Which record will last longest?

[Marchesk]

100 points
55 rebounds
double tripple double (22, 25, 21)

[noob cake]

55 rebounds

[red1]

dose Kobe bricks

[Marchesk]

Agreed

[plowking]

Double triple double isn't really a record...

[sammichoffate]

55 Rebounds

[Marchesk]

Double triple double isn't really a record...

Right, but it's only been done one time, officially. I wanted to add blocked shots, but Wilt's are unofficial, and there's no way to know what his highest total was.

Elmore Smith has held the official record of 17 since 1973. That's a long time, although Manute came close.

[Collie]

100 points and 55 rebounds are both virtually impossible, but Kobe came within 19 points, so it MIGHT happen one day (for example a team like this year's 76ers with a MJ/Kobe-like mentality scorer).

55 rebounds though? A whole team with 55 rebounds would already have a great rebounding day, let alone a single player. I don't see this broker unless something changes the game drastically.

[PHILA]

Of the three, probably the 55 rebounds. But his record in playing 48.5 minutes per game one season is as impressive as any.


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[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain holds a TON of records that likely will never be broken.

27.2 rpg/season
50.4 ppg/season
48.5 mpg/season

And how about these...




Aside from Chamberlain, there have been 36 30-30 games in NBA history, and Russell is the leader of that group, with 7 (Bellamy and Thurmond are next with 3 each.)

How about Wilt? 132.


40-30 (or 30-40) games: Other than Wilt, the NBA has had 9 40-30 games, with Baylor being the only player to have 2.

Chamberlain? 73


50-30 games: Pettit and Baylor each with 1

Wilt? 32


60-20 games: Aside from Wilt, there have been four (Baylor with 3 and Shaq with 1)

Chamberlain? 28


60-30 games: Baylor with 1

Wilt? 8


40-40 games: There have been 8 in the history of the NBA, and Chamberlain had all of them.


50-40 games: Obviously, Wilt would be the only player to have ever have accomplsihed that feat, which he did 5 times.


70-30 games: Chamberlain has the only 2, 78-43 and 73-36 (against Bellamy.)




And this "streak record" is never going to be approached...

Highest scoring game...100 pts
Hghest scoring consecutive games...161
Highest scoring total over a 3 game stretch...226
Highest scoring total over a 4 game period...293
Highest scoring total over a 5 game stretch...351

And you could continue that over a full 80 game season... 4029

And given that Chamberlain averaged 39.6 ppg in his first seven seasons combined...that extends to around 500+ games. Or that Wilt averaged 34 ppg over the course of his first 11 seasons...or around 800 straight games.


Then, you could probably do the same for rebounding marks.

BTW, there have been a total of 28 40+ rebound games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has 15 of them.

And given the fact that Chamberlain AVERAGED 24.8 rpg thru his first eight seasons...COMBINED, well, the next greatest SINGLE season in NBA history, other than by Wilt, was Russell at 24.7 rpg...you get the picture.


And up until this season, I honestly believed that Wilt's .727 single season FG% mark might stand forever, too, with players like DeAndre Jordan, Tyson Chandler, and Brandan Wright only taking dunk attempts, it MIGHT fall.

I doubt his 35 straight made FGAs will be broken, and certainly not in the span of only 3 games.

Blocked shots? Wilt has had estimated games of 30+, but he also had the highest KNOWN and RECORDED game in NBA history, with 23 blocked shots in a nationally televised game in 1968 (and SI confirmed the totals BTW.)


I could go on...including POST-SEASON records...like most 35-20 post-seasons. Or most 30-20 post-seasons. Or most 20-20 post-seasons, etc. Same with post-season series. Most 35-20 post-season series. Most 30-30 post-season series. Most 30-20 post-season series. Most 25-20 post-season series. Most 20-20 post-season series. Or most post-season 50-30 games. Or most 50-20 post-season games. Or most post-season games of 50+points in a must-win game.

Iron-man records? The man averaged 45.8 mpg in his entire CAREER. And as remarkable as that is... how about his 47.2 mpg in his 160 post-season game CAREER?


And, he has SEVERAL KNOWN QUAD DOUBLE games. Had blocked shots been "officially" recorded, and he likely would have 20-30, maybe even 40 in his career. Same with triple-doubles. Wilt had an OFFICIAL 78 triple-doubles in his career, but had blocked shots been kept, it would likely be in the hundreds (and I mean hundred(s).)

[tgan3]

55 rebounds, wilt did it in an era of 6'6 white centers...nah just kidding
you can go gunslinger style and get 100 points but theres no way you can get 55 rebounds in the modern era..

[DaRkJaWs]

55 rebounds, wilt did it in an era of 6'6 white centers...nah just kidding
you can go gunslinger style and get 100 points but theres no way you can get 55 rebounds in the modern era..
Shut up kid.

http://estaticos.marca.com/imagenes/2014/11/24/baloncesto/nba/noticias/1416806232_extras_noticia_foton_7_0.jpg

Show me ANY pic you want since 1980 with someone's fingers reaching that high (in the picture wilt has a closed fist...if his hand was open his fingers would basically be touching the top of the backboard, which, BTW, he was known to do. Kid.

(Edit: I see your nah just kidding comment now :p. but at least you got to see a pic I'm sure none of us have seen before.

[DaRkJaWs]

If wilts 30+ blocks in various games were recorded, and hence more triple and quadruple doubles recorded, he'd have the most of those in nba history. I agree in that he'd have 20-30 quad doubles had they been recorded.

[Pointguard]

100 points
55 rebounds
double tripple double (22, 25, 21)
To me 100 points might be achieved and should be the easiest.

While the double triple double is highly unlikely its numbers are not super crazy alone. Rebounders rarely get to 25 these days (once every two years?) and assist rarely get to 20 (once a year???) what are the odds of the two big mixmatches ever teaming up? With 20 points?

55 rebounds... isn't going to happen in a 48 minute game unless a 14 second shot clock is going to happen.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shut up kid.

http://estaticos.marca.com/imagenes/2014/11/24/baloncesto/nba/noticias/1416806232_extras_noticia_foton_7_0.jpg

Show me ANY pic you want since 1980 with someone's fingers reaching that high (in the picture wilt has a closed fist...if his hand was open his fingers would basically be touching the top of the backboard, which, BTW, he was known to do. Kid.

(Edit: I see your nah just kidding comment now :p. but at least you got to see a pic I'm sure none of us have seen before.
http://s17.postimg.org/9rkvb4wbz/image.jpg

Deceiving angle unless you think the players next to Wilt who were not even jumping are 7'5".

[NZStreetBaller]

55 rebounds. there would have to be 55 missed shots and you would have to get em all.

Q. whats the average missed shots per game in todays game?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://i.imgur.com/dC5HJmm.jpg

Mikan's 83.3% will never be beaten.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i.imgur.com/dC5HJmm.jpg

Mikan's 83.3% will never be beaten.
Perhaps the greatest record of them all.

[NZStreetBaller]

I think durant has the ability to beat wilts 100 if he went for it. had a hot night against a poor defensive team and decided to chuck like hell.

