GSW owner: Mark Jackson refused to hire good assistants, didn't know X's and O's, and

[Smook A.]

...and was disliked by all, he says. Ouch.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_27078013/warriors-co-owner-lacob-lists-reasons-firing-mark

Mama, there goes that man!

[Proctor]

Well, it's simple really: would you rather have great basketball minds like Ron Adams and Alvin Gentry by your side or boneheads like Brian Scalabrine and Darren Erman? Jackson chose the latter.

[Pushxx]

Brian Scalabrine got alienated by the Jackson camp. He was a good assistant actually. He knows basketball.

[ArbitraryWater]

Everyone could see he doesn't know shit..

Probably told his guys stuff like "mama, there went that man.. cant do nothin bout that"

[Batz]

Well, it's simple really: would you rather have great basketball minds like Ron Adams and Alvin Gentry by your side or boneheads like Brian Scalabrine and Darren Erman? Jackson chose the latter.
Pretty much. The Jackson experiment was a head scratcher to start. Yeah he may have been a good motivator, but so little things done right in a sea of wrongs, sprinkled with the occasional, "heh?"

In the end, GSW should have no regrets here. They have a stellar deep roster with a coaching staff to match. Kerr is a heck of a surprise. Their best season start, and a fun one at that.

[ak47buffalo]

Tend to agree with him. Jackson served an important role for the warriors, and pushed them to a competitive level because I think he was a good player manager in many ways. He was however, a bad coach that likely wouldn't have gotten the warriors a championship. I think it was a good move to hire Kerr.

[MiseryCityTexas]

The replys in this thread are bullshit, because everyone was singing Mark Jackson's praises last year when he was the head coach. "He's a bad coach" rarely ever came out of people's mouths last season. I even remember people in this forum even being mad after Jackson was let go.

[1987_Lakers]

Any die hard fan could see Mark Jackson wasn't a good coach, he was carried by the talent he had.

Look how the Warriors look like with a smart coach like Kerr, there is more ball movement on offense and actual game planning.

[BigBoss]

I never sense any real intellect when Mark Jackson commentates NBA games.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Any die hard fan could see Mark Jackson wasn't a good coach, he was carried by the talent he had.

Look how the Warriors look like with a smart coach like Kerr, there is more ball movement on offense and actual game planning.


Yeah you right, but people in this thread weren't nearly hating on Jackson's coaching skills then the way they are hating on him now.

[1987_Lakers]

Jackson won't lost long as a coach. He will be back with Breen & Van Gundy in 2 years.

Me the day Jackson was hired as GS coach, it was actually 3 years though.:lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225642

[SamuraiSWISH]

How long was Mark Jackson even their coach? I saw it coming, he never did seem like an X's and O's guy. The personality clash with EVERYONE in the organization is a surprise though however.

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah you right, but people in this thread weren't nearly hating on Jackson's coaching skills then the way they are hating on him now.

A reason for that is because people see how well Golden State is playing under Steve Kerr at the moment. If Golden State was around .500 at the moment people here would be saying that firing Jackson was one of the worst moves this organization has ever made.

I remember after back to back loses earlier this year some posters for a moment were saying hiring Kerr was a mistake. People are just prisoners of the moment/sheeple.

[hawksdogsbraves]

It's hard to say Jackson did a bad job, but he certainly didn't have the Warriors humming like they are now.

[coin24]

Hand down, man down

[MiseryCityTexas]

Me the day Jackson was hired as GS coach, it was actually 3 years though.:lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225642


Damn you a beast when it comes to basketball smarts.

[Heavincent]

I remember Mark Jackson saying he doesn't believe in film study, or something to that effect. That probably pissed off Lacob too...Jackson fires and demotes assistants like he's the big boss, and then basically admits he's not fully committed? That shit's not gonna fly.

He's a decent coach and he helped turn the franchise around, but Lacob wanted somebody better than decent to coach such a talented team. The start of this season proves that Jackson wasn't maximizing the full potential of this team.

[Magic731]

I remember Mark Jackson saying he doesn't believe in film study, or something to that effect. That probably pissed off Lacob too...Jackson fires and demotes assistants like he's the big boss, and then basically admits he's not fully committed? That shit's not gonna fly.

He's a decent coach and he helped turn the franchise around, but Lacob wanted somebody better than decent to coach such a talented team. The start of this season proves that Jackson wasn't maximizing the full potential of this team.
How does him not believing in film study make him not fully committed? Whether he was right or wrong about his belief is irrelevant but if he really thought time was better focused elsewhere he is still committed to the cause.

[MavsSuperFan]

It's hard to say Jackson did a bad job, but he certainly didn't have the Warriors humming like they are now.
It all worked out Jackson is a lot more entertaining broadcaster than kerr

and kerr seems like the better coach

[RoseCity07]

I know it seems crazy to say at a time like this but I don't think Steve Kerr is anything special as a coach. I just think it shows that the Warriors had a bad coach and anyone would have gotten more out of this team.

[DamnMixes]

Mark Jackson reminds me of that preacher from internet jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5soxT-Vu48


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsWskgKe5E


The devil is a muthafukkin liar, so you know I aint worried, BEOOOOTCH!

