Are Monroe, Drummond and Smith really that terrible?

[HOoopCityJones]

These dudes were getting worked by Boozer and Hill of all people, the entire night....:facepalm

They better hope Detroit is dumb enough to keep overspending on their contracts. I don't see any of these guys getting a Max, maybe Monroe but damn...

[el gringos]

They should trade smith AND Monroe

[Proctor]

Drummond shouldn't be untouchable either.

[LilEddyCurry]

They are terrible together. Should of traded Monroe for Bledsoe.

[Fire Colangelo]

Smith - Had potential, never improved on his shot selection/IQ. Used to be a decent defender based on his athleticism alone, but once that got away from him he's been mediocre ever since.

Monroe - Shows promise here and there, a change of scenery would probably be the best for him at this moment. He just looks disinterested out there.

Drummond - Got dumped by that iCarly girl and never been the same since.

[Legends66NBA7]

Smith - Had potential, never improved on his shot selection/IQ. Used to be a decent defender based on his athleticism alone, but once that got away from him he's been mediocre ever since.

Monroe - Shows promise here and there, a change of scenery would probably be the best for him at this moment. He just looks disinterested out there.

Drummond - Got dumped by that iCarly girl and never been the same since.

Above all that, the floor spacing when they play together is horrible.

[Fire Colangelo]

Above all that, the floor spacing when they play together is horrible.

Not to mention Jennings, who's probably the WORST possible chucker point guard to put next to these 3 guys.

[Genaro]

Their peaces don't fit next to each other, is like they got players without thinking if they would mesh.

[Rake2204]

SMITH actually has many good qualities. He's currently averaging 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.6 blocks. The issue is, he insists on doing the things he's clearly not good at.

It's cool when he's able to come up with a big block or key rebound, but he throws it all away with the numerous times he decides to prematurely rifle a mid-range jumper, brick a free throw (42% coming into tonight) or attempt to dribble coast to coast before trying to thread a terrible pass.

But again, he can be tough to evaluate because his statistics are often very full, suggesting many good things - it's just they're nullified in many instances.

MONROE has been a ceiling 16 and 9 guy since his rookie year. He's not really quick or athletic enough for a ton more. Getting occasional 26 and 13 games out of him is his max. And that's good, but it's not great. Like many Pistons, he'd be a very good fit on a team somewhere, but he's not the go-to guy Detroit so desperately needs. Also very slow on defense.

DRUMMOND really might be offensively hamstrung for his entire career. As of a couple weeks ago, his points per post-up rate was 116th out of 117 amongst people eligible for that ranking. He is downright awful offensively. He's a monster on the glass & he can spring for oops, but he's pretty limited otherwise.

ALL TOGETHER, those three create a situation where there's pretty much one guy who's an offensive threat - and even then it has its caveats. Smith can be delightful in the open floor, but as long as he's relying on flying off-balance hooks and runners, he'll have a rare night like tonight where he makes a flurry but otherwise it's awful.

[Fire Colangelo]

SMITH actually has many good qualities. He's currently averaging 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.6 blocks. The issue is, he insists on doing the things he's clearly not good at.

It's cool when he's able to come up with a big block or key rebound, but he throws it all away with the numerous times he decides to prematurely rifle a mid-range jumper, brick a free throw (42% coming into tonight) or attempt to dribble coast to coast before trying to thread a terrible pass.

But again, he can be tough to evaluate because his statistics are often very full, suggesting many good things - it's just they're nullified in many instances.

MONROE has been a ceiling 16 and 9 guy since his rookie year. He's not really quick or athletic enough for a ton more. Getting occasional 26 and 13 games out of him is his max. And that's good, but it's not great. Like many Pistons, he'd be a very good fit on a team somewhere, but he's not the go-to guy Detroit so desperately needs. Also very slow on defense.

DRUMMOND really might be offensively hamstrung for his entire career. As of a couple weeks ago, his points per post-up rate was 116th out of 117 amongst people eligible for that ranking. He is downright awful offensively. He's a monster on the glass & he can spring for oops, but he's pretty limited otherwise.

ALL TOGETHER, those three create a situation where there's pretty much one guy who's an offensive threat - and even then it has its caveats. Smith can be delightful in the open floor, but as long as he's relying on flying off-balance hooks and runners, he'll have a rare night like tonight where he makes a flurry but otherwise it's awful.

I agree, all three guys have positive values individually, but not a good fit together.

All three guys can benefit a team individually, but put them together with Jennings, you get a mess.

I'd love to have Monroe on the Raptors, he's a little bit slow defensively but he's still young, and can get better.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

They should trade smith AND Monroe

nobody is going to give u anything more then 2nd for Monroe as he will be UFA

[ImKobe]

Guys have no chemistry/lack IQ on the defensive end and it doesn't help that they are limited players on offense.

Smith would be a decent player, if he knew how to use his skillset. Dude could be a Lamar Odom type player, if only he didn't jack up one jumper after another.

87% of his jump shots(made) are assisted, and he's shooting 27% on them, wow :kobe:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Drummond for Dion Waiters

[swagga]

Their peaces don't fit next to each other, is like they got players without thinking if they would mesh.

the war for minutes really taking its toll :roll:

[Jailblazers7]

Really wanna see Monroe on LA or NY. I think he would be the perfect big for the Lakers and I think the triangle is where he belongs. Either that or replace Z-Bo on Memphis cause him and Marc would be fun.

