Over Population Isn't A Problem

[sweggeh]

Mankind is expanding technologically to the point that over the next hundred few years, people will be living on different planets and in space. Plenty of space on Mars.

[Le Shaqtus]

Wish I had your optimism :lol

[RidonKs]

that isn't why population SHOULDN'T be a problem. maybe it's why it won't necessarily ever BE a problem.

[StephHamann]

Chances that you get rich by making youtube videos is higher than human colonies in space in the future

[sweggeh]

Chances that you get rich by making youtube videos is higher than human colonies in space in the future

The first people to live on Mars will be going in 2024. It is already decided and scientists are making preparations as we speak. There is no if. Its going to happen.

[BigBoss]

Shut the hell up OP and educate yourself on this topic. No we do not have the technology to inhabit other planets on a large scale nor can you make a prediction like that. You do realize Gallileo located Jupiter and its moons 500 years ago with a telescope. Yeah we have the technology to put rovers on Mars, and objects into orbit of distant planets, but we do not possess the technology nor the sustainable resources for life on other planets. We've snapped pictures of distance planets yet still don't know shit about them. The logistics at the moment are nowhere near what would be required. If you think of inhabiting another planet as a human beings life, we are at the infant stage. I know you just saw Interstellar, but separate fact from science fiction. You naive beta bish.

[IamRAMBO24]

Shut the hell up OP and educate yourself on this topic. No we do not have the technology to inhabit other planets on a large scale nor can you make a prediction like that. You do realize Gallileo located Jupiter and its moons 500 years ago with a telescope. Yeah we have the technology to put rovers on Mars, and objects into orbit of distant planets, but we do not possess the technology nor the sustainable resources for life on other planets. We've snapped pictures of distance planets yet still don't know shit about them. The logistics at the moment are nowhere near what would be required. If you think of inhabiting another planet as a human beings life, we are at the infant stage. I know you just saw Interstellar, but separate fact from science fiction. You naive beta bish.

I hope you are being sarcastic. You are one dumb f*ck if you're not.

[Cowboy Thunder]

http://i.imgur.com/Bk4Fi77.jpg

[BigBoss]

I hope you are being sarcastic. You are one dumb f*ck if you're not.

I'm 100% not being sarcastic. There have been precursor missions in regards to sending man on a planet like Mars and i believe they did tests in hawaii where astronauts were secluded to create conditions like on the martian surface, but to equate that to "overpopulation is not a problem and we'll have the technology in a few hundred years to harness the solar systems energy and live on other planets" is one of the most naive and uneducated comments i've ever heard in my life on this planet in my 26 years of existence. You can run a science experiment on mars with a few people, but again they would live in pods and study rocks at the MOST. OP is suggesting creating a civilization on another planet. OP is all of the sudden an astro physicist, chemist, astronomer, and just a expert on the trend of mankind's civilization. Some azzhole on inside hoops who watched interstellar and googled some articles LOL. Of course you'l pop out of that woodwork and agree. ISH has already established your IQ is that of a monkey.

And the most habitual planet in the solar system is one of jupiter's moon named Europa yet you have OP talking about Mars. Educate yourself and come back with a serious rebuttal so i can destroy you on this topic. bitch. negged for breathing oxygen.

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm 100% not being sarcastic. There have been precursor missions in regards to sending man on a planet like Mars and i believe they did tests in hawaii where astronauts were secluded to create conditions like on the martian surface, but to equate that to "overpopulation is not a problem and we'll have the technology in a few hundred years to harness the solar systems energy is one of the most naive and uneducated comments i've ever heard in my life on this planet in my 26 years of existence. OP is all of the sudden an astro physicist, chemist, astronomer, and just a expert on the trend of mankind's civilization. Some azzhole on inside hoops who watched interstellar and googled some articles LOL. Of course you'l pop out of that woodwork and agree. ISH has already established your IQ is that of a monkey.

And the most habitual planet in the solar system is one of jupiter's moon named Europa yet you have OP talking about Mars. Educate yourself and come back with a serious rebuttal so i can destroy you on this topic. bitch.

Logical fallacy:

1. You're making an assumption about the future.

The progression of technology has been astronomical this century. You never know what we are capable of when under dire circumstances. We may or may not live on mars, but I am not dumb and try to say for certain we won't.

