Sixers Fans: Who should we take in the draft?

[hateraid]

Pretty confident we'll get a top 3 pick (I know, tank, yada yada yada)
If so who to get considering what we are currently building with

Do we take Okafor or Towns having already Noel and Embiid?

Or do we go for Mudiay who seems to be a great fit and a legit wing scorer?

Or possibly Stanley Johnson who may be the best 2-way perimeter player in this draft and a physical specimen?

Thoughts?

I think if it's there Mudiay, then Stanley Johnson. With Johnson we'll have a shut down at every position. Mudiay seems like the best fit though and can be the next coming of Iverson in terms of Superstar marketability

[chocolatethunder]

Pretty confident we'll get a top 3 pick (I know, tank, yada yada yada)
If so who to get considering what we are currently building with

Do we take Okafor or Towns having already Noel and Embiid?

Or do we go for Mudiay who seems to be a great fit and a legit wing scorer?

Or possibly Stanley Johnson who may be the best 2-way perimeter player in this draft and a physical specimen?

Thoughts?

I think if it's there Mudiay, then Stanley Johnson. With Johnson we'll have a shut down at every position. Mudiay seems like the best fit though and can be the next coming of Iverson in terms of Superstar marketability
I want Johnson but i don't think that they'll take him. I'm not in love with Mudiay and I don't think that they'll take him. If they have the number one they will take Okafor (towns if they pick second) and trade Noel I suspect if Embiid is healthy. That's my guess. Then I assume in the following draft they will take a shooter.

Edit: It's really hard to tell but I think that they will go big because Hinkie is like Morey in that he wants to acquire assets and bigs are the hardest things to come by. That's not what I want to do but that's what I suspect that they'll do.

[Carbine]

Stanley Johnson.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

another injured player or a euro scrub.

who cares? go in freaking Dleague for all i care

[SwishSquared]

I want Johnson but i don't think that they'll take him. I'm not in love with Mudiay and I don't think that they'll take him. If they have the number one they will take Okafor (towns if they pick second) and trade Noel I suspect if Embiid is healthy. That's my guess. Then I assume in the following draft they will take a shooter.

Edit: It's really hard to tell but I think that they will go big because Hinkie is like Morey in that he wants to acquire assets and bigs are the hardest things to come by. That's not what I want to do but that's what I suspect that they'll do.
They do also have that MIA pick likely coming their way, so I'm interested to see what exactly they'll do with that. Whether that means taking a shooter then, packaging it with asset(s) to move up in the draft, or trade a current piece for another pick. Hinkie's plan is always interesting, but I wonder if teams will low-ball him in trades.

I feel if you guys can't get Okafor or Towns but can trade MCW for a top 15 pick, you'll take Mudiay. I'm not sure why but I feel MCW will get traded at some point. Maybe to Indy at season's end, assuming they miss the playoffs (only b/c they need a PG upgrade).

[hateraid]

I want Johnson but i don't think that they'll take him. I'm not in love with Mudiay and I don't think that they'll take him. If they have the number one they will take Okafor (towns if they pick second) and trade Noel I suspect if Embiid is healthy. That's my guess. Then I assume in the following draft they will take a shooter.

Edit: It's really hard to tell but I think that they will go big because Hinkie is like Morey in that he wants to acquire assets and bigs are the hardest things to come by. That's not what I want to do but that's what I suspect that they'll do.
I suspect that. It's always taking the best asset as opposed to the best fit. I just don't see anybody jumping at the chance to take Noel at the moment and I'd hate to see a player such as Mudiay be a missed opportunity. Okafor and Towns just don't do it for me. Okafor is being knocked for his lack of defense. May be the next Eddy Curry. Towns from what i've seen looks like a tall street baller :lol

[chocolatethunder]

They do also have that MIA pick likely coming their way, so I'm interested to see what exactly they'll do with that. Whether that means taking a shooter then, packaging it with asset(s) to move up in the draft, or trade a current piece for another pick. Hinkie's plan is always interesting, but I wonder if teams will low-ball him in trades.

I feel if you guys can't get Okafor or Towns but can trade MCW for a top 15 pick, you'll take Mudiay. I'm not sure why but I feel MCW will get traded at some point. Maybe to Indy at season's end, assuming they miss the playoffs (only b/c they need a PG upgrade).
couple of things. The Miami pick is top 10 protected but they won't have to worry about that.

