So is Jabari Parker clearly the ROY so far?

[russwest0]

Or is there someone else that I'm missing?

[sick_brah07]

Or is there someone else that I'm missing?


If he was on minny he would be averaging 20-22 .... but wiggins will be let loose towards the end alittle more and get it based on averages

[SugarHill]

If he was on minny he would be averaging 20-22 .... but wiggins will be let loose towards the end alittle more and get it based on averages
What makes you think that?:biggums:

[Milbuck]

He should be but I'm sure Brandon "Magic" Knight will find a way to **** it up.
If he was on minny he would be averaging 20-22 .... but wiggins will be let loose towards the end alittle more and get it based on averages
He'd be consistently putting up 16-19 ppg if we played a PG that wasn't retarded. There's just no way for him to get into a rhythm when our PG dribbles around for 18 seconds, either takes a stupid shot or gets trapped and makes a stupid pass. Or when Kidd takes him out even when he's having a good game and closes games with scrubs like Jared Dudley and Ilyasova. He's had some bad games but overall when he's been given minutes and isn't frozen out of the offense..he's been really nice.

[chocolatethunder]

I wanna be honest, I agree with what you're saying about Knight but Parker has still disappointed me. I just thought he would have an easier time scoring.

I want to say that my dark horse for ROY is KJ McDaniels. He scores about one point less than parker in 6 less minutes. He's a really good defender and although he's not considered a shooter and his % will be lower at the end of the year, at this point he's shooting 45/40/75. He's a very high energy guy and he also averages a little over a block a game (for a wing that's really good). I really like this guy.

[kurple]

How is Nerlens Noel doing?

[shallehalle]

This rookie class has really disappointed me

[mattvNJ]

This rookie class has really disappointed me

Same... really ****ing boring, no legit super stand outs

I guess itll be a class that grows rather than be immediate impacts. Wiggins, Parker, Randle(wish he wasnt hurt) were the core i looked out for

Guys like Vonleh havent gotten much time, also the crappy teams need to let these rooks shine.

[coin24]

After all the hype about this draft class it's been pretty average at best..

[dontgetchoked]

I don't think he will win but mirotic has been beasting with taj injured. 6 blocks the other day, 20/11 vs Portland and his 3 point soy is wet when he isn't pumpfaking.

[chocolatethunder]

How is Nerlens Noel doing?
He's doing ok. He's really thin and that's a big problem for him. He's getting 6.5 boards a game which isn't bad but it's not amazing. KJ McDaniels and he are getting the same amount of blocks per game at 1.3bpg. That's great for McDaniel but doesn't make Noel look great. The dude is an awful and I mean awful FT shooter shooting 40%. He's very awkward offensively and has a lot of room for growth. He's too thin and light to defend well one on one but he's good from the weak side. He's never going to be a good offensive player which isn't bad. He needs to shoot for being a Theo Ratliff kind of player. If he can do that I'd consider him a huge success. This guy will never average 16 ppg but if he puts on weight he has the potential to block three shots and grab 10-12 boards a night. So if he ended up being a good defender who averages 14 ppg 11rb and 2.5 blocks I would think that's really good. He's not going to win ROY this year no way. He's really really raw. They worked with him all last year on his shot and he's still bad offensively. My friend played on their summer league team and had to guard him every practice. He told me he was one of the worst FT shooters he'd ever seen and that's proven to be true.

Anyway, I'm not complaining nor am I unhappy. I'm just trying to give an objective assessment as a Sixer fan. I'm happy with him and he's neither under nor over performing at this point. It's a long season and I'd like to see how things are in three or four months.

[midatlantic09]

Honestly, I'd vote for KJ McDaniels if the season ended today. He's been the most consistent rookie thus far.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Mirotic is beasting since Taj injury, He is improving quickly and can become a candidate at the end of the season. 12.6ppg 8rpg in the last 5 games.

Also I would like to see Nurkic getting more minutes, I loved the times I've seen him play but the kid barely play.

[russwest0]

I knew KJ McDaniels would be this good. I made a thread about him being the biggest sleeper in the draft.

I need to try and dig it up.

[Patrick Chewing]

How is Nerlens Noel doing?


Leading all rookies with 6.5rpg :facepalm

[russwest0]

Nerlens Noel has been a pretty big disappointment.

Not producing much on the glass or in the blocks department which is where you figure he'd be contributing.

[chocolatethunder]

Nerlens Noel has been a pretty big disappointment.