[sammichoffate]

Give one to the Lakers or Suns, it honestly can't get any worse at this point :lol

[GimmeThat]

without zone defense, they ARE some terrible pieces fitting together


as for offense, trying to create meanings out of their passes even when given areas they may not be efficient at scoring, especially under the 24 seconds shot clock is really the troubling matter.


instead of teaching them the Princeton "read" offense.

you might as well teach them the orbital theory in order to help create some spacing.

[Heavincent]

Josh Smith should be good, but he's such a low IQ player that he sucks. Stan Van Gundy looks like he wants to blow his brains out every time he jacks up a perimeter shot.

[Done_And_Done]

SMITH actually has many good qualities. He's currently averaging 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.6 blocks. The issue is, he insists on doing the things he's clearly not good at.

It's cool when he's able to come up with a big block or key rebound, but he throws it all away with the numerous times he decides to prematurely rifle a mid-range jumper, brick a free throw (42% coming into tonight) or attempt to dribble coast to coast before trying to thread a terrible pass.

But again, he can be tough to evaluate because his statistics are often very full, suggesting many good things - it's just they're nullified in many instances.

MONROE has been a ceiling 16 and 9 guy since his rookie year. He's not really quick or athletic enough for a ton more. Getting occasional 26 and 13 games out of him is his max. And that's good, but it's not great. Like many Pistons, he'd be a very good fit on a team somewhere, but he's not the go-to guy Detroit so desperately needs. Also very slow on defense.

DRUMMOND really might be offensively hamstrung for his entire career. As of a couple weeks ago, his points per post-up rate was 116th out of 117 amongst people eligible for that ranking. He is downright awful offensively. He's a monster on the glass & he can spring for oops, but he's pretty limited otherwise.

ALL TOGETHER, those three create a situation where there's pretty much one guy who's an offensive threat - and even then it has its caveats. Smith can be delightful in the open floor, but as long as he's relying on flying off-balance hooks and runners, he'll have a rare night like tonight where he makes a flurry but otherwise it's awful.

Solid, insightful post - repped

I get the sense that the Pistons big minute players just lack an intellectual feel for the game. They've got talent, but such that requires to be playing amongst higher IQ players to fully materialize their potentials. A starting lineup that boasts the likes of a Jennings, Smith and an offensively green Drummond has awlways spelled disaster to me. This team will never be a winner as long as this is their core.

Done and Done

[Done_And_Done]

Josh Smith should be good, but he's such a low IQ player that he sucks. Stan Van Gundy looks like he wants to blow his brains out every time he jacks up a perimeter shot.

Can't believe this dude still thinks he's Carmelo Anthony...

[FPJ]

There's no Big from Miami i'd trade for Monroe.:oldlol:

[Demitri98]

Trade Monroe for Bledsoe and Jennings + Smith for Rondo.

Rondo
Bledsoe
???
???
Drummond

Leaves them cap space to fill out the 3 and 4 spots.
lol this will never happen

[boozehound]

Trade Monroe for Bledsoe and Jennings + Smith for Rondo.

Rondo
Bledsoe
???
???
Drummond

Leaves them cap space to fill out the 3 and 4 spots.
lol this will never happen
Monroe cannot be traded without his consent and it doesnt include bird rights. Hes not tradeable except to some team that desperately needs him for just this season. and then you arent getting much for him.


I agree that Drummond's body language is much worse this season. None of our perimeter guys are good enough shooters to create any spacing and the fit of all these guys is terrible. J smoove has some positives, but he is allowed too big a role in the offense. Basically, smoove/jennings pick and rolls are super frequent and almost always end up with a low efficiency shot or wild drive.


There is no fix for this team this year and they may as well try for the best draft pick at this point. My biggest regret of the last 2 years isnt the smoove signing (though I was outraged at the time), but the knight/middleton/krastov for jennings trade. Middleton would be the best sf on this team and knight is a much better shooter than jennings. a big body like krastov (not that hes particularly good) would mean that the trade for j anthony would not have happened. Will Bynum would have won at least two of the close games by himself.

[Mass Debator]

I love my Pistons team on 2K lol. They have worthy 1st round picks to trade.

Got Lillard for Jennings and picks
Got Kawhi for Smith and picks

[morbius]

My biggest regret of the last 2 years isnt the smoove signing (though I was outraged at the time), but the knight/middleton/krastov for jennings trade. Middleton would be the best sf on this team and knight is a much better shooter than jennings. a big body like krastov (not that hes particularly good) would mean that the trade for j anthony would not have happened. Will Bynum would have won at least two of the close games by himself.

I told everyone two summers ago that JSmoove and Jennings are going to be the new Ben Gordon and Charlie Vilanueva for the Pistons. They made exactly the same stupid mistake twice.

[DukeDelonte13]

i think drummond is a bit overrated and monroe is underrated.

[magic chiongson]

These dudes were getting worked by Boozer and Hill of all people, the entire night....:facepalm

They better hope Detroit is dumb enough to keep overspending on their contracts. I don't see any of these guys getting a Max, maybe Monroe but damn...

we'll trade boozer & hill for those 2..do it mitch