GOAT longetivity

[Fire Colangelo]

Who has the GOAT longevity?

Miller
Elvin Hayes
Moses Malone
Kobe
Karl Malone
Kareem
Duncan
Garnett
Stockton
Kidd
Chief

Am I missing any other candidates?

Any potential candidates in the league you see joining this group?

[QuebecBaller]

The Chief Robert Parish --> 21 seasons

[Fire Colangelo]

The Chief Robert Parish --> 21 seasons

True.

[T_L_P]

Kareem
Malone
Duncan
Stockton
Parish

[j3lademaster]

Do they players actually have to be star level late into their careers for this list or is it solely based on how much of their prime ability they were able to retain late into their careers?

If it's the latter Kevin Willis should be on there. Dude was 40 with the body of a 25 year old(yes, homo). And he played for your team!

Also, Dennis Rodman. He was still athletic with an insane motor at 40(?) averaging like 15 boards for the Mavs.

[russwest0]

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Karl Malone
KAJ

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe
Kareem


The rest.

[ILLsmak]

The Chief Robert Parish --> 21 seasons

But he wasn't good at the end. He played a long time, but I dunno if he belongs in the convo with those other guys.

-Smak

[Fire Colangelo]

Kareem
Malone
Duncan
Stockton
Parish

Is that in order?


Do they players actually have to be star level late into their careers for this list or is it solely based on how much of their prime ability they were able to retain late into their careers?

If it's the latter Kevin Willis should be on there. Dude was 40 with the body of a 25 year old(yes, homo). And he played for your team!

Also, Dennis Rodman. He was still athletic with an insane motor at 40(?) averaging like 15 boards for the Mavs.

I was thinking more of star players when I made the thread, but I agree, Kevin Willis should be on there. I didn't think he was 36 years old when he was averaging 12/8 for us :bowdown:

Rodman only played a couple games that year if I could remember, and he played like 13-15 seasons in total?

[T_L_P]

Kobe Bryant
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Kevin Garnett
Kidd

Duncan at 21: 21/12/3/1/3

Garnett at 21: 19/10/4/2/2

Duncan at 33: 18/10/3/1/2

Garnett at 33: 14/7/3/1/1

Duncan at 36: 18/10/3/1/3

Garnett at 36: 15/8/2/1/1

Duncan at 38: 14/11/3/1/2

Garnett at 38: 7/9/2/1

Garnett from 33-37 in the Playoffs: 15/9/2/1

Duncan from 33-37 in the Playoffs: 17/10/2/2

Duncan came into the league and was better than Garnett. He was better every season until at least 02. And he's been much better the past few seasons too.

[chocolatethunder]

At 40 years old in 27m/pg Stockton averaged 10.8pts and 7.7 assists. He shot 48/36/82 and 1.7 steals. I would say that's pretty efficient for a 40 year old. He may not be the best of the lot but he's pretty good. He was too old to play good man D but he still was a good team defender. From age 35-40 his minutes and production remained the same essentially. That's pretty good.

[Fire Colangelo]

Duncan at 21: 21/12/3/1/3

Garnett at 21: 19/10/4/2/2

Duncan at 33: 18/10/3/1/2

Garnett at 33: 14/7/3/1/1

Duncan at 36: 18/10/3/1/3

Garnett at 36: 15/8/2/1/1

Duncan at 38: 14/11/3/1/2

Garnett at 38: 7/9/2/1

Garnett from 33-37 in the Playoffs: 15/9/2/1

Duncan from 33-37 in the Playoffs: 17/10/2/2

Duncan came into the league and was better than Garnett. He was better every season until at least 02. And he's been much better the past few seasons too.


If you go by seasons played, it becomes much closer imo.

For example, in their 14th season:

Duncan: 13/9/3
KG: 18/10/3

In their 18th season:

Duncan: 14/10/3
KG: 15/8/2

Duncan's yet to play a 19th season yet, so idk how his stats will be next year. But for now, they're prettttty close.

[T_L_P]

If you go by seasons played, it becomes much closer imo.

For example, in their 14th season:

Duncan: 13/9/3
KG: 18/10/3

In their 18th season:

Duncan: 14/10/3
KG: 15/8/2

Duncan's yet to play a 19th season yet, so idk how his stats will be next year. But for now, they're prettttty close.

But that's because he entered the league 3 seasons after Garnett did. Of course 18th year Duncan is close with 18th year KG: he was 3 years younger than Tim. :confusedshrug:

The only real talking point I see Garnett fans use with Tim is that during their best 4 or 5 years (basically around 02-07 for each), Garnett was better player (extremely close, I still go with Tim because of his superior offensive game and ability to perform better come Playoff time). 98-01 Tim was a lot more effective than Garnett was. 08 Garnett was much more effective than Tim. 09-12 is Tim but it's close. 13-current is Tim by a country mile. :confusedshrug:#

EDIT: though I do get your point. But even if you do it like that, Tim still probably comes out on top. Immortal just has phony agendas.

