Lakers should be at/around .500 right now.

[ImKobe]

Blew it against the Clippers in the 4th
Blew it against the Suns in the 4th
Blew it @Memphis (Scott sitting Kobe early in the 4th, allowing a big run)
Blew it against Denver in the 4th quarter and OT with Kobe ball
and now blew it against Memphis in the 4th the same way they blew it against Denver, deferring to Kobe and the rest of the team being scoreless in the last 5 minutes

Team could be sitting on a 8-7 record if they showed up in all of these games, realistically 7-7 because you can't win em all, especially the one on the road, but 3-12? :facepalm

they are 1-7 at home :(

How much of it is on the team/coaching staff and how much blame should Kobe be getting? Right now I'd give everyone an equal share of the blame, since no one's showed up.

Scott is a professional NBA coach, how does he not see the same kind of mistakes the team continues to make? If he's an actual coach, he would force Kobe to try to get the team some buckets in the 4th with all the attention he's drawing, Lin would be dribbling the ball less and Wes/Hill/Boozer would be shooting less long 2s and our guards would be jacking up more threes. They haven't even tried that yet. Scott's excuse is "if we had Klay Thompson..." nikka, every team done killed us from 3 and we only played GSW twice, guys have to shoot the three in order to make threes, but you're content with Kobe and Lin being our offense behind the 3pt line....

People who wanted Scott should be feeling real stupid right about now. Say what you want about Mike Brown or D'Antoni, they made adjustments when the team started sucking, and during games. Scott has made ZERO adjustments in 15 games...

[Magic 32]

They play good teams.

They are not a good team.

The end.

[ImKobe]

They play good teams.

They are not a good team.

The end.

So this is your excuse? They have lost winnable games by playing some horrible basketball in crunch time after playing 3 quarters of good team basketball. You don't just turn into the worst team in basketball in the last 5 minutes of a game...

You would be making sense if they lost all of their games by double digits, look at the amount of crunch time losses. Kobe has come through how many times? But they keep going at him, and we keep hearing about him having tired legs. Scott talks about resting him more in the first half, dude still plays 35-38 minutes..

[Mr. Jabbar]

Everytime we are tied/ahead in the score i feel its pure luck or kobe skill. The plays they draw offensively are garbage. Every jumper is contested, no off the ball movement whatsoever to pass to the open man. defensively its a complete joke; interior and perimeter, cant defend a pick n roll to save their lives. our personnel is HOT GARBAGE. we will win when some gets red hot shooting and the other team has an off-night, how often does that happen? my calculations say 1 out of 7 games

[Magic 32]

So this is your excuse? They have lost winnable games by playing some horrible basketball in crunch time after playing 3 quarters of good team basketball.

You just described one of the characteristics of a bad team.

[Bless Mathews]

You just described one of the characteristics of a bad team.


Slayed.

[ImKobe]

Everytime we are tied/ahead in the score i feel its pure luck or kobe skill. The plays they draw offensively are garbage. Every jumper is contested, no off the ball movement whatsoever. defensively its a complete joke; interior and perimeter, cant defend a pick n roll to save their lives. our personnel is HOT GARBAGE. we will win when some gets red hot shooting and the other team has an off-night, how often does that happen? my calculations say 1 out of 7 games


Lakers would have been better off with D'Antoni this season.


true or false?

[ImKobe]

You just described one of the characteristics of a bad team.

So, playing well for 36+ minutes vs playing bad in one stretch makes them a bad team overall? 2012-13 Lakers had the same problem early in the season, we clawed back because guys learned how to win games in 2nd halves/4th quarters. This team is not learning from it's mistakes.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lakers would have been better off with D'Antoni this season.


true or false?

its like asking wether u wanna die drowned or in a fire :applause:

[ImKobe]

its like asking wether u wanna die drowned or in a fire :applause:

Say what you want, but the squad was balling early in the season with guys healthy. So far, this team is healthy outside of some bench players.

This team doesn't know how to execute on offense in crunch time. The plays we run in crunch time are way too predictable.

[sammichoffate]

Say what you want, but the squad was balling early in the season with guys healthy. So far, this team is healthy outside of some bench players.

