Why do employers pay their employees shit yet expect great work?

[russwest0]

Pay me 8 dollars an hour and take a guess on what you're gonna get? 8 dollars an hour. As I've said before, minimum wage = minimum effort is the motto that I live by and you'd be a fool to not do the same. I see first time retail chumps come into the business all the time busting their ass and I can't do anything but laugh at them.

Today one of the new guys tried to tell me that me leaning against the wall with one leg bent backwards onto the wall and my arms crossed was intimidating customers. I couldn't help but laugh at how much this guy cared about this shitty job. All I said back was "no one cares man" and then a customer overheard and I got a customer complaint and got written up for it.

and you know what changed as a result of that write up? absolutely nothing. shit is hilarious when it actually works in scaring dumb employees into working harder.

[SAKOTXA]

And this attitude is why you'll keep making 8 dollars an hour.

Keep laughing, though.:cheers:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Because there are people who are willing to do a shitty job efficiently for $8 an hour

[russwest0]

And this attitude is why you'll keep making 8 dollars an hour.

Keep laughing, though.:cheers:

My floor right now looks better than that because I'm a junior in a college atm.

[russwest0]

Because there are people who are willing to do a shitty job efficiently for $8 an hour

you mean retards?

[Budadiiii]

As long as you work hard at the important shit, then it really doesn't matter much. Your grocery store job is irrelevant in the grand scheme. Though someone like me works hard at shit that doesn't matter because I want people to be impressed by me, and thus I earn their respect and climb the social ladder. But hey, that's me

What are you majoring in?

[J Shuttlesworth]

you mean retards?
Nope. High school kids trying to make a buck, or mexicans willing to work for extra cheap.

If you have a job that only pays $8 an hour, it's probably a shitty low-skill job like fast food. You don't deserve more than $8 an hour for flipping a burger at the right time.

[russwest0]

im trying to get on at a home improvement retail store being the guy who just helps customers take shit out all day.

they make 10 an hour and it sounds like my type of job. stand around near the door, scope out all the hot ass that walks in, help guys carry their wood out to their truck, maybe they'll have a hot daughter with them.

damn, this sounds like my dream job I need to be more aggressive in leaving my current one.

[SAKOTXA]

My floor right now looks better than that because I'm a junior in a college atm.
It doesn't matter what you do, you gotta give your best effort. If you're gonna half ass the shit that you do, why do it at all?

Chances are even if you get your degree in whatever it is, you'll start at the bottom once again and it'll be up to you to separate from the other thousands of people in the same field, but you can't do that by being lazy. Hard work does pay off, buddy. Just don't develop that loser mindset. It'll take you absolutely nowhere in life.

[russwest0]

It doesn't matter what you do, you gotta give your best effort. If you're gonna half ass the shit that you do, why do it at all?

Chances are even if you get your degree in whatever it is, you'll start at the bottom once again and it'll be up to you to separate from the other thousands of people in the same field, but you can't do that by being lazy. Hard work does pay off, buddy. Just don't develop that loser mindset. It'll take you absolutely nowhere in life.

I understand what you're saying. If this were my career I'd probably take it more seriously. Although working these jobs you are surrounded by people who have this as their career and they don't do shit.

I worked at a Kmart a few years back and an old lady had worked there for 20 years and then they lowered her pay from 7.50 to 7.25 and she quit. These jobs suck dick and the employers don't give a **** about you, so why give a **** in return? So many people don't get it.

The other day right before I left for work I decided to smoke a keef bowl.... strolled into work high as f*ck and was having the greatest time. All while getting paid :lol

[SAKOTXA]

I understand what you're saying. If this were my career I'd probably take it more seriously. Although working these jobs you are surrounded by people who have this as their career and they don't do shit.

I worked at a Kmart a few years back and an old lady had worked there for 20 years and then they lowered her pay from 7.50 to 7.25 and she quit. These jobs suck dick and the employers don't give a **** about you, so why give a **** in return? So many people don't get it.

The other day right before I left for work I decided to smoke a keef bowl.... strolled into work high as f*ck and was having the greatest time. All while getting paid :lol
You'll get it one day

[IamRAMBO24]

As long as you work hard at the important shit, then it really doesn't matter much. Your grocery store job is irrelevant in the grand scheme. Though someone like me works hard at shit that doesn't matter because I want people to be impressed by me, and thus I earn their respect and climb the social ladder. But hey, that's me

What are you majoring in?

Elaborate.

[IamRAMBO24]

I can't help but agree with OP and Budadaii. Anyone who says he should work harder at $8 an hour is an idiot. There's no point working harder at sh*t pay. At the end of the day, you're still making sh*t pay. It's better to spend all that extra hard work on finding a better career.

If you find pride working at low wages and are content, then you won't get very far in life. Fact. Being disgruntle is a good thing. It is the only motivation OP has to find something better.

[Le Shaqtus]

I always work hard and it also benefits my co workers, I'm a great team mate and they do the same for me.

[bdreason]

You should take pride in everything you do in life. If you can't take pride in your work, maybe you should find another job.

[russwest0]

You should take pride in everything you do in life. If you can't take pride in your work, maybe you should find another job.

easier said than done for a college kid who isn't available to work at all times.

[Fawker]

Your experience is your respect value. that's that. experience over degrees in the real world.

[IamRAMBO24]

You should take pride in everything you do in life. If you can't take pride in your work, maybe you should find another job.

That's the whole point.

If he takes "pride" in sh*t pay, then he is telling himself he is not worth anything more than sh*t pay. It is a trap many poor employees fall into. They take pride in the hopes of moving up in the company without ever taking into consideration there are many other opportunities out there. Only when they are at their breaking point and decide to leave or get fired, they finally realize there is something better than working at their sh*t job.

