Kobe having the most prolific 19th season of all time...

[stalkerforlife]

When you think of all time greats in their 19th season in terms of greatness, these are the players you come up with...(This is what they did in their 9th season)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (15.8 PER): 14.6 points, 6.0 rebounds, 1.2 blocks
Karl Malone (17.8 PER): 13.2 points, 8.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists
John Stockton (21.0 PER): 10.8 points, 7.7 assists, 1.7 steals
Kobe Bryant(20.9 PER): 26.6 points, 5.4 rebounds, 4.6 assists

Additionally, the Black Mamba is starting to heat up and has averaged 28.5 points, 8.5 assists, and 8.0 rebounds on 50.0 percent shooting over the last two games

[kurple]

most players didnt go to the NBA straight from HS

[Real Men Wear Green]

Almost as good as an old John Stockton. Cool.

[stalkerforlife]

most players didnt go to the NBA straight from HS

Betas make excuses.

Kobe just balls.

[stalkerforlife]

Almost as good as an old John Stockton. Cool.

:kobe:

Laughable.

And mods shouldn't troll.

[Beastmode88]

Betas make excuses.

Kobe just balls.

Whats the laker's current record?

[stalkerforlife]

Whats the laker's current record?

We're talking about individual play. Kobe has the worst supporting cast in the league.

[kurple]

Whats the laker's current record?
their season started right before the raptors game. so 1-0

[Fudge]

Top 5 player at the moment, at 36 years old. Unreal.

[BigBoss]

most players didnt go to the NBA straight from HS

Yeah they went to college and still fell off before Kobe :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Top 5 player at the moment, at 36 years old. Unreal.

Yep.

[Kblaze8855]

Betas make excuses.

Kobe just balls.

What he said isnt an excuse....

You start at 18...of course you have a better chance of still being good a set number of years later. You cant compare a guy who came in at 22-23 to Kobe and act like its fair.

Maybe do it by age. Which is impressive enough.

This is about like those "Youngest to ____" records they dont stop making a big deal of. Kobe sets one...Lebron breaks it...and every time they post it next to guys from the past who came in in their 20s.

And people really post "Youngest to ____ points" as if they dont know Lebron came in at 18 and Wilt or whoever at 22.

The small patch of guys who came in when they started taking kids and before they stopped allowing it have an obvious advantage.

Though most of them didnt last as long as Kobe anyway.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:kobe:

Laughable.

And mods shouldn't troll.
You do nothing but troll but complain when you get a small amount back? Tsk.

[stalkerforlife]

You do nothing but troll but complain when you get a small amount back? Tsk.

Are you implying this thread is a troll?

Your interpretation skills are lacking. Tsk.

[Beastmode88]

We're talking about individual play. Kobe has the worst supporting cast in the league.

Have you been watching the laker's fourth quarter? Chuckbe has been making some of the worst shots ever. Double team and still chucks away. :facepalm

[T_L_P]

Plenty of better 36 year olds though.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Are you implying this thread is a troll?

Your interpretation skills are lacking. Tsk.
Of course this thread is troll. You post new crap about Bryant every day. You sit around and dream up new ways to try and praise him and this is the best you can do. You actually suck at trolling.

[stalkerforlife]

What he said isnt an excuse....

You start at 18...of course you have a better chance of still being good a set number of years later. You cant compare a guy who came in at 22-23 to Kobe and act like its fair.

Maybe do it by age. Which is impressive enough.

This is about like those "Youngest to ____" records they dont stop making a big deal of. Kobe sets one...Lebron breaks it...and every time they post it next to guys from the past who came in in their 20s.

And people really post "Youngest to ____ points" as if they dont know Lebron came in at 18 and Wilt or whoever at 22.

The small patch of guys who came in when they started taking kids and before they stopped allowing it have an obvious advantage.

Though most of them didnt last as long as Kobe anyway.

If you add college minutes to NBA minutes, you'd still be hard pressed to find a lot of players with more minutes than Kobe. Kobe, at this rate, may very well pass all the other greats in total minutes, (College and NBA) anyway.

