Monta Ellis has to be an all-star this season

[masonanddixon]

Mavs best player and incredibly clutch.

[navy]

Kobe
Harden
CP3
Curry.
Westbrook

He wont make it.

[masonanddixon]

Kobe
Harden
CP3
Curry.
Westbrook

He wont make it.

He's playing better than all of them except maybe Curry.

[navy]

He's playing better than all of them except maybe Curry.
Delusional.

All of them except Kobe , who is a voter lock.

Maybe Westbrook who has only played like 3 games.

[masonanddixon]

Delusional.

All of them except Kobe , who is a voter lock.

Maybe Westbrook who has only played like 3 games.

He's the most complete SG right now and by a good margin.

I don't know how closely you've been following him but he's been the undisputed best player on Dallas this season and he's doing it on both ends.

[navy]

He's the most complete SG right now and by a good margin.

I don't know how closely you've been following him but he's been the undisputed best player on Dallas this season and he's doing it on both ends.
Sure. :rolleyes:

Ive seen enough Maverick games and can easily pull up his stat sheet. He doesnt have the credentials. Plus common sense in knowing that the all star game has a popularity factor.

[masonanddixon]

Sure. :rolleyes:

Ive seen enough Maverick games and can easily pull up his stat sheet. He doesnt have the credentials. Plus common sense in knowing that the all star game has a popularity factor.

Did you just watch him today???

Popularity factor only works for the starters though--coaches vote in the subs. And he should absolutely be a coaches' pick.

[DMAVS41]

He's the most complete SG right now and by a good margin.

I don't know how closely you've been following him but he's been the undisputed best player on Dallas this season and he's doing it on both ends.


He has absolutely not been the undisputed best player. No qualms with someone claiming that, but undisputed? Just no.

Monta 20/5/3 54% TS 107 ortg 108 drtg
Dirk 19/6/2 60% TS 121 ortg 106 drtg

Sorry.

Honestly....Tyson has probably been our MVP so far this season.

Now...I totally support Monta being an all-star, but slow your roll buddy.

[DirkNowitzki41]

hes a beast. improved his all around game. dude is an all-star whether he makes the team or not

[masonanddixon]

He has absolutely not been the undisputed best player. No qualms with someone claiming that, but undisputed? Just no.

Monta 20/5/3 54% TS 107 ortg 108 drtg
Dirk 19/6/2 60% TS 121 ortg 106 drtg

Sorry.

Honestly....Tyson has probably been our MVP so far this season.

Monta has been setting up Dirk far more than Dirk getting Monta looks. Dirk is basically a spot up shooter for 3 quarters now.

There's also shit you can't quantify, like Monta's massive iron balls at the end of games. He's basically doing everything Dirk did at his peak.

[navy]

Did you just watch him today???

Popularity factor only works for the starters though--coaches vote in the subs. And he should absolutely be a coaches' pick.

I caught the overtimes and end of the fourth. Clutch. Lots of shots.

:facepalm
1)Curry
2) Kobe

Starters.

Harden
CP3
Westbrook

Reserves.


I was being kind so I didnt mention Lillard who will make it over him as well.

Ellis has been one of my favorite dudes since his golden state days. So it's not like I'm hating on him. Just the way things are.

[DMAVS41]

Monta has been setting up Dirk far more than Dirk getting Monta looks. Dirk is basically a spot up shooter for 3 quarters now.

There's also shit you can't quantify, like Monta's massive iron balls at the end of games. He's basically doing everything Dirk did at his peak.


Jesus....just no to the bold.

You aren't factoring in what Dirk brings just by being on the floor. Honestly? I bet Monta gets more good looks because Dirk is on the floor than Dirk gets from Monta.

Whatever....dude has been great this year, but you are going way too far with it.

Again...Tyson has been our MVP. He's anchoring a horrid defensive supporting cast and giving us like 11/11 while setting great screens and setting the tone for toughness.

[Smoke117]

The thread idea was good...then OP had to go and overrate Monta Ellis...lol. The most complete sg in the league...:oldlol:

[chocolatethunder]

He has absolutely not been the undisputed best player. No qualms with someone claiming that, but undisputed? Just no.

Monta 20/5/3 54% TS 107 ortg 108 drtg
Dirk 19/6/2 60% TS 121 ortg 106 drtg

Sorry.