Hinkie won't take low ball offers so that doesn't really matter. If he can't get what he wants then he won't make the deal.

I don't see them taking Mudiay because I don't see him as a player that they would want in their system ( in spite of whatever that may be right now).

And no I don't think that they would trade MCW to Indy because they would want a lottery pick plus other picks/young talent and Indy doesn't have those. In addition, Hinkie is not looking for any vets with existing contracts so he's not gonna do stuff like that yet. Not saying they wouldn't trade MCW, the will trade anyone for the right deal but I don't see them trading him and certainly not to Indiana.

[chocolatethunder]

I suspect that. It's always taking the best asset as opposed to the best fit. I just don't see anybody jumping at the chance to take Noel at the moment and I'd hate to see a player such as Mudiay be a missed opportunity. Okafor and Towns just don't do it for me. Okafor is being knocked for his lack of defense. May be the next Eddy Curry. Towns from what i've seen looks like a tall street baller :lol
I don't really like Mudiay tbh. I see him as a Westbrook kind of chucker and although Westbrook is totally awesome and exciting, you know damn well he chucks too much and the chances of winning a championship with him are slim. If Embiid gets healthy they will need a guard who will feed the post and Mudiay doesn't strike me as that type of player. I think that they are going in a different direction. Not that I don't think that Mudiay won't be exciting, he will be but I don't see them going for him. I'm not wild about Okafor or Towns either. I like Johnson but he's not a number one by a long shot and I don't think they take him anyway.

[christian1923]

Cliff Alexander

[Patrick Chewing]

Sixers should be contracted.

[Jailblazers7]

I really wanna see Stanley Johnson is a Sixers uni.

[Thorpesaurous]

Anyone in the top two is going to pretty much have to choose between Okafore and Towns. I know right now Okafore is the frontrunner, but I can envision Towns catching him. After that who knows.

But it is a problem that those two really don't fit. If it were me I'd take Towns and try to move Noel. But Noel may not yield what you want. Okafor definitely doesn't fit with Embiid. If Embiid yielded a real young shooting threat, I'd do that.

I like Mudiay more than most. But he's more of a combo guard than a PG. And while I think he can shoot it good enough to space some, I think he'd need the ball too much to play next to MCW. Johnson is a much purer wing. I'm a little worried about his upside though if you're picking 3. If they're picking three they'd almost be better off moving back. Hell I like the end of the first top of the second in this draft. Wayne Seldon and various other similar guys are hanging back there. Eventually these guys are gonna run outta roster spots though. And I don't know how much longer they're "plan" will hold up to the public if they find themselves trading down, or trading into next year's draft. They desperately need shooting. But they may be drafting too high to take it.

[chocolatethunder]

Anyone in the top two is going to pretty much have to choose between Okafore and Towns. I know right now Okafore is the frontrunner, but I can envision Towns catching him. After that who knows.

But it is a problem that those two really don't fit. If it were me I'd take Towns and try to move Noel. But Noel may not yield what you want. Okafor definitely doesn't fit with Embiid. If Embiid yielded a real young shooting threat, I'd do that.

I like Mudiay more than most. But he's more of a combo guard than a PG. And while I think he can shoot it good enough to space some, I think he'd need the ball too much to play next to MCW. Johnson is a much purer wing. I'm a little worried about his upside though if you're picking 3. If they're picking three they'd almost be better off moving back. Hell I like the end of the first top of the second in this draft. Wayne Seldon and various other similar guys are hanging back there. Eventually these guys are gonna run outta roster spots though. And I don't know how much longer they're "plan" will hold up to the public if they find themselves trading down, or trading into next year's draft. They desperately need shooting. But they may be drafting too high to take it.
I agree with all of that. They'd never take Johnson at 3 which sucks because I like him a lot. I don't like Mudiay much but I certainly don't see him as a fit here. I actually think that they could work Okafor and Embiid because Embiid can play high post. That's not ideal and that's not what I want, so don't misunderstand that . I think that they'll take a big and move Noel. However, do not underestimate Hinkie to pull some deal out of his ass like the Noel/Holiday deal. Expect the unexpected with Hinkie. Always.

[Jailblazers7]

I'd really like to see D'Angelo Russell get picked by the Sixers. Really good feel for the game, good physical attributes (needs to add weight on his frame), and he has a good stroke. Maybe they can grab him in the 11-16 range if the Heat pick lands in that range.