You're just being narrow minded.

[BigBoss]

Logical fallacy:

1. You're making an assumption about the future.

The progression of technology has been astronomical this century. You never know what we are capable of when under dire circumstances. We may or may not live on mars, but I am not dumb and try to say for certain we won't.

You're just being narrow minded.

You have this azz backwards. YOU two are the ones making an assumption about the future. There is no way you can predict that in the next few hundred years we'll be able to inhabit planets and solve the problem of overpopulation.

Here is my stance as stated earlier:


If you think of inhabiting another planet as a human beings life, we are at the infant stage.

We are headed towards that, or we are progressing towards that, but there is no evidence right now that any object in the solar system is habitual in the first place! There is so much information we need, and so many advances we need to make on technology and energy to even begin to think of that. You cannot make a claim the way OP did without having the facts first. Where are both of your reasoning skills?

I'm done. I've literally lost IQ points and wasted time from this beautiful day speaking to you ya bishh

[IamRAMBO24]

You have this azz backwards. YOU two are the ones making an assumption about the future. There is no way you can predict that in the next few hundred years we'll be able to inhabit planets and solve the problem of overpopulation.

Here is my stance as stated earlier:



We are headed towards that, or we are progressing towards that, but there is no evidence right now that any object in the solar system is habitual in the first place! There is so much information we need, and so many advances we need to make on technology and energy to even begin to think of that. You cannot make a claim the way OP did without having the facts first. Where are both of your reasoning skills?

I'm done. I've literally lost IQ points and wasted time from this beautiful day speaking to you ya bishh

1. I'm guessing you are smarter than Michio Kaku. He said the next phase of evolution is space colonization. Eventually this planet will be over-populated and all the resources will be used up, so based on human history (we are natural explorers), we will start colonizing planets. Mars first, then Jupiter, so on and so forth.

2. This sounds logical to me. Your dumba*s is riding on the idea we do not have the technology to do this. No sh*t captain obvious. We do not have the technology today to outright live on Mars, but how do you know for certain we will not have it in the future?

[BigBoss]

1. I'm guessing you are smarter than Michio Kaku. He said the next phase of evolution is space colonization. Eventually this planet will be over-populated and all the resources will be used up, so based on human history (we are natural explorers), we will start colonizing planets. Mars first, then Jupiter, so on and so forth.

2. This sounds logical to me. Your dumba*s is riding on the idea we do not have the technology to do this. No sh*t captain obvious. We do not have the technology today to outright live on Mars, but how do you know for certain we will not have it in the future?
You're confused.


That's not my position on this argument nor ever was. Re-read this thread. You don't understand what I'm saying because you don't know what your talking about.


You: Are we there yet?

Me: no

You: but are we there yet?

Me: no

p.s. Mars is a dead planet. It has no electromagnetic field or any water.

What technology would allow us to colonize there to the extent that it solves over population on our planet LOL. You have no idea WTF your talking about and don't understand WHY i disagree with OP's statement. You've steered, side tracked, and completely went off tangent.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol. Jupiter. What a dumb ass.

[BigBoss]

Lol. Jupiter. What a dumb ass.

Stay out of this Chris Kaman's little sister

[IamRAMBO24]

You're confused.


That's not my position on this argument nor ever was. Re-read this thread. You don't understand what I'm saying because you don't know what your talking about.


You: Are we there yet?

Me: no

You: but are we there yet?

Me: no

p.s. Mars is a dead planet. It has no electromagnetic field. What technology would allow us to colonize there to the extent that it solves over population on our planet LOL. You have no idea WTF your talking about and don't understand WHY i disagree with OP's statement. You've steered, side tracked, and completely went off tangent.

I think Michio Kaku is smarter than you, so I will side with him.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lol. Jupiter. What a dumb ass.

Not just Jupiter, but the entire solar system.

You can't laugh about the future because you will never know. You and bigboss are the same cynics who used to say we could never reach the moon. Quantum Physics is already talking about teleportation and time travel and yet you idiots are laughing about space colonization? Stop being so f*ckin shallow. Grow some balls and dream a little.

[BigBoss]

I think Michio Kaku is smarter than you, so I will side with him.


Theoretically you may have sex with a girl one day. Doesn't mean it will happen. Actually we'll probably colonize on Mars before that does.

