LeBron averaged 28 ppg on 70% TS in the Finals

[dubeta]

And people still find ways to hate on his performance



That's when you know you're the GOAT :banana:

[riseagainst]

empty stats

[dubeta]

empty stats

What stats are Kobe putting up right now then?

[Im Still Ballin]

It was an amazing individual performance.

[ImKobe]

He was garbage when the games were close in the Finals...

[swagga]

empty stats

:biggums:

[AnaheimLakers24]

blow out stats. never got it when the team needed it

[Hey Yo]

What stats are Kobe putting up right now then?
Viewing hours for riseagainst is Friday at 11:00am

[ImKobe]

blow out stats. never got it when the team needed it

His team put up like .78 points per possession when the games were close and his shooting % was in the low 40s I believe.

[G0ATbe]

He's the ultimate garbage time stat padder. Probably the most empty stat performance ever seen, in the win column and in terms of impact during the games.

[dubeta]

He was garbage when the games were close in the Finals...

So basically he was never garbage?

Agreed :cheers:

[riseagainst]

i'm a lebron fan. But i have to admit those were empty stats.

[IncarceratedBob]

Ok? He wasn't good enough to lead his team to victory.

[Sarcastic]

Lebron-Ball at its finest.

[MastaKilla]

68% TS*

And who cares? He did this while suffering the worst beat down in finals history at the hands of a bunch of system role players.

[Done_And_Done]

Great thread bro, tell me moar.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What did he average in the 4th quarter?

[j3lademaster]

With great power comes great responsibility. The higher on the ATG ladder Lebron climbs the more he's going to get nitpicked. Teams play guys like Lebron in a way where you let him get his; but you contain him to that. It was up to the superstar, the leader, the top 10 ATG Lebron James to elevate his game. Your team's shooting poorly while you're at 70% TS... well score more. Stop protecting that percentage. How much could Lebron put up had he let his ts slip to a still impressive 60%?

The C's swept MJ but from this day all you hear from that series is 63. Kobe shot a crap 6-24 in a game 7, so he decided to lock in on D and grab 15 boards and get the W. And it's not even that Lebron lost, as a player of Lebron's caliber you have the expectations to put your stamp on important playoff series'.

So yeah, the Spurs were happy to let Lebron have his numbers, and take the W's. And Lebron in turn was just happy putting up good-looking stats and losing.

[Bigsmoke]

68% TS*

And who cares? He did this while suffering the worst beat down in finals history at the hands of a bunch of system role players.

they had the best record for a reason :hammerhead:

i guess the Lakers lost to a bunch of system players in 2004 :lol

the Heat losing had more to do with wade and Bosh... Kobe was the reason why his team lost in 2004

[3ball]

the heat were not competitive - it has been proven that a significant portion of lebron's stats came in garbage time.

anytime there is a massive blowout in basketball, you never give props to the leading scorer on the losing team.

i remember watching a high school game once where one team got beat by 50... the leading scorer on the losing team had 17 points, but no one was giving him props for it... that is nonsensical.

[Nikola_]

well i guess true shooting% ... lies

[MastaKilla]

they had the best record for a reason :hammerhead:

i guess the 2004 Pistons were just a bunch of system players since the Lakers were the favorites to win that series and had a better record :lol

Did the lakers suffer the worst beat down in finals history like the heat did?

What's your point?

Edit: Lebron stans are so sensitive just like their boy, keep the anonymous negs comin.

[Artillery]

Kobe shot 1-14 against Leonard in a blowout loss. Meanwhile, Lebron averages 28 ppg on ridiculous efficiency and that's considered a "poor" series for him.

[Bigsmoke]

Did the lakers suffer the worst beat down in finals history like the heat did?

What's your point?

:biggums:

the Lakers were the favorites and had homecourt... the Heat weren't.

[MastaKilla]

repped.

It's like you read the first paragraph, repped him & then totally ignored the last 2 paragraphs

:roll: :roll:

[MastaKilla]

:biggums:

the Lakers were the favorites and had homecourt... the Heat weren't.

So? My point is the Heat suffered the worst beat down in finals history and it was at the hands of a bunch of role players

Did that happen to the lakers in 04? No it didn't.. So stop trying to deflect.

[imdaman99]

As the supposed best player in the league, it's your job to keep your team in games. He didn't.

[Jlamb47]

Awesome so what now?

[Cavalier]

Just going off memory, he played passively except for Game 2. He didn't shoot enough (one game he had 14 FGA:facepalm) and didn't drive and dish enough. I remember seeing a lot of perimeter hot potato out there.

[Artillery]

they had the best record for a reason :hammerhead:

i guess the Lakers lost to a bunch of system players in 2004 :lol

the Heat losing had more to do with wade and Bosh... Kobe was the reason why his team lost in 2004

I don't think I've ever seen a player single-handedly sabotage his team in a playoff series like 2004 Kobe against the Pistons. One of the most disgusting, awful, terrible performances in NBA history. By far, the worst Finals ever played by an all-time great. If you want to see how a shooting guard is SUPPOSED to play against those Pistons, look no further than Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Finals. Hell, you could replace '04 Kobe with '05 Manu and the Lakers would have won the Finals against Detroit. That's how bad Kobe was.

[jrong]

It doesn't matter what you average in the Finals if your team loses. No one will remember, and no one will care. Ask Wade in 2011. Ask Durant in 2012. Durant averaged 31 ppg in the 2012 Finals. Do ever hear anyone talk about it in conjunction with that series?

[Artillery]

Did that happen to the lakers in 04? No it didn't.. So stop trying to deflect.

Lakers had four HOFers(including prime Shaq) AND homecourt advantage...and still lost at the hands of a bunch of role players in only five games.