Honestly....Tyson has probably been our MVP so far this season.

Now...I totally support Monta being an all-star, but slow your roll buddy.

Holy shit and tonight Parsons actually played well finally.

[Undisputed]

It's amazing what a prayer 3 point shot will do for a players stock.

[masonanddixon]

Holy shit and tonight Parsons actually played well finally.

Parsons has been really good these past few games and is playing excellent defense.

[DMAVS41]

Parsons has been really good these past few games and is playing excellent defense.

He has...if he gets going....look out league.

[bdreason]

Kobe and Curry will get the fan votes. Harden and Lillard will probably get the coach votes.

[navy]

Kobe and Curry will get the fan votes. Harden and Lillard will probably get the coach votes.
Chris Paul and Westbrook....

[masonanddixon]

Kobe and Curhry will get the fan votes. Harden and Lillard will
probably get the coach votes.

Monta's been better than all of them

[bdreason]

oh man I forgot about CP3 as well.

[DMAVS41]

Monta's been better than all of them

Shut the **** up man...

Curry is a demonstrably better player than Ellis.

I love Ellis too, but you don't have to go this far.

[bdreason]

Monta's been better than all of them


Tie breaker usually comes down to team record. I'm assuming both Houston and Portland will have better records than Dallas.

CP3 will probably get the nod over Lillard if the Clippers have a top record.I don't see Westbrook getting in considered he missed time and his teams record.

[navy]

Tie breaker usually comes down to team record. I'm assuming both Houston and Portland will have better records than Dallas.

CP3 will probably get the nod over Lillard if the Clippers have a top record.I don't see Westbrook getting in considered he missed time and his teams record.
Not really. CP3 is a veteran all star. The coaches will pick him no matter what.

[DirkNowitzki41]

It's amazing what a prayer 3 point shot will do for a players stock.

actually, we're going by what ellis has done all year

not a fluke type situation like Rose :oldlol:

[Silverbullit]

Monta has been setting up Dirk far more than Dirk getting Monta looks. Dirk is basically a spot up shooter for 3 quarters now.

There's also shit you can't quantify, like Monta's massive iron balls at the end of games. He's basically doing everything Dirk did at his peak.

Dirk 10 assists tonight, Monta 1.....

[Cali Syndicate]

He'll be a snub again this year just like he's been Whenever he's had an all star season. Dudes underrated though.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

West is stacked at guard.

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Harden
Lilard

are all clearly better players. Then you got guys like:

Parker
Thompson
Matthews
Kobe (who's a lock based on popularity)
Ginobli
Lawson
Dragic
Bledsoe
Etc...

[Cone]

West is stacked at guard.

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Harden
Lilard

are all clearly better players. Then you got guys like:

Parker
Thompson
Matthews
Kobe (who's a lock based on popularity)
Ginobli
Lawson
Dragic
Bledsoe
Etc...

monta is better than all those guys in the 2nd list other than maybe parker and kobe.

but ya, i dont think he makes it. but hes allstar caliber player

[imnew09]

All Start starting are fan votes, the remaining are coaches' votes. So yea, Monta might get vote in this year :cheers:

[Smoke117]

EVERYONE overrates the Mavs and their players...EXCEPT THE ACTUAL MAVS FANS...it's quite a phenomenon. I guess you can give Mavs fans the level headed award...

[sammichoffate]

Monta's been overdue for a while, it's bad luck to have so many stacked guards out west :(

[masonanddixon]

He's tearing the Bucks a new asshole today.

[J Shuttlesworth]

oihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[masonanddixon]

Monta is the GOAT

[konex]

MONTAHAVEITALL :bowdown:

[rezznor]

MONTAHAVEITALL :bowdown:
Monte out for the season after tonight thanks konex

[DirkNowitzki41]

I guess this is appropriate for this thread:

"We wanted Monta to have the ball at the end, to hit the shot and to get out of there," Carlisle said. "Look, that's an All-Star, flat out. The load he's carried on this trip has been phenomenal. Winning two games without Dirk ... Monta Ellis is having some kind of year."

carlisle has spoken :bowdown:

[kenny817]

All It Have

He Does

Monta

[Dresta]

Monta has been setting up Dirk far more than Dirk getting Monta looks. Dirk is basically a spot up shooter for 3 quarters now.