[BigBoss]

Not just Jupiter, but the entire solar system.

You can't laugh about the future because you will never know. You and bigboss are the same cynics who used to say we could never reach the moon. Quantum Physics is already talking about teleportation and time travel and yet you idiots are laughing about space colonization? Stop being so f*ckin shallow. Grow some balls and dream a little.

WTF are you going on about!!!!

DUH DUH DUH to everything you said, but that was never the point of this debate!

Can we colonize on other planets?


Let's back up.

Do you think we will be able to colonize on Mars within the next few hundred years? Yes or no? We would literally have to build a machine to restore the magnetic field, to transfer trillions and trillions of tons of water, a machine that can create life through small unicellular/microorganisms, a machine that would restore its eco system, we would need to stabilize its weather, we would then need to build a ship that can transport millions of people there on renewable energy, then we would need to begin construction there, ETC ETC ETC. Do you realize how absurd that sounds? Or how in over your head you are. Michio Kaku would probably call you a fukin idiot right now. .

[IamRAMBO24]

WTF are you going on about!!!!

DUH DUH DUH to everything you said, but that was never the point of this debate!

Can we colonize on other planets?


Let's back up.

Do you think we will be able to colonize on Mars within the next few hundred years? Yes or no? We would literally have to build a machine to restore the magnetic field, to transfer trillions and trillions of tons of water, a machine that can create life through small unicellular/microorganisms, a machine that would restore its eco system, we would need to stabilize its weather, we would then need to build a ship that can transport millions of people there on renewable energy, then we would need to begin construction there, ETC ETC ETC. Do you realize how absurd that sounds? Or how in over your head you are

My position is purely of logic. You cannot predict the technological advances nor the future itself, therefore you cannot use the knowledge and technology we have today to make an assumption on the future.

Your logic is flawed.

[BigBoss]

My position is purely of logic. You cannot predict the technological advances nor the future itself, therefore you cannot use the knowledge and technology we have today to make an assumption on the future.

Your logic is flawed.

Duh.

But will the problem of overpopulation be solved through colonization of Mars ( or any solar object for that matter) in the next few hundred years? Yes or no? If you say no, then your on my team and just made an ass of yourself.

[IamRAMBO24]

Duh.

But will the problem of overpopulation be solved through colonization of Mars ( or any solar object for that matter) in the next few hundred years? Yes or no? If you say no, then your on my team and just made an ass of yourself.

Our technological advances have improved 10x over the last 2,000 years. Stop being so cynical and dream a little.

[BigBoss]

Our technological advances have improved 10x over the last 2,000 years. Stop being so cynical and dream a little.

Subjective. Does the iPhone help third world communities or a wagon? And vica versa.
The saddle on a horse was more revolutionary and a game changer then a TV.


Only medicine has advanced x1000000

[IamRAMBO24]

Subjective. Does the iPhone help third world communities or a wagon? And vica versa.

Only medicine has advanced x10

Yea cars, computers, airplanes, electricity, Einstein, Quantum Physics, etc. are not advancements.

:facepalm

You're an idiot. Go back to trolling Lebron23. It seems like the only thing you're good at.

[BigBoss]

Yea cars, computers, airplanes, electricity, Einstein, Quantum Physics, etc. are not advancements.

:facepalm



Your words not mines. And your changing the subject...again. Will we colonize on Mars? Yes or no? What part of the planet not having an electro magnetic field, plate tectonics, its core does not spin, it has no water, etc do you not understand LOL. Its not habitable. Ever. Its DEAD. If your telling me that in the next few hundred years we'll figure out how to stabilize a planet and return it to factory settings and manipulate its eco system then your an idiot. We'll destroy ourselves before we get that far.

[IamRAMBO24]

Your words not mines. And your changing the subject...again. Will we colonize on Mars? Yes or no? What part of the planet not having an electro magnetic field, plate tectonics, its core does not spin, it has no water, etc do you not understand LOL. Its not habitable. Ever. Its DEAD. If your telling me that in the next few hundred years we'll figure out how to stabilize a planet and return it to factory settings and manipulate its eco system then your an idiot. We'll destroy ourselves before we get that far.

http://www.mars-one.com/

Never underestimate human potential.