[Undisputed]

Ok? He wasn't good enough to lead his team to victory.
This is really all there is to say after mentioning those stats. Sweet stats, but it doesn't matter since he walked away with the L. I am by no means the type of guy to take swipes at LeBron just for the sake of doing so, but his team got throttled in the Finals by the Spurs.

[riseagainst]

i'm a huge lebron fan and all. But i have to objectively say that those were empty stats.

[Hey Yo]

I don't think I've ever seen a player single-handedly sabotage his team in a playoff series like 2004 Kobe against the Pistons. One of the most disgusting, awful, terrible performances in NBA history. By far, the worst Finals ever played by an all-time great. If you want to see how a shooting guard is SUPPOSED to play against those Pistons, look no further than Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Finals. Hell, you could replace '04 Kobe with '05 Manu and the Lakers would have won the Finals against Detroit. That's how bad Kobe was.
:applause: :cheers:

[jlip]

This tired thread has over 30 replies in half an hour. :facepalm

[MastaKilla]

Lakers had four HOFers(including prime Shaq) AND homecourt advantage...and still lost at the hands of a bunch of role players in only five games.

Post Malone & Payton's stats from the 04 finals.

Show us the greatness of these 2 HOFers.

[jrong]

I don't think I've ever seen a player single-handedly sabotage his team in a playoff series like 2004 Kobe against the Pistons. One of the most disgusting, awful, terrible performances in NBA history. By far, the worst Finals ever played by an all-time great.

See also: James, LeBron-- 2011 Finals (otherwise known as "I have no chance to be Finals MVP, so Maverick said tank the series because the damage to my brand won't be as lasting if we lose as it will be if we win, but I'm not the "King.")


If you want to see how a shooting guard is SUPPOSED to play against those Pistons, look no further than Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Finals.

Or, if you want to see how a shooting guard is supposed to play against them as an actual team alpha: see also, Wade, Dwyane-- 2005 and 2006 Eastern Conference Finals

[chazzy]

http://i.imgur.com/JmDmOpD.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/Kxezcu4.png

[Artillery]

Post Malone & Payton's stats from the 04 finals.

Show us the greatness of these 2 HOFers.

Malone and Payton were all-stars the year before they joined up with the Lakers. Dat Kobe impact - always makes his teammates better, right?

And the Lakers had prime Shaq and homecourt. Heat didn't even have homecourt in the Finals.

[DonDadda59]

Further proof of what a useless stat TS% is. James Harden too.

[pauk]

Well he did his job, as long as a player performs up to his standards then there is nothing to hate on, the better team will always win.... although i do think they could have won if other guys performed up to their standards aswell....

[Artillery]

Or, if you want to see how a shooting guard is supposed to play against them as an actual team alpha: see also: Wade, Dwyane-- 2005 and 2006 Eastern Conference Finals

You could name pretty much any SG that played against the Pistons. Hell, I think even Iverson put up better numbers against them than Kirby.

In any case, '04 Lakers didn't need an "alpha" SG. Kobe going alpha in the Finals is the entire reason they lost. A shooting guard like Manu would have been beneficial - someone that knows how to get his teammates involved in the offense while also taking on some of the scoring load.

[StephHamann]

http://i.imgur.com/JmDmOpD.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/Kxezcu4.png


:lebronamazed:

[MastaKilla]

Malone and Payton were all-stars the year before they joined up with the Lakers. Dat Kobe impact - always makes his teammates better, right?

And the Lakers had prime Shaq and homecourt. Heat didn't even have homecourt in the Finals.

So you're not going to post their 04 finals stats?

Thanks I know not to take you seriously now.

[MastaKilla]

http://i.imgur.com/JmDmOpD.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/Kxezcu4.png

It's over.

[Artillery]

So you're not going to post their 04 finals stats?

Thanks I know not to take you seriously now.

Kinda hard to put up stats when you have chucker taking all the shots. Not to mention, Kobe's idea of passing is to hold the ball for most of the shot clock and to pass it to a teammate at the last second.

[Doranku]

http://i.imgur.com/JmDmOpD.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/Kxezcu4.png

Damn, that is some LEGENDARY stat-padding.

No wonder Kevin Love was on board with joining the Cavs, I'm sure he was very impressed.

[MastaKilla]

Kinda hard to put up stats when you have chucker taking all the shots. Not to mention, Kobe's idea of passing is to hold the ball for most of the shot clock and to pass it to a teammate at the last second.

So since they were taking less shots then their FG% must look pretty good right?

Post the stats or STFU, why did you bring up Kobe in the first place?

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't think I've ever seen a player single-handedly sabotage his team in a playoff series like 2004 Kobe against the Pistons. One of the most disgusting, awful, terrible performances in NBA history. By far, the worst Finals ever played by an all-time great. If you want to see how a shooting guard is SUPPOSED to play against those Pistons, look no further than Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Finals. Hell, you could replace '04 Kobe with '05 Manu and the Lakers would have won the Finals against Detroit. That's how bad Kobe was.

2011 LeBron <<<<<<<<<< 2004 Kobe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I don't think I've ever seen a player single-handedly sabotage his team in a playoff series like 2004 Kobe against the Pistons. One of the most disgusting, awful, terrible performances in NBA history. By far, the worst Finals ever played by an all-time great. If you want to see how a shooting guard is SUPPOSED to play against those Pistons, look no further than Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Finals. Hell, you could replace '04 Kobe with '05 Manu and the Lakers would have won the Finals against Detroit. That's how bad Kobe was.