There's also shit you can't quantify, like Monta's massive iron balls at the end of games. He's basically doing everything Dirk did at his peak.
:roll:

Oh dear...

[Jlamb47]

Kobe
Harden
Curry
CP3
Westbrook
Lillard
Thompson

all have a case over him

[lilteapot]

Kobe
Harden
CP3
Curry.
Westbrook

He wont make it.
This. He's great and I love watching him play but he won't get voted in over those guys.

[goldcrow]

From Monta the chucker, to Monta have it all. Amazing transformation. Let us rejoice fellow MFFLs.

[SCdac]

He's been awesome this year. Loved watching him in GS and nice to see he's now on a relatively balanced, veteran lead team w/ a great coach.

[moaz]

MONTAHAVEITALL :bowdown:

Someone send this to Monta asap

http://www.queen-of-theme-party-games.com/images/halloween-scavenger-hunt-clues-curses.jpg

[Bird]

monta is better than all those guys in the 2nd list other than maybe parker and kobe.

but ya, i dont think he makes it. but hes allstar caliber player

Klay Thompson is clearly better than Monta and I say that as a Mavs fan.

I love Monta. He can have it all, but the massive overrating of the guy by certain individuals on these boards is getting quite ridiculous.

As it stands, he is at the bottom of a top 10 list of best guards in the West.

Curry, Klay, Harden, Paul, Lillard, Kobe, Westbrook are all above him, with Lawson, Conley and Wes Mathews having very solid arguments to be above or equal to him.

He is definitely playing at an All Star level, but so are 10 other guards in the West. If he was in the East, he'd have a better shot at an All Star nod.

Now just enjoy the season Monta is having and quit trying to force Monta "Top Guard in the West" Ellis down everyone's throats.

[Cone]

Klay Thompson is clearly better than Monta and I say that as a Mavs fan.

I love Monta. He can have it all, but the massive overrating of the guy by certain individuals on these boards is getting quite ridiculous.

As it stands, he is at the bottom of a top 10 list of best guards in the West.

Curry, Klay, Harden, Paul, Lillard, Kobe, Westbrook are all above him, with Lawson, Conley and Wes Mathews having very solid arguments to be above or equal to him.

He is definitely playing at an All Star level, but so are 10 other guards in the West. If he was in the East, he'd have a better shot at an All Star nod.

Now just enjoy the season Monta is having and quit trying to force Monta "Top Guard in the West" Ellis down everyone's throats.

no on klay, lawson or wes. especially not wes.

[Bird]

no on klay, lawson or wes. especially not wes.

Solid debate.

You've thoroughly changed my mind on all 3 players after that intelligent response.

[Carter_17]

As it stands, he is at the bottom of a top 10 list of best guards in the West.

Curry, Klay, Harden, Paul are all above him,

:coleman:

2 spot up shooters, a guy who's best skill is that he can gain fouls and the biggest underachiever of the past 5 years .

Monta is easily top5 guard in the league Kobe, Wall , Westbrick , Ellis , Lillard .

[GrapeApe]

:coleman:

2 spot up shooters, a guy who's best skill is that he can gain fouls and the biggest underachiever of the past 5 years .

Monta is easily top5 guard in the league Kobe, Wall , Westbrick , Ellis , Lillard .

You managed to cram a whole lot of terrible into a very short post. Well done.

[Bird]

:coleman:

2 spot up shooters, a guy who's best skill is that he can gain fouls and the biggest underachiever of the past 5 years .

Monta is easily top5 guard in the league Kobe, Wall , Westbrick , Ellis , Lillard .

Once again, another terrible post in response to my list.

Like I said, Ellis is somewhere in the 8-10 range when ranking Western Conference guards.

If any GM came to Mark Cuban and was offering Klay, Paul, Harden, Kobe, Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, Conley or Lawson....he's probably celebrating and letting Monta know that it was a business decision, not a personal decision.

Also, Wall isn't in the Western Conference, I assume you meant Curry instead.

[sammichoffate]

Once again, another terrible post in response to my list.

Like I said, Ellis is somewhere in the 8-10 range when ranking Western Conference guards.

If any GM came to Mark Cuban and was offering Klay, Paul, Harden, Kobe, Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, Conley or Lawson....he's probably celebrating and letting Monta know that it was a business decision, not a personal decision.