This team doesn't know how to execute on offense in crunch time. The plays we run in crunch time are way too predictable.I'm all for signing the dudes who worked out with the Lakers. There's nothing to lose at this point, watching this team play is just painful

[MMM]

the team is too reliant on Kobe. Common theme in your losses are letting close games slip in the 4th and Kobe just doesn't have the legs to carry the team down the stretch of games.

To be frank though nobody or not many in their 19th season or whatever it is would be able to carry such a team as well as Kobe is doing but Kobe deserves some of the blame in these outcomes.

I mean if you are going to most likely lose than why not try to preserve yourself for the forth but on the other hand by doing that it probably turns close games into blowouts.

[Mr. Jabbar]

jordan hill has more tattoos than buckets this season

[ImKobe]

the team is too reliant on Kobe. Common theme in your losses are letting close games slip in the 4th and Kobe just doesn't have the legs to carry the team down the stretch of games.

To be frank though nobody or not many in their 19th season or whatever it is would be able to carry such a team as well as Kobe is doing but Kobe deserves some of the blame in these outcomes.

I mean if you are going to most likely lose than why not try to preserve yourself for the forth but on the other hand by doing that it probably turns close games into blowouts.

Exactly. Plus, the coach is an idiot for having played our starting unit when we're down 25+ in the 2nd half...then subs starters out in close games and allows runs, then starters come back to waste all their energy on clawing back, then they don't have anything left to close the game.

It's horrible minutes managing + not knowing how to make adjustments. Team was doing just fine with Kobe not taking any shots at all and it worked all game, suddenly in the 4th they stop doing what worked for them early in the game and Kobe's shot isn't going either...they still try to force it through him.

People that don't watch the games will say it's all on Kobe and that he's being selfish, but dudes are deferring to him in crunch time because they don't know what they're doing. Kobe should be the one bringing up the ball, Hill should be screening for him at the top of the key and then you most likely have two/three options - you let Kobe go for it with his man coming off a screen or Hill gets wide open and you let him shoot an open shot, or maybe they try to double and you give it to Lin or Young for an open 3... So far it's been Lin bringing the ball up and the opposing defense waiting for him to fukk it up, dude dribbles the clock out and Kobe takes a bad shot that hopefully goes in (has been very ineffective in that situation).

When you look at the tapes and see that it isn't working, you should be trying something different... But no....

[MMM]

so how long is it acceptable for the Lakers to play this way??? I don't see things getting better until after the 2016 season and even then it is still a bit unknown. Very strange to see the Lakers punt multiple seasons, are they going to punt next season as well in hopes of the 2016 FAs

[ImKobe]

so how long is it acceptable for the Lakers to play this way??? I don't see things getting better until after the 2016 season and even then it is still a bit unknown. Very strange to see the Lakers punt multiple seasons, are they going to punt next season as well in hopes of the 2016 FAs

All signs point back to the Front Office. It starts with hiring the wrong coaches/signing the wrong players/giving out bad contracts, followed by coaches making bad decisions with the roster they have.

I don't see things getting any better until Jeanie has the nerve to fire his brother.

[Mr. Jabbar]

good news is it cant get any worse, unless da real lambo starts banging kobes mom

[IncarceratedBob]

the refs are blatantly anti laker.. look at the #'s it's sad. imo this is still clearly a playoff team just gotta get healthy

[MMM]

All signs point back to the Front Office. It starts with hiring the wrong coaches/signing the wrong players/giving out bad contracts, followed by coaches making bad decisions with the roster they have.

I don't see things getting any better until Jeanie has the nerve to fire his brother.

management had the right idea of getting their next star via trade but the circumstances just didn't work out.

It crazy how things unraveled pretty quickly for LA;

going into the 2nd half of 2011 i felt lakers were the favs to 3 peat. Lakers get a bit banged up but felt they could retool going into 12. Not sure if they would have competed it if they pulled off the CP3 trade right away but they would have remained a top FA destination for players and coaches with CP3/Kobe.

Mike Brown/Mike Dantoni/Scott aren't really the caliber of coaches the lakers should be hiring. Its surprising to see the job open up so many times already and no marquee personality being interested in it.