:whatever:

2011 LeBron wants you to give him a call.

[riseagainst]

I don't think I've ever seen a player single-handedly sabotage his team in a playoff series like 2004 Kobe against the Pistons. One of the most disgusting, awful, terrible performances in NBA history. By far, the worst Finals ever played by an all-time great. If you want to see how a shooting guard is SUPPOSED to play against those Pistons, look no further than Manu Ginobili in the 2005 Finals. Hell, you could replace '04 Kobe with '05 Manu and the Lakers would have won the Finals against Detroit. That's how bad Kobe was.

obvious alt is obvious.

:oldlol:

[dubeta]

http://i.imgur.com/JmDmOpD.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/Kxezcu4.png

Sorry but the sample size where the games are close are too small to make any conclusive statements :no:

Thats like saying Westbrook is the GOAT because of his PER right now :facepalm

[poido123]

Damn, that is some LEGENDARY stat-padding.

No wonder Kevin Love was on board with joining the Cavs, I'm sure he was very impressed.



:oldlol:

[Droid101]

Sorry but the sample size where the games are close are too small to make any conclusive statements :no:

Thats like saying Westbrook is the GOAT because of his PER right now :facepalm
Sample size too small.

He needs more 15+ point losses to stat pad.

Negged.

[ThatCoolKid]

Do you guys think that if you put 08-09 Kobe (similar points in career to 13-14 James) on the Heat last season, that they would beat the Spurs?

[dubeta]

Do you guys think that if you put 08-09 Kobe (similar points in career to 13-14 James) on the Heat last season, that they would beat the Spurs?

So if 28 ppg on 70% is replaced with 25 ppg on 45% the Heat would have a better chance?

What type of question is that? :rolleyes:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Do you guys think that if you put 08-09 Kobe (similar points in career to 13-14 James) on the Heat last season, that they would beat the Spurs?
yes because spurs are kobes bitch, while bron is the spurs bitch

[SouBeachTalents]

yes because spurs are kobes bitch, while bron is the spurs bitch

Outstanding intellectual analysis

[Droid101]

Do you guys think that if you put 08-09 Kobe (similar points in career to 13-14 James) on the Heat last season, that they would beat the Spurs?
They definitely don't get blown out four times. :roll:

Kobe not only destroys the Spurs historically in the playoffs, he destroys them and wins the games!

[dubeta]

They definitely don't get blown out four times. :roll:

Shaq/Gasol not only destroy the Spurs historically in the playoffs, they destroy them and win the games!

:dancin

[sdot_thadon]

So from the sounds of it I gather once the games became a 15+ lead he should have stopped shooting altogether right? Then you guys could fall back on the passive/quit angle I suppose, a win-win.

[G0ATbe]

http://i.imgur.com/JmDmOpD.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/Kxezcu4.png
This was his signature finals performance. No opportunities for Ray to save him, refs couldn't save him, Wade couldn't save him, Bosh couldn't save him. For once LeBald had to win a championship in a legit manner and these were the results. Just barely avoiding a sweep:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm .

[SouBeachTalents]

:dancin

2001
Kobe: 33, 7, 7 on 51%
Shaq: 27, 13, 3 on 54%

2002
Kobe: 26, 5, 5 on 46%
Shaq: 21, 12, 3 on 45%

2008
Kobe: 29, 6, 4 on 53%
Gasol: 13, 10, 4 on 45%

[Droid101]

2001
Kobe: 33, 7, 7 on 51%
Shaq: 27, 13, 3 on 54%

2002
Kobe: 26, 5, 5 on 46%
Shaq: 21, 12, 3 on 45%

2008
Kobe: 29, 6, 4 on 53%
Gasol: 13, 10, 4 on 45%
:applause:

No point talking to dubeta about anything intelligent. He's completely void of brains.

[Artillery]

Do you guys think that if you put 08-09 Kobe (similar points in career to 13-14 James) on the Heat last season, that they would beat the Spurs?

No because Kobe wouldn't have a dominant big doing most of the heavy lifting.

[Artillery]

:whatever:

2011 LeBron wants you to give him a call.

2011 Lebron played against a legit superstar in the Finals. 2004 Kobe played against a group of role players.

Also 2011 Lebron wasn't actually hurting his team when he was on the court like '04 Kobe though.

[riseagainst]

2011 Lebron played against a legit superstar in the Finals. 2004 Kobe played against a group of role players.

Also 2011 Lebron wasn't actually hurting his team when he was on the court like '04 Kobe though.

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

2011 Lebron played against a legit superstar in the Finals. 2004 Kobe played against a group of role players.

Also 2011 Lebron wasn't actually hurting his team when he was on the court like '04 Kobe though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFe8KUEQdn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL3Kz3DD1uQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FuYJ1U2YZ8

[Doranku]

2011 Lebron played against a legit superstar in the Finals. 2004 Kobe played against a group of role players.

Also 2011 Lebron wasn't actually hurting his team when he was on the court like '04 Kobe though.
:roll: LeBron had an 8 point game against an average Mavericks defense.

Would he even average 15 a game against the '04 Pistons?

[Droid101]

:roll: LeBron had an 8 point game against an average Mavericks defense.

Would he even average 15 a game against the '04 Pistons?
He'd do the cramp thing or the lay on the floor thing every damn game. He couldn't handle going against peak Ben Wallace.

[Artillery]

:roll: LeBron had an 8 point game against an average Mavericks defense.

Would he even average 15 a game against the '04 Pistons?

Mavs weren't average on D. They were a top 8 defensive team in 2011 and the best defensive team in the Western Conference. Can't really compare them to the 2004 Pistons since the rules are different.

And I don't see why Lebron would struggle against that Pistons team when Manu and Wade had no problems scoring against them. Hell, Lebron dropped 48 against the 2007 Pistons and bounced them out of the playoffs.