Sh*t jobs should only be taken to tide a person over until something better comes along. Nobody should ever take them seriously. Let's be real and treat them for what they are.

[russwest0]

That's the whole point.

If he takes "pride" in sh*t pay, then he is telling himself he is not worth anything more than sh*t pay. It is a trap many poor employees fall into. They take pride in the hopes of moving up in the company without ever taking into consideration there are many other opportunities out there. Only when they are at their breaking point and decide to leave or get fired, they finally realize there is something better than working at their sh*t job.

Sh*t jobs should only be taken to tide a person over until something better comes along. Nobody should ever take them seriously. Let's be real and treat them for what they are.

Yup. Some guy at my old retail job came in there and did tons of work and was saying shit like "CEO's all started out bagging groceries" or some dumb shit and 3 years later.... the guy is making 7.50 with a meaningless title that just makes him do more work and have more responsibility.

[IamRAMBO24]

Your experience is your respect value. that's that. experience over degrees in the real world.

The only reason why these companies can get away with sh*t pay is because fakkits like you are spilling this bullsh*t about why they are so important. Companies will start increasing their wages when people demand it.

[Relinquish]

This is a complete and utter joke as long as I'm not misinterpreting anything.

You seem incredibly hypocritical saying this in the Obama paying employers to hire illegals thread, and then following up with your opening statement in this thread OP. In one thread you are upset over illegals being granted more vocational access in the country, when you don't want to put any effort into your minimum wage job. Illegals work hard for shit pay, and you don't. But let me get this straight, it's bad if illegals were to take away "your shit job that you give minimal effort in?" You can't walk both sides of the fence.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360980

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You're paid what the market dictates you're worth (although with minimum wage you might be paid more). Why on earth would a company accept your shitty work when they can find someone to replace you easily.

[IamRAMBO24]

You're paid what the market dictates you're worth (although with minimum wage you might be paid more). Why on earth would a company accept your shitty work when they can find someone to replace you easily.

This is the kind of thinking that allows huge corporations to pay less with more. The idea is as long as there are workers who are willing to take OP's job, he should be perfectly content with the job he is at. If it's anything, that should be the reason why he should not be content with where he is at. If he is fearful of non-english speaking immigrant workers with no education taking his job, then dude needs to re-evaluate where he is heading in the future.

The market place doesn't dictate sh*t. The worker does. An employee will only settle for a low paying job due to a weak mentality: a mentality that has given up and only views non-english speaking immigrants as a threat to their employment.

I'm advocating OP should be pissed, be disgruntle, only then will he seek for something that he's worth.

You know you've failed at life if you are perfectly "content" at a minimum wage job.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

This is the kind of thinking that allows huge corporations to pay less with more. The idea is as long as there are workers who are willing to take OP's job, he should be perfectly content with the job he is at. If it's anything, that should be the reason why he should not be content with where he is at. If he is fearful of non-english speaking immigrant workers with no education taking his job, then dude needs to re-evaluate where he is heading in the future.

The market place doesn't dictate sh*t. The worker does. An employee will only settle for a low paying job due to a weak mentality: a mentality that has given up and only views non-english speaking immigrants as a threat to their employment.

I'm advocating OP should be pissed, be disgruntle, only then will he seek for something that he's worth.

You know you've failed at life if you are perfectly "content" at a minimum wage job.

I agree. If you're not satisfied with your shitty job strive to get a better one. Don't sit around blaming the system.

OP is pissed off that his employers are expecting him to do "good work"...well yeah if you're working a minimum wage job where pretty much any person off the street can replace you and do a better job why shouldn't they expect "good work"?

[DeuceWallaces]

You know you've failed at life if you are perfectly "content" at a minimum wage job.[/I][/B]

You're content with no job and living in your mom's basement.

[IamRAMBO24]

I agree. If you're not satisfied with your shitty job strive to get a better one. Don't sit around blaming the system.

OP is pissed off that his employers are expecting him to do "good work"...well yeah if you're working a minimum wage job where pretty much any person off the street can replace you and do a better job why shouldn't they expect "good work"?

If they want good work, they should pay more, not push for illegal immigrant's rights to keep the wage low.

They've taken half of our jobs overseas for slave wages and they are trying to get the illegals in for the jobs they can't get overseas.

Your kind of mentality will eventually destroy america. Have some dignity.

[step_back]

Retail isn't exactly a career choice for most people however you can pick up some useful skills. I used to work for a company over here called John Lewis while I was studying. I sold TV's. While it was a low paying job I got a lot of insight into selling and communicating with customers. If you ever want to own your own business you can gain a lot of knowledge by working in retail.

I never liked working in retail but I was always aware that I was representing a company and it can take years to establish a good reputation. The competition especially from online retailers means you can't simply not care about anything and if your staff act that way you'll start to lose business to the competition. As soon as that happens your headed for administration. I feel some of you in here would learn from this quote.

Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping they called it Opportunity. ~ Bill Gates

[Swaggin916]

The real question is why you work for 8 dollars an hour when you can easily get food stamps, grants for school (and not use the money for school), and other freebies (especially if you can prove you are disabled in some way), and make more than 8 bucks an hour not working at all?

Check your ego for the proper return... otherwise screw it.

[IamRAMBO24]

Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping they called it Opportunity. ~ Bill Gates

Completely untrue.

If Bill Gates was flipping burgers, he wouldn't be where he is today. Americans need to stop taking it up the a*s and assume these jobs are all there is. The market doesn't dictate the pay; the people dictate the pay. When they start accepting slave labor as the norm, then the market will pay them what they are willing to accept.

Take nothing less. How much you make is entirely up to you.

[Dresta]

You should take pride in everything you do in life. If you can't take pride in your work, maybe you should find another job.
Please, enough with the pointless elevation of drudgery. There is nothing to be prideful about in drudgery, no matter the pay.