[NZStreetBaller]

http://i.imgur.com/dC5HJmm.jpg

Mikan's 83.3% will never be beaten.

what was his ppg??

[Psileas]

55 rebounds among these 3, definitely.
In the end, the one Wilt record that will never go away is the one of most NBA records broken and owned by a single player.


what was his ppg??

His point total that game was 15. :oldlol:

[swagga]

55 rebounds is impossible today.

put rodman in the 50s/60s and he breaks 60.

[imdaman99]

You would need a run and gun brickfest to ever get that many rebounds. And you would have to be missing your shots as well, because no way does anyone in the NBA continue running up the score after up 30.

[La Frescobaldi]

http://s17.postimg.org/9rkvb4wbz/image.jpg

Deceiving angle unless you think the players next to Wilt who were not even jumping are 7'5".

yeah angles can be deceptive. Nevertheless, Deuce, you & I have an urgent sense of inquiry, so let's examine it more closely.

Celtics #14, of course, is Mr. Basketball, who stood 6'1" tho not standing straight in this picture.
Even allowing for angles (and in fact they are actually a distinct disadvantage from this perspective), Chamberlain's belt buckle is 5 or 6 inches above the top of Cousy's head... using Russell's arm as a kind of a reference, in a way, see?
Chamberlain was 7'1" so standing his belt would have been about 42" off the floor (~ 3 1/2 feet).
So 79" - 42" ~ 37" vertical here, very roughly estimating of course.
He's about 4 or 5 inches shy of the top in that picture.... or about the highest Dwight Howard got.... by sprinting on an empty court.
Of course it's not just the vertical that gets him so high but the arm span and reach also.
And of course we've seen him get higher vertical than this in a game clip, haven't we Deuce?

[LAZERUSS]

yeah angles can be deceptive. Nevertheless, Deuce, you & I have an urgent sense of inquiry, so let's examine it more closely.

Celtics #14, of course, is Mr. Basketball, who stood 6'1" tho not standing straight in this picture.
Even allowing for angles (and in fact they are actually a distinct disadvantage from this perspective), Chamberlain's belt buckle is 5 or 6 inches above the top of Cousy's head... using Russell's arm as a kind of a reference, in a way, see?
Chamberlain was 7'1" so standing his belt would have been about 42" off the floor (~ 3 1/2 feet).
So 79" - 42" ~ 37" vertical here, very roughly estimating of course.
He's about 4 or 5 inches shy of the top in that picture.... or about the highest Dwight Howard got.... by sprinting on an empty court.
Of course it's not just the vertical that gets him so high but the arm span and reach also.
And of course we've seen him get higher vertical than this in a game clip, haven't we Deuce?

There have been EYE-WITNESS accounts of Wilt touching the top of the back-board (Sonny Hill and longtime Sixer Trainer, Al Domenico.)

Furthermore, Wilt was dunking basketballs on a 12 ft rim in college. Just using basic math for that achievement...

Wilt had a standing reach of 9'6". Dunking on a 12 ft rim with a 10" diameter basketball, and allowing for at least 1-2" over the rim...or about 13 ft....

13' - 9'6" = 42 inches.

Of course, we KNOW that Wilt was a college HIGH-JUMP champion, (part-time and with poor technique)...so a 42" vertical was very possible.

[La Frescobaldi]

9 triple doubles in a row is another prolly unbreakable record, as is .73% from the field for the season... or 227 double double games in a row


but what about 35 field goals in a row? That's just taking drastic action right into the face of the enemy because they knew what he was doing and couldn't even foul him to find their way out of that devastation

[LAZERUSS]

yeah angles can be deceptive. Nevertheless, Deuce, you & I have an urgent sense of inquiry, so let's examine it more closely.

Celtics #14, of course, is Mr. Basketball, who stood 6'1" tho not standing straight in this picture.
Even allowing for angles (and in fact they are actually a distinct disadvantage from this perspective), Chamberlain's belt buckle is 5 or 6 inches above the top of Cousy's head... using Russell's arm as a kind of a reference, in a way, see?
Chamberlain was 7'1" so standing his belt would have been about 42" off the floor (~ 3 1/2 feet).
So 79" - 42" ~ 37" vertical here, very roughly estimating of course.
He's about 4 or 5 inches shy of the top in that picture.... or about the highest Dwight Howard got.... by sprinting on an empty court.
Of course it's not just the vertical that gets him so high but the arm span and reach also.
And of course we've seen him get higher vertical than this in a game clip, haven't we Deuce?

BTW...this is a great reply.

And kudos to DaRkJaWs who came up with that photograph.

The "Wilt-bashers" go out of their way to disparage ANY of Chamberlain's physical or statistical feats.

I have long said that if there was actual footage of Chamberlain doing a back-flip over the top of the back-board, that the "bashers" would claim it was in a "weak-era" and against "6-5 white guys."

[LAZERUSS]

Well-respected sports-writer George Kiseda...

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/aug/22/sports/sp-dwyre22


Kiseda cites Chamberlain's incredible athleticism.

"I saw him palm a bowling ball," he says. "I also saw him go up for a jump ball against K.C. Jones and tip it in. I saw him standing in a hospital gown, in a room with a high ceiling, and jump at least 42 inches straight up and palm the ceiling."


And how about a Tex Winter interview...(starting at the 3:15 mark)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk


He legislated the banning of dunking of FT's BECAUSE of WILT.

[HomieWeMajor]

Of the three, probably the 55 rebounds. But his record in playing 48.5 minutes per game one season is as impressive as any.


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This only means that he was so concerned with padding his stats that he played every minute during blow outs.

[G0ATbe]

81. Never will we see a scoring outburst like that again. Unless it's by Godbe. Or the league somehow goes back to 1900s rules and weak player calibre.

[Psileas]

9 triple doubles in a row is another prolly unbreakable record, as is .73% from the field for the season... or 227 double double games in a row


but what about 35 field goals in a row? That's just taking drastic action right into the face of the enemy because they knew what he was doing and couldn't even foul him to find their way out of that devastation

And the bolded is "ONLY" that high because of a couple of needless early injuries and ejections in 1960, 1963 and 1965. A slightly healthier Wilt would have set the DD streak record at 600+ games.

[aj1987]

55 rebounds. there would have to be 55 missed shots and you would have to get em all.

Q. whats the average missed shots per game in todays game?
It was ~45 last season.

[Pointguard]

9 triple doubles in a row is another prolly unbreakable record, as is .73% from the field for the season... or 227 double double games in a row


but what about 35 field goals in a row? That's just taking drastic action right into the face of the enemy because they knew what he was doing and couldn't even foul him to find their way out of that devastation
It doesn't seem like that big of number, 227, for Wilt actually. I was expecting four or five seasons. I also think that Oscar could have pulled off 227 DD. I think he averaged 5 years with the triple double?

[Pointguard]

And the bolded is "ONLY" that high because of a couple of needless early injuries and ejections in 1960, 1963 and 1965. A slightly healthier Wilt would have set the DD streak record at 600+ games.
Yes, This.