[SwishSquared]

2001
Kobe: 33, 7, 7 on 51%
Shaq: 27, 13, 3 on 54%

2002
Kobe: 26, 5, 5 on 46%
Shaq: 21, 12, 3 on 45%

2008
Kobe: 29, 6, 4 on 53%
Gasol: 13, 10, 4 on 45%
Not to add fuel to the flames but since the thread talked about Finals stats why are the Finals averages not the only reported numbers there? Those are entire playoff run stats, or am I wrong?

[Droid101]

Not to add fire to the flames but since the thread talked about Finals stats why are the Finals averages not the only reported numbers there? Those are entire playoff run stats, or am I wrong?
Those are the VS Spurs stats only.

[Paul George 24]

And people still find ways to hate on his performance



That's when you know you're the GOAT :banana:
2-5 :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Not to add fire to the flames but since the thread talked about Finals stats why are the Finals averages not the only reported numbers there? Those are entire playoff run stats, or am I wrong?

He stated that Shaq/Gasol carried the Lakers against the Spurs, so those were their playoff numbers in their series against the Spurs

[SwishSquared]

He stated that Shaq/Gasol carried the Lakers against the Spurs, so those were their playoff numbers in their series against the Spurs
Thanks for clearing it up. I should have read more of the thread but I was lazy haha.

[Poetry]

That's when you know you're the GOAT :banana:

Barkley put up 27.3/13/5.5 in a 6 game series, but the GOAT was on the winning team.

[Beastmode88]

Well he did his job, as long as a player performs up to his standards then there is nothing to hate on, the better team will always win.... although i do think they could have won if other guys performed up to their standards aswell....

Is that statement applicable to lebron's 2011 performance then?

[dubeta]

Barkley put up 27.3/13/5.5 in a 6 game series, but the GOAT was on the winning team.

So kahwi Leonard is GOAT? :lol

[sbw19]

Leonard shot 70% FG in last 3 blowout wins, dropping no fewer than 20pts in each.

[chazzy]

Mavs weren't average on D. They were a top 8 defensive team in 2011 and the best defensive team in the Western Conference. Can't really compare them to the 2004 Pistons since the rules are different.

Yes you can. The 04 Pistons were vastly better defensively and were in a tougher era for perimeter scorers.

Hell, Lebron dropped 48 against the 2007 Pistons and bounced them out of the playoffs.
3 years older and without Ben Wallace, post rule changes. Damn you're a terrible troll

[LAZERUSS]

Yep...let's blame Lebron for losing to the Spurs.

Oh sure, he led his team in virtually EVERY category. But yes, it was Lebron's fault. Meanwhile his "clutch" side-kick, Wade picked up the slack with his brilliant 15 ppg .438 series, though. So, there was absolutely no reason for the Heat to get blown out in that series...not when your second best player can put up a 15-4-3, .438, .692 series.

The reality is...Wade should give his 2013 ring to Lebron, since he contributed absolutely nothing in the post-season, to make up for Lebron not getting one last year...and then get down on his hands and knees and kiss the ground James walks on for winning a ring for him in 2012.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yep...let's blame Lebron for losing to the Spurs.

Oh sure, he led his team in virtually EVERY category. But yes, it was Lebron's fault. Meanwhile his "clutch" side-kick, Wade picked up the slack with his brilliant 15 ppg .438 series, though. So, there was absolutely no reason for the Heat to get blown out in that series...not when your second best player can put up a 15-4-3, .438, .692 series.

The reality is...Wade should give his 2013 ring to Lebron, since he contributed absolutely nothing in the Finals, to make up for Lebron not getting one last year...and then get down on his hands and knees and kiss the ground James walks on for winning a ring for him in 2012.

Wade was very unproductive during the 2013 playoff run, but he actually played pretty well in the 2013 Finals. He averaged 20, 4, 5 on 48%, and really stepped up in the last 4 games, where he averaged 24, 6, 5 on 49%, including his 32 point outing in the crucial Game 4, and put up 23 & 10 in Game 7.

In the 2012 Finals Wade averaged 23, 6, 5 on 44%, definitely nothing to scoff at from a second option

[3ball]

you know how many times guys have averaged over 28ppg in the Finals?

over 40 times.... it was so many i stopped counting around 2000.

lebron should have shot MORE actually - In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

[poido123]

you know how many times guys have averaged over 28ppg in the Finals?

over 40 times.... it was so many i stopped counting around 2000.

lebron should have shot MORE actually - In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.


:eek:

[Artillery]

Yes you can. The 04 Pistons were vastly better defensively and were in a tougher era for perimeter scorers.

Manu Ginobili owned those Pistons. You're telling me LBJ couldn't do the same. Just cause Kobe played like a low IQ chucker against that team does't mean everybody else will too. Every good perimeter scorer owned those Pistons.

31 ppg on 56% TS - Iverson
26 ppg on 52% TS - Wade
21 ppg on 55% TS - Richard Jefferson
19 ppg on 64% TS - Ginobili

Kirby's the only one that struggled against them:

22 ppg on 45% TS - Kobe :oldlol:

[Lebronxrings]

dam :applause:

If kobe had done this, he would be proclaimed undisputed goat :facepalm
Lebron hate is real in this forum, if he has similar averages to that these playoffs, it proves hes undisputed GOAT and how unstacked his team is.

[ThatCoolKid]

you know how many times guys have averaged over 28ppg in the Finals?

over 40 times.... it was so many i stopped counting around 2000.

lebron should have shot MORE actually - In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

How many times has a player had 68 % TS though? Lebron :bowdown:

[3ball]

How many times has a player had 68 % TS though? Lebron :bowdown:
and his team had to get blown out by the most ever for him to do it too... :bowdown:

[chazzy]

Manu Ginobili owned those Pistons. You're telling me LBJ couldn't do the same. Just cause Kobe played like a low IQ chucker against that team does't mean everybody else will too. Every good perimeter scorer owned those Pistons.