[SwishSquared]

couple of things. The Miami pick is top 10 protected but they won't have to worry about that.

Hinkie won't take low ball offers so that doesn't really matter. If he can't get what he wants then he won't make the deal.

I don't see them taking Mudiay because I don't see him as a player that they would want in their system ( in spite of whatever that may be right now).

And no I don't think that they would trade MCW to Indy because they would want a lottery pick plus other picks/young talent and Indy doesn't have those. In addition, Hinkie is not looking for any vets with existing contracts so he's not gonna do stuff like that yet. Not saying they wouldn't trade MCW, the will trade anyone for the right deal but I don't see them trading him and certainly not to Indiana.
The MIA pick will convey as long as Wade plays 60 games and Bosh keeps producing at the same level, so it's pretty safe to assume you'll get it (16-19 range seems most likely range imo). I'm pretty sure that for next 2 years Philly's own 2nd rounder goes to Boston, so this mid-first round pick is actually a useful asset for this squad. That's why I brought it up.

I brought up Mudiay in a scenario where Philly doesn't have a shot at either Okafor or Towns due to draft position. Most guys have Mudiay as the clear #3 so far. I haven't been able to watch his game film while he's been in China, but going into the year scouts were saying he's shown nice vision and ability reading defenses (perhaps he's more adept at this than MCW, but I don't think we know his real value since he's obviously got a dumpster fire for teammates).

He may turn out to be a chucker, but Brown has got the chops to lead him down the right path, provided there's enough talent on the squad.

Chad Ford's Big Board 3.0 had Oubre at like 11 (I believe he'll rise but pretend a wing guy slips to around that slot in the draft that Hinkie likes). I wouldn't be shocked if Hinkie flipped MCW for a potential stud wing (if he took Mudiay at #3) + filler. My scenario has a bunch of what-ifs, so it takes a lot of qualifiers lol. I could see Indy actually trading for a PG and Bird's recent track record with trades is why I brought them up.

I may be wrong but Stanley Johnson's shooting #s are really low this year right(might be confusing him with somebody else)? Small sample size but something to watch for. If Philly gets a top 2 pick, I see them taking Towns, hope Embiid is healthy, and shop Noel for the right price. Towns + healthy Embiid would be sick to watch for years to come.

EDIT: Believe I mixed up Johnson with someone else

[imdaman99]

I hope they get the 4th pick. Enough tanking already.

[chocolatethunder]

The MIA pick will convey as long as Wade plays 60 games and Bosh keeps producing at the same level, so it's pretty safe to assume you'll get it (16-19 range seems most likely range imo). I'm pretty sure that for next 2 years Philly's own 2nd rounder goes to Boston, so this mid-first round pick is actually a useful asset for this squad. That's why I brought it up.

I brought up Mudiay in a scenario where Philly doesn't have a shot at either Okafor or Towns due to draft position. Most guys have Mudiay as the clear #3 so far. I haven't been able to watch his game film while he's been in China, but going into the year scouts were saying he's shown nice vision and ability reading defenses (perhaps he's more adept at this than MCW, but I don't think we know his real value since he's obviously got a dumpster fire for teammates).

He may turn out to be a chucker, but Brown has got the chops to lead him down the right path, provided there's enough talent on the squad.

Chad Ford's Big Board 3.0 had Oubre at like 11 (I believe he'll rise but pretend a wing guy slips to around that slot in the draft that Hinkie likes). I wouldn't be shocked if Hinkie flipped MCW for a potential stud wing (if he took Mudiay at #3) + filler. My scenario has a bunch of what-ifs, so it takes a lot of qualifiers lol. I could see Indy actually trading for a PG and Bird's recent track record with trades is why I brought them up.

I may be wrong but Stanley Johnson's shooting #s are really low this year right(might be confusing him with somebody else)? Small sample size but something to watch for. If Philly gets a top 2 pick, I see them taking Towns, hope Embiid is healthy, and shop Noel for the right price. Towns + healthy Embiid would be sick to watch for years to come.

EDIT: Believe I mixed up Johnson with someone else
Yeah, I don't think that I made myself clear about the Miami pick. I was just saying yes they get that pick and it's top 10 protected but Miami will finish outside of the lottery. I suspect your prediction on where they will finish is correct.