[LAZERUSS]

It was ~45 last season.

That is per team.

Per game, by two teams, was 90.4.

Furthermore, that does not include missed FTs that were potential rebounds.

[Fazotronic]

Of the three, probably the 55 rebounds. But his record in playing 48.5 minutes per game one season is as impressive as any.


nobody is going to play their superstars 48min per game in todays game.
no matter how good they would do. its retarded. esp considering every blowout game.
it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

infact thats just shows you some serious stat padding bs.

[LAZERUSS]

nobody is going to play their superstars 48min per game in todays game.
no matter how good they would do. its retarded. esp considering every blowout game.
it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

infact thats just shows you some serious stat padding bs.

How about the PLAYOFFS then? Where every game is important, and many are "do-or-die"? Wilt played in 160 PLAYOFF games in his CAREER, and guess what his MPG average was....

47.2 MPG.

[Fazotronic]

How about the PLAYOFFS then? Where every game is important, and many are "do-or-die"? Wilt played in 160 PLAYOFF games in his CAREER, and guess what his MPG average was....

47.2 MPG.

don't change much. you still wouldn't do it today. not even wilt.
besides the playoffs didn't really bring the best out of him

[L.Kizzle]

Walt Bellamy 88 games in one season.

[Psileas]

nobody is going to play their superstars 48min per game in todays game.
no matter how good they would do. its retarded. esp considering every blowout game.
it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

infact thats just shows you some serious stat padding bs.

Yeah, that 3 point blowout really helped Wilt pad his stats. :lol

[La Frescobaldi]

It doesn't seem like that big of number, 227, for Wilt actually. I was expecting four or five seasons. I also think that Oscar could have pulled off 227 DD. I think he averaged 5 years with the triple double?
"Players with the most consecutive double-doubles in NBA history

1. Wilt Chamberlain - 227

Wilt Chamberlain holds the NBA record for most consecutive games with a double-double at 227.

Looking over Wilt Chamberlain's career, Wilt had five full seasons when he had double-doubles in every single game. Those five seasons were 1960-61 (79 games), 1961-62 (80 games), 1963-64 (80 games), 1965-66 (79 games), and 1966-67 (81 games).

So Wilt's 227 consecutive game streak of double-doubles had to include the 1960-61 and 1961-62 seasons, or the 1965-66 and 1966-67 seasons.

2. Wilt Chamberlain - 220

Wilt Chamberlain also has the NBA record for the second longest streak of consecutive double-double games at 220. As discussed above, Wilt's streak of 220 consecutive double-doubles had to include two of the five seasons in which he had double-doubles in every game.

So his 220 game streak of consecutive double-doubles included in either the 1961 and 1962 seasons, or the 1966 and 1967 seasons.

In addition to five full seasons during which he had double-doubles in every single game, Wilt also had four more seasons, 1959-60 (71 of 72 games), 1962-63 (79 of 80 games), 1964-65 (72 of 73), and 1967-68 (81 of 82), when he only had one game where he did not record a double-double.

3. Wilt Chamberlain - 133

Wilt Chamberlain also holds the NBA record for the third longest streak of consecutive double-double games at 133. This streak of continuous double-doubles had to include the entire 1963-64 season.

For his career, Wilt Chamberlain had the most double-doubles of any NBA player with 968. Wilt recorded a double-double in 92.6% of the games he played in the NBA.

From his rookie season in 1959-60 through the 1967-68 season, Wilt Chamberlain had just four games in which he did not record a double-double. Over that time frame, Wilt had 702 double-doubles in 706 games.

From the 1969 season on, Wilt Chamberlain had 266 double-doubles in 339 games. While nowhere close to his previous production, Wilt Chamberlain still had a double-double in 78.5% of the NBA games he played in from 1968 to the end of his career in 1973. That is a higher percentage of double-double games than any NBA player has today.

Most consecutive double-doubles since the 1973-74 season

Elvin Hayes - 55
Elvin Hayes had 55 consecutive double-double games during the 1973-74 season (one game was actually from the season before). That is the longest streak of continuous double-doubles since that time. Elvin Hayes has the third most double-doubles in NBA history with 890.

Second most consecutive double-doubles since 1973-74

Kevin Love - 53
Kevin Love made a lot of news when he recorded double-doubles in 53 consecutive games during the 2010-11 season. That was the second longest stretch of continuous double-double games since the 1973-74 season.

To date, Kevin Love has recorded double-doubles in 191 of 287 games played, or 66.6% of his games. That's a great percentage, but it is not the highest percentage among active players though, as Dwight Howard has recorded 481 double-doubles in 664 games (72.4%)."

[Marchesk]

Walt Bellamy 88 games in one season.

LOL, good one.

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah, that 3 point blowout really helped Wilt pad his stats. :lol


Yep...and while Chamberlain played all 48 minutes in that game, so did Russell, whom he managed to "out-statspad" on the glass, 55-19.

[LAZERUSS]

nobody is going to play their superstars 48min per game in todays game.
no matter how good they would do. its retarded. esp considering every blowout game.
it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

infact thats just shows you some serious stat padding bs.


In that 61-62 season, Wilt played in seven games which went into overtime, and played every minute of them. His team went 4-3, and in those games here were his numbers...

78 points, 43 rebounds
59 points, 36 rebounds
41 points, 28 rebounds
62 points, 23 rebounds
62 points, 23 rebounds (yes, another one)
50 points, 20 rebounds
34 points, 33 rebounds, (oh, and the newspaper recap claimed at least 20 blocked shots.)

Overall, this "stats-padder" choked his way to these averages in his OT games...

55.1 ppg and 29.4 rpg.

[Fazotronic]

yea sure just keep acting like its not a known fact that he did play in many blowout games.
whatever makes you guys sleep better.
its the truth and wilt himself said he was expected to score so much no matter what.
negging me won't change that.

[LAZERUSS]

yea sure just keep acting like its not a known fact that he did play in many blowout games.
whatever makes you guys sleep better.
its the truth and wilt himself said he was expected to score so much no matter what.
negging me won't change that.

Virtually EVERY player has played in blow-out games. In Shaq's 61 point game, against a 12-47 Clippers team, and in a 20 point win, O'Neal played 45 minutes. Furthermore, he was played by a center (the bust Olawakandi) for 14 minutes, and then a collection of PF's after that...none of whom had any interest in the game.

And how about players like David Robinson, George Gervin, and David Thompson, shot-jacking in their last games in an attempt to win scoring titles?

In Wilt's 62-63 season, he averaged 47.6 mpg, and scored 44.8 ppg. His team was involved in only EIGHT games which were decided by 20+ points (and they went 4-4 in them), and 55 of their 80 games were decided by single digits.

Of course, this "stats-padder" generally played almost every minute of every game, his entire CAREER. He was playing 43 mpg in his LAST season at age 36 (and 47.1 mpg in 17 playoff games.)