[IamRAMBO24]

Bigboss is having a melt down in this thread. :oldlol:

Dude sent me a message:

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

****ing idiot. Whats 1+1?

Negged me on his fake account, and then negged me again on his current red bar one which can't even neg. Haha what a loser. Is this idiot hands down the most emotionally insecure fakkit in this forum?

[BigBoss]

Bigboss is having a melt down in this thread. :oldlol:

Dude sent me a message:

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

****ing idiot. Whats 1+1?

Negged me on his fake account, and then negged me again on his current red bar one which can't even neg. Haha what a loser. Is this idiot hands down the most emotionally insecure fakkit in this forum?

1+1=?

Im waiting...

[BigBoss]

http://www.mars-one.com/

Never underestimate human potential.

I've referenced this in two posts already ( the mars simulator in hawaii, and living in pods to do science experiments). We've put rovers on Mars this isn't a giant leap that gets mankind to inhabit others planets and manipulate its resources ( if any) to SOLVE overpopulation on our planet.

Anyway you aren't intelligent enough to think deeper. I'll leave you with this---humans will go extinct in less than a billion years. The sun will explode in 4-5 billion years, there is already a countdown when all this is gone in our universe. Whose to say something won't crash into our moon and destroy our ecosystem? How do you think the moon was created in the first place? Universe has been around for over 15 billion years and is expanding. Humans...just 200,000. Mars a few billion years ago WAS alive now there is evidence of volcanism there and plate tectonic motion i.e. its core used to spin therefore it had an electro magnetic field, but it's all gone now. its dried up and dead. Same thing will happen with Earth. Guess how much money goes into NASA? 16 billion. Guess how much porn makes a year? 16 billion. Guess how much the population has grown these last 200 years? From 1 billion to 7 billion! This trend is not sustainable and we are not working fast enough. We are not as"advanced" as we COULD be nor will be prepared when the day comes.


Life is beautiful because we got to witness this for a short period of time, but we are not part of the universe's plan. One way or another everything in the universe dies and its energy is transferred elsewhere--FACT. The universe will evolve, not humans. Your naive as **** to think this is sustainable for eternity.

[DonD13]

Mankind is expanding technologically to the point that over the next hundred few years, people will be living on different planets and in space. Plenty of space on Mars.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f56b516e8519227edec150174ab8206/tumblr_mfp499IoD21qis1uxo1_500.gif

[IamRAMBO24]

I've referenced this in two posts already ( the mars simulator in hawaii, and living in pods to do science experiments). We've put rovers on Mars this isn't a giant leap that gets mankind to inhabit others planets and manipulate its resources ( if any) to SOLVE overpopulation on our planet.

Anyway you aren't intelligent enough to think deeper. I'll leave you with this---humans will go extinct in less than a billion years. The sun will explode in 4-5 billion years, there is already a countdown when all this is gone in our universe. Whose to say something won't crash into our moon and destroy our ecosystem? How do you think the moon was created in the first place? Universe has been around for over 15 billion years and is expanding. Humans...just 200,000. Mars a few billion years ago WAS alive now there is evidence of volcanism there and plate tectonic motion i.e. its core used to spin therefore it had an electro magnetic field, but it's all gone now. its dried up and dead. Same thing will happen with Earth. Guess how much money goes into NASA? 16 billion. Guess how much porn makes a year? 16 billion. We obviously have our priorities straight to sustain life. We are not as"Advanced" as we COULD be if we put all the political, social, economic, religious military, BS to the side.


Life is beautiful because we got to witness this for a short period of time, but we are not part of the universe's plan. One way or another everything in the universe dies and its energy is transferred elsewhere--FACT. The universe will evolve, not humans. Your naive as **** to think this is sustainable for eternity.

Again, you're using our current state of affairs, knowledge, and technologies to predict the future.

We cannot possibly know what new knowledge we gain or technologies we create to know for sure in a billion years what we can do to prolong our survival.

[Dresta]

Subjective. Does the iPhone help third world communities or a wagon? And vica versa.
The saddle on a horse was more revolutionary and a game changer then a TV.