I wanna be honest, Mudiay doesn't strike me as someone who Brown or anyone can steer down the right path. I don't mean that he won't be a great player, I just mean that I don't see him as being particularly disciplined just more like Westbrook or that kind of guard. Really a combo guard not a PG type player. I don't want you to think that's bad because that's not really what I mean. It's just kind of the new school way to play, I'm just not sure that they would want the headache of living and dying with that/ Yes I agree that he's on everyone's top three and he's the logical choice there although you never know with Hinkie.

Johnson is a great two way player which is why I'm interested in him. He was player of the week this past week but I don't have much time to catch NCAA games so I've not seen a ton of anyone yet this season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hinkie did anything. He's willing to trade anyone to get better at any time. He just has pretty much said that he won't take on contracts and that he's not looking to sign any free agents. So depending on which pick the Sixers get and who else falls wherever they fall, the Sixers could do something crazy or something predictable.

In all honesty I feel the same way I felt last season. Expect the unexpected and I'll trust whatever they do. Anything is better than a perpetual 8 seed. So for now I'm happy to watch them lose and excited and curious to see what the next offseason brings. I'm not attached to any player so I don't give a damn who gets traded or drafted. I figure if they draft Mudiay that they know better than me. That's what makes me unlike most posters on this board. I figure my favorite team's coach and front office actually know more than I do.

[3peated]

what if the sixers win out in a space jam type of turn around

[hateraid]

I don't know why the resistance to get Mudiay? As you said CT it's the new age NBA and the league caters to his style of play. For me it's like the draft Gods are saying to us, "Our bad for dealing you Turner, we'll give you John Wall PT2"

Again, I don't think Noel has shown much value for us to get an immediate return. But I do believe with Embiid healthy they will provide the right combo of defense+offense. I do like Stanley Johnson alot for the fact he likes ready to battle and can be a defensive monster, but Mudiay would be a huge missed opportunity if he wasn't drafted top 3. I'd be more upset drafting Okafor over Johnson.

[dunksby]

The subsequent question should be if they become competitive after this season with another top pick? How would you build a solid team that is not embarrassingly bad next year?

[SwishSquared]

The subsequent question should be if they become competitive after this season with another top pick? How would you build a solid team that is not embarrassingly bad next year?
They should have some talent infusion with the top 4 pick this year and that MIA pick that should be in the 16-19 range. Who knows what sort of trades they make to gain more picks via salary dump trades or w/e.

Having a healthy Embiid should help too next season. Then the following year they should get Daric, so they'll keep adding top level talent to improve the roster every summer. I'm not sure if any of their other international prospects will come over, but those guys could be rotation pieces.

They likely won't make the playoffs for 2 more years (or longer) but this is a team that is filling holes with lotto picks, so they're bound to have a couple keepers.

[GOBB]

If Sixers get #1 you got to take Okafor if he is still the BPA by this time. Then start talking trades. Not sure for who or what. Maybe trade down. I think someone will give up the butt for Okafor. I just think he will be one of those great college players, good NBA player types. His above the rim game is lacking. Him and Embiid is eh.

Not sure who I like in this draft class honestly. I see many Sixers scream S.Johnson tho. Need to keep watching him. Hasn't wow'd me. I like J.Winslow from Duke but I'm talking more of with Miami pick, no way with Sixers first pick which will be 1-4.

I do like Mudiay. He's not as explosive and athletic as say a Westbrook. Maybe a John Wall? Don't get me into projecting. I just dont see Westbrook as I initially did.

One thing we need to come away with having 2 first rd picks is a damn shooter.


Anyone in the top two is going to pretty much have to choose between Okafore and Towns. I know right now Okafore is the frontrunner, but I can envision Towns catching him. After that who knows.

But it is a problem that those two really don't fit. If it were me I'd take Towns and try to move Noel. But Noel may not yield what you want. Okafor definitely doesn't fit with Embiid. If Embiid yielded a real young shooting threat, I'd do that.

I like Mudiay more than most. But he's more of a combo guard than a PG. And while I think he can shoot it good enough to space some, I think he'd need the ball too much to play next to MCW. Johnson is a much purer wing. I'm a little worried about his upside though if you're picking 3. If they're picking three they'd almost be better off moving back. Hell I like the end of the first top of the second in this draft. Wayne Seldon and various other similar guys are hanging back there. Eventually these guys are gonna run outta roster spots though. And I don't know how much longer they're "plan" will hold up to the public if they find themselves trading down, or trading into next year's draft. They desperately need shooting. But they may be drafting too high to take it.