[Fire Colangelo]

But that's because he entered the league 3 seasons after Garnett did. Of course 18th year Duncan is close with 18th year KG: he was 3 years younger than Tim. :confusedshrug:

The only real talking point I see Garnett fans use with Tim is that during their best 4 or 5 years (basically around 02-07 for each), Garnett was better player (extremely close, I still go with Tim because of his superior offensive game and ability to perform better come Playoff time). 98-01 Tim was a lot more effective than Garnett was. 08 Garnett was much more effective than Tim. 09-12 is Tim but it's close. 13-current is Tim by a country mile. :confusedshrug:#

EDIT: though I do get your point. But even if you do it like that, Tim still probably comes out on top. Immortal just has phony agendas.

No doubt, I agree Duncan > KG, not trying to argue against that.

I'm just saying age isn't really fair either, since at the same age KG has played around 2 seasons more than TD, and has a lot more milage. Those two season might not matter too much in the beginning of their careers, but they matter a lot at the tailed of their careers.

[T_L_P]

No doubt, I agree Duncan > KG, not trying to argue against that.

I'm just saying age isn't really fair either, since at the same age KG has played around 2 seasons more than TD, and has a lot more milage. Those two season might not matter too much in the beginning of their careers, but they matter a lot at the tailed of their careers.

How many more minutes has Garnett played? As I remember it was around 1500. Tim did played 4 years in college though, and the Playoff games take a lot more out of you (I think he has twice as many as KG).

No doubt KG has more mileage. I just don't think his body held up well enough. He was breaking down in 2009, tbh. Tim was too at one point (2010 was a low point in terms of physical shape), but he did some Nash type ish where he got and stayed in phenomenal shape.

It is kinda sad seeing Garnett lately. He didn't play last night so we're never gonna see him and Tim suit up against each other again. I really hope the Nets make the Playoffs so he can at least go out on a positive note.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Kobe
Karl Malone
Kareem
Duncan
Garnett
Stockton
Kidd
Chief


Those are some of the main candidates, yea. I would also add dudes like Moses Malone, Reggie Miller, even Elvin Hayes...

Number 1? I would probably say Kareem... I mean, he was still doing things like "putting up" one of the GOAT Finals performances at 38 years old, amongst many other "things"...

[Fire Colangelo]

How many more minutes has Garnett played? As I remember it was around 1500. Tim did played 4 years in college though, and the Playoff games take a lot more out of you (I think he has twice as many as KG).

No doubt KG has more mileage. I just don't think his body held up well enough. He was breaking down in 2009, tbh. Tim was too at one point (2010 was a low point in terms of physical shape), but he did some Nash type ish where he got and stayed in phenomenal shape.

It is kinda sad seeing Garnett lately. He didn't play last night so we're never gonna see him and Tim suit up against each other again. I really hope the Nets make the Playoffs so he can at least go out on a positive note.

KG has exactly 122 regular seasons ahead of TD and played 5138 more minutes in the regular season.

Duncan does have 91 more playoff games played and a total of 3619 more playoff minutes than KG.

So KG played a total of 1519 more minutes and 31 games more than TD.

Not as many games as I originally thought :cheers: so I guess this does put TD ahead of KG at least on my longevity list.

[Fire Colangelo]

Those are some of the main candidates, yea. I would also add dudes like Moses Malone, Reggie Miller, even Elvin Hayes...

Number 1? I would probably say Kareem... I mean, he was still doing things like "putting up" one of the GOAT Finals performances at 38 years old, amongst many other "things"...

Miller is a good candidate, I thought about Moses but I feel like he fell off pretty hard after 92 I think? But then again, he did have around 16-17 season under his belt by 92 so I'll add him in as well.

Hayes is a beast as well, playing no less than 80 games a season in his whole NBA career. Definitely belongs in the list.

[raiderfan19]

Ray Allen deserves a mention. So does dirk nowitzki. Dirk is still incredibly effective even though he's not what he used to be. He'll be 12th or so all time in games played at the end of next year depending on how many rest games he gets

[Cold soul]

In no order:

Kobe
Duncan
Kareem
Malone
Stockton
Kidd

[ImKobe]

Is Shaq a candidate?

At 36 years old(17th season): 17.8 ppg 8.4 rpg 1.4 bpg 60,9%FG (led the league), 30 mpg, all-star, 22.3 PER

[Anaximandro1]

Kareem with his unstoppable skyhook.

he won five titles in his thirties and early forties.

Kareem scored more points (1863 pt) than Magic Johnson (1738 pt) during their championship runs.

oldest player in history to win the FMVP (1985, at age 38), and perennial rim protector of the Showtime Lakers.


Kareem played 66,297 minutes (regular season plus playoffs), won six NBA titles, six MVP and two FMVP

[kenny817]

Ummmm...

No one has said Dirk yet?

The disrespect smh

[Dragic4Life]

Lebron in 5 years would be the undisputed answer for this topic.

[pastis]

dirk:bowdown: :bowdown:

[pudman13]

Who has the GOAT longevity?

Miller
Elvin Hayes
Moses Malone
Kobe
Karl Malone
Kareem
Duncan
Garnett
Stockton
Kidd
Chief

Am I missing any other candidates?



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