31 ppg on 56% TS - Iverson
26 ppg on 52% TS - Wade
21 ppg on 55% TS - Richard Jefferson
19 ppg on 64% TS - Ginobili

How many of those are from the 04 playoffs? Only Jefferson? I hope you realize the rules were changed after that season

[Artillery]

and his team had to get blown out by the most ever for him to do it too... :bowdown:

So he played awesome and still lost in blowout losses. Again, explain how replacing him with a less efficient player like Kirby is going to help the Heat win that series? No single player is going to will that Heat team to victory. The Thunder had Westbrook and Durant averaging 27 ppg each and they still got blown out in nearly every game.

[Artillery]

How many of those are from the 04 playoffs? Only Jefferson? I hope you realize the rules were changed after that season

Rules didn't take effect until the 2006 season actually. That's when everybody was posting career highs in scoring(Iverson, Arenas, Kobe, etc).

2005 Finals was still very physical. Compare that to the 2006 Finals(and playoffs) with all the ticky tacky whistles and trips to the free throw line.

[chazzy]

Rules didn't take effect until the 2006 season actually. That's when everybody was posting career highs in scoring(Iverson, Arenas, Kobe, etc).
2005 season.
[QUOTE]2004-05

[r15mohd]

68% TS*

And who cares? He did this while suffering the worst beat down in finals history at the hands of a bunch of system role players.


aka one of the top 5 (arguably 3) teams to ever win a Finals? :rolleyes:

[plowking]

aka one of the top 5 (arguably 3) teams to ever win a Finals? :rolleyes:

Exactly. That Spurs team would have beat 95% of NBA teams ever, and on their best day, might be the best team ever. They were so damn good.

Lebron played fantastic. He struggled to guard Leonard, but he sucks at guarding SF's with a quick first step who don't overdribble. He only guarded him two games. The other 3, he absolutely shut down Parker.

It was a fantastic performance and hardly empty stats. Whenever he went off, we crumbled. How is that empty? If anything, he is the sole reason we're afloat.

[Im so nba'd out]

LeBron is not even good enough to perform fellatio on jordan yet you call him the goat!



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[Paul George 24]

So kahwi Leonard is GOAT? :lol

no,but leflop is not goat neither :lol

and he will never surpass jordan:banana:

[Paul George 24]

Exactly. That Spurs team would have beat 95% of NBA teams ever, and on their best day, might be the best team ever. They were so damn good.

Lebron played fantastic. He struggled to guard Leonard, but he sucks at guarding SF's with a quick first step who don't overdribble. He only guarded him two games. The other 3, he absolutely shut down Parker.

It was a fantastic performance and hardly empty stats. Whenever he went off, we crumbled. How is that empty? If anything, he is the sole reason we're afloat.

still making excuse to defend leflop :facepalm

[MastaKilla]

Exactly. That Spurs team would have beat 95% of NBA teams ever, and on their best day, might be the best team ever. They were so damn good.

Lebron played fantastic. He struggled to guard Leonard, but he sucks at guarding SF's with a quick first step who don't overdribble. He only guarded him two games. The other 3, he absolutely shut down Parker.

It was a fantastic performance and hardly empty stats. Whenever he went off, we crumbled. How is that empty? If anything, he is the sole reason we're afloat.

This is such hype. The spurs looked very beatable in western conference playoffs. They probably get bounced in the first round if dirk doesn't play bad to begin the series and would have lost to OKC if not for ibakas injury.

[Paul George 24]

jordan 6-6,leflop 2-5

he will never half as good as jordan :lol

[Droid101]

This is such hype. The spurs looked very beatable in western conference playoffs. They probably get bounced in the first round if dirk doesn't play bad to begin the series and would have lost to OKC if not for ibakas injury.
Exactly. The revisionist history is hilarious.

Just because they beat up on a weak ass East team doesn't mean they were a lock from the beginning of the playoffs by any stretch.

[Paul George 24]

This is such hype. The spurs looked very beatable in western conference playoffs. They probably get bounced in the first round if dirk doesn't play bad to begin the series and would have lost to OKC if not for ibakas injury.

the better team wins :banana:

[Artillery]

2005 season.

Look how much their DRTG changed after 04. Don't you remember Nash's Suns taking off that year?

Rule changes didn't suddenly make the Suns relevant. Steve Nash switching teams did. The 2003 Mavs(another Steve Nash team) were also a ridiculous offensive team(110 ORtg). 2004 Mavs were at 112 ORtg. Not that far off from the '05 Suns and their 114 ORtg.

[tpols]

Poor leadership.. Heat didn't even look like a team. Very reminiscent of 2010 eastern semis when LeBron put up similar very nice stats but visibly quit. Both times he knew he was leaving halfway through the series.

[Paul George 24]

Poor leadership.. Heat didn't even look like a team. Very reminiscent of 2010 eastern semis when LeBron put up similar very nice stats but visibly quit. Both times he knew he was leaving halfway through the series.

HE CAN'T WIN WITHOUT WADE LEAD HIM :lol

[plowking]

This is such hype. The spurs looked very beatable in western conference playoffs. They probably get bounced in the first round if dirk doesn't play bad to begin the series and would have lost to OKC if not for ibakas injury.

All the great teams have looked beatable at some point.

The Celtics looked like trash against Atlanta in the first round recently. The Bulls in 96 didn't look too flash as soon as Payton switched onto Jordan. The Heat that won last year that people said were crazy good, went on a huge winning streak looked very beatable at times.