My thoughts.

[GOBB]

Yeah I agree with CT, expect the unexpected with Hinkie.

[Phantom84]

Pretty simple, just take the best player in the draft.

[Euroleague]

Mudiay has absolutely terrible numbers in China. His draft place might fall a bit just like Brandon Jennings' did after he struggled in Euroleague.

At some point doubts will start to arise about him after he has been playing so bad there, same with how it did with Jennings. So that might drop his draft place a little. Jennings was picked 10th, and before he played in Euroleague, he was going top 1-3 on almost every mock.

[Dr.J4ever]

I would go with the best player available. If it's Okafor, then we will worry about how they all fit in the front court later. If a trade has to be made, then we trade.

Besides, I feel increasingly confident about our perimeter. MCW has been on a mini tear since Wrotten got injured. MCW is averaging a triple double the last 3 games or so. Free agency can address our lack of shooters later on.

The rest of the season will tell the tale. I expect Noel to round into form towards season end. I suspect we will be confident in the Noel, MCW, KJ nucleus headed to next season.

I'm just an optimist, I guess:cheers:

[chocolatethunder]

I don't know why the resistance to get Mudiay? As you said CT it's the new age NBA and the league caters to his style of play. For me it's like the draft Gods are saying to us, "Our bad for dealing you Turner, we'll give you John Wall PT2"

Again, I don't think Noel has shown much value for us to get an immediate return. But I do believe with Embiid healthy they will provide the right combo of defense+offense. I do like Stanley Johnson alot for the fact he likes ready to battle and can be a defensive monster, but Mudiay would be a huge missed opportunity if he wasn't drafted top 3. I'd be more upset drafting Okafor over Johnson.
I'm not sure that the league caters to guards who like to shoot a lot as much as it's just adjusting to kids with poor fundamentals and a me first attitude. I don't see Mudiay as a can't miss, I see him as a headache and one that I don't think that they'll take a chance on. Don't get me wrong, I WOULD LOVE TO BE WRONG. I don't see him as Wall part 2 though. I think Noel has shown exactly what I expected him to show and exactly what the Sixers expected from him. His ceiling is Theo Ratliff and that's a good thing to me. If anyone as expectations higher than that they are fooling themselves.

Oh just in case I wasn't clear, I don't think they'd take Johnson at 3 ever. They would probably take Mudiay because he'd be the best player available. I just like Johnson but I'm not advocating taking him at 3. Either way, I don't really care and trust whatever the hell it is they wanna do. I don't care if they trade their whole team. They have some kind of plan and I expect them to execute it. If they drafted Mudiay, it wouldn't be the end of the world and I trust that their front office knows a hell of a lot more about him than I do and if that's the pick they want then I support that and assume they think they can work with him. So I won't lose any sleep over it.

[Jailblazers7]

I see Mudaiy's ceiling more as a Devon Williams kind of guy but that maxed out. I'm totally sold on Okafor as a prospect but not as a fit at this point which I don't care about because Brett is a good catch and Noel can come off the bench for now if not a trade.

Not sold on Towns tho tbh. He doesn't move well which makes me uneasy and he hasn't shown me any significant skill area.

[hateraid]

I see Mudaiy's ceiling more as a Devon Williams kind of guy but that maxed out. I'm totally sold on Okafor as a prospect but not as a fit at this point which I don't care about because Brett is a good catch and Noel can come off the bench for now if not a trade.

Not sold on Towns tho tbh. He doesn't move well which makes me uneasy and he hasn't shown me any significant skill area.
The guy is being more compared to a John Wall type.
I hear he's injured right now. Might hurt draft stock. I'm not a fan of Okafor. I see more of an Eddy Curry type player. Regardless if we try and move Noel, I just don't think he'll translate well.
Just gonna keep an eye on Zona. Johnson may play himself into a number 1 pick. He's a proven winner and being touted for his defense.