Not producing much on the glass or in the blocks department which is where you figure he'd be contributing.
If you watched him play you would know that he isn't ready to rebound a lot. He's way too thin and gets pushed around like a rag doll. So at this stage 6.5rb is pretty much what everyone should be expecting. The blocks are low but again, he can't get position easily because of his lack of size. If you were expecting 10 boards and 3 blocks this year then you just weren't being realistic. This guy's ceiling is Theo Ratliff at his peak. That's not bad but I don't know what people were expecting from him.

[DukeDelonte13]

If only Embiid was healthy...

still a little early for the majority of these rookies to get in their comfort zones but as other posters have said this class was a little over hyped.

[Nash]

Zach Lavine with an impressive run?

[salwan]

small sample size, due to an injury, but Smart has impressed me with his demeanor.

at worst he should become a real intangibles guy with a big defensive impact (for a perimeter player), who can handle the rock as well (unlike a tony allen - not saying he's gonna be necessarily as good defensively - or avery bradley. in addition, bradley is undersized and his defense is quite inconsistent).

I just hope Smart starts attacking the basket instead of falling in love with his jumper (which is not good enough right now). in college, he had crazy numbers finishing at the basket and got fouled a lot, IIRC

[ImKobe]

Jabar's gonna have a good career.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm going to remain patient with these guys because going one and done and playing against grown men as a teenager is a lot to ask out of any player. Still, I'd be lying if I said I'm not a little disappointed in this class so far. It isn't like there isn't a precedent for guys stepping right in and playing at a high level, even among the players coming straight out of high school or the one and doners.

I really thought Parker would step into the league as one of those 15-20 point per game scorers. It just hasn't been there yet and the transition is taking time. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I expected a little more... not just from him, but the whole class.

[outbreak]

I'm not disappointed. No one has jumped out of the gates but there's like 10 guys who have all shown flashes of legit potential. Right now Jabari has been my ROY. Payton has shown 2-3 games where he has looked good enough for it but has been far too inconsistent. I wouldn't be surprised if someone picks it up after the all star break and runs away with the award this season.

[Dengness9]

I don't think he will win but mirotic has been beasting with taj injured. 6 blocks the other day, 20/11 vs Portland and his 3 point soy is wet when he isn't pumpfaking.


If he wasnt on a deep team and got more run, he'd be near the top at least . It was 5 blks and 24/10 against Portland FWIW.

12/12 last night and was everywhere in the BK win.

Jabari is my dude. I want to see the Bucks focus on him more but the team has had a nice start so go with what works I guess for now.

[Sportal]

Well.. I was extremely excited on draft day, for every team with a big name rookie. But so far its been kinda "Meh". Its ok so far, I see Jabari with his 8 shots a game, but hey, the Bucks are winning, they have a seed right now, who cares right? If it was "my team sucks and is 3-15 so far", then he'd probably be getting that 11 to 20 shots a game. Probably average 20ppg too, but its not the case.

Embiid would have had this class looking a lot more interesting. With Smart and Randle being injured too... Embiid, Okafor and Mudiay anyone?

[G-train]

If I was disappointed in a rookie class after 4 weeks, I would have given up the NBA decades ago.

[hiphopfan777]

they are all busts in my opinion. all the hype for the players was fake.

[outbreak]

they are all busts in my opinion. all the hype for the players was fake.
:facepalm

[midatlantic09]

If I was disappointed in a rookie class after 4 weeks, I would have given up the NBA decades ago.

I think most people are disappointed because there's usually at least 1 rookie from each draft class who puts up excellent numbers right away. This year, that 1 doesn't exist despite this draft being hyped as one of the best in quite some time. You'd think that at least one of the draft picks would have come out and put up 17+ ppg.

[noob cake]

Parker is by far the best player in this draft right now. He is the only rotation minute rookie right now averaging 15+ PER (homeboy Wiggins is at 9 PER with the 3rd lowest assist rate)


Jason Kidd's not playing him + Knight's chucking + Knight's lack of point guard skills is hurting his production and growth.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/VORP

[russwest0]

Yeah, looking at Mirotic's stats has me impressed.

Chicago's frontcourt is ****ing loaded.

[Sportal]

Jason Kidd's not playing him + Knight's chucking + Knight's lack of point guard skills is hurting his production and growth.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/VORP

Its easy to say this... But as I said, the Bucks are winning. By the time it gets to the end of the season, if the Bucks are in the Playoffs I could see him doing some work.