He played every minute of the '68 EDF's, which was a tightly contested seven game series...and all with a similar injury to what basically rendered Willis Reed to a statue in the '70 Finals (and he missed one-half of one game, three quarters of another, and completely missed yet another.) Do you honestly believe that he was interested in stats in that series?

And let me ask you this...do you think Kareem was a "stats-padder?"

Incidently I just gave you a positive rep. Not because you deserved it, but to let you know it was not me who negged you. Personally, I could not care less about this "repping system."

Oh, BTW, I see that you negged me. Now I am going to lose sleep, and likely will have to visit a therapist. Thanks alot.

[Asukal]

30>22>18 = 2 :rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

30>22>18 = 2 :rolleyes:

The NBA RECORD BOOK is plastered with his RECORDS, including MANY POST-SEASON records.

BTW, give me the list of "GOATS" who put up THREE 50+ point games in "must-win" playoff games. In fact, aside from Wilt, give me a GOAT who had even ONE.

Oh, and where does Wilt rank in post-season PPG in "must-win" playoff games? Surely this "choker" must be near the bottom, right? THIRD. His 31.1 ppg average (in 23 "must-win" games) is just behind Lebron's 31.8, and MJ's 31.3 ppg.

BTW, how about Wilt's post-season REBOUNDING? True, Russell has a higher career average (24.9 rpg to Wilt's 24.5), BUT, when Russell retired in 1969, Chamberlain's average at the time was 26.3 rpg. And, the two went H2H in EIGHT playoff series, and guess what...Wilt held an...wait for it... 8-0 advantage.

And how about Finals' FG%'s? Chamberlain shot .559 from the field in his SIX Finals (and, just like his RPG, he ELEVATED that number over his career FG%.) And in the process, he held his opposing centers (and in EVERY series he faced a HOF starting center)...to a combined .439 FG%.

[Psileas]

yea sure just keep acting like its not a known fact that he did play in many blowout games.
whatever makes you guys sleep better.
its the truth and wilt himself said he was expected to score so much no matter what.
negging me won't change that.

Stop trying to twist things in order to fit your foolish agenda. This is what you quoted on Wilt's 55 rebound game:

it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

And your excuse was that Wilt played too many minutes in blowout games, which is completely irrelevant here, because this was a fiercely contested game to the very end - Russell played 48 minutes as well. Stat-padding my ass.

Negging us won't change this.

[LAZERUSS]

Stop trying to twist things in order to fit your foolish agenda. This is what you quoted on Wilt's 55 rebound game:

it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

And your excuse was that Wilt played too many minutes in blowout games, which is completely irrelevant here, because this was a fiercely contested game to the very end - Russell played 48 minutes as well. Stat-padding my ass.

Negging us won't change this.

Of course you know this, but it should be pointed out to the "bashers" as well. Chamberlain played almost every minute of every playoff game in his career. In one of them in his rookie season, he only played 35 minutes. Why? Because he had badly injured his shooting hand in a melee near the end of the previous game. The final score of that game... a 120-90 loss. And in that game, Russell played 40 minutes. The "stats-padding" Russell had arguably his greatest game EVER against Wilt, too. He outscored Chamberlain, 26-12, (and on 12-24 shooting, which was a RARE FG% for him against Chamberlain in their 143 career matchups), and outrebounded Wilt by a staggering 39-15 margin.

[Fazotronic]

Stop trying to twist things in order to fit your foolish agenda. This is what you quoted on Wilt's 55 rebound game:

it really isn't as impressive as other records at all.

And your excuse was that Wilt played too many minutes in blowout games, which is completely irrelevant here, because this was a fiercely contested game to the very end - Russell played 48 minutes as well. Stat-padding my ass.

Negging us won't change this.

i never said anything about his 55 rebound game.
i only said his 48min per game wasn't as impressive as other records including wilts other records.
don't make shit up and pls don't point the finger at me when iam the one getting negged. in your case you negged me for something i didn't even said.
gratz


Virtually EVERY player has played in blow-out games. In Shaq's 61 point game, against a 12-47 Clippers team, and in a 20 point win, O'Neal played 45 minutes. Furthermore, he was played by a center (the bust Olawakandi) for 14 minutes, and then a collection of PF's after that...none of whom had any interest in the game.

And how about players like David Robinson, George Gervin, and David Thompson, shot-jacking in their last games in an attempt to win scoring titles?

In Wilt's 62-63 season, he averaged 47.6 mpg, and scored 44.8 ppg. His team was involved in only EIGHT games which were decided by 20+ points (and they went 4-4 in them), and 55 of their 80 games were decided by single digits.

Of course, this "stats-padder" generally played almost every minute of every game, his entire CAREER. He was playing 43 mpg in his LAST season at age 36 (and 47.1 mpg in 17 playoff games.)

He played every minute of the '68 EDF's, which was a tightly contested seven game series...and all with a similar injury to what basically rendered Willis Reed to a statue in the '70 Finals (and he missed one-half of one game, three quarters of another, and completely missed yet another.) Do you honestly believe that he was interested in stats in that series?

And let me ask you this...do you think Kareem was a "stats-padder?"

Incidently I just gave you a positive rep. Not because you deserved it, but to let you know it was not me who negged you. Personally, I could not care less about this "repping system."

Oh, BTW, I see that you negged me. Now I am going to lose sleep, and likely will have to visit a therapist. Thanks alot.

there is a big difference doing this sometimes and doing it for a whole season.
i make it simple because i worked all day and im tired.
the thing you don't seem to understand is that if we made a clone of wilt and put him in todays game and call him john there is noway they would let him play 48min. per game.
that means that in a wilt vs john comparison in which we don't know that john is wilt himself, you would use this against john even thou its the same person.
the coach that benched him because he is smart (or lets say he isn't stupid) would actually diminish johns legacy because of ppl like you that don't take things like this into consideration.

esp. when ppl say that its just AS impressive as any record clearly shows that you guys don't even think about this much and then im the one with an agenda:rolleyes:

[Asukal]

i never said anything about his 55 rebound game.
i only said his 48min per game wasn't as impressive as other records including wilts other records.
don't make shit up and pls don't point the finger at me when iam the one getting negged. in your case you negged me for something i didn't even said.
gratz



there is a big difference doing this sometimes and doing it for a whole season.
i make it simple because i worked all day and im tired.
the thing you don't seem to understand is that if we made a clone of wilt and put him in todays game and call him john there is noway they would let him play 48min. per game.
that means that in a wilt vs john comparison in which we don't know that john is wilt himself, you would use this against john even thou its the same person.
the coach that benched him because he is smart (or lets say he isn't stupid) would actually diminish johns legacy because of ppl like you that don't take things like this into consideration.

esp. when ppl say that its just AS impressive as any record clearly shows that you guys don't even think about this much and then im the one with an agenda:rolleyes:

Yes these old stans never take into consideration the era he played in. Many of his records are not possible today even if Wilt himself in his prime is playing now. The game has changed.

[WallIn]

It would be quite a feat for a single player to grab over 40 rebounds in a 3OT/4OT game but 55? It's impossible.