The best teams don't always win. I thought the Spurs were the best team the year OKC went to the finals, and I think they probably would have beat the Heat in 2012 again if they got through. Just the way things go.

That Spurs team of 2014 is one of the very best teams ever.

[plowking]

Exactly. The revisionist history is hilarious.

Just because they beat up on a weak ass East team doesn't mean they were a lock from the beginning of the playoffs by any stretch.

Actually everyone was saying "looks like it is going to be Spurs vs Heat again"...

So yeah, everyone thought they were a lock.

[Artillery]

This is such hype. The spurs looked very beatable in western conference playoffs.

:oldlol: The idiocy in this post. 2008 Celtics needed seven games to beat a 37 win Hawks team in the first round. Yeah, that definitely disqualifies them from being an all-time great team.


They probably get bounced in the first round if dirk doesn't play bad to begin the series

The entire Spurs defense was designed to stop Dirk. They did the same thing to Aldridge in the 2nd round(after he went supernova in the first round against a crappy defensive team like the Rockets).


and would have lost to OKC if not for ibakas injury.

Spurs had a 18 point margin of victory in their wins against OKC. Not to mention they closed out the Thunder on their own floor without Parker playing the entire game.

[Paul George 24]

All the great teams have looked beatable at some point.

The Celtics looked like trash against Atlanta in the first round recently. The Bulls in 96 didn't look too flash as soon as Payton switched onto Jordan. The Heat that won last year that people said were crazy good, went on a huge winning streak looked very beatable at times.

The best teams don't always win. I thought the Spurs were the best team the year OKC went to the finals, and I think they probably would have beat the Heat in 2012 again if they got through. Just the way things go.

That Spurs team of 2014 is one of the very best teams ever.

JORDAN WOULD PUT A FIGHT UNLIKE LEFLOP JAMES :lol

[Artillery]

Exactly. The revisionist history is hilarious.

Just because they beat up on a weak ass East team doesn't mean they were a lock from the beginning of the playoffs by any stretch.

They had the best record in the league. Their 8.0 SRS is the 2nd best SRS in the Duncan era behind only the 2007 Spurs(8.35 SRS). Lebron pretty much lost to the two best Spurs teams ever in 2014 and 2007.

[MastaKilla]

They had the best record in the league. Their 8.0 SRS is the 2nd best SRS in the Duncan era behind only the 2007 Spurs(8.35 SRS). Lebron pretty much lost to the two best Spurs teams ever in 2014 and 2007.

according to SRS the best Spurs would be the 01 Spurs with their 7.9 SRS, a team which Kobe demolished..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2001.html

and 2007 is another finals series where Lebron could have done more in seeing as the Cavs lost the last 2 games by a combined 4 points..

including game 4 where the Cavs lost by 83-82 and Lebron shot 30 times for 24 points :roll: :roll:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200706140CLE.html

[Joyner82reload]

LeBron averages 28 ppg on 57 FG% in the Finals against Leonard-he needs help

Durant averages 31 ppg on 55 FG% in the Finals against LeBron-empty stats


LeBron fan logic

[AintNoSunshine]

LOL @ those saying it was emtpy stats.

So if your teammates don't show up, it doesn't matter if your best player plays on A level or D-?

Lebron's the reason they didn't lose by a combined 100 points on their way to getting swept.

[Artillery]

according to SRS the best Spurs would be the 01 Spurs with their 7.9 SRS, a team which Kobe demolished..

:oldlol: I just posted the SRS of the two best Spurs teams. You obviously have a reading disability so I'll post 'em again:

8.35 SRS - 2007 Spurs
8.00 SRS - 2014 Spurs

[Droid101]

LeBron fan logic
LeBron fans have no logic.

[jrong]

Yep...let's blame Lebron for losing to the Spurs.

Oh sure, he led his team in virtually EVERY category. But yes, it was Lebron's fault. Meanwhile his "clutch" side-kick, Wade picked up the slack with his brilliant 15 ppg .438 series, though. So, there was absolutely no reason for the Heat to get blown out in that series...not when your second best player can put up a 15-4-3, .438, .692 series.

The reality is...Wade should give his 2013 ring to Lebron, since he contributed absolutely nothing in the post-season, to make up for Lebron not getting one last year...and then get down on his hands and knees and kiss the ground James walks on for winning a ring for him in 2012.

Just as soon as LeBron publicly apologizes to Wade, the Heat organization, the city of Miami and basketfall fans in general for tanking the 2011 finals against the Mavs once he realized Wade would be Finals MVP and not him. Let his next (ghost-written by a P.R. firm) S.I. column be about that, along with a discussion about where Wade ought to reside in the all-time rankings, if only he hadn't thrown the series.

(And Wade doesn't have to thank LeBron for winning any rings with him. He already had one. LeBron was the one who had to come to Wade's house to get any.)

[Artillery]

Just as soon as LeBron publicly apologizes to Wade, the Heat organization, the city of Miami and basketfall fans in general for throwing the 2011 finals against the Mavs once he realized Wade would be Finals MVP and not him. Let his next (ghost-written by a P.R. firm) S.I. column be about that, along with a discussion about where Wade should reside in the all-time rankings, if only he hadn't tanked the series.

(And Wade doesn't have to thank LeBron for winning a ring with him. He already had one. LeBron was the one who needed to come to Wade's house to get any.)

How about Kobe apologize to Shaq first for costing him a Finals MVP and title in 2004? Kobe went chucker mode trying to outscore Shaq in that series. No doubt Bryant was angry about the reputation he built as Shaq's Pippen and wanted a Finals MVP for himself. Ended up sabotaging the Finals for the Lakers.

