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unbreakable
12-02-2014, 11:06 AM
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not on that Melo level yet ,but he'll be there soon. Rumors are surfacing that Kawhi trained with MJ this summer after signing to Jordan Brand late last year

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SCdac
12-02-2014, 11:13 AM
His post game is really solid and was last season too. He's strong, quick, and not short for his position. Good footwork. His jumper allows him drive or fade away. Just another tool for him outside of slashing and shooting the 3 ball. There's other good vids and gifs of him posting up.

blacknapalm
12-02-2014, 11:29 AM
solid but not flashy footwork, very little wasted movement. just such a spurs player when you think about it. he's going to be a borderline superstar, his work ethic won't accept less. i think some expected more points this season, myself included. i thought around 20 ppg was doable, but he should near 17 ppg by season's end. then again, he doesn't average more than 12 FGA's a game.

i've been too busy to catch some games this season, so i have to ask. i know pop said he was going to run more plays for him this season...how is that going?

Burgz V2
12-02-2014, 12:11 PM
he has the tools to be an absolutely deadly post player. The length, athleticism, the large hands. I've watched a handful of Spurs games this season and it looks as if he's been doing it for a while now. Hopefully he can keep it up, they need some consistent way to reward him for his defense, what better than to throw it to him down low.

Haymaker
12-02-2014, 12:18 PM
i've been too busy to catch some games this season, so i have to ask. i know pop said he was going to run more plays for him this season...how is that going?

He's been doing it here and there and it's worked out pretty well but my guess is that Pop won't burn him if he feels there's no need to. Parker is still the main scorer and the Spurs are still a .500+ team even with the injuries. Plus the Spurs will never be a team based on a pure scorer.

hitmanyr2k
12-02-2014, 12:41 PM
I've been saying for the longest time lengthy SFs like Durant should be developing post games so they're not getting bullied in the postseason and having to heave 25 foot three point shots because they don't have enough in their arsenal to get anything better. Kawhi already had a decent post game last year with the fadeaway and jumphook. He just needs to fine tune his footwork so he has counters against doubleteams and guys clogging the paint.

SsKSpurs21
12-02-2014, 12:42 PM
solid but not flashy footwork, very little wasted movement. just such a spurs player when you think about it. he's going to be a borderline superstar, his work ethic won't accept less. i think some expected more points this season, myself included. i thought around 20 ppg was doable, but he should near 17 ppg by season's end. then again, he doesn't average more than 12 FGA's a game.

i've been too busy to catch some games this season, so i have to ask. i know pop said he was going to run more plays for him this season...how is that going?

when given the green light he has been able to perform...

through 66 games last year he only scored 20+ points 3 times. through 16 games this year he has already put up 20+ points 4 times.

like haymaker said, parker is still the main scorer and the spurs spread the offense. we dont rely on just one guy to do all the scoring, but pop puts kawhi is certain situations thoughout the game to see if he can take over the game. usually when the spurs are up big they will start feeding it to kawhi to see if he can maintain the lead by himself.

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 12:46 PM
GTFO:biggums:


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12-02-2014, 12:47 PM
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Paul George 24
12-02-2014, 12:53 PM
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THZ TO BOSH AND WADE :lol
AND HIS POST MOVES IS SO UGLY

LEFLOP STAN IS STILL MAD HE GOT DESTROYRF BY LEONARD LAST SEASON :banana:

Dro
12-02-2014, 01:00 PM
I agree with the OP...PG definitely needs to work on his post game.....

Natureland
12-02-2014, 01:02 PM
Durant's efficient in the post, he simply needs to use it more.

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:06 PM
THZ TO BOSH AND WADE :lol
AND HIS POST MOVES IS SO UGLY



LBJ is a monster in the post:cheers: :eek:


LeBron James, Low-Post Beast



In Game 4 of the 2012 NBA Finals, he finally unleashed it.

From the second quarter on, when the Heat erased the Thunder's early 17-point lead, James parked his butt in the post 14 times. Up until that point, the Thunder had gotten away with defending James with a combination of Thabo Sefolosha and James Harden, both of whom are much smaller and thinner than James. It worked in the first quarter because James wasn't being assertive. From the second quarter on, it didn't work, because James wouldn't let it work.