It wasn't so long ago that people were proud of the leisure time and independence they or their family had won themselves, and that could be dedicated to more useful applications of time than being compelled to menial labour by your own weakness or weak standing in society - this was seen as a form of dependence (which it is), and thus shameful.

No drudgery should be undertaken but that which seeks to put an end to one's own drudgery. If someone is content and happy working this kind of job their whole lives then that is because they have the mentality of a slave.

Swear the new adage of democratic capitalism should be 'labour for labour's sake' - it seems to fit so well with the constant rhetoric with which you are filled from childhood onwards.

[Dresta]

Retail isn't exactly a career choice for most people however you can pick up some useful skills. I used to work for a company over here called John Lewis while I was studying. I sold TV's. While it was a low paying job I got a lot of insight into selling and communicating with customers. If you ever want to own your own business you can gain a lot of knowledge by working in retail.

I never liked working in retail but I was always aware that I was representing a company and it can take years to establish a good reputation. The competition especially from online retailers means you can't simply not care about anything and if your staff act that way you'll start to lose business to the competition. As soon as that happens your headed for administration. I feel some of you in here would learn from this quote.

Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping they called it Opportunity. ~ Bill Gates
I very much agree with all in this post that is your own, pity you had to sully it with an idiot quote from good old Bill. The only value from these kind of jobs will be picking up a few skills and widening your life experience - hence, try a few different ones, it's not like minimum wage jobs are hard to get, you probably don't even have to be literate in the US.

Sorry, but what right does Bill Gates (or anyone else really) have to tell anyone that flipping burgers isn't beneath their dignity? This is a completely subjective thing and if someone feels undignified in flipping burgers, then they shouldn't really be debasing themselves in such a way, except through necessity. No advice can prevent how people feel.

I've worked a fair few bar and waiting jobs in my time, and there is certainly something degrading in both, especially the latter. I worked one till job at Wembley when temping some time ago and that was the worst, most monotonous and tedious job i've worked. There is something degrading about it, and about how these employers tend to treat people - and flipping burgers is probably worse.

John Lewis Sloan Square by any chance?

[NZStreetBaller]

As long as you have a vision beyond the job and dont fall for the trap of staying their and hoping someone will look after you financially work as hard as you can. Seriously you'll be amazed what it does for your hard working habits. if you work like crap because you get paid crap and develop too much of a sense of entitlement trust me no matter what job you get no matter how much you get paid you will have the same mentality and same work ethic.

Use these low paid early days to develop a strong work ethic and and a great working mentality and once you break out and find better jobs you'll become greater at what you do regardless of what it is.

[brantonli]

I very much agree with all in this post that is your own, pity you had to sully it with an idiot quote from good old Bill. The only value from these kind of jobs will be picking up a few skills and widening your life experience - hence, try a few different ones, it's not like minimum wage jobs are hard to get, you probably don't even have to be literate in the US.

Sorry, but what right does Bill Gates (or anyone else really) have to tell anyone that flipping burgers isn't beneath their dignity? This is a completely subjective thing and if someone feels undignified in flipping burgers, then they shouldn't really be debasing themselves in such a way, except through necessity. No advice can prevent how people feel.

I've worked a fair few bar and waiting jobs in my time, and there is certainly something degrading in both, especially the latter. I worked one till job at Wembley when temping some time ago and that was the worst, most monotonous and tedious job i've worked. There is something degrading about it, and about how these employers tend to treat people - and flipping burgers is probably worse.

John Lewis Sloan Square by any chance?

Weird, I was in John Lewis Oxford Street just yesterday, wasn't as crazed as I thought it would be on a weekend.

[Meticode]

I've always have tried to work hard at anything I do. It builds character and it builds a habit of doing good work, not getting lazy and just getting the shit done because it needs to be done.

In the end, the $8 an hour job didn't choose you, you choose to work it in the end.

[Kblaze8855]

Pride. Self respect.

Not ****ing over the people who also have shitty jobs and have to work harder to make up for you slacking off.

You shouldnt do a good job for the company. You should do a good job for the people you work with and yourself.

If you dont want to work....quit.

[nathanjizzle]

You should take pride in everything you do in life. If you can't take pride in your work, maybe you should find another job.

thats not "his work", thats someone elses business and passion.

but overall, i get the sense that op has alot of maturing to do. standing against the wall with your leg against it? you are 10? minimum wage jobs are a ripoff but they are for somepeople who arent worth much. if you cant even do that job than you are worth less, if you believe you are worth more than better yourself for a better job.

[SAKOTXA]

I'm interested to know what IamRambo and Dresta do for a living to be coming in here spewing all that bs.

OP wasn't talking about the minimum wage nor the immigrants, yet you're so blinded by the shit you argue about every day that you even turned this topic into government and Obama.

Like Kblaze said, do it for the other people working the job and do it for yourself and for your own dignity. Anybody that disagrees with this hasn't accomplished shit in life.

[wakencdukest]

OP, do what you want. If they try to fire you for being lazy and defiant, use the discrimination card. If that don't work, go with the race card, or fake injury. Either way don't worry about burning any bridges, employers are so afraid of lawsuits these days they won't even say anything bad about you when another company calls them looking for references. None of this will ever affect you in the future, so just do whatever the hell you want, whenever you want. :cheers:

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm interested to know what IamRambo and Dresta do for a living to be coming in here spewing all that bs.

OP wasn't talking about the minimum wage nor the immigrants, yet you're so blinded by the shit you argue about every day that you even turned this topic into government and Obama.

Like Kblaze said, do it for the other people working the job and do it for yourself and for your own dignity. Anybody that disagrees with this hasn't accomplished shit in life.

What you are advocating is a slave mentality. You're always giving out excuses on why these jobs are worth a damn. It is the mentality of settling for less. People who work at these dead end jobs are not spending enough time looking for opportunities somewhere else. Even if you work at Mcdonald's for a year, that is a year you could be furthering your education or looking for the thousands of openings somewhere else. If you want a low paying job, you will get it. If you want a good career, you will get it. The market place doesn't dictate sh*t. The only reason why people end up at these jobs is the slave mentality you are preaching.

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm interested to know what IamRambo and Dresta do for a living to be coming in here spewing all that bs.

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BS? It's real talk homeboy. How many people do you know are stuck at dead end jobs because they take "pride" in what they are doing in the hopes of getting that .25 raise every year or two? I'm not going to tell you what I do, but let's just say it pays pretty good since I won't allow the market place to dictate I'm worth minimum wage. Shouldn't the fact I am against low pay kind of proves I'm making good money? If I was making sh*t money and don't know any better, I would be harping the same bullsh*t you are harping.

[IamRAMBO24]

OP wasn't talking about the minimum wage nor the immigrants, yet you're so blinded by the shit you argue about every day that you even turned this topic into government and Obama.

Like Kblaze said, do it for the other people working the job and do it for yourself and for your own dignity. Anybody that disagrees with this hasn't accomplished shit in life.

1. Obama is a corporate elitist. His immigration agenda is a covert way to lower the wages while he pretends minimum pay is worth a damn. Bringing him up in this conversation fits the discussion.

2. Why should I be working for other people? They don't pay my bills. Work isn't an amusement park where we go to meet new people and make friends. Unless they have a pusseee that I can f*ck in the back seat, there should be absolutely no reason why I should work to appease them. As for my dignity .. what dignity? There's no dignity undervaluing yourself and working hard for sh*t pay. If you got a family, then you owe it to your family to find a better job so they don't starve until your next check comes.

"Dignity" and "pride" .. are meaningless terms that are nothing more than a way of rationalizing a slave mentality.

True dignity is in finding something you're worth. Period.

[Kblaze8855]

Shouldn't the fact I am against low pay kind of proves I'm making good money? If I was making sh*t money and don't know any better, I would be harping the same bullsh*t you are harping.

Clearly not....considering that this topic was started by someone working retail for nothing.

If you dont see the point in doing a good job for your pride and not making other people work harder to make up for you....oh well. But some people care about those around them...and dont want to be a dick.

Nobody said make entry level jobs a life. But you just dont show up and slack off making other people in the same situation have to work harder to make up for you.

You dont understand that you just dont understand decency.

[IamRAMBO24]

Clearly not....considering that this topic was started by someone working retail for nothing.

If you dont see the point in doing a good job for your pride and not making other people work harder to make up for you....oh well. But some people care about those around them...and dont want to be a dick.

Nobody said make entry level jobs a life. But you just dont show up and slack off making other people in the same situation have to work harder to make up for you.

You dont understand that you just dont understand decency.

Again, slave mentality. People stay at sh*t jobs because they are under this illusion the job and people need them. Dresta said it best, if he's under a sh*t situation, you can't just tell him to take "pride" and make the best of it. It's a sh*t situation. Let's not parade this slave mentality and make it out as something more than that.

[Tarik One]

That's the whole point.

If he takes "pride" in sh*t pay, then he is telling himself he is not worth anything more than sh*t pay. It is a trap many poor employees fall into. They take pride in the hopes of moving up in the company without ever taking into consideration there are many other opportunities out there. Only when they are at their breaking point and decide to leave or get fired, they finally realize there is something better than working at their sh*t job.

Sh*t jobs should only be taken to tide a person over until something better comes along. Nobody should ever take them seriously. Let's be real and treat them for what they are.

A man can never drink his fill by waiting in line for the tap.

[Kblaze8855]

As I said:


If you dont want to work....quit.

Want a better job? great. Go get it. Leave the job that isnt paying enough.

Why show up to a bad job and make the bad lives of those there worse by not doing your share?

Doing your job well because you gave your word to come and work isnt a slave mentality.Its being a man. Expecting to be paid to not work is a moochers mentality.

[MavsSuperFan]

Employees get paid based on what the market evaluates them to be worth.

A job that pays $8 an hour usually can be done by a well trained monkey. (maybe a slight exaggeration but it can be done by 99% of adults).

If you are being paid $8 hour you are very replaceable.

[IamRAMBO24]

A man can never drink his fill by waiting in line for the tap.

:applause:

[IamRAMBO24]

Employees get paid based on what the market evaluates them to be worth.
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Disagreed.

An employee is paid based on what they think they are worth.

[step_back]

I very much agree with all in this post that is your own, pity you had to sully it with an idiot quote from good old Bill. The only value from these kind of jobs will be picking up a few skills and widening your life experience - hence, try a few different ones, it's not like minimum wage jobs are hard to get, you probably don't even have to be literate in the US.

Sorry, but what right does Bill Gates (or anyone else really) have to tell anyone that flipping burgers isn't beneath their dignity? This is a completely subjective thing and if someone feels undignified in flipping burgers, then they shouldn't really be debasing themselves in such a way, except through necessity. No advice can prevent how people feel.

I've worked a fair few bar and waiting jobs in my time, and there is certainly something degrading in both, especially the latter. I worked one till job at Wembley when temping some time ago and that was the worst, most monotonous and tedious job i've worked. There is something degrading about it, and about how these employers tend to treat people - and flipping burgers is probably worse.

John Lewis Sloan Square by any chance?

I think the Bill Gates quote was fitting with the thread. Mainly because I agree with the principal. Some people seem think they're above it before they've done anything work related in life. You can't just expect to go to university and walk into a 6 figure grad job (unless you're recruited specifically) you'll most likely start at the bottom and work up. You might be a gifted entrepreneur but then I doubt you'd be working in a minimum wage job anyhow.

I agree with you that low wage jobs can be demeaning and soul destroying but if you don't feel your job defines you as a person and you're not status or money driven there's nothing wrong with it.

I for one wouldn't like to work with someone like the OP who's slacking off and letting his co-workers pick up the pieces.

[MavsSuperFan]

Disagreed.

An employee is paid based on what they think they are worth.
:lol wut? you think if a fast food worker thought they were worth 80k a year they would get that?

[qrich]

Why do lazy pieces of shit expect to get $15 an hour while doing the simplest of tasks?

[Dresta]

I'm interested to know what IamRambo and Dresta do for a living to be coming in here spewing all that bs.

OP wasn't talking about the minimum wage nor the immigrants, yet you're so blinded by the shit you argue about every day that you even turned this topic into government and Obama.

Like Kblaze said, do it for the other people working the job and do it for yourself and for your own dignity. Anybody that disagrees with this hasn't accomplished shit in life.First, the only person to mention Obama before you was not me (and it wasn't Rambo either as a matter of fact) - so maybe you should get your facts in order before you rush head-on into attacking people in such an idiotic fashion?

The rest of your post boils down to:

'anybody that disagrees with me won't accomplish shit in life! I have all the right answers when it comes to how to live life! even though all individuals are different my model fits all moulds!'

So says the narrow-minded morality of the masses in all generations, and in all its arrogance and pomposity, ever so certain of their own rectitude. No progress have ever sprung from dullards of your type.

An intelligent person probably wouldn't concentrate all his focus on flipping burgers because he would most likely be thinking of ways to discontinue the flipping of burgers. An intelligent and prideful and courageous person would resort to criminality before saturating in a world of animal fat. Instead, cowardly individuals wane away their one and only life in a tedious and pathetic existence, and to preserve whatever sanity they have left call their cowardice 'pride' or 'self-respect.' Christianity is perhaps their only saviour as it elevates the weak human characteristics they tend to exhibit into moral virtues!

Your other post was also pretty funny:


It doesn't matter what you do, you gotta give your best effort. If you're gonna half ass the shit that you do, why do it at all?

Chances are even if you get your degree in whatever it is, you'll start at the bottom once again and it'll be up to you to separate from the other thousands of people in the same field, but you can't do that by being lazy. Hard work does pay off, buddy. Just don't develop that loser mindset. It'll take you absolutely nowhere in life.
Funny, because, to me, it s you are are displaying the 'loser' mindset in full force. 'Hard work does pay off' - what does this even mean? It is indisputable untrue that it pays off in all cases. What rubbish. Nor is the work ethic required to flip burgers even remotely similar to the work ethic required to say, write books, or compose music, study and investigate the sciences etc. They require an entirely different set of skills and an entirely different kind of work ethic. I knew a guy well who was the hardest worker ever in the gym and as a fitness instructor, but when he had to sit in front of a book and learn he simply couldn't gather the motivation.

Keep up with all this mumbo jumbo if you want, but in the end you haven't got any further in justifying slaving away at a burger joint than 'labour for labour's sake' - concepts such as pride and self-respect in one's own industriousness are largely defense mechanisms, created by those working in unfulfilling jobs to justify their own sense of power and human dignity. They do not justify it in themselves as they are simply vague and abstract human constructs.

[Kblaze8855]

An intelligent person probably wouldn't concentrate all his focus on flipping burgers because he would most likely be thinking of ways to discontinue the flipping of burgers.

If it takes all your focus to be reasonably good at flipping burgers you most likely arent intelligent to begin with.

You dont have to do your best to do a good job in these kinds of jobs.

Just dont be a dick.

[Dresta]

I'm not, people who are getting all on their moral high-horses to try and make OP feel guilty for not giving his best at a shitty job are being *****.

That guy was saying 'you have to give your best effort' - i simply don't see why, and would still him to provide a tangible reason as to why you should. Employers mistreat their employees all the time, and if they notice you aren't working up to their standards they will fire you, and that's well within there right, just as it is the right of the employee to not 'give his all' to drudgery.

[Kblaze8855]

If your word is worthless and you dont care about making others work harder to make up for your laziness....fine.

But lets not act like its a respectable position to take or a decent way to behave.

If you arent willing to do the job for the money offered...dont accept the job.

How do you figure accepting someones money to do a job...then doing it poorly...is decent?

Say no. Walk away when you hear the number.

What kind of man shakes your hand and accepts your money...then does a poor job because they want more money than they agreed to accept?

A bitch. Thats the kind.

Would you honestly teach your son that kind of lesson?

Not working for less than you are worth is fine.

Accepting less than you are worth and doing a poor job is not.

Its just being a dick. To the people paying you(whatever it is...you agreed to it) and most of all...the people working with you.

I'll tell my young family members all day....**** your job...they dont care about you....if you have a better opportunity jump ship. Its about taking care of you and your loved ones.

But you do just that...go to another job.

Showing up and slacking off is a notch above stealing.

If the offer isnt enough...decline it. Just that simple.

[hateraid]

I'm not, people who are getting all on their moral high-horses to try and make OP feel guilty for not giving his best at a shitty job are being *****.

That guy was saying 'you have to give your best effort' - i simply don't see why, and would still him to provide a tangible reason as to why you should. Employers mistreat their employees all the time, and if they notice you aren't working up to their standards they will fire you, and that's well within there right, just as it is the right of the employee to not 'give his all' to drudgery.

Completely ignorant and typical response from an entitled adult today.

You get paid, bottom line do the job you're asked, otherwise don't work there.

[outbreak]

Why do lazy pieces of shit expect to get $15 an hour while doing the simplest of tasks?

