good holiday movie that was executed very well.

Adaptation is very polarizing but I thought it was nuanced and clever enough in black humor to garner more praise than what I've seen/heard.

Jarhead is a damn good film entrenched in realism. It felt really organic and the characters were all well cast. Portrays the uncomfortable indifference of deployed life pretty hauntingly imo. Not supposed to be a battle film.