Here are the results of those 14 post-ups.

Points scored by LeBron James: 12.
Points scored by others on James kick-outs: 9.
Total points: 21.
Open shots missed by others: 2.
Free-throw percentage on plays where James was fouled: 50 percent (2 of 4).
Times when a post-up didn't result in an open shot: 1.

That one non-open shot? It was at the end of the third quarter, when a red-hot James forced a heat-check three-pointer with the shot clock about to expire. Otherwise, it was a brilliant display.

The great thing about James' approach was the way he mixed things up. When he was double-teamed, he accepted them and kicked out to open shooters at the perfect time. When he wasn't double-teamed, he remained patient and got the best shot he could.

This play from the second quarter is an example of the former. In the first screenshot, Derek Fisher is double-teaming James, and there appears to be an easy pass to Norris Cole for a three.

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Magic Johnson, the one-time Lakers legend, used to make a living in the post by the end of his career. He'd use his burly frame to back down opponents, forcing them to pick their poison. If they double-teamed, Johnson would stay patient and use his incredible court vision to pick out open shooters. If they didn't, he would use his strength and developing post moves to score easily. Many have clamored for James to play more like Johnson, and in Game 4, he finally did.

But in many ways, James' feat is more impressive than Johnson's. The rules back in 1989 were far friendlier to post-up players than they are in 2012. Back in the day, if the defense wanted to double team, they had to actually double team. If they went halfway and tried to guard an area to cut off passing lanes, it was an illegal defense. Simply put, there were only a handful of defensive coverages that Johnson had to master to be effective in the post.

Nowadays, though, the rules aren't so strict. When the NBA allowed teams to play zone defense starting in 2002, what really ended up happening was that man-to-man defense fundamentally changed. Help defenders can now position themselves anywhere on the floor, whether their man is near them or not. The only restriction is they can't stay in the key guarding nobody for more than three seconds, but that rule is rarely enforced and doesn't come into play when double-teaming the post.

This makes it really difficult for post players to generate enough space to dominate. In his day, Johnson had to account for two types of defenses: double teams and single coverage. James, though, has to account for an unlimited amount of coverages in addition to those two. Is the wing player zoning up? Is he doing it to the middle? Is he coming to zone before James makes his move or after? Is a big man cheating to cut off the paint, or is he staying at home? Is he cheating before the move or is he waiting until James starts to drive? Is the zone that all four other defenders are playing on the opposite side a real zone, or is it disguised? There's just so much more information for James to process on a given post-up to make the right decision.

And yet, despite all this, James has managed to grow into the dominant post player we all hoped he would.

As the Thunder now know, you can't defend James with a small player anymore and hope to take him out of his comfort zones. He'll get close to the basket one way or another, and he'll find a way to beat any coverage you throw at him.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/6/20/3099027/lebron-james-heat-vs-thunder-nba-finals-2012


[quote][b]The Unique Ubiquity of LeBron James on the Cover of This Week

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:09 PM
..let's not even get started in passing out of the post. lebron has no equal. He's a dual threat to score or pick you apart with darts from the post:applause: :bowdown:


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12-02-2014, 01:10 PM
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Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:12 PM
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....none of these perimeter players are in LBJ's league from the post:rockon:

Rose'sACL
12-02-2014, 01:15 PM
....none of these perimeter players are in LBJ's league from the post:rockon:
melo is. melo and lebron are the best post players among perimeter players.

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:17 PM
left handed hook shot cant be stopped

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Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:19 PM
melo is. melo and lebron are the best post players among perimeter players.


Melo only scores out of the post. Like the article I posted clearly makes clear, Lebron scores and assists:pimp:



The Unique Ubiquity of LeBron James on the Cover of This Week’s Sports Illustrated (2013)

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LeBron James’s ability to contribute at a high level at all five positions places him among the most versatile players the NBA has ever seen. This week’s SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, which features James on the cover, breaks down James’s stunning array of skills, position by position, with takes by Lee Jenkins, Chris Ballard, Ian Thomsen, Mark Jackson and Bill Walton. This is the 19th SI cover for James; the last time he appeared was when he was named the 2012 SI Sportsman of the Year.