I worked with a guy like this. Did the bare minimum in everything, lied when he had not done work, did pretty much nothing that other staff couldn't have done in 10-20 minutes each day. He was given a bunch of different tasks to try out and every time he would mess them up and have to have someone else take over. He would constantly bitch and moan about how he isn't paid enough and how everyone else made more than him. We all started on the same salary he was on yet everyone else had been given raises for their work and effort. Everyone else was making double what he was and he still wouldn't wake up to the fact that it was him being lazy and terrible at his job that was keeping him from making money.

You never know where you can end up with a business as well, my sister was working at a clothing store doing retail while going to uni for a law degree, she did well at retail and got promoted to manager, then when she got her degree they offered her a position at the head office running a department which utilises her law degree where she makes money now.

[IamRAMBO24]

:lol wut? you think if a fast food worker thought they were worth 80k a year they would get that?

If a person believes he is worth 80k, he wouldn't be working at a fast food joint. It is the slave mentality that many in this thread is justifying that would encourage them to take sh*t pay for hard work. I understand a person would need to start somewhere, but the problem is that many end up staying there (using this kind of justification) and not trying to find something better.

[InfiniteBaskets]

First time I noticed red and green bars splitting sides on an argument on ISH.

To address the OP's question, the employer will pay whatever they can get away with paying to produce the product or services they're selling (obviously limited by min wage). If OP gets written up a few times too many and gets canned, then they'll bring in someone else who gets paid $8 an hour. If that person slacks and gets canned and the process repeats itself enough times where customers are complaining about avoiding the establishment because workers are intimidating then the company will fork over money to rectify that issue.

Whether that'll go towards an employee orientation course, more budget for employee hiring screening, or just upping the starting salary, that's all up to the company. But no amount of money should justify shit work. You screw something up for an employer, you've technically cost him money. So now he has to lose money, and pay you money for losing it. You should always do good work for whatever money you're getting paid.

Now you want to make more money doing good work than less money? Well do the type of work that is seen as CONTRIBUTING to more money made for the employer. Instead of being a cashier, try being the guy who overseas all the cashiers, or overseas the entire district of stores. How about the guy who manages the entire marketing department of the product?

Better yet, why not go be your own employer if you hate the system so much? Plenty of 20 somethings are quitting their jobs these days and learning programming to come up with some shitty flappy bird app.

Then again, all that takes time and making money isn't for the lazy.

[gts]

Re: Why do employers pay their employees shit yet expect great work?

Because there's plenty of folks out there that would love to have a job and would supply great work for sh*t pay....

[ace23]

An intelligent person probably wouldn't concentrate all his focus on flipping burgers because he would most likely be thinking of ways to discontinue the flipping of burgers. An intelligent and prideful and courageous person would resort to criminality before saturating in a world of animal fat. Instead, cowardly individuals wane away their one and only life in a tedious and pathetic existence, and to preserve whatever sanity they have left call their cowardice 'pride' or 'self-respect.' Christianity is perhaps their only saviour as it elevates the weak human characteristics they tend to exhibit into moral virtues!
:roll: :roll:

[YouGotServed]

First, the only person to mention Obama before you was not me (and it wasn't Rambo either as a matter of fact) - so maybe you should get your facts in order before you rush head-on into attacking people in such an idiotic fashion?

The rest of your post boils down to:

'anybody that disagrees with me won't accomplish shit in life! I have all the right answers when it comes to how to live life! even though all individuals are different my model fits all moulds!'

So says the narrow-minded morality of the masses in all generations, and in all its arrogance and pomposity, ever so certain of their own rectitude. No progress have ever sprung from dullards of your type.

An intelligent person probably wouldn't concentrate all his focus on flipping burgers because he would most likely be thinking of ways to discontinue the flipping of burgers. An intelligent and prideful and courageous person would resort to criminality before saturating in a world of animal fat. Instead, cowardly individuals wane away their one and only life in a tedious and pathetic existence, and to preserve whatever sanity they have left call their cowardice 'pride' or 'self-respect.' Christianity is perhaps their only saviour as it elevates the weak human characteristics they tend to exhibit into moral virtues!

lmfao. Funniest post I've read all day.

[GimmeThat]

because people thinks that they are somehow in charge of the demand of the economy just because they are also consumers

[GimmeThat]

Re: Why do employers pay their employees shit yet expect great work?

Because there's plenty of folks out there that would love to have a job and would supply great work for sh*t pay....



right, until Peter Pan kicks Captain Hook in the nose of course.

[SAKOTXA]

Once again just ridiculous mindset and bogus comparisons.
"Slave mentality"claim was just as funny. I've done quite well for myself for having such mentality. I'll say it again since you don't comprehend the problem in what he said. I never once suggested that he should be satisfied with his entry level job; he can still continue his education while working and doing a good job in his shitty job. The job didn't pick him, he chose the job and he should do what's demanded, because otherwise he just looks like a moron that can't even succeed in an entry level job.

[IamRAMBO24]

Once again just ridiculous mindset and bogus comparisons.
"Slave mentality"claim was just as funny. I've done quite well for myself for having such mentality. I'll say it again since you don't comprehend the problem in what he said. I never once suggested that he should be satisfied with his entry level job; he can still continue his education while working and doing a good job in his shitty job. The job didn't pick him, he chose the job and he should do what's demanded, because otherwise he just looks like a moron that can't even succeed in an entry level job.

I agree, he chose the job, but now he is realizing it is a sh*t job, so I think it is better for him to be disgruntle about it in order to find the motivation to look for other opportunities. You guys are berating him and telling him to be happy he has a job in the first place. If he is unhappy, then he should look for another job. If he is f*cking off on his job, then that is better for him since he will more than likely be fired from it. You guys are encouraging the slave mentality by telling him to tough it out when it is really in his best interest to find something better when he is not happy with where he is at.