[White Mamba]

Blew it against the Clippers in the 4th
Blew it against the Suns in the 4th
Blew it @Memphis (Scott sitting Kobe early in the 4th, allowing a big run)
Blew it against Denver in the 4th quarter and OT with Kobe ball
and now blew it against Memphis in the 4th the same way they blew it against Denver, deferring to Kobe and the rest of the team being scoreless in the last 5 minutes

Team could be sitting on a 8-7 record if they showed up in all of these games, realistically 7-7 because you can't win em all, especially the one on the road, but 3-12? :facepalm

they are 1-7 at home :(

How much of it is on the team/coaching staff and how much blame should Kobe be getting? Right now I'd give everyone an equal share of the blame, since no one's showed up.

Scott is a professional NBA coach, how does he not see the same kind of mistakes the team continues to make? If he's an actual coach, he would force Kobe to try to get the team some buckets in the 4th with all the attention he's drawing, Lin would be dribbling the ball less and Wes/Hill/Boozer would be shooting less long 2s and our guards would be jacking up more threes. They haven't even tried that yet. Scott's excuse is "if we had Klay Thompson..." nikka, every team done killed us from 3 and we only played GSW twice, guys have to shoot the three in order to make threes, but you're content with Kobe and Lin being our offense behind the 3pt line....

People who wanted Scott should be feeling real stupid right about now. Say what you want about Mike Brown or D'Antoni, they made adjustments when the team started sucking, and during games. Scott has made ZERO adjustments in 15 games...

I dont like the way Lin playing PG, sorry.
If you remember how much Melo's game suffered back then when he played with Lin, the same goes for kobe's game especially in the fourth quarter of games, he just can't find a way to get kobe good looks, and he never pass it to kobe early in the offense. just bad basketball all around (conley was scoring whenever he wanted too over lin, price did better job).

[KG215]

The OP in the thread almost perfectly describes the Thunder this season: lead or stay close for 3 to 3.5 quarters, then fall apart in the 4th and lose a close game. Fortunately for OKC, they're returning the second best player in the world and one of the 5-7 best players in the world very soon.

[konex]

We cannot get stops when it counts and we make too may dumb mistakes. We lost this game when Sacre fouled Gasol on rebounds 2 times in a row leading to 4 fts late. Margin of error is too small for ridiculous stuff like that

[fpliii]

Doesn't help that this is statistically the worse defense in league history, pro-rated to a full season. There will probably be some regression (and I'm sure it's not *the* worst 15 game defensive stretch of all-time), but if you can't get stops, you can't take the lead, or even hold onto early leads if your offense is firing on all cylinders.

I think we need to find out if Ed Davis is capable of playing heavy minutes. If not, a move has to be made. Obviously nobody on the roster, in the front office, or in the fanbase has or had any delusions of making the playoffs, but even if the goal is to tank, you need to put a solid foundation together.

Marc Gasol would be perfect for this team, and is a free agent next year. He's 29 now, will be 30 going into next season, but his game isn't predicated on athleticism, so he should age well. IMO pretty unlikely he leaves Memphis though (and I think there were rumblings that SA was targeting him?). No clue who else is on the market. Maybe a disgruntled Larry Sanders?

[HOoopCityJones]

Lin is especially a ****ing bum stat padder. This guy purposely stops shooting to protect his shooting numbers, then cries after games about trust when he should be taking about his aggression.

[sammichoffate]

Doesn't help that this is statistically the worse defense in league history, pro-rated to a full season. There will probably be some regression (and I'm sure it's not *the* worst 15 game defensive stretch of all-time), but if you can't get stops, you can't take the lead, or even hold onto early leads if your offense is firing on all cylinders.

I think we need to find out if Ed Davis is capable of playing heavy minutes. If not, a move has to be made. Obviously nobody on the roster, in the front office, or in the fanbase has or had any delusions of making the playoffs, but even if the goal is to tank, you need to put a solid foundation together.

Marc Gasol would be perfect for this team, and is a free agent next year. He's 29 now, will be 30 going into next season, but his game isn't predicated on athleticism, so he should age well. IMO pretty unlikely he leaves Memphis though (and I think there were rumblings that SA was targeting him?). No clue who else is on the market. Maybe a disgruntled Larry Sanders?Marc ain't coming if he gets MVP this year, that's for damn sure

[coin24]

Should be at .500?:lol :facepalm

The team is complete shit, no defense, no coaching, pathetic front office...