Small Forward: Since every player requires a position, Heat coach Erik Spoelestra pencils in James at small forward. Often manned by the most versatile player on the floor, the three spot is where the 6′ 8″, 250-pound star seems to fit best. Jenkins says, “James performs all the job’s diverse duties: slashing inside for layups and stepping out for three-pointers, handling the ball and hitting the glass, accepting the toughest defensive assignments and smothering them.” (PAGE 32)

Point Guard: Warriors coach Mark Jackson, a former point guard for 17 years in the NBA, says James’s skills at the point are similar to Magic Johnson’s, if Johnson had possessed the ability to score 30 every day. “To me, he has the chance to be the leading scorer in the history of this game and one of the top five assists guys,” says Jackson. “That’s how special he is.” (PAGE 33) Jackson says that in addition to being an excellent passer, James uses his length and strength to disrupt opposing point guards on the defensive end. “Even if he had to play only point guard on both offense and defense, he’s my Number 1 pick at the position right now,” says Jackson. (PAGE 33)

Shooting Guard: When James entered the league, he struggled with his outside shooting—teams dared him to shoot threes as he often took off-balance shots. Since his days in Cleveland, Ballard finds that James has worked with a shooting coach to create a “calmer” shot, which has helped turn him into a better long-range shooter. Now, Spoelestra takes James off the ball for large chunks of time, which enables James to take more efficient spot-up jump shots.“LeBron James could be, would be and is an excellent shooting guard,” says Ballard. “He can drive, he can score and he can defend opposing twos.” (PAGE 34)

Power Forward: James recently developed a post-up game, in which he bangs and bruises like a power forward, writes Ian Thomsen. After working on post moves with Hakeem Olajuwon before last season, teams now fear James inside—a place where he is one dribble from the basket and one kick-out pass from finding a wide-open shooter. “When the time is right, James could yet become the league’s most challenging power forward, having both an unparalleled ability to pass out of the post combined with a touch that will stretch defenses out to the three-point line,” says Thomsen. “It’s shocking to be the best player in the world and continue to improve,” says Pacers coach Frank Vogel. (PAGE 36)

http://insidesportsillustrated.com/2013/05/29/lebronjamessicover6313/

Fudge
12-02-2014, 01:21 PM
Hoopz melting down with his copy+pastes again. :yaohappy:

hitmanyr2k
12-02-2014, 01:21 PM
Durant's efficient in the post, he simply needs to use it more.

Durant and Lebron hardly use their post games in the playoffs. Durant still can't seal his man effectively and gets bullied. Once defenses figure out Lebron's two post moves he abandons it completely.

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:24 PM
Hoopz melting down with his copy+pastes again. :yaohappy:

Facts son, no melting down like your boy Durant who lebron owns:pimp:

Fudge
12-02-2014, 01:25 PM
Facts son, no melting down like your boy Durant who owns lebron:pimp:
Fail.

Nice edit. :yaohappy:

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:29 PM
Fail.

Nice edit. :yaohappy:


that durant struggle against a man child


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Fudge
12-02-2014, 01:30 PM
Stop melting down, Hoopz. It's too early for this.

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:40 PM
Stop melting down, Hoopz. It's too early for this.


too easy


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Durant wishes he could man handle Tony Allen in the post like a ragdoll the way James can:oldlol:


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Fudge
12-02-2014, 01:42 PM
What did I just tell you, Hoopz? It's too early for your little shenanigans right now.

Meltdown galore.

Hoopz2332
12-02-2014, 01:47 PM
What did I just tell you, Hoopz? It's too early for your little shenanigans right now.

Meltdown galore.


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Fudge
12-02-2014, 01:50 PM
Stop it, Hoopz. This is getting out of hand now.

This is not healthy.

Paul George 24
12-02-2014, 02:58 PM
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LEONARD OWNED JAMES :lol

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sammichoffate
12-02-2014, 03:38 PM
Chernobyl by Hoopz :lol