[iamgine]

Pay me 8 dollars an hour and take a guess on what you're gonna get? 8 dollars an hour. As I've said before, minimum wage = minimum effort is the motto that I live by and you'd be a fool to not do the same. I see first time retail chumps come into the business all the time busting their ass and I can't do anything but laugh at them.

Today one of the new guys tried to tell me that me leaning against the wall with one leg bent backwards onto the wall and my arms crossed was intimidating customers. I couldn't help but laugh at how much this guy cared about this shitty job. All I said back was "no one cares man" and then a customer overheard and I got a customer complaint and got written up for it.

and you know what changed as a result of that write up? absolutely nothing. shit is hilarious when it actually works in scaring dumb employees into working harder.
Well the write up should've gotten you in trouble. The system fails in your case. That is a problem with the system.

The problem with your motto is the actual minimum wage for your job might actually be $3 an hour. But the company are forced by law to pay you $8 an hour so that is actually maximum wage. Thus maximum wage = maximum effort?

[GimmeThat]

I agree, he chose the job, but now he is realizing it is a sh*t job, so I think it is better for him to be disgruntle about it in order to find the motivation to look for other opportunities. You guys are berating him and telling him to be happy he has a job in the first place. If he is unhappy, then he should look for another job. If he is f*cking off on his job, then that is better for him since he will more than likely be fired from it. You guys are encouraging the slave mentality by telling him to tough it out when it is really in his best interest to find something better when he is not happy with where he is at.


and here we have once again a shining example of the inability to differentiate the differences between intrapreneurship and entrepreneruship


but lets just hope OP has the wisdom to know the differences, and the courage to change what he/she can


disclaimer: while I am using this quote, this is not a direct response to IamRambo24

[russwest0]

You seem incredibly hypocritical saying this in the Obama paying employers to hire illegals thread, and then following up with your opening statement in this thread OP. In one thread you are upset over illegals being granted more vocational access in the country, when you don't want to put any effort into your minimum wage job. Illegals work hard for shit pay, and you don't. But let me get this straight, it's bad if illegals were to take away "your shit job that you give minimal effort in?" You can't walk both sides of the fence.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360980

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying in this post.

I don't think the government should recognize race on any level, aside for the census bureau. I also don't think it's fair to punish immigrants who came here legally by providing more incentives to hire those who came here illegally.

Regardless, if those employees are paid minimum wage, they should work like it. No reason to bust your ass at a shit job.

[oarabbus]

Supply and demand. There are more people willing to work a shitty job for $8 an hour than there are shitty $8/hr jobs.

That's it. You'd have to ask each of them their reasons that they are willing to work a shitty job but that's the answer to OP's question.

[russwest0]

Supply and demand. There are more people willing to work a shitty job for $8 an hour than there are shitty $8/hr jobs.

That's it. You'd have to ask each of them their reasons that they are willing to work a shitty job but that's the answer to OP's question.

You just have to not have a horrible interview to get these jobs. Not hard at all. At my first job I showed up and was hired on the spot. The HR lady didn't even ask me any questions.

[GimmeThat]

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying in this post.

I don't think the government should recognize race on any level, aside for the census bureau. I also don't think it's fair to punish immigrants who came here legally by providing more incentives to hire those who came here illegally.

Regardless, if those employees are paid minimum wage, they should work like it. No reason to bust your ass at a shit job.


I am glad to hear that your productivity is consistent at every single moment in time when you work.

no reasons to rest, nor go above and beyond the call of duty.

[CakeorDeath]

Doesn't really sound like your employer is expecting great work. From what you've described, the application/interview process isn't particularly difficult and the actual work is not overly complicated or strenuous (as indicated by the fact that apparently you can do it while high). I'm obviously not certain, but it sounds like you have determined that they are expecting "great work" based on the fact that you received a written warning for slacking, but that's probably not the case. In my experience, very, very few people are actually inspired to try harder or do better after a warning; usually, all a warning does is help the employer establish a paper trail in the event that they ever have to fire you.

As far as your compensation is concerned, if you are working for a reasonably large retailer, your direct supervisor likely has no say whatsoever as to what the starting wage is, and probably has very limited ability to offer salary increases unless an employee is promoted. Large companies almost always complete comparative analyses and demographic studies to determine what a competitive salary is for your job in the area you live. Cost of living, state income tax, benefit premiums, etc are all considered, and as a result, your boss is very likely given either a set salary or (at best) a range that he/she is able to pay. As a result, if you want more money, you have two options: work your ass off in order to earn a promotion, or as Rambo has been saying, find another job that pays better, though don't go into an interview expecting to be able to negotiate salary. Unless you are going for a job that requires unique skills/talents that you have, the interviewing manager likely won't be able to offer you more. They will simply take the best applicant willing to work for the posted wage.

[JohnnySic]

This is why they hire illegals. They work hard for crap pay.

[riseagainst]

maybe you should spend your efforts looking for opportunities instead of ranting on a basketball forum. I completed 3 years out of 4 in my undergrad for computer science and decided to fck it because it's so fcking pointless. I went out and found a software engineering position at this software company. Now i am making 80k a year with barely 3 quarters of a degree. I quit school cus why? Sh1t's pointless. I have a higher starting salary than people graduating with Master's.

[Kblaze8855]

Regardless, if those employees are paid minimum wage, they should work like it. No reason to bust your ass at a shit job.

They...unlike you...tend to have pride. And are trying to be responsible and help the family.

I dont know why you make these topics. You are lazy....and showing up to a job expecting money to perform poorly because the money you told them was enough to do the job...isnt.

Its just a dick move.

If the job is so awful...quit. Why are you still going?

[hateraid]

What is with all the slave mentality talk? You are getting paid!
Slavery is to force somebody to work against his or her will without any pay.

For those who won't put maximum effort to for base pay, leave it for the individuals who will do it.
If people encourage getting paid to slack off, that's a shitty mentality and an extremely shitty employer.

[ballup]

*Applies to job that requires friendly customer service*
"Oh man, they don't pay me enough for the effort they want me to put in"

Better opt to not let future interviewers contact your current boss.

[russwest0]

*Applies to job that requires friendly customer service*
"Oh man, they don't pay me enough for the effort they want me to put in"

Better opt to not let future interviewers contact your current boss.

my job doesn't really require friendly customer service. i just walk around, keep the store clean, stock shit if I want, etc.

[ace23]

maybe you should spend your efforts looking for opportunities instead of ranting on a basketball forum. I completed 3 years out of 4 in my undergrad for computer science and decided to fck it because it's so fcking pointless. I went out and found a software engineering position at this software company. Now i am making 80k a year with barely 3 quarters of a degree. I quit school cus why? Sh1t's pointless. I have a higher starting salary than people graduating with Master's.
And you think you would have gotten that job without those 3 years of school? Not saying school is necessary, but that's the best example you could come up with? Lol

[ballup]

People are also forgetting that when you are working, you are being paid to be a representative of that company. Retail companies require their employees to behave in a positive way. That's part of the $8 you are paid and you agreed with their terms on your first day.

[DeuceWallaces]

maybe you should spend your efforts looking for opportunities instead of ranting on a basketball forum. I completed 3 years out of 4 in my undergrad for computer science and decided to fck it because it's so fcking pointless. I went out and found a software engineering position at this software company. Now i am making 80k a year with barely 3 quarters of a degree. I quit school cus why? Sh1t's pointless. I have a higher starting salary than people graduating with Master's.

Lol you got that job because you had 3 years of training. Moreover, your long term promotion and earning potential is very limited because you won't do 9 more months of school.

[riseagainst]

And you think you would have gotten that job without those 3 years of school? Not saying school is necessary, but that's the best example you could come up with? Lol

the company's requirement was:
___
___
bachelor's degree in computer science/software engineering/etc
___
___

people usually don't even apply for positions that list it as a requirement. But i went full fck mode and did it anyway. Got an interview and took a technical test. They ended up picking me over 3 or so other candidates that were all degree'd already because I impressed them with my answers.

[riseagainst]

Lol you got that job because you had 3 years of training. Moreover, your long term promotion and earning potential is very limited because you won't do 9 more months of school.

average starting salary for a software related engineers/developers with bachelors are 45k-55k, 60 if you are lucky. With a master's it's 10k more roughly.

[ace23]

the company's requirement was:
___
___
bachelor's degree in computer science/software engineering/etc
___
___

people usually don't even apply for positions that list it as a requirement. But i went full fck mode and did it anyway. Got an interview and took a technical test. They ended up picking me over 3 or so other candidates that were all degree'd already because I impressed them with my answers.
You didn't address my point at all.

[DeuceWallaces]

average starting salary for a software related engineers/developers with bachelors are 45k-55k, 60 if you are lucky. With a master's it's 10k more roughly.

That's irrelevant. So you got lucky. If you had a BS or MS maybe you would have gotten 90K. You don't even have a BS in a technical field. I hope you're happy with your entry level job because you're going to have it for a long time.

[riseagainst]

That's irrelevant. So you got lucky. If you had a BS or MS maybe you would have gotten 90K. You don't even have a BS in a technical field. I hope you're happy with your entry level job because you're going to have it for a long time.

the position is: junior developer.
And why would that be irrelevant? I'm starting on 30k more than most graduate developers, 15-20k more than master's graduates. And i'm entering the work force at least a year earlier. And what makes you say i will have my entry level job for a "long time?" :confusedshrug:

[russwest0]

Came close to getting another customer complaint yesterday

I came into work and said to some guy I work with "Have you ever been driving and see another car on the other side of the road and think of ending it all there?"

some customer nearby stopped and just looked at me... it seemed like a glare for like 5 seconds but then me and the customer laughed our asses off and I told him I was just joking lol

[DeuceWallaces]

the position is: junior developer.
And why would that be irrelevant? I'm starting on 30k more than most graduate developers, 15-20k more than master's graduates. And i'm entering the work force at least a year earlier. And what makes you say i will have my entry level job for a "long time?" :confusedshrug:

You probably would have gotten more with a degree. You will have your current job because promotion will be dependent on a degree.

[outbreak]

the company's requirement was:
___
___
bachelor's degree in computer science/software engineering/etc
___
___

people usually don't even apply for positions that list it as a requirement. But i went full fck mode and did it anyway. Got an interview and took a technical test. They ended up picking me over 3 or so other candidates that were all degree'd already because I impressed them with my answers.

I've found in I.T experience rules all. If you come to an interview with some degrees and zero experience most places will take the guy with no degrees and afew years of actual experience. Real world I.T can be very different to the tests and theory you learn getting a degree. Most big companies provide funding to people to further their education once hired as well.

[oarabbus]

Came close to getting another customer complaint yesterday

I came into work and said to some guy I work with "Have you ever been driving and see another car on the other side of the road and think of ending it all there?"

some customer nearby stopped and just looked at me... it seemed like a glare for like 5 seconds but then me and the customer laughed our asses off and I told him I was just joking lol


Bruh you have been talking about this an awful lot lately, what gives?

[russwest0]

Bruh you have been talking about this an awful lot lately, what gives?

it was a joke man.

[gts]

Russ I'm thinking you should be more like Shane here...


http://slaiter2.inspireworthy.com/meet-shane-the-single-greatest-walmart-employee-of-all-time-i-died-laughing-at-8