[LAZERUSS]

Just as soon as LeBron publicly apologizes to Wade, the Heat organization, the city of Miami and basketfall fans in general for tanking the 2011 finals against the Mavs once he realized Wade would be Finals MVP and not him. Let his next (ghost-written by a P.R. firm) S.I. column be about that, along with a discussion about where Wade ought to reside in the all-time rankings, if only he hadn't thrown the series.

(And Wade doesn't have to thank LeBron for winning any rings with him. He already had one. LeBron was the one who had to come to Wade's house to get any.)

Sorry to tell you this...but it is a FACT...

Lebron was a FAR greater player in the last three playoff runs than your boy Wade. Wade was simply along for the ride.

[jrong]

Sorry to tell you this...but it is a FACT...

Lebron was a FAR greater player in the last three playoff runs than your boy Wade. Wade was simply along for the ride.

Of course, he was better. Because Wade stepped aside so he could be better. Because, unlike LeBron, Wade can play at an elite level whether leading or following (as long as he's at least semi-healthy). LeBron can only be the leader, or you get his 2011 Finals performance from him.

But, that didn't happen within the past 3 years. That was 4 years ago. You said Wade should give his 2013 ring to LeBron and thank him for the 2012 one. I said, fine, as soon as LeBron owns up to what happened in 2011.

And you didn't say shit about that, and you still haven't. Because there ain't shit you can say about it.

[LAZERUSS]

Of course, he was better. Wade stepped aside because, unlike LeBron, he can play at an elite level whether leading or following (if he's at least semi-healthy). LeBron can only lead, or you get the 2011 Finals.

But, that didn't happen within the past 3 years. That was 4 years ago. You said Wade should give one of his rings to LeBron and thank him for the other one. I said, fine, as soon as LeBron owns up to what happened in 2011.

And you didn't say shit about that, and you still haven't. Because there ain't shit you can say.

The 2011 Heat were still trying to determine who the "alpha" was. When they finally realized that Wade simply couldn't carry a team...it was LEBRON in the last three years.

Here is all you need to know...

Wade missed 65 games from their 10-11 season thru their last season, 13-14. The Heat went 47-18 in those games... or a .723 winning percentage.

[plowking]

Of course, he was better. Because Wade stepped aside so he could be better. Because, unlike LeBron, Wade can play at an elite level whether leading or following (as long as he's at least semi-healthy). LeBron can only be the leader, or you get his 2011 Finals performance from him.

But, that didn't happen within the past 3 years. That was 4 years ago. You said Wade should give his 2013 ring to LeBron and thank him for the 2012 one. I said, fine, as soon as LeBron owns up to what happened in 2011.

And you didn't say shit about that, and you still haven't. Because there ain't shit you can say about it.

Wade didn't step aside.

You're so delusional. He wasn't as good as he used to be, and Bron simply did more and got better.

[dubeta]

Wade didn't step aside.

You're so delusional. He wasn't as good as he used to be, and Bron simply did more and got better.

Wade knew who his Daddy was, he knew who fed him, kept him paid. Look at how Wade bent over for LeBron in the offseason. Basically gave up a $40 mil guaranteed contract which he knew he wasnt getting back just for LeBron to carry him again.

[Warfan]

Im not gonna bother to read 9 pages, but it's clear to anyone who watched the series that bron was far from amazing. The only game he played well in was game 2, he had stretches where he played well in the other games but wasn't consistent or dominant enough throughout the whole game.

[plowking]

Wade knew who his Daddy was, he knew who fed him, kept him paid. Look at how Wade bent over for LeBron in the offseason. Basically gave up a $40 mil guaranteed contract which he knew he wasnt getting back just for LeBron to carry him again.

You're on the other end of the delusional.

:facepalm

[jrong]

The 2011 Heat were still trying to determine who the "alpha" was. When they finally realized that Wade simply couldn't carry a team...it was LEBRON in the last three years.

Here is all you need to know...

Wade missed 65 games from their 10-11 season thru their last season, 13-14. The Heat went 47-18 in those games... or a .723 winning percentage.

Nice try. Wade made the decision on his own to step aside. They started out the 2012 season neck-in-neck in stats, just like 2011. Then, Wade went out for 9 games, and he that's when he decided to turn over the keys. Only when he came back, he proceeded to outplay LeBron for the next two months, anyway. Wade had him by like 4 ppg per 36 in January and February.

But, then Wade suffered his first serious injury of the big 3 era in the spring, and that's when he finally had to give away control.

...As for Wade not being able to carry a team, he carried teams from 2004 to 2010, and he was carrying them just fine in the 2011 Finals.

He just needed more than 8 pts from LeBron in Game 4. And in Game 2, he needed LeBron not to try to be the hero (and go 0 - 4 in the process, including an airballed finger roll) when he was sitting on 36 with 7 minutes left in the game.... In Game 5, he DID need LeBron to be the hero because he had gotten hurt on in the first quarter and "only" managed 23 pts (unfortunately James could only come up with 17).

Basically, he needed LeBron to do for him what he did for LeBron in the Bulls series when he had a poor series but came through with clutch plays in Games 3, 4 and 5.

Nothing LeBron does or any of his fanboys say will ever live down what happened in 2011.

And regarding records without members of the big 3, the Heat had a winning record without LeBron too. As a matter of fact, by that standard, they're best player was Bosh. He won 2 games without James or Wade.

[jrong]

Wade didn't step aside.

You're so delusional. He wasn't as good as he used to be, and Bron simply did more and got better.