Also, Wall isn't in the Western Conference, I assume you meant Curry instead.You think he would deserve it if the Mavs got the #1 seed by AS weekend?

[navy]

You think he would deserve it if the Mavs got the #1 seed by AS weekend?
He deserves a spot now. But that doesnt mean he'll get one.

Who would he beat out?

[DirkNowitzki41]

He deserves a spot now. But that doesnt mean he'll get one.

Who would he beat out?

How much guard spots are there on the all-star team?

[Carter_17]

Once again, another terrible post in response to my list.

Like I said, Ellis is somewhere in the 8-10 range when ranking Western Conference guards.

If any GM came to Mark Cuban and was offering Klay, Paul, Harden, Kobe, Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, Conley or Lawson....he's probably celebrating and letting Monta know that it was a business decision, not a personal decision.

Also, Wall isn't in the Western Conference, I assume you meant Curry instead.

My point was that ellis is a top 5 guard in the league not just in the West. Kobe, Westbrook, Wall , Ellis , Lillard (not with that order)

[navy]

How much guard spots are there on the all-star team?
2 starter guards, 3 front court starters

The bench can be anyone I think.

[andremiller07]

Either him or Dirk assuming Dallas can maintain this pace (W-L) will get into the game, no way both get in but.

[navy]

My point was that ellis is a top 5 guard in the league not just in the West. Kobe, Westbrook, Wall , Ellis , Lillard (not with that order)
What? Curry?Paul?Harden?

[Carter_17]

Also it's the first season that Klay averages 20 points per game. He is lower in steals and assists than ellis. He is a spot up shooter, how can he even have a case over Ellis.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Ellis is actually more deserving than Kobe this year he just won't get in over Kobe because of popularity.

[Carter_17]

What? Curry?Paul?Harden?

I explained it some posts above. Although I admit that Curry might have a case over lillard or ellis.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's amazing what a prayer 3 point shot will do for a players stock.
:applause:

[Cone]

:applause:
what a stupid post by both you. hes been great all year. whats funny is that the ellis 3 was not a prayer, it was a regular 3. the rose one on the other hand was a prayer.. one hand floater from 3? please...

[Cone]

Solid debate.

You've thoroughly changed my mind on all 3 players after that intelligent response.

yeah because your post was so intelligent, huh? :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

the rose one on the other hand was a prayer.. one hand floater from 3? please...
Relevance?

[kenny817]

It's amazing what a prayer 3 point shot will do for a players stock.

Prayer 3 point shot? That hasn't happened this season

Are you even watching games? Hell...are you even watching the highlights at least?

In no way shape or form has Monta hit a "prayer 3"

[pastis]

he will make the all star team without any probs.

monta game winner:bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

He deserves it, but West is so stacked with guards, that I don't he will. Kobe(due to his popularity), CP3 automatically get voted in as starters. For other guards we have Curry, Westbrook, Lillard? I don't think he's gonna make it. It's just unfortunate that he's playing in the west.

I can't believe he's never been an all star. It's due to happen some day. Or we could just put him on the list of best players to never make an all star team.

[bettalaylow]

He deserves it, but West is so stacked with guards, that I don't he will. Kobe(due to his popularity), CP3 automatically get voted in as starters. For other guards we have Curry, Westbrook, Lillard? I don't think he's gonna make it. It's just unfortunate that he's playing in the west.

I can't believe he's never been an all star. It's due to happen some day. Or we could just put him on the list of best players to never make an all star team.

I rather him rest and kick ass in the playoffs against all the guys he got snubbed in favor of.

[hawksdreamfan44]

He should make it no doubt. But I doubt he will. He's been snubbed over and over again. And now he's back in the Western Conference, which is stacked at two-guard with Kobe, James Harden, and Klay Thompson.

[Genaro]

Kobe, Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Haren, Lillard and Klay. They all are in my opinion more likely to make it.
Then you have guys like Lawson, Conley and Parker who also have an argument.

Ellis is having a great season but the West is just too deep. He won't make it.

[ArbitraryWater]

EVERYONE overrates the Mavs and their players...EXCEPT THE ACTUAL MAVS FANS...it's quite a phenomenon. I guess you can give Mavs fans the level headed award...

can confirm and will accept the award