[chocolatethunder]

The guy is being more compared to a John Wall type.
I hear he's injured right now. Might hurt draft stock. I'm not a fan of Okafor. I see more of an Eddy Curry type player. Regardless if we try and move Noel, I just don't think he'll translate well.
Just gonna keep an eye on Zona. Johnson may play himself into a number 1 pick. He's a proven winner and being touted for his defense.

Hateraid is def right. There aren't any similarities between Deron Williams and Mudiay. Williams is (well he was) a PG Mudiay is a new school PG more of a combo guard. I don't see a ton of Wall in him but I see a little. I think that Wall has more PG skills and Mudiay seems to be a better scorer but then again he's playing in China.

While I'm not in love with Okafor, I don't see him as Curry really though because although he may not be an excellent face up shooter, he definitely already has an array of moves that Curry didn't have at this age. It took a while for Curry to grow into a decent scorer. Okafor is far ahead of him. That being said, Okafor isn't athletic and isn't a great rebounder but as far as bigs with really sound moves, I can't think of one recently that was as well rounded as he is at this age. But being big and having moves can get you pretty far. Duncan was never lightning fast but his offensive skills are about as good as you can get. He of course is a much better rebounder and defender than Okafor but he's not super athletic and never has been.

I love Johnson but I don't think that the Sixers would take him with a top pick. If that's who they wanted they would take him and then concoct some insane trade and hold whoever wanted Okafor hostage while they got Johnson. This is Hinkie we're talking about not David Kahn thankfully.:cheers:

[hateraid]

Hateraid is def right. There aren't any similarities between Deron Williams and Mudiay. Williams is (well he was) a PG Mudiay is a new school PG more of a combo guard. I don't see a ton of Wall in him but I see a little. I think that Wall has more PG skills and Mudiay seems to be a better scorer but then again he's playing in China.

While I'm not in love with Okafor, I don't see him as Curry really though because although he may not be an excellent face up shooter, he definitely already has an array of moves that Curry didn't have at this age. It took a while for Curry to grow into a decent scorer. Okafor is far ahead of him. That being said, Okafor isn't athletic and isn't a great rebounder but as far as bigs with really sound moves, I can't think of one recently that was as well rounded as he is at this age. But being big and having moves can get you pretty far. Duncan was never lightning fast but his offensive skills are about as good as you can get. He of course is a much better rebounder and defender than Okafor but he's not super athletic and never has been.

I love Johnson but I don't think that the Sixers would take him with a top pick. If that's who they wanted they would take him and then concoct some insane trade and hold whoever wanted Okafor hostage while they got Johnson. This is Hinkie we're talking about not David Kahn thankfully.:cheers:

In order for all that to happen is Noel has to play out of his mind in order to get his value up. Because right now all people are seeing is bad hands, bad positioning, and a really tall, but limited offensively small forward.
For this to really go down he'll have to package up MCW, then you're on the Wroten bandwagon with me :lol

[chocolatethunder]

In order for all that to happen is Noel has to play out of his mind in order to get his value up. Because right now all people are seeing is bad hands, bad positioning, and a really tall, but limited offensively small forward.
For this to really go down he'll have to package up MCW, then you're on the Wroten bandwagon with me :lol
hahaha sorry, you know that aint gonna happen hahaha but I like your style:cheers:

[Adam Silver]

Don't expect me to do you any favors, Sixers fans.

[Jailblazers7]

Not saying Mudaiy is similar to DWill in his game but more about his impact. Big scoring PG who can get you 7 assists a game or so if he maxed out. He isn't the passes that DWill was but he's also got better physical tools.

Not sure exactly about a player comparison tho. More like a Rose or Westbrook type of guy but I still don't like that comparison.

[chocolatethunder]

Not saying Mudaiy is similar to DWill in his game but more about his impact. Big scoring PG who can get you 7 assists a game or so if he maxed out. He isn't the passes that DWill was but he's also got better physical tools.

Not sure exactly about a player comparison tho. More like a Rose or Westbrook type of guy but I still don't like that comparison.
But he is like Westbrook. I don't see his impact like Williams at all. And 7 assists from a ball dominator are a lot different from 7 assists from an actual PG. Like over dribbling then handing off to a guy who's three feet from you is different from a PG running a play and finding the open man who's cutting. Guys who are like that tend to stagnate an offense. But really who knows the dude has played like 10 games in China and now he's hurt so who really knows. As I said, if they take him I'll support that because I assume they know a lot more about him than I do.