[stalkerforlife]

Plenty of better 36 year olds though.

Name them.

[stalkerforlife]

Of course this thread is troll. You post new crap about Bryant every day. You sit around and dream up new ways to try and praise him and this is the best you can do. You actually suck at trolling.

Posting about the achievements of a player is not trolling.

According to you, every single subject matter, every single word, every single thread is a troll.

[SouBeachTalents]

Name them.

Kareem & Malone

[Real Men Wear Green]

According to you, every single subject matter, every single word, every single thread I write is a troll.
True.

[stalkerforlife]

Kareem & Malone

Numbers?

And two players isn't "plenty."

[T_L_P]

Name them.

Wilt, Kareem, Malone, Duncan, Stockton, Dirk.

[stalkerforlife]

Wilt, Kareem, Malone, Duncan, Stockton, Dirk.

Prove it.

[SugarHill]

We're talking about individual play. Kobe has the worst supporting cast in the league.
Isn't your whole thing about Davis being overrated because his team isn't winning? Individual play only matters when it's Kobe, right? Double standards?

[r15mohd]

We're talking about individual play. Kobe has the worst supporting cast in the league.

I believe the Sixers do...however a prolific season does not encompass just individual play, it is everything involved including the teams play. if his team isn't winning, he's exactly what you've labeled KLove, Lebron, and ADavis on here before...empty stats :no:

[r15mohd]

Isn't your whole thing about Davis being overrated because his team isn't winning? Individual play only matters when it's Kobe, right? Double standards?

it's nothing but hypocrisy from Kobe stans these days since he's only been good enough for personal accolades. nothing else, really.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]When you think of all time greats in their 19th season in terms of greatness, these are the players you come up with...(This is what they did in their 9th season)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (15.8 PER): 14.6 points, 6.0 rebounds, 1.2 blocks
Karl Malone (17.8 PER): 13.2 points, 8.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists
John Stockton (21.0 PER): 10.8 points, 7.7 assists, 1.7 steals
Kobe Bryant(20.9 PER): 26.6 points, 5.4 rebounds, 4.6 assists

Additionally, the Black Mamba is starting to heat up and has averaged 28.5 points, 8.5 assists, and 8.0 rebounds on 50.0 percent shooting over the last two games

[stalkerforlife]

Isn't your whole thing about Davis being overrated because his team isn't winning? Individual play only matters when it's Kobe, right? Double standards?

Apples and oranges.

Kobe has already accomplished every team achievement under the sun. He has nothing left to prove.

Davis has to combine his individual play with winning before taking the next step into greatness.

[tpols]

most players didnt go to the NBA straight from HS

How's KG, tmac, and Jemaine O'Neal doing right now?

[stalkerforlife]

Kareem, Malone and Stockton were on contending teams at age 36. Their games meant something.

Kobe has givin' himself the green light (cause he answers only to himself) to shoot when he wants and as often as he wants because he knows his team is not a contender.

Big difference in situations between him and the other 3 you mentioned

Did Wesley Johnson, Jordan Hill, and Boozer start next to them?

[T_L_P]

Prove it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2015&p2=duncati01&y2=2013&p3=nowitdi01&y3=2015&p4=malonka01&y4=2000&p5=stockjo01&y5=1999&p6=abdulka01&y6=1984

Kobe is last in PER, WS/48 (by a disgustingly large margin), Box +/- (even though Play-by-Play data wasn't around until 2001, Kobe is behind Duncan and Dirk), TS%, ORtg, DRtg.

[SugarHill]

Apples and oranges.

Kobe has already accomplished every team achievement under the sun. He has nothing left to prove.

Davis has to combine his individual play with winning before taking the next step into greatness.

Is that why you said Kobe was a top MVP candidate? Surely it wasn't because his team was winning, right? So Davis isn't an MVP contender but Kobe is because Kobe has nothing left to prove? Is that your stance?

[Hey Yo]

Did Wesley Johnson, Jordan Hill, and Boozer start next to them?
Why bring that up when all you care about is Kobe scoring?