Only medicine has advanced x1000000
No, actually, most of the medical advances that are now made are a consequence of technological advances and the improvement in medical techniques that come along with. For example, where for nearly all heart conditions it was either risk the condition or have your chest opened up, but now many of these surgeries can done simply by inserting a catheter in your groin. Not only that, but it was technological innovations such as the microscope that have been responsible for many important medical discoveries. Moreover, it is only by improving on these tools, and enhancing the limits of the human senses further, that we continue to make new discoveries and improvements.

I don't know why you're bringing up the iPhone and tv as the two are irrelevant - these are simply popular consumer products, and they clearly carry a great deal of subjective value, otherwise everyone wouldn't be buying them.

Advanced cancer treatments and all other kinds of things aren't the result of merely increased medical knowledge, but of technological innovation. Your neglecting of the value of technology is ignorant.

What's so bloody good about the medical profession anyway? They've foisted the entire citizenry of America into the sick-bed, shoving them into corners and categories of illness in their mindless pursuit of things to feel victimised about, and ramming new and ineffective drug treatments down their throats; all while they get more and more depressed at not achieving the idiotic and non-existent ideal of mental stability and wellbeing. And the profits of Big Pharma swell to obscene proportions!

Yay, go medicine!!

[BigBoss]

No, actually, most of the medical advances that are now made are a consequence of technological advances and the improvement in medical techniques that come along with. For example, where for nearly all heart conditions it was either risk the condition or have your chest opened up, but now many of these surgeries can done simply by inserting a catheter in your groin. Not only that, but it was technological innovations such as the microscope that have been responsible for many important medical discoveries. Moreover, it is only by improving on these tools, and enhancing the limits of the human senses further, that we continue to make new discoveries and improvements.

I don't know why you're bringing up the iPhone and tv as the two are irrelevant - these are simply popular consumer products, and they clearly carry a great deal of subjective value, otherwise everyone wouldn't be buying them.

Advanced cancer treatments and all other kinds of things aren't the result of merely increased medical knowledge, but of technological innovation. Your neglecting of the value of technology is ignorant.

What's so bloody good about the medical profession anyway? They've foisted the entire citizenry of America into the sick-bed, shoving them into corners and categories of illness in their mindless pursuit of things to feel victimised about, and ramming new and ineffective drug treatments down their throats; all while they get more and more depressed at not achieving the idiotic and non-existent ideal of mental stability and wellbeing. And the profits of Big Pharma swell to obscene proportions!

Yay, go medicine!!


Nice try and no shit. And without the microscope we wouldn't have been able to discover DNA's structure, and without knowing DNA"s genetic structure we wouldn't be able to study disease on a molecular level, etc etc. No one is denying the science/technology relationship. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that medicine as a discipline is more advanced then space exploration/physics/astronomy. As a measuring stick the pinnacle of medicine is prolonging life while the pinnacle of space travel are manned missions. We've extended life from 50 years to 80 years in just the last 100 years and eradicated so many diseases i.e. polio. On the other hand, we're in the infant stage of space exploration. We've only managed to get to the moon.

http://swanscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/The-Scale-of-the-Universe.jpg

All those stars have different solar systems. So we put a machine on Mars? So what. We haven't done shit yet or even close to understanding the laws of the universe.

The iPhone/tv example is to dispel the myth that we are advanced. We are not advanced. The greatest technical advancements of the last 100 years are mass production, the automobile, nuclear bomb ( changed modern warfare), and the telegraph (precursor to radio, TV, telephone, internet). All the other fancy shit hasn't really revolutionized the world.

We aren't close to populating on other planets and harnessing it's energy as we were 500 years ago when Galileo located Jupiter with a telescope. Thats a fact.

Do we have the capacity to accomplish it? Absolutely. Are we close, as in within the next few hundred years? Not even REMOTELY. My position addresses OP's statement. You and Iramble24/7 don't seem to understand the point of this thread. It's not a philosophical question, it's a YES OR NO question.

I'll let you two puzzies regroup and reply. Negged for breathing oxygen and existing.

[IamRAMBO24]

Do we have the capacity to accomplish it? Absolutely. Are we close, as in within the next few hundred years? Not even REMOTELY.

You cannot predict the technological advances nor the future itself, therefore you cannot use the knowledge and technology we have today to make an assumption about the future in a hundred years.

Your logic is flawed.

[IamRAMBO24]

Your neglecting of the value of technology is ignorant.