[La Frescobaldi]

Yes these old stans never take into consideration the era he played in. Many of his records are not possible today even if Wilt himself in his prime is playing now. The game has changed.

50ppg was insanely impossible then too though man. And so were all these records we're talking about.

Look here - - check out bbref. If you take Chamberlain off the table - number 2 guy on each season becomes #1, #3 becomes #2 and so forth..... and look at the scoring leaders, assist leaders.... every stat you can find except rebounding....... it looks just like 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005... none of the other numbers have changed at all. Scoring leaders got 28-35 in the 60s, 70s, right up to today.

Blaming the insane numbers on the era would mean that the other guys were blowing past guys like Jordan or Durant on the regular. But you don't see that at all. Of course the pace was faster in those days; fans would literally walk out if the teams played slow paced, half-court sets. Nobody wanted to see that, and none of the players liked that style either. Boring. Thus rebound numbers are off the charts everywhere you look in the '60s.,

Not only that but if the era was so easy how come Chamberlain is the only guy in the all time scoring top 10? Why is he the ONLY guy from that era still in the top 10.... or for that matter in any category you please?

The weak era thing is just.... weak. Find a better reason than that one because it's invalid right on its face.

[hahaitme]

BR's 11 rings
+
Oscar averaging a trip dub for a season.

[Asukal]

50ppg was insanely impossible then too though man. And so were all these records we're talking about.

Look here - - check out bbref. If you take Chamberlain off the table - number 2 guy on each season becomes #1, #3 becomes #2 and so forth..... and look at the scoring leaders, assist leaders.... every stat you can find except rebounding....... it looks just like 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005... none of the other numbers have changed at all. Scoring leaders got 28-35 in the 60s, 70s, right up to today.

Blaming the insane numbers on the era would mean that the other guys were blowing past guys like Jordan or Durant on the regular. But you don't see that at all. Of course the pace was faster in those days; fans would literally walk out if the teams played slow paced, half-court sets. Nobody wanted to see that, and none of the players liked that style either. Boring. Thus rebound numbers are off the charts everywhere you look in the '60s.,

Not only that but if the era was so easy how come Chamberlain is the only guy in the all time scoring top 10? Why is he the ONLY guy from that era still in the top 10.... or for that matter in any category you please?

The weak era thing is just.... weak. Find a better reason than that one because it's invalid right on its face.

:biggums:

Yes he was a monster, yes 50 ppg is impressive. Put him in today's game and he won't average 50 ppg, why is that? Care to explain why? And no, less skilled average player pool is only a part of it. :rolleyes:

[DaRkJaWs]

People have already calculated that if you adjust for pace that wilts #s for the 2013-2014 season would be more than 42 ppg so give it a rest already with this bullshit, you idiotic young stupid wilt haters.

[Asukal]

People have already calculated that if you adjust for pace that wilts #s for the 2013-2014 season would be more than 42 ppg so give it a rest already with this bullshit, you idiotic young stupid wilt haters.

Estimates are not facts. Even if it was accurate, 42 is not 50. Dumb old wilt **** sucker. :facepalm

[Pointguard]

Look here - - check out bbref. If you take Chamberlain off the table - number 2 guy on each season becomes #1, #3 becomes #2 and so forth..... and look at the scoring leaders, assist leaders.... every stat you can find except rebounding....... it looks just like 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005... none of the other numbers have changed at all. Scoring leaders got 28-35 in the 60s, 70s, right up to today.

Blaming the insane numbers on the era would mean that the other guys were blowing past guys like Jordan or Durant on the regular. But you don't see that at all. Of course the pace was faster in those days; fans would literally walk out if the teams played slow paced, half-court sets. Nobody wanted to see that, and none of the players liked that style either. Boring. Thus rebound numbers are off the charts everywhere you look in the '60s.,

Not only that but if the era was so easy how come Chamberlain is the only guy in the all time scoring top 10? Why is he the ONLY guy from that era still in the top 10.... or for that matter in any category you please?

Good point. Are there other players in any ara that could be top two in nearly every category? Wilt was getting a crazy number of non - statistical categories like blocks, even steals. Hustle categories - rebounds and skill categories. He kept himself busy and when he averaged 50ppg his best scoring week was within three weeks of the last game. So his endurance was crazy.

[DaRkJaWs]

Estimates are not facts. Even if it was accurate, 42 is not 50. Dumb old wilt **** sucker. :facepalm
You dumb shit 42 ppg is still more than anyone else in the history of the nba. I hope it hurts to be as dumb as you.

[Asukal]

You dumb shit 42 ppg is still more than anyone else in the history of the nba. I hope it hurts to be as dumb as you.

Says the guy who has no arguments but insults. :rolleyes:

42 is not 50. Go back to school grandpa. :oldlol: :roll:

EDIT: BTW who's alt are you? Not man enough to use your main account? :oldlol: :roll:

[La Frescobaldi]

:biggums:

Yes he was a monster, yes 50 ppg is impressive. Put him in today's game and he won't average 50 ppg, why is that? Care to explain why? And no, less skilled average player pool is only a part of it. :rolleyes:
:biggums:

Who's going to stop him?

Chandler Jordan Howard Noah Hibbert Bogut Pekovic Monroe Perkins Splitter Gasol Lopez..... ?

Bigger than all of them, faster, stronger, quicker than most if not all, amazing stamina, smarter and more talented. He'd be scoring literally at will on all these guys.

I've often wondered if Yao could have stopped 29 or 30 y.o. Chamberlain's offense for more than a minute or two because dude was enormous and fairly smart.... but he's the only Center I've ever had doubts about that.

[LAZERUSS]

When Chamberlain came into the NBA, the scoring record was 29.2 ppg; the rebounding record was 23.0 rpg; and the FG% rcord was .490.

Virtually NO ONE ever imagined a player who would come along and just OBLITERATE those marks.

BTW, subtract Wilt from the Wilt-era, and there were a TOTAL of FIVE 60+ point games. You can basically go thru every decade after the 60's and come up with that amount. Now, how do explain Chamberlain getting 32 by himself?

Furthermore, in Chamberlain's 69-70 season...or his 11th season in the league, and with a new coach who had asked Wilt to become the focal point of the offense...he was LEADING the league in scoring at 32.2 in his first nine games (as well as grabbing 20 rpg, and shooting .579 from the field.) In fact, in his ninth game, he had scored 33 points in 28 minutes with well over a quarter to play, when he shredded his knee.

And before someone says, "well, nine games is a small sample." In those nine games, he had games of 33 (in 28 minutes), 35, 37 (against the 7-0 bruiser Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against the reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against Bob Rule...go ahead and look him up), and 43 against Connie Dierking.

Dierking is interesting, too, because Connie would battle a PEAK Kareem in a number of career H2H's, and KAJ's high game against him was 41 points. Oh, and just the season before this one, (68-69) Chamberlain hung a 60 point game on Dierking.