Like I said, KAJ, Stockton and Malone were playing for something while Kobe is playing for self accolades.

[stalkerforlife]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2015&p2=duncati01&y2=2013&p3=nowitdi01&y3=2015&p4=malonka01&y4=2000&p5=stockjo01&y5=1999&p6=abdulka01&y6=1984

Kobe is last in PER, WS/48 (by a disgustingly large margin), Box +/- (even though Play-by-Play data wasn't around until 2001, Kobe is behind Duncan and Dirk), TS%, ORtg, DRtg.

Dirk, Duncan, and Stockton play much smaller roles and consequently, can put up better efficiency numbers due to being picky about the risks they take.

Why are you comparing apples and oranges?

All three of those players didn't have to carry a team on their shoulders.

[stalkerforlife]

Is that why you said Kobe was a top MVP candidate? Surely it wasn't because his team was winning, right? So Davis isn't an MVP contender but Kobe is because Kobe has nothing left to prove? Is that your stance?

It was meant to be a joke when I said Kobe was MVP.

Calm down.

[stalkerforlife]

Why bring that up when all you care about is Kobe scoring?

Like I said, KAJ, Stockton and Malone were playing for something while Kobe is playing for self accolades.

They had far better teams, obviously. Two of them played together.

[SugarHill]

It was meant to be a joke when I said Kobe was MVP.

Calm down.

Is Kobe a top 5 MVP candidate?

[stalkerforlife]

Is Kobe a top 5 MVP candidate?

As of right now, no. You have to at least make the playoffs.

[T_L_P]

Dirk, Duncan, and Stockton play much smaller roles and consequently, can put up better efficiency numbers due to being picky about the risks they take.

Why are you comparing apples and oranges?

All three of those players didn't have to carry a team on their shoulders.

They all had a bigger impact on the floor. Especially Karl Malone, who ****ing blows Kobe's production out of the water.

Kobe's having a horrible season. He's carrying his team to the second worst record in the league.

Only betas make excuses. The apples and oranges thing is all you've got, little boy.

[stalkerforlife]

They all had a bigger impact on the floor. Especially Karl Malone, who ****ing blows Kobe's production out of the water.

Kobe's having a horrible season. He's carrying his team to the second worst record in the league.

Only betas make excuses.

:kobe:

[T_L_P]

:kobe:

Pau Gasol lead an equally bad team to a better record just last year.

TOSB Kobe can't even impact the game like past-his-prime Gasol.

Those are facts, little man.

[tpols]

Pau Gasol lead an equally bad team to a better record just last year.

TOSB Kobe can't even impact the game like past-his-prime Gasol.

Those are facts, little man.

LA had the hardest SOS through like last week . all winning record western teams. Memphis Houston clippers golden state Spurs mavs.. Pretty tough competition and most of it without nick young(whose shooting is vital for this team).

If everyone's healthy going forward they'll be around mid 20s easily.

[dubeta]

Considering Kobe has a slighty better supporting cast than LeBrons 60+ win Cavs team, and Lakers still have one of the worst records in the league, is unacceptable

[ImKobe]

Kobe's gonna be even better in his 20th season. This season is just him shaking off the rust.

[dubeta]

Kobe's basically in his 17th season, he didnt play his 1st season, and he didnt play in his 18th season

a 17th season 36 year old putting up inefficient stats isnt something to applaud, especially with that pathetic team record

[ImKobe]

Kobe's basically in his 17th season, he didnt play his 1st season, and he didnt play in his 18th season

a 17th season 36 year old putting up inefficient stats isnt something to applaud, especially with that pathetic team record

mods.

[Jailblazers7]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2015&p2=duncati01&y2=2013&p3=nowitdi01&y3=2015&p4=malonka01&y4=2000&p5=stockjo01&y5=1999&p6=abdulka01&y6=1984

Kobe is last in PER, WS/48 (by a disgustingly large margin), Box +/- (even though Play-by-Play data wasn't around until 2001, Kobe is behind Duncan and Dirk), TS%, ORtg, DRtg.

Shaq averaged 18/8 with a PER of 22 @ 36 in Pheonix too