:applause:

[cuad]

dafuq r u talking about? overpopulation has always been a problem.

[NZStreetBaller]

dafuq r u talking about? overpopulation has always been a problem.

its not a problem. how the fuq is population a problem??

[chips93]

The first people to live on Mars will be going in 2024. It is already decided and scientists are making preparations as we speak. There is no if. Its going to happen.

link? :lol

[sweggeh]

link? :lol

Search Mars One in google.

[Bandito]

Bigboss is having a melt down in this thread. :oldlol:

Dude sent me a message:

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

****ing idiot. Whats 1+1?

Negged me on his fake account, and then negged me again on his current red bar one which can't even neg. Haha what a loser. Is this idiot hands down the most emotionally insecure fakkit in this forum?
Pay rent :lol

[Dresta]

Nice try and no shit. And without the microscope we wouldn't have been able to discover DNA's structure, and without knowing DNA"s genetic structure we wouldn't be able to study disease on a molecular level, etc etc. No one is denying the science/technology relationship. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that medicine as a discipline is more advanced then space exploration/physics/astronomy. As a measuring stick the pinnacle of medicine is prolonging life while the pinnacle of space travel are manned missions. We've extended life from 50 years to 80 years in just the last 100 years and eradicated so many diseases i.e. polio. On the other hand, we're in the infant stage of space exploration. We've only managed to get to the moon.

The iPhone/tv example is to dispel the myth that we are advanced. We are not advanced. The greatest technical advancements of the last 100 years are mass production, the automobile, nuclear bomb ( changed modern warfare), and the telegraph (precursor to radio, TV, telephone, internet). All the other fancy shit hasn't really revolutionized the world.

Do we have the capacity to accomplish it? Absolutely. Are we close, as in within the next few hundred years? Not even REMOTELY. My position addresses OP's statement. You and Iramble24/7 don't seem to understand the point of this thread. It's not a philosophical question, it's a YES OR NO question.
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Technology hasn't revolutionised the world? You try keeping the current United States together without the telegraph or air/train travel. You really don't understand very much if you don't think the world has been revolutionised by technology over the past 150 years. Technology is revolutionising the world as we speak, as there is a clear trend towards the decentralisation of the means of production, which would actually solve may of the problems of mass production frequently complained about as diseases of capitalism. Well, capitalism's value is in its dynamism, its ability to utilise human individuality to develop new methods to solve old problems. It always has managed this, and there's always been imbeciles claiming that the wall has been reaches, much like you have been doing in this thread. They all have been made look stupid by the changes that followed after their deaths.

Perhaps one of the most dramatic changes in the industrial process is being cultivated in 3d printing, and this could again revolutionise the world. Moreover, this is a clear trend, that has been spreading for some time, and is clearly where progress in the future will come from. In the meantime it meet strong institutional resistance from established producers who will attempt to use the government to protect their obsolescent methods and inefficiency (e.g. peer-to-peer sharing, taxi companies lobby to ban ridesharing services, Minnesota has banned online education programs, and so on - there will be lots of examples).

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-next-industrial-revolution-is-here-3d-printing-2014-8

I don't know why you're talking about Mars and all this other crap, as i never mentioned any of it, just pointed out your blatant disregard of the value of technology, and ironically, how much it has determined the world you live in, your wants and desires, your likes and dislikes. I tend not to make outlandish predictions about the distant future as there is really no way to know or even to surmise what the world will be like in 100+ years. Though what can be said for sure is that we are closer to populating other planets than 500 years ago - what is this idiocy? Space travel isn't closer than looking through a telescope?

Also, your point, which i apparently missed, is pointless, arbitrary and idiotic: how can you compare medicine with astronomy or physics as disciplines? You can't, they are completely different, and cannot be relativised in such a way. A discovery in one cannot be compared and contrasted to the discoveries of another, as they are completely different things. Furthermore, medicine is purely an exercise in pragmatism, and is dependent on knowledge and understanding of other fields, which in themselves didn't extend life or provide tangible benefits, but were nevertheless essential pieces of knowledge.

I thought the comparing apples & oranges saying was an everyday platitude known by more or less everyone, but you seem to have missed it. Oh, and no, it isn't a simple yes or no answer, but of course a simpleton such as yourself would see things so simply.