BTW, Wilt also faced Alcindor (Kareem) in their lone H2H before his knee injury, and easily outplayed Kareem (he outscored him, 25-23; outrebounded him, 25-20; outassisted him, 5-2; outblocked him, 3-2 (including a sky-hook); and outshot him from the field, 9-14 to 9-21.)

So, I have zero reason to believe that a '69-70 Wilt would not have won yet another scoring title, as well as another rebounding title, and another FG% title.

Oh, and in that 69-70 season, Kareem averaged 28.8 ppg. So obviously Wilt's 32.2 ppg in that shortened season is pretty indicative of what he would have been capable of in the 70's, and when KAJ was scoring as high as 34.8 ppg. And Chamberlain in 69-70 was not a PRIME Wilt, either.

[LAZERUSS]

And again, for those that use "era" and "pace" against Wilt...why THIS?




Aside from Chamberlain, there have been 36 30-30 games in NBA history, and Russell is the leader of that group, with 7 (Bellamy and Thurmond are next with 3 each.)

How about Wilt? 132.


40-30 (or 30-40) games: Other than Wilt, the NBA has had 9 40-30 games, with Baylor being the only player to have 2.

Chamberlain? 73


50-30 games: Pettit and Baylor each with 1

Wilt? 32


60-20 games: Aside from Wilt, there have been four (Baylor with 3 and Shaq with 1)

Chamberlain? 28


60-30 games: Baylor with 1

Wilt? 8


40-40 games: There have been 8 in the history of the NBA, and Chamberlain had all of them.


50-40 games: Obviously, Wilt would be the only player to have ever have accomplsihed that feat, which he did 5 times.


70-30 games: Chamberlain has the only 2, 78-43 and 73-36 (against Bellamy.)



Those are just SOME of the MANY staggering records that ONLY Wilt was accomplishing.

He was not only winning scoring titles, he was winning them by margins of 11 and 19 ppg. He was winning rebounding titles by 5 rpg. And he was winning FG% titles by margins of .157 and .162 over his nearest competitor's. Hell, he was outshooting the NBA league eFG% mark by margins of .244 and .271 !

Why ONLY Wilt?

[navy]

While I dont think Wilt would have a problem today, I have a hard time believing he would at any point play the role he did early in his career. The amount of shot attempts were crazy. For a big? Insane. There is no chance of his scoring records being touched.

I dont see what about his game would not be effective though. 7 footer, good in the post, strong, fast, high jumper, good passer. Would be just fine.

[Asukal]

:biggums:

Who's going to stop him?

Chandler Jordan Howard Noah Hibbert Bogut Pekovic Monroe Perkins Splitter Gasol Lopez..... ?

Bigger than all of them, faster, stronger, quicker than most if not all, amazing stamina, smarter and more talented. He'd be scoring literally at will on all these guys.

I've often wondered if Yao could have stopped 29 or 30 y.o. Chamberlain's offense for more than a minute or two because dude was enormous and fairly smart.... but he's the only Center I've ever had doubts about that.

You guys keep on and on about young people disrespecting old eras yet you yourselves don't respect today's players. First of all, I agree nobody can stop Wilt today, he would probably be the best player. Then there are the multiple other reasons why he won't average 50 even if he wanted to. I believe Wilt would have avoided those injuries had he not played too many minutes earlier in his career.

[fpliii]

While I dont think Wilt would have a problem today, I have a hard time believing he would at any point play the role he did early in his career. The amount of shot attempts were crazy. For a big? Insane. There is no chance of his scoring records being touched.

I dont see what about his game would not be effective though. 7 footer, good in the post, strong, fast, high jumper, good passer. Would be just fine.
61-62 was an outlier though. It was a concerted effort to score 50, from management, to the coach, to Wilt, and to his teammates.

That wasn't the case in any other season of his.

[La Frescobaldi]

You guys keep on and on about young people disrespecting old eras yet you yourselves don't respect today's players. First of all, I agree nobody can stop Wilt today, he would probably be the best player. Then there are the multiple other reasons why he won't average 50 even if he wanted to. I believe Wilt would have avoided those injuries had he not played too many minutes earlier in his career.
no disrespect to it man. The guy was a Michael Jordan level player. That's just how it is.

[Asukal]

When Chamberlain came into the NBA, the scoring record was 29.2 ppg; the rebounding record was 23.0 rpg; and the FG% rcord was .490.

Virtually NO ONE ever imagined a player who would come along and just OBLITERATE those marks.

BTW, subtract Wilt from the Wilt-era, and there were a TOTAL of FIVE 60+ point games. You can basically go thru every decade after the 60's and come up with that amount. Now, how do explain Chamberlain getting 32 by himself?

Furthermore, in Chamberlain's 69-70 season...or his 11th season in the league, and with a new coach who had asked Wilt to become the focal point of the offense...he was LEADING the league in scoring at 32.2 in his first nine games (as well as grabbing 20 rpg, and shooting .579 from the field.) In fact, in his ninth game, he had scored 33 points in 28 minutes with well over a quarter to play, when he shredded his knee.

And before someone says, "well, nine games is a small sample." In those nine games, he had games of 33 (in 28 minutes), 35, 37 (against the 7-0 bruiser Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against the reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against Bob Rule...go ahead and look him up), and 43 against Connie Dierking.

Dierking is interesting, too, because Connie would battle a PEAK Kareem in a number of career H2H's, and KAJ's high game against him was 41 points. Oh, and just the season before this one, (68-69) Chamberlain hung a 60 point game on Dierking.

BTW, Wilt also faced Alcindor (Kareem) in their lone H2H before his knee injury, and easily outplayed Kareem (he outscored him, 25-23; outrebounded him, 25-20; outassisted him, 5-2; outblocked him, 3-2 (including a sky-hook); and outshot him from the field, 9-14 to 9-21.)

So, I have zero reason to believe that a '69-70 Wilt would not have won yet another scoring title, as well as another rebounding title, and another FG% title.

Oh, and in that 69-70 season, Kareem averaged 28.8 ppg. So obviously Wilt's 32.2 ppg in that shortened season is pretty indicative of what he would have been capable of in the 70's, and when KAJ was scoring as high as 34.8 ppg. And Chamberlain in 69-70 was not a PRIME Wilt, either.

If he was a god among men then why the hell did he win it all only two times? Watch that 1970 lakers vs knicks game 7 on youtube. How can a god let a mere mortal like frazier outperform him? Wilt should've dominated that game facing an injured Reed and seal the season with a ring. :facepalm

70 Finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqWD5lhGBOQ)

[navy]

61-62 was an outlier though. It was a concerted effort to score 50, from management, to the coach, to Wilt, and to his teammates.

That wasn't the case in any other season of his.
Wilts shot attempts
39.5
34.6
32.1
31.1
28.7

Dont get me started on free throw attempts in those years.

For comparison, Kobe's highest field goal attempts was 27.2

[LAZERUSS]

While I dont think Wilt would have a problem today, I have a hard time believing he would at any point play the role he did early in his career. The amount of shot attempts were crazy. For a big? Insane. There is no chance of his scoring records being touched.

I dont see what about his game would not be effective though. 7 footer, good in the post, strong, fast, high jumper, good passer. Would be just fine.

While virtually everyone points to his 61-62 season, the fact was, he was capable of 40 ppg his entire prime career. Rick Barry won the scoring title in 66-67, at 35.6 ppg, and "thanked" Wilt for "letting him win it." Even he acknowledged that had Chamberlain wanted to, he would have won yet another scoring title.

And we have other so many examples of that, too. In his 68-69 season, in a year in which his new coach, Butch "the Butcher" Van Breda Kolff shackled Chamberlain, Wilt was at a then career low, 17.5 ppg in mid-season. It was so bad that SI was about to release a story claiming that Wilt could no longer score. It would hit the newstands on 1/27/69. Guess what? On 1/26, Chamberlain erupted for a 60 point game. A few days later he poured in his last 60 point game (66 points on an unfathomable 29-35 from the field.)

And how about his 69-70 season? His new coach, Joe Mullaney, had replaced the incompetent Van Breda Kolff, and after surveying the wreckage from the previous season, he immediately decided to make WILT the focal point of the Laker offense (yes, even over Jerry West.)

As I pointed out earlier, in his first nine games, Chamberlain was LEADING the league in scoring at 32.2 ppg. And even that was deceptive, since, in that ninth game, he blew out his knee in the middle of the third period. In his 28 minutes, he had scored 33 points on 13-14 from the field. So, he was most certainly on his way to at least a 40+ point game, and likely a 50 pointer. This from a 33 year old Chamberlain, and in his 11th season.

And again, Wilt was playing at a higher level than rookie Kareem at the time (and in fact, had easily outplayed him in their one H2H before he shredded his knee.) And this was from a Wilt who was no longer at his peak, either. And yet his numbers were considerably better than Kareem's in that season, and given the fact that a PEAK KAJ would score 35 ppg a couple of years later, it certainly gives credence to those that have claimed that Wilt could have been a force even into the 70's...and that a PEAK Chamberlain likely would have blown away Kareem's best marks in that period.

Another remarkable fact about Wilt: In his LAST two seasons, and in 11 straight H2H's with the 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, Chamberlain averaged 24 ppg on a .750 FG%. This was a way-past-his-prime Wilt, and with no desire to score in bunches anymore. Hell, in his last season against Lanier, and in their six H2H games, he held Lanier to a .374 FG%.

The evidence is almost overwhelming that a PRIME Chamberlain would have been a force in any era.

[fpliii]

Wilts shot attempts
39.5
34.6
32.1
31.1
28.7

Dont get me started on free throw attempts in those years.

For comparison, Kobe's highest field goal attempts was 27.2
I prefer to compare on the bases of TSA (FGA+0.44*FTA), but yeah, the 39.5 stands out like a sore thumb.

It is fact though that the 61-62 scoring was artificially contrived. From Coach McGuire:


"We aren't as good as Boston—not with you scoring 37, 38 points a game like you did your first two years. We can't get enough scoring out of the rest of our guys to equal them. But if you can score 50, I think the rest of the guys can make up the difference to get us even with Boston."


"I had meetings with each of the players. We talked about their careers and about the team. I said that Wilt was the most dominant force in basketball history and I wanted him to get the ball two-thirds of the time."



"During our first day of training camp in Hershey, I said, 'Wilt, how long do you want to play?"

He said, "Coach, when you take me out, I sit on the bench and I look at you. I don't get any rebounds. I don't get any points. You keep me out for three minutes, then put me back in and it takes me about five minutes to get loose again—so you lose eight minutes.'

I asked, 'Can you play all the time?'

He said, 'That's what I want to do.'"

Obviously from the last quote, Wilt was complicit in the 48 minutes thing. I think it's safe to say that he also didn't have a huge problem aiming for 50 points a night:


"I just wish that I could have played for more than one year for Frank McGuire. He and Alex Hannum were my favorite coaches."

[navy]

I prefer to compare on the bases of TSA (FGA+0.44*FTA), but yeah, the 39.5 stands out like a sore thumb.


No matter how it happened, it wouldnt happen today. Not that I think Wilt couldnt do it (similar at a slower pace) if he tried. He wouldnt try and no coach would suggest it.

[fpliii]

No matter how it happened, it wouldnt happen today. Not that I think Wilt couldnt do it (similar at a slower pace) if he tried. He wouldnt try and no coach would suggest it.
Oh I agree, and again, it *shouldn't* have happened back then either.

[LAZERUSS]

If he was a god among men then why the hell did he win it all only two times? Watch that 1970 lakers vs knicks game 7 on youtube. How can a god let a mere mortal like frazier outperform him? Wilt should've dominated that game facing an injured Reed and seal the season with a ring. :facepalm

70 Finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqWD5lhGBOQ)

There is so much wrong with this post. Why do you "bashers" continually bring up the '70 Finals? Chamberlain, himself, was only FOUR MONTHS removed from MAJOR KNEE SURGERY. Basically a similar surgery as to what Baylor had, and in which it took him over a year-and-a-half to become close to what he had been (and in fact, he never approached his physical ability again.)

And just WATCH that footage, and compare it to game five of the '72 Finals, which is also on YouTube. In the '70 Finals, Wilt runs stiff-legged, and has no elevation, and very little lateral mobility. In the '72 Finals' footage, he is blocking shots all over the floor, and even having spectacular (and questionable) goal-tends. And to be honest, in that clinching win in the '72 Finals, Chamberlain looks like he could have easily scored 40 points had he been so inclined.

As it was, in his '70 Finals, a one-legged Wilt battled a prime (and MVP) Reed to a statistical draw in the first four games of that series (and it was knotted at 2-2 BTW.) After Reed injured his leg (and BTW, it was almost the same injury that Wilt had suffered before the '68 EDF's, and yet a one-legged Wilt played every minute of that seven game series, and hung a 22-25 series)...Wilt was, BY FAR, the Lakers best player.

Here was a Chamberlain that was nowhere near 100%, and yet, he STILL put up a 23 ppg, 24 rpg, .625 seven game Finals.

As for the rest of your post...

How come MJ was being swept by Bird's Celtics? How come he couldn't win a ring until his seventh season?

How come Kareem, in his prime, won ONE ring; only went to TWO Finals; was blown out in the first round twice (once by a far lessor team); lost twice to a Sonics team that had one borderline HOFer; was swept with HCA in another series; was blown out in a game seven of the Finals, and on his hom floor; was blown out by the same Knicks team that Wilt carried to a game seven in that year's Finals; and missed the playoffs TWICE in the decade of the 70's?

How come Shaq was SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career, and "only" won four times in 20 seasons?

How come Bird, with HOF-laden rosters, "only" won THREE rings in his career, and lost with HCA seven times?

How come Hakeem only went to THREE Finals in 18 seasons; never played on a team that won 60+ games; missed the playoffs three times; and was blown-out in the first round EIGHT times in his post-season career?

You "bashers" blame WILT, who was the best player on his playoff teams in all but one season (and that was his coach's fault); and was arguably the best player on the floor in about 20-25 of his 29 post-season series. He absolutely crushed Russell and his STACKED teams on several occasions, and outplayed him in EVERY one of their EIGHT post-season H2H's. Hell, and OLD Wilt statistically outplayed a PEAK Kareem in their '71 playoff series, and by virtually all accounts, outplayed him in their '72 playoff series H2H.

This is a TEAM game, and generally the best TEAM wins. It was a testament to WILT's greatness, that he narrowly lost FOUR game sevens to the greatest dynasty in NBA history. He was a mere nine points away from having SIX rings in his career.

[PsychoBe]

laz off his meds again :facepalm

why do you like wilt so much anyways?

do you play him in create a legend on 2k13 too? :oldlol:

[Asukal]

There is so much wrong with this post. Why do you "bashers" continually bring up the '70 Finals? Chamberlain, himself, was only FOUR MONTHS removed from MAJOR KNEE SURGERY. Basically a similar surgery as to what Baylor had, and in which it took him over a year-and-a-half to become close to what he had been (and in fact, he never approached his physical ability again.)

And just WATCH that footage, and compare it to game five of the '72 Finals, which is also on YouTube. In the '70 Finals, Wilt runs stiff-legged, and has no elevation, and very little lateral mobility. In the '72 Finals' footage, he is blocking shots all over the floor, and even having spectacular (and questionable) goal-tends. And to be honest, in that clinching win in the '72 Finals, Chamberlain looks like he could have easily scored 40 points had he been so inclined.

As it was, in his '70 Finals, a one-legged Wilt battled a prime (and MVP) Reed to a statistical draw in the first four games of that series (and it was knotted at 2-2 BTW.) After Reed injured his leg (and BTW, it was almost the same injury that Wilt had suffered before the '68 EDF's, and yet a one-legged Wilt played every minute of that seven game series, and hung a 22-25 series)...Wilt was, BY FAR, the Lakers best player.

Here was a Chamberlain that was nowhere near 100%, and yet, he STILL put up a 23 ppg, 24 rpg, .625 seven game Finals.

As for the rest of your post...

How come MJ was being swept by Bird's Celtics? How come he couldn't win a ring until his seventh season?

How come Kareem, in his prime, won ONE ring; only went to TWO Finals; was blown out in the first round twice (once by a far lessor team); lost twice to a Sonics team that had one borderline HOFer; was swept with HCA in another series; was blown out in a game seven of the Finals, and on his hom floor; was blown out by the same Knicks team that Wilt carried to a game seven in that year's Finals; and missed the playoffs TWICE in the decade of the 70's?

How come Shaq was SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career, and "only" won four times in 20 seasons?

How come Bird, with HOF-laden rosters, "only" won THREE rings in his career, and lost with HCA seven times?

How come Hakeem only went to THREE Finals in 18 seasons; never played on a team that won 60+ games; missed the playoffs three times; and was blown-out in the first round EIGHT times in his post-season career?

You "bashers" blame WILT, who was the best player on his playoff teams in all but one season (and that was his coach's fault); and was arguably the best player on the floor in about 20-25 of his 29 post-season series. He absolutely crushed Russell and his STACKED teams on several occasions, and outplayed him in EVERY one of their EIGHT post-season H2H's. Hell, and OLD Wilt statistically outplayed a PEAK Kareem in their '71 playoff series, and by virtually all accounts, outplayed him in their '72 playoff series H2H.

This is a TEAM game, and generally the best TEAM wins. It was a testament to WILT's greatness, that he narrowly lost FOUR game sevens to the greatest dynasty in NBA history. He was a mere nine points away from having SIX rings in his career.

Excuses excuses excuses... :oldlol:

He was off the injured list for 4 months and couldn't dominate an injured Reed? :oldlol: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Excuses excuses excuses... :oldlol:

He was off the injured list for 4 months and couldn't dominate an injured Reed? :oldlol: :roll:

What's your definition of domination?

Reed: 4 points, 2-5 FG/FGA, 3 rebs.
Wilt: 21 points, 10-16 FG/FGA, 24 rebounds.

AND, while Chamberlain was playing Reed one-on-one, Reed had a TON of help against Wilt. In fact, there was only a handful of shots that Chamberlain took where he was defended one-on-one by Reed, and other than one missed fadeaway, Chamberlain either made the shot, or was fouled by Reed.

Of course, a PRIME Chamberlain just MURDERED Reed in the 60's. And even as late as their 1969 H2H's, Wilt was plastering Reed, ...and THAT Reed was a PEAK Reed.

[La Frescobaldi]

Excuses excuses excuses... :oldlol:



He was off the injured list for 4 months and couldn't dominate an injured Reed? :oldlol: :roll:

Chamberlain was rampaging in the paint. The Knicks outside game was incredible!!


Game #7 @New York

Willis Reed made his dramatic entrance before the game during warm-ups and the Knicks were never headed as they romped to a game seven win and their first NBA title. Reed hit two jumpers to give New York an early lead but it was the other starters who poured it on the Lakers. Walt Frazier, Bill Bradley and Dave DeBusschere hit 15 of their first 21 shots as New York built a 27-point halftime lead, 69-42. Frazier would score 23 points in the half and have his best all-around game in a Knick uniform. Frazier either made or assisted on 31 of New York's 46 field goals. The Knicks came out still smoking in the third and built their lead to 25 points at 79-54 with six minutes left. The lead would still be 25 in the fourth before L.A. would finally start hitting some of their shots. However, it was much too little, too late for the Lakers.

Walt Frazier had the Greatest Finals Performance in NBA history that day.

West couldn't even see his tail lights. Hippies were partying clear across the country man.

It was truly a day of glory for Knicks fans everywhere!!

[julizaver]

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(Edit: I see your nah just kidding comment now :p. but at least you got to see a pic I'm sure none of us have seen before.

Is this a jump ball near the basket ? Anyway very rare photo - first time I see it.

[La Frescobaldi]

Is this a jump ball near the basket ? Anyway very rare photo - first time I see it.
naturally. Look how the players are lined up, and the ref obviously just flung up the ball

[LAZERUSS]

naturally. Look how the players are lined up, and the ref obviously just flung up the ball

And even more amazing...Russell was 6-10, with a 7-4 wingspan, and a world-class high jumper...and yet Wilt's reach is advantage is staggering in that photo. I don't think there is any doubt that Chamberlain could have EASILY touched the top of the backboard at his physical peak.

[Lebronxrings]

unless the competition turns back into 5'11 white centers, none of those records get broken.

[DaRkJaWs]

And even more amazing...Russell was 6-10, with a 7-4 wingspan, and a world-class high jumper...and yet Wilt's reach is advantage is staggering in that photo. I don't think there is any doubt that Chamberlain could have EASILY touched the top of the backboard at his physical peak.
There are simply far too many accounts of him having touched the top that it should be treated as fact and not as a good guess. Cherrys book covers this well.

As far as chamberlain reaching higher than Russell, sometimes one jumps higher or lower given the time and day, Russell could also leap although he couldn't touch the backboard.