[outbreak]

Parker is by far the best player in this draft right now. He is the only rotation minute rookie right now averaging 15+ PER (homeboy Wiggins is at 9 PER with the 3rd lowest assist rate)


Jason Kidd's not playing him + Knight's chucking + Knight's lack of point guard skills is hurting his production and growth.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/VORP

Gordon was above 15 PER before going down, he was leading rookies before being hurt and that was with some poor games early. He looked much better than I thought he would look this early but still Parker is FAR more refined offensively.

[noob cake]

Gordon was above 15 PER before going down, he was leading rookies before being hurt and that was with some poor games early. He looked much better than I thought he would look this early but still Parker is FAR more refined offensively.

Gordon plays half the minutes. 15 mpg is very different from almost 30 mpg.

[Fork]

Wasn't this draft class supposed to be on par with 2003? :lol

[dreamwarrior]

By default, sure, but he is putting up 10ppg as his teams 1st option.

[navy]

By default, sure, but he is putting up 10ppg as his teams 1st option.
Knight and Oj Majo?

[Milbuck]

By default, sure, but he is putting up 10ppg as his teams 1st option.
http://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-977264649.gif

[Dengness9]

Parker is by far the best player in this draft right now. He is the only rotation minute rookie right now averaging 15+ PER (homeboy Wiggins is at 9 PER with the 3rd lowest assist rate)


Jason Kidd's not playing him + Knight's chucking + Knight's lack of point guard skills is hurting his production and growth.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/VORP

This isn't against Parker, but Mirotic is a huge rotation player right now with Taj hurt and Noah on minute restriction. Mirotic's per is at 15.85.

In the last 5 games since Niko has truly joined the rotation, he is avg 12.6/8.6/1.6 with 1.0spg/1.4bpg/1.6 3pg. Those are nice numbers for 26.7 mpg in that span. He's also shooting 48% from the field in that stretch and 47% from 3 pt.

[Milbuck]

This isn't against Parker, but Mirotic is a huge rotation player right now with Taj hurt and Noah on minute restriction. Mirotic's per is at 15.85.

In the last 5 games since Niko has truly joined the rotation, he is avg 12.6/8.6/1.6 with 1.0spg/1.4bpg/1.6 3pg. Those are nice numbers for 26.7 mpg in that span. He's also shooting 48% from the field in that stretch and 47% from 3 pt.
I've watched a lot of Bulls games, I would have no problem with Niko winning ROY. Dude's gonna be special, he's just so damn unique and his game is so versatile, he's gonna cover up a lot of their flaws going forward. Can shoot the lights out, can put the ball on the floor and out-quick most big men, can block shots, can pass, just an all-around beast for a rookie.

[Angel Face]

So far I'm disappointed about this rookie draft class. Based on their hype before the draft, I was expecting these guys to drop like 20ppg on consistent basis every night. It is said that they're the best draft class since 2003 so far they aren't. I like Bulls picks tho.

[BIZARRO]

I echo some of the sentiments so far regarding Jabari and Niko being the leading candidates.

Have watched almost every game of both (as a Jabari fan, and Bulls fan). Brandon Knight is killing Jabari Parker. I'm convinced of that, and have been since the beginning of the season. Knight is the king of wasting the shot clock and then chucking some wild layup/jumper, etc. I feel like has has almost been freezing out Jabari. Seriously, whenever Jabari pops out, calls for it he just looks him off, drives, finds someone else.
Jabari is a different player when Knight is not on the floor, and a much more productive one. Feel like he'd be avg. about 5 more ppg with Knight.
Anyway, they're winning, so it's hard to make that case about/against Knight, but their schedule is nasty in the next couple of weeks and I feel like they're gonna dip below 500 again.
Just wish we had a different point guard who could actually not stifle Jabari and get him the ball in good positions. Or get him the ball period.

Niko's been good, probably a little ahead of Jabari right now. Just more experience. It's close, but I'd probably give Niko a slight ROY edge if the season ended today, due to the way he's performed in a crowded Bulls rotation.

On a different note however, to say he makes Taj expendable at the end of the year, as some are saying, is just way off. Totally different players, and Taj is one of those almost one of those players you can't replace (along with Butler, Noah) as he is tough as nails, sick on D, and a great team guy.
To not pay him because you have Niko would not be wise in my opinion. Then again they should have paid Butler, the morons. Then again, we never should have paid Cutler. Though that's a different story. :D