Why are you talking to me? I put you on ignore along time ago. I have a vague recollection that at one time you were a cool poster, but then you decided to start to attack everything I say. If you haven't figured out yet, I don't give a **** what people think about my opinions. I back them all up with evidence, but if you don't appreciate what I have to say, oh well. I pop by here once in a while, and don't think much about it. But, you started to, I don't know, obsessively target me or something. And so I have no desire to have any interactions with you. Your existence may be defined this board, but mine isn't. So, I don't give a damn, exist or don't, but treat me as if I don't.

[LAZERUSS]

Nice try. Wade made the decision on his own to step aside. They started out the 2012 season neck-in-neck in stats, just like 2011. Then, Wade went out for 9 games, and he that's when he decided to turn over the keys. Only when he came back, he proceeded to outplay LeBron for the next two months, anyway. Wade had him by like 4 ppg per 36 in January and February.

But, then Wade suffered his first serious injury of the big 3 era in the spring, and that's when he finally had to give away control.

...As for Wade not being able to carry a team, he carried teams from 2004 to 2010, and he was carrying them just fine in the 2011 Finals.

He just needed more than 8 pts from LeBron in Game 4. And in Game 2, he needed LeBron not to try to be the hero (and go 0 - 4 in the process, including an airballed finger roll) when he was sitting on 36 with 7 minutes left in the game.... In Game 5, he DID need LeBron to be the hero because he had gotten hurt on in the first quarter and "only" managed 23 pts (unfortunately James could only come up with 17).

Basically, he needed LeBron to do for him what he did for LeBron in the Bulls series when he had a poor series but came through with clutch plays in Games 3, 4 and 5.

Nothing LeBron does or any of his fanboys say will ever live down what happened in 2011.

And regarding records without members of the big 3, the Heat had a winning record without LeBron too. As a matter of fact, by that standard, they're best player was Bosh. He won 2 games without James or Wade.



Lebron missed 18 games between 2010-11 and 2013-2014. The Heat went 9-9 in them. A slight difference between being a .500 team without Lebron, and a .723 team (47-18) without Wade, wouldn't you say?

[Paul George 24]

LOL @ those saying it was emtpy stats.

So if your teammates don't show up, it doesn't matter if your best player plays on A level or D-?

Lebron's the reason they didn't lose by a combined 100 points on their way to getting swept.

jordan 63 pts in a lose,and lebron :lol

[Paul George 24]

Sorry to tell you this...but it is a FACT...

Lebron was a FAR greater player in the last three playoff runs than your boy Wade. Wade was simply along for the ride.

wilt chamberlain is a loser,just like lebron :lol

[plowking]

Why are you talking to me? I put you on ignore along time ago. I have a vague recollection that at one time you were a cool poster, but then you decided to start to attack everything I say. If you haven't figured out yet, I don't give a **** what people think about my opinions. I back them all up with evidence, but if you don't appreciate what I have to say, oh well. I pop by here once in a while, and don't think much about it. But, you started to, I don't know, obsessively target me or something. And so I have no desire to have any interactions with you. Your existence may be defined this board, but mine isn't. So, I don't give a damn, exist or don't, but treat me as if I don't.


Yeah, I was cool because we both liked Wade and mentioned how great he was. Essentially, we just shared the same opinions before. :oldlol:

I can see he clearly regressed as a player and isn't nearly who he was before, yet you are stuck in some other universe seeing completely opposite to everyone else due to your bias.

Yeah, keep talking yourself up. The reason I treat your opinions like shit is due to your elitist attitude on an anonymous internet forum. From what I remember, I only called you out one other time outside of this, not that I care. You were the one smack talking people on here saying they should pay you since you write for money. Go on then big shot. :rolleyes:
Keep talking trash on here mate. You're the king of the world. No one gives a shit as to what you do in your spare time or for work, especially when you come off as a pompous d!ck. Your whole post is taking pot shots. :facepalm

[sportjames23]

What did he average in the 4th quarter?


Bodied. :oldlol:

[Dragic4Life]

Goat.

[sportjames23]

Exactly. That Spurs team would have beat 95% of NBA teams ever, and on their best day, might be the best team ever. They were so damn good.

Lebron played fantastic. He struggled to guard Leonard, but he sucks at guarding SF's with a quick first step who don't overdribble. He only guarded him two games. The other 3, he absolutely shut down Parker.

It was a fantastic performance and hardly empty stats. Whenever he went off, we crumbled. How is that empty? If anything, he is the sole reason we're afloat.

:kobe:

[sportjames23]

LeBron is not even good enough to perform fellatio on jordan yet you call him the goat!



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[riseagainst]

i'm a huge lebron fan. But objectively speaking, something most lebron c0cksuckers would not do on this forum or anywhere for that matter, he put up empty numbers.

[LAZERUSS]

i'm a huge lebron fan. But objectively speaking, something most lebron c0cksuckers would not do on this forum or anywhere for that matter, he put up empty numbers.

Aside from LeBron, the Spurs had the next 6-7 best players on the floor. The rest of LeBron's teammates were pure garbage.

Boris Diaw, coming off the bench, was better than any Heat player not named Lebron.

[Anaximandro1]

LeBron statpadded in garbage time.


Bron is so lucky ... he plays in the weak Eastern conference when the rules are tailored to make it easier for perimeter players.


[QUOTE=Mark Cuban]

the NBA eliminated all forms of hand-checking before the 2004-2005 season. The rule was intended to give offensive players more freedom, but has given offensive players an unfair advantage. It

[Paul George 24]

Goat.
flopper ????????:rockon:

[Paul George 24]

Sorry to tell you this...but it is a FACT...

Lebron was a FAR greater player in the last three playoff runs than your boy Wade. Wade was simply along for the ride.

lebron is nothing without wade :lol