A top 5 pick isnt going to achieve anything, theres no other talent on the team outside of Kobe and seeing as hes in his 19th season not exactly a building block for the future:oldlol: This disaster will take at least 5 years to fix, we had cap space for this season and look what Mitch ( realistically Buss) did with it:facepalm

All those years of giving away draft picks has screwed the Lakers, especially that horrible Nash deal bidding against themselves:facepalm


Just enjoy watching the Mamba :bowdown:

[AirFederer]

Everytime we are tied/ahead in the score i feel its pure luck or kobe skill. The plays they draw offensively are garbage. Every jumper is contested, no off the ball movement whatsoever to pass to the open man. defensively its a complete joke; interior and perimeter, cant defend a pick n roll to save their lives. KOBE is HOT GARBAGE. we will win when some gets red hot shooting and the other team has an off-night, how often does that happen? my calculations say 1 out of 7 games

Or you could just be honest, and admit it has all to with this guy :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSe80qSgXVA

[SexSymbol]

Why have you resorted to trolling, OP?

[FKAri]

Lakers are bad top to bottom. The coach is terrible. The franchise player is terrible. Wes, Booz, Lin, JHill are all terrible. bench, picks, cap situation. all sucks.

[pastis]

wow not a word about chucker kobe?only about bad coaching, bad teamm8s of kobe?

look, everyone has to accept that his favorite player plays fcking bad.

after the houston game i criticized dirk a lot for missing open 3s etc. where is the point about it?

i mean, that kobe NEVER was a clutch player is a well known fact, he is one of the worst "clutch-player" in his top 20 range. this myth is slayed by facts, a myth born to kobe stans and huge LA and NBA media, cause they need a selling machine.

but right now he is playing so bad in the clutch...that is just incredible...im not saying, that he wont get better...because he will, nobody can play so bad about a whole season. he will get better and will wins for his team, ending the season with 45% shooting, wich is good for a shooter. he will have very good stretches, mediocore games and bad games as well. where is the pro to accept it?


ps: is there a coherence in the fact kobe taking below 18 shots and la only losing by few points?

[oarabbus]

wow not a word about chucker kobe?only about bad coaching, bad teamm8s of kobe?

look, everyone has to accept that his favorite player plays fcking bad.

after the houston game i criticized dirk a lot for missing open 3s etc. where is the point about it?

i mean, that kobe NEVER was a clutch player is a well known fact, he is one of the worst "clutch-player" in his top 20 range. this myth is slayed by facts, a myth born to kobe stans and huge LA and NBA media, cause they need a selling machine.

but right now he is playing so bad in the clutch...that is just incredible...im not saying, that he wont get better...because he will, nobody can play so bad about a whole season. he will get better and will wins for his team, ending the season with 45% shooting, wich is good for a shooter. he will have very good stretches, mediocore games and bad games as well. where is the pro to accept it?


ps: is there a coherence in the fact kobe taking below 18 shots and la only losing by few points?


:roll: they've literally blamed every other player on the roster

[gcvbcat]

why aren't kobe's shots dropping?

[kennethgriffin]

what you people have to understand is that the lakers have such a bad rep right now that teams arent even giving 100% throughout the game. then they actually turn it on at the end

this is why we're tied or in the game and sometimes even ahead halfway through

if every single time these teams are kicking our asses in the 4th. maybe theres a more realistic reason behind this happening than "lakers blew it"

if that were the case then OP would be right on the money in we being more around 500 or below a game or 2

but we're battling for the worst record in the league. this isnt a fluke people


WE JUST F*CKING SUCK is all

[KungFuJoe]

Get rid of Kobe and this team will compete. Will they win? Dunno...but they will compete. Which is something they don't do now. they basically wait for a team to slit their own throat and roll over for them.

Anyone who's ever played ball knows what I'm talking about

Nobody wants to play with a ball hog who doesn't play defense and bricks shot after shot. It makes you not want to try or play hard because wtf is the point?...you ain't gettin the ball in crunch time anyways.

The reason why this team struggles late in close games is because they have no experience actually HAVING the ball in their hands.

[coin24]

I see all the betas came out to play:oldlol: