Is there a case for Parker over Kobe?

[JohnMax]

Parker could get his 5th ring this year

[Purch]

http://chickgeek.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/10547563_840219376002677_7042828284018629812_n.jpg

[Real Men Wear Green]

When did logic die?

[Sakkreth]

Depends on how you rank players.

[SugarHill]

Depends on how you rank players.
What way would have Parker above Kobe? I'm curious

[Real Men Wear Green]

Depends on how you rank players.
Reverse ABC order?

[SouBeachTalents]

If Parker wins a 5th ring, he's at least equal to Kobe. Same reason why Horry > Jordan

[Milbuck]

Give me Manu over both. Dude could've been the GOAT if he wasn't so damn injury prone throughout his career.

[AirFederer]

As much as I like his game I'll have to say no

[sportjames23]

When did logic die?


My good sir, you do know where you are, right? :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Give me Manu over both. Dude could've been the GOAT if he wasn't so damn injury prone throughout his career.

:biggums:

Since peak Manu, who wasn't injured, isn't even close to the top 15-20 all time, I find that hard to believe.

[Victoire]

No but Parker is for sure all-time top 10 point-guard and will probably finish top 5 or close.

[T_L_P]

No but Parker is for sure all-time top 10 point-guard and will probably finish top 5 or close.


What are you smoking? Parker isn't that much better than Billups. Now he's being compared to Magic, Oscar, West, Stockton, Isiah, Kidd, Nash, Glove, etc. :biggums:

[Milbuck]

:biggums:

Since peak Manu, who wasn't injured, isn't even close to the top 15-20 all time, I find that hard to believe.
Peak Manu is pretty much an Argentinian Jordan. It's him, Jordan, and Shaq as far as greatest peaks are concerned imo.

[Mr. Jabbar]

off with his head mods

[T_L_P]

Peak Manu is pretty much an Argentinian Jordan. It's him, Jordan, and Shaq as far as greatest peaks are concerned imo.

Shut up. You've wrote about peak's extensively and never mentioned him. Why troll?

[Milbuck]

Shut up.
Name 10 players better.

[sportjames23]

Peak Manu is pretty much an Argentinian Jordan. It's him, Jordan, and Shaq as far as greatest peaks are concerned imo.


I don't even know where to go with this, MB.

[T_L_P]

Name 10 players better.

Jordan
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Bird
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Robinson
Garnett
Dirk

Manu's peak is top 20...but you're obviously trolling when you say it's 3rd.

He wasn't that much better than almost-past-his-prime, playing on two bum ankles Duncan (depending on how much the Regular Season means to you, he may not have been better period). His role was to react to what Duncan did on offense/how defenses played him. Now he's being talked about with guys who outright carried their teams?

[Milbuck]

Jordan
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Bird
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Robinson
Garnett
Dirk

Manu's peak is top 20...but you're obviously trolling when you say it's 3rd.

He wasn't that much better than almost-past-his-prime, playing on two bum ankles Duncan (depending on how much the Regular Season means to you, he may not have been better period). His role was to react to what Duncan did on offense/how defenses played him. Now he's being talked about with guys who outright carried their teams?
Wait do you actually think I'm being serious?

[tpols]

duncan mustve really had the most help of all time..

Top 5 all time defensive center and top 25 GOAT in D-Rob
Top 10 all time peak SG in Manu
GOAT coach in pop
Record breaking GOAT perimeter shooting and passing teams as of late
And now a top 10 all time player in tony parker.

:bowdown:

[Victoire]

What are you smoking? Parker isn't that much better than Billups. Now he's being compared to Magic, Oscar, West, Stockton, Isiah, Kidd, Nash, Glove, etc. :biggums:

You are a notorious Parker's hater so I wont bother trying to convince you.

Anyway, for anyone with good faith and decent basketball knowledge, Parker is DEFINITELY on par with Kidd and Nash. He was way better than the first offensively and way better than the second in defense (not hard since he was a blackhole in defense).

The best finisher point guard ever and one of the best penetrator. Went from bad shooter to excellent shooter since 2007, half-way of his career. Won 4 championship. Is the focal point of spurs' offense, the head of the snake, since 2005. Since 2007 he is a clutch, strong and respected leader of the best team of the decade. Sure he is average on 1-on-1 defense but he is a quite good team-defender.

The only 4 I would for sure take over Parker are Oscar, Magic, Isiah and Stockton.

[sportjames23]

Wait do you actually think I'm being serious?


LOL, I was about to say, dude. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

Yeah Parker was a much better Spur than Kobe's ever been.

[Doranku]

Jordan
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Bird
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Robinson
Garnett
Dirk

Manu's peak is top 20...but you're obviously trolling when you say it's 3rd.

He wasn't that much better than almost-past-his-prime, playing on two bum ankles Duncan (depending on how much the Regular Season means to you, he may not have been better period). His role was to react to what Duncan did on offense/how defenses played him. Now he's being talked about with guys who outright carried their teams?
:biggums: You actually think Manu f*cking Ginobili has a top 20 ALL-TIME peak?!?!

[Milbuck]

LOL, I was about to say, dude. :oldlol:
:oldlol: TLP's a good dude but gets crazy defensive about Spurs shit sometimes. Just wanted to see where it'd go.

[SugarHill]

:biggums: You actually think Manu f*cking Ginobili has a top 20 ALL-TIME peak?!?!
:oldlol:

[T_L_P]

You are a notorious Parker's hater so I wont bother trying to convince you.

Anyway, for anyone with good faith and decent basketball knowledge, Parker is DEFINITELY on par with Kidd and Nash. He was way better than the first offensively and way better than the second in defense (not hard since he was a blackhole in defense).

The best finisher point guard ever and one of the best penetrator. Went from bad shooter to excellent shooter since 2007, half-way of his career. Won 4 championship. Is the focal point of spurs' offense, the head of the snake, since 2005. Since 2007 he is a clutch, strong and respected leader of the best team of the decade. Sure he is average on 1-on-1 defense but he is a quite good team-defender.

The only 4 I would for sure take over Parker are Oscar, Magic, Isiah and Stockton.

No, I'm not. He's a great player. I hated his guts for how terrible he was early in his career. Then around 2007 he became a star. But he's rarely been more valuable than Manu (10, 12 and 13 he was), and only once been more valuable than Duncan (11).

What do 4 championships matter when, using every single stat we have available (and just by watching them), he was never even the 2nd best player on those teams? (6th best in 03, 3rd or 4th best in 05, 3rd best in 07, 4th best in 14). And it's similar with the leader thing. Our worst years of the Duncan/Popovich era were when Parker was really "running" the offense. And those were the years when he was opening nightclubs, cheating with a teammates' girl, starring in rap videos, and being something of a black-hole. What success did Parker have after Duncan's prime ended until he had the most recent bounce-back years? One WCF appearence?

And your comments on his defense are really stupid. He's a below average defender. I don't care what part of his defense you shine to boost him, his defensive game is below average (in almost all instances, throughout his career, he's been the worst defensive Spur on the court, and Pop almost always hides him).

I'm sorry, you're flat-out wrong. Winning 4 championships with one of the ten greatest players ever and one of the two greatest coaches ever doesn't put you ahead of West, or Payton, or Nash or Kidd or, yes, even Billups. If he didn't have Pop's system or Chip he would have gone down as a non-descript Point Guard who couldn't shoot. This is a guy who gets noticeably worse come Playoff time.

We looked better without him last Playoffs. In the biggest game of the year, Parker left with the Spurs being down. We went on to win that game, against a stacked OKC team. How many top 5 players at their position (all time, mind you) can say the same?

[T_L_P]

:biggums: You actually think Manu f*cking Ginobili has a top 20 ALL-TIME peak?!?!

Playoff peak? Absolutely. What he did in 05 is almost unprecedented.

[DMAVS41]

Jordan
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Bird
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Robinson
Garnett
Dirk

Manu's peak is top 20...but you're obviously trolling when you say it's 3rd.

He wasn't that much better than almost-past-his-prime, playing on two bum ankles Duncan (depending on how much the Regular Season means to you, he may not have been better period). His role was to react to what Duncan did on offense/how defenses played him. Now he's being talked about with guys who outright carried their teams?

:wtf:

[T_L_P]

:wtf:

I corrected myself above by saying Playoff peak (which I absolutely think it is).

He never really played enough minutes outside of 05 to be in that conversation. But I do believe what he did in the 05 Playoffs is at least close to being in the top 20 (it's one of the 30 best Playoff runs ever, right?)

[ArbitraryWater]

I love how TLP was like "What, Manu's peak isn't that high are you crazy??!" And then it turns out TLP got Manu's Peak perhaps just a tad too high and upsets everyone else with it.. :D

[T_L_P]

I love how TLP was like "What, Manu's peak isn't that high are you crazy??!" And then it turns out TLP got Manu's Peak perhaps just a tad too high and upsets everyone else with it.. :D

I mean, Duncan had a bunch of better years. MJ had a lot. LeBron has too etc etc.

But assuming each player has one peak, is it really outrageous to say it's in the top 30? Great defense, and god-like offense.

Here's the RAPM for the year (just because I'm probably gonna need to stats to back this claim, even though it's totally from seeing just how great he was):

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2005-rapm

There is a large discrepancy between top 3 peak ever and top 20 peak ever. :D

[ArbitraryWater]

I mean, Duncan had a bunch of better years. MJ had a lot. LeBron has too etc etc.

But assuming each player has one peak, is it really outrageous to say it's in the top 30? Great defense, and god-like offense.

Here's the RAPM for the year (just because I'm probably gonna need to stats to back this claim, even though it's totally from seeing just how great he was):

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/2005-rapm

There is a large discrepancy between top 3 peak ever and top 20 peak ever. :D


haha I actually agree with you :D

Manu is one of my favorite Players, and he'd likely be a perennial all-star anywhere else... And I know this is a tired argument for Spurs Players outside of Timmy...But most of other Teams fans favorites, would get a significant #'s drop-off playing in the Spurs System.. People don't get that.

[DMAVS41]

I corrected myself above by saying Playoff peak (which I absolutely think it is).

He never really played enough minutes outside of 05 to be in that conversation. But I do believe what he did in the 05 Playoffs is at least close to being in the top 20 (it's one of the 30 best Playoff runs ever, right?)

I love Manu...and definitely think he gets under-rated and overlooked often...

However, his 2005 playoff run is not one of the 20 best stretches of basketball anyone has ever played.

[ArbitraryWater]

I love Manu...and definitely think he gets under-rated and overlooked often...

However, his 2005 playoff run is not one of the 20 best stretches of basketball anyone has ever played.

That's not what it means though... Jordan himself has 10+ better stretches, but it means only 19 guys may have had a better Playoff run...

Duncan was pretty underwhelming offensively in '05.

[DMAVS41]

That's not what it means though... Jordan himself has 10+ better stretches, but it means only 19 guys may have had a better Playoff run...

Duncan was pretty underwhelming offensively in '05.

I know what he meant....there have been 20 other players that have had better playoff runs. I promise...

[ArbitraryWater]

I know what he meant....there have been 20 other players that have had better playoff runs. I promise...

I guess..

Michael Jordan
Tim Duncan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
Larry Bird
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dirk Nowitzki
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Dwyane Wade
Clyde Drexler
^20

Then... Perhaps:

Baylor, Barry (not a fan of those 2), Payton, Frazier, Nash, '09 Howard... ?

Top 30.

[imdaman99]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself :cheers:

Eh... not one Spur played 30+ minutes last year, and I read somewhere they started with like 40+ different lineups throughout the year... They're not dependant on anyone. One player can be replaced.. Someone else comes in and fills their role. Everyone is an MVP.

[T_L_P]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself :cheers:

03:

Duncan
Robinson
Manu
Bowen
Jackson/Parker

05:

Manu
Duncan
Parker/Horry

07:

Duncan
Manu
Parker

My exact list for 14.

--

And I just realised Parker has never been All-NBA First Team (for some reason I thought he was in 2012). Now his impact is top 5 PG to ever live? :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

LOL I was like "Who cares about Parker??!! We talking 'bout Ginobili?!" Then I remembered the OP... Obvious troll.

[MavsSuperFan]

No

[Genaro]

What ISH has become? Mods, please

[DMAVS41]

I guess..

Michael Jordan
Tim Duncan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
Larry Bird
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dirk Nowitzki
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Dwyane Wade
Clyde Drexler
^20

Then... Perhaps:

Baylor, Barry (not a fan of those 2), Payton, Frazier, Nash, '09 Howard... ?

Top 30.

Off the top of my head as well:

Zeke
McHale
Pippen
Iverson
Payton
Pau Gasol
Durant
Chris Paul
Pettit
Mikan
Karl Malone
Worthy
Dr. J
Ewing
David Robinson
Bill Walton
Stockton

[lilteapot]

Absolutely not.

[G0ATbe]

When did logic die?
Why let obvious anti Kobe troll threads like this slide but when I make my threads with the point being Godbe>MJ they get deleted instantly and I'm perm banned within 5 minutes?(probably by you).:facepalm

The bias of celdick fans... disgusting.

[shadow]

Parker is so good, if he gets just one more ring, he'll be better than Jordan, Jabbar and Johnson combined. Parker>>>3Js.

[sportjames23]

Why let obvious anti Kobe troll threads like this slide but when I make my threads with the point being Godbe>MJ they get deleted instantly and I'm perm banned within 5 minutes?(probably by you).:facepalm

The bias of celdick fans... disgusting.


LOL, this nigguh mad.

[Anaximandro1]

That's not what it means though... Jordan himself has 10+ better stretches, but it means only 19 guys may have had a better Playoff run...

Duncan was pretty underwhelming offensively in '05.

Tim Duncan had an elite Usage /Offensive Rating in '05.

Reminder: efficiency decreases as usage increases

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5FVT0P-ajKY/VHjzkiA4CyI/AAAAAAAADgw/tHPafy7WUVk/s1600/12.jpg



Duncan FG% ? He had to deal with Ben Wallace (4 times DPOY)/Sheed Wallace/McDyess in the finals.

Duncan led the Spurs in most statistical categories. Manu did his damage with the second unit ... different roles, but they both played very well.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lNUHs3gEHR4/VHjzks95aLI/AAAAAAAADgs/VDKR-18rK1E/s1600/13.jpg





Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Parker is the 3rd most valuable Spur in the Duncan era.

Win Shares works well for large samples.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-201c3HdY3oM/VHj-0Ng1rXI/AAAAAAAADhE/Tw1teTj32iE/s1600/14.jpg


Statistical anomalies are common among small samples (in the playoffs, Drexler led the 1994-95 Rockets in WS, Manu led the 2004-05 Spurs in WS, Gasol led the 2009-10 Lakers in WS ... Hakeem,Duncan and Kobe were the best players on those teams)

[ninephive]

What are you smoking? Parker isn't that much better than Billups. Now he's being compared to Magic, Oscar, West, Stockton, Isiah, Kidd, Nash, Glove, etc. :biggums:
Naw, he passed all those guys in playoff scoring. He's moving on to the other positions in the league now...should have plenty of good years to do his damage and widen and cement that All-Time playoff scoring PG record.

[ninephive]

Parker wasn't even needed for the Spurs to win it all this year. He is easily the 3rd most valuable Spur at best.

Duncan
Kawhi
Ginobli
Parker

Ok this past postseason he was #4, I correct myself :cheers:
It's cute how those other guys aren't All-Stars in the league and how Parker outscored all of them all playoffs and all of them in the Finals.

Bbbbb bbbbutttt we could have easily done it without him because we won a game in overtime that he missed half of...

[Smook A.]

Playoff peak? Absolutely. What he did in 05 is almost unprecedented.
Manu was putting up 21/6/4/1 on 65% TS in nearly 34 mpg. That's really great, but I don't think that cracks the top 20.

[rmt]

Tim Duncan had an elite Usage /Offensive Rating in '05.

Reminder: efficiency decreases as usage increases

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5FVT0P-ajKY/VHjzkiA4CyI/AAAAAAAADgw/tHPafy7WUVk/s1600/12.jpg



Duncan FG% ? He had to deal with Ben Wallace (4 times DPOY)/Sheed Wallace/McDyess in the finals.

Duncan led the Spurs in most statistical categories. Manu did his damage with the second unit ... different roles, but they both played very well.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lNUHs3gEHR4/VHjzks95aLI/AAAAAAAADgs/VDKR-18rK1E/s1600/13.jpg






Parker is the 3rd most valuable Spur in the Duncan era.

Win Shares works well for large samples.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-201c3HdY3oM/VHj-0Ng1rXI/AAAAAAAADhE/Tw1teTj32iE/s1600/14.jpg


Statistical anomalies are common among small samples (in the playoffs, Drexler led the 1994-95 Rockets in WS, Manu led the 2004-05 Spurs in WS, Gasol led the 2009-10 Lakers in WS ... Hakeem,Duncan and Kobe were the best players on those teams)

Some knock Duncan's FG% in the Finals vs one of the best defensive teams ever. Ironically, they won game 7 because B. Wallace/Rasheed/McDyess couldn't contain him (foul trouble), started doubling, leading to wide open 3s.

"A lot of the shots they made, open shots, came as a result of us having a hard time guarding him," Brown said. "That's why he's such a great player."

[fragokota]

Keep those 5 star threads coming OP...

[midatlantic09]

Why do so many of you put so much weight into rings? IT'S A TEAM AWARD! Let me repeat....IT'S A TEAM AWARD!! All it says is that the GM put together the best combination of players and coaches out of all the NBA teams. That's it!

Just because a player happens to be a part of that championship team does not mean that player should all of a sudden be held in higher esteem than a player who is not part of a championship team. If you want to compare teams, yes, go by the ring metric, but if you're comparing individual players, judge them using metrics such as PER (unless it's a player who specializes in defense and dirty work), ppg, rpg, apg, win shares, overall leadership qualities, how crucial they are to their teams success, etc.

That said, no, Tony Parker is nowhere near Kobe Bryant on the all-time greatest players list and Parker being part of another championship team won't change that.

[boldarblood]

Parker could get his 5th ring this year

only if you are clueless.

[ninephive]

03:

Duncan
Robinson
Manu - Hahahahahahahaha! Manu at #3 in 2003!!!! Was it his 8.7 PPG in the Finals or his 2.0 assists? Or maybe his amazing .348 FG%! Hahaha...he couldn't even crack 10 PPG for the entire playoffs! What a joke! He was the Spurs SIXTH leading scorer in the regular season! 3 PPG behind Malik Rose for crying out loud!
Bowen
Jackson/Parker, who of course outscored everyone above him on this list not named Duncan.

05:

Manu
Duncan
Parker/Horry - of course Parker doubled Horry's production in the playoffs, but Horry did have one really good quarter! Let's just put them on the same level!

07:

Duncan
Manu
Parker - FMVP, who outscored the two guys above him in the Finals by a large margin and made their FG% look like a joke, which Manu's was (as it usually is). Parker also outscores Manu throughout the playoffs (as usual) and the regular season (nothing to see there).

My exact list for 14, which of course is expected because of course Parker only outscores the entire team for in the regular season, playoffs, and Finals. He is the only All-Star on the team and commands every defense's best player (other teams know he's our best player too apparently). Yet he still outscores everyone on the team and leads the team in assists throughout the regular season and playoffs. He comes through in the only close call we have all season (only elimination game...G7 Dallas).

But hey, just giving some facts. But if you don't care about scoring, FG%, running the offense, clutch plays & games, or assists, then yah I can see how Parker isn't that important.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Why let obvious anti Kobe troll threads like this slide but when I make my threads with the point being Godbe>MJ they get deleted instantly and I'm perm banned within 5 minutes?(probably by you).:facepalm

The bias of celdick fans... disgusting.
If I deleted every dumb comment on the forum you'd never get to post anything. You should be grateful.

[rmt]

It's cute how those other guys aren't All-Stars in the league and how Parker outscored all of them all playoffs and all of them in the Finals.

Bbbbb bbbbutttt we could have easily done it without him because we won a game in overtime that he missed half of...

2 of those 3 are MUCH more important than Parker during HALF of the game (the defensive half). And Parker did go 0-10 and the Spurs had the last game of the Finals in hand WITHOUT his help - just saying. Kinda suggests that they could have won without him - just not by the huge margin that they did. Definitely Kwahi was more important than Parker in the Finals - no way the Spurs win without Leonard defending Lebron.

[ninephive]

2 of those 3 are MUCH more important than Parker during HALF of the game (the defensive half). And Parker did go 0-10 and the Spurs had the last game of the Finals in hand WITHOUT his help - just saying. Kinda suggests that they could have won without him - just not by the huge margin that they did. Definitely Kwahi was more important than Parker in the Finals - no way the Spurs win without Leonard defending Lebron.
Yah but Parker put the game out of reach when the Heat cut it to 13 early in the 4th (was 20+). Then Parker went basically perfect for the closeout quarter of the Finals. I love how your example for a bad Parker game is 16 pts (more than Duncan in G5).

And what did Kawhi "hold" Lebron to? Amazingly great shooting?

[ninephive]

And if you're watching the game now, this is vintage Parker. Completely dominating - 13 pts at the beginning of the 2nd. He'll pull off the gas here in a bit though.

[Artillery]

And if you're watching the game now, this is vintage Parker. Completely dominating - 13 pts at the beginning of the 2nd. He'll pull off the gas here in a bit though.

Of course, it's the regular season. Parker always dominates in the regular season. It's his crappy playoff performances that's the problem.

[Artillery]

Also, Parker was never the best player on any of the Spur championship teams. '99 and '03 were Duncan. '05 was 1A/1B scenario where Duncan and Ginobili were equally important. '07 was Duncan. '14 was pretty much a team effort but if I had to choose the three best players in that playoff run it would be Duncan/Ginobili/Leonard. Parker was pretty horrid outside of those three games against Portland. Got his shit pushed in by Westbrook in the conference finals and got outplayed by Patty Mills in the Finals.

Not to mention Parker's disgustingly awful playoff runs in 2004 and 2006. Dude sucked hard against the Lakers and Mavs. Both were winnable years for the Spurs too.

[houston]

Parker been carrying the Spurs these past years. He the one that keep the Spurs going.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Tim Duncan had an elite Usage /Offensive Rating in '05.

Reminder: efficiency decreases as usage increases

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5FVT0P-ajKY/VHjzkiA4CyI/AAAAAAAADgw/tHPafy7WUVk/s1600/12.jpg



Duncan FG% ? He had to deal with Ben Wallace (4 times DPOY)/Sheed Wallace/McDyess in the finals.

Duncan led the Spurs in most statistical categories. Manu did his damage with the second unit ... different roles, but they both played very well.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lNUHs3gEHR4/VHjzks95aLI/AAAAAAAADgs/VDKR-18rK1E/s1600/13.jpg






Parker is the 3rd most valuable Spur in the Duncan era.

Win Shares works well for large samples.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-201c3HdY3oM/VHj-0Ng1rXI/AAAAAAAADhE/Tw1teTj32iE/s1600/14.jpg


Statistical anomalies are common among small samples (in the playoffs, Drexler led the 1994-95 Rockets in WS, Manu led the 2004-05 Spurs in WS, Gasol led the 2009-10 Lakers in WS ... Hakeem,Duncan and Kobe were the best players on those teams)

:applause:

[L.A. Jazz]

Tony was better 10/11, 12/13, 13/14 and is it right now. but not all-time.

[ninephive]

Also, Parker was never the best player on any of the Spur championship teams. '99 and '03 were Duncan. '05 was 1A/1B scenario where Duncan and Ginobili were equally important. '07 was Duncan. '14 was pretty much a team effort but if I had to choose the three best players in that playoff run it would be Duncan/Ginobili/Leonard. Parker was pretty horrid outside of those three games against Portland. Got his shit pushed in by Westbrook in the conference finals and got outplayed by Patty Mills in the Finals.

Not to mention Parker's disgustingly awful playoff runs in 2004 and 2006. Dude sucked hard against the Lakers and Mavs. Both were winnable years for the Spurs too.
If you say Duncan was the best player on the Spurs in '07, how in the world can you not say Parker was the best player on the Spurs in '14?

[turret]

Jabari has really impressed in Milw recently :banana:

[fpliii]

Awful thread. Kobe is a god compared to Parker.

Parker is overrated in general. Most of the hype is intended to diminish Duncan in some way, transparent as hell.

[Milbuck]

Parker been carrying the Spurs these past years. He the one that keep the Spurs going.
You spelled Popovich wrong.

[T_L_P]

You spelled Popovich wrong.

100% win record without him this year, ****boii.

;)

[Kblaze8855]

To people stupid enough to equate rings and talent I suppose.

[MastaKilla]

if this was Parker>lebron thread would have been closed days ago

[Kblaze8855]

And yet...these were not....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261528

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302848

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291487

[MastaKilla]

And yet...these were not....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261528

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302848

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291487

the first 2 threads died within 10 minutes of being posted..the last thread was during a time in the 13 season when Parker was getting some legit MVP talk..

soo?

[Kblaze8855]

They died. They didnt get deleted or closed. All we can do is get rid of it or not. How much posting is done in the topic is not in anyones control.

Inarguable anti Lebron topics are made and left alone all the time. People just pretend they dont.

[rmt]

Yah but Parker put the game out of reach when the Heat cut it to 13 early in the 4th (was 20+). Then Parker went basically perfect for the closeout quarter of the Finals. I love how your example for a bad Parker game is 16 pts (more than Duncan in G5).

And what did Kawhi "hold" Lebron to? Amazingly great shooting?

Game 5

Parker
16 pts 2 asst 38.9%FG +1 in 36 min ORtg 90 DRtg 104

Duncan
14 pts 2 asst 8 rebs 2 blks 50%FG +5 in 33 min ORtg 125 DRtg 96

Leonard
22 pts 2 asst 10 rebs 70%FG +15 in 34 min ORtg 137 DRtg 93

Here's a better picture of game 5 than just SCORING - if you pay attention to the other half of the game, a truer picture of who was more valuable is crystal clear. Spurs were pounding MIA without Parker scoring a point.

Who do the Spurs have who's capable of defending Lebron for any length of time? In the games that Leonard played high minutes and wasn't in foul trouble, Spurs blew out MIA.

[red1]

no