GSW are nothing but a devil worshippers by getting rid of his ass http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img10/5712/k6go.png

[chocolatethunder]

I know it seems crazy to say at a time like this but I don't think Steve Kerr is anything special as a coach. I just think it shows that the Warriors had a bad coach and anyone would have gotten more out of this team.
I understand why you'd say that but if you listen what Kerrs says it seems hard to agree with you. He's not stupid or arrogant enough to think that he had to change anything. In fact, he wanted to kind of keep in place (certainly defensively) what was in place and build on it. He saw obvious ways offensively to maximize their talent (like Boguts passing) and implemented those things and more. He assembled an excellent staff as well. All of that stuff is an important part of coaching. It's not just X's and O's it's being aware of everything. Hiring staff is so important. Also, being able to come in and allay they players' fears about the ultimate player's coach being fired is really difficult. So I would say the opposite. I would say that he was faced with a very difficult task and performed really well and I'm not sure if a lot of coaches who had never coached could do that let alone coaches who had. The changes that they made offensively may have seemed small but they've paid tremendous dividends. So no, to me he's done en excellent job.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The GM for Golden State, Rick Welts, is gay. Mark Jackson is anti-gay marriage for religious reasons. I doubt Jackson was constantly spouting bigotry but that relationship cannot possibly have been comfortable. It's quite likely that it led to Jackson's firing, not some random epiphany that the team would be much better with a head coach that had actually never been a coach before. And to me, that could be a good reason to pick one guy over another but that's not what the owner is saying here. We know that, for whatever reason, Jackson didn't like Scal. But how do we know whether or not Scal was a good assistant? It's hard enough for us to tell who the good assistants are when they have a long history, Scal was in what, his first assistant job? We just don't know about him either way. But we do know that we had a gay GM dealing with a coach that opposed a key issue for all gay people.

There is no fault to be found with how the Warriors developed under Jackson. People are making a big deal about how the Warriors have the top defense but under Jackson they were #4. With Bogut being healthy in Kerr's brief tenure, a luxury Jackson didn't enjoy, going from 4 (which is already excellent) to 1 isn't such an amazing leap.

Kerr has so far done a fine job. But it's premature to declare a massive improvement in coaching just because there has been some improvement over 19 games. If Bogut gets hurt like he was under Jackson that improvement could easily disappear.

[Heavincent]

Kerr has so far done a fine job. But it's premature to declare a massive improvement in coaching just because there has been some improvement over 19 games. If Bogut gets hurt like he was under Jackson that improvement could easily disappear.

Watch the Warriors and you will notice a massive improvement. Their ugly iso based offense has been replaced by a beautiful motion offense that utilizes all of the great passers they have.

[russwest0]

Mark Jackson reminds me of Scott Brooks.

Gets guys to play hard and thats about all he's good for. A total moron otherwise.

At least Brooks is better at not pissing everyone around him off.

[Heavincent]

Mark Jackson reminds me of Scott Brooks.

Gets guys to play hard and thats about all he's good for. A total moron otherwise.

At least Brooks is better at not pissing everyone around him off.

Not a bad comparison, although Mark Jackson's minutes distribution was probably better and he wasn't obsessed with old washed up vets like Brooks is. But yeah, they're pretty similar. They're good motivators and get their guys to play sound fundamental defense, but they're completely inept when it comes to designing offense.

The Warriors had a bunch of great passers on their team (Curry, Iggy, Green, Bogut, Lee), yet Jackson thought it would be better to play iso ball. That's why Barnes struggled last year. Jackson had him going 1 on 1 in the post, which is not his game at all.

[Akrazotile]

It all worked out Jackson is a lot more entertaining broadcaster than kerr

and kerr seems like the better coach


:facepalm

[russwest0]

Not a bad comparison, although Mark Jackson's minutes distribution was probably better and he wasn't obsessed with old washed up vets like Brooks is. But yeah, they're pretty similar. They're good motivators and get their guys to play sound fundamental defense, but they're completely inept when it comes to designing offense.

The Warriors had a bunch of great passers on their team (Curry, Iggy, Green, Bogut, Lee), yet Jackson thought it would be better to play iso ball. That's why Barnes struggled last year. Jackson had him going 1 on 1 in the post, which is not his game at all.

What pisses me off about Brooks is how he tries to justify his poor coaching with cliches and shit.

He's been asked about maybe implementing a zone defense... for the past 4 years... and he'll always just say some shit like "we need to become better individual defenders first." And the same goes for every decision he makes that is stupid and gets criticized. He always justifies it with cliche bullshit.

And yet you look at Kerr and he's able to implement a good offense almost immediately showing us that it's not nearly as hard as many coaches act like it is. You just gotta have trust in your most talented players.

[Derka]

Don't put Scal down. He got sent down to the D-League team because he didn't buy the kind of game Jackson was selling. If you've seen Scal call Celtics games when Tommy's not there, he's got a terrific mind for the game.

[imnew09]

Lakers shouldve hired him or Jeff Van Gundy instead of fken Bryan DumbA$$

[chocolatethunder]

The GM for Golden State, Rick Welts, is gay. Mark Jackson is anti-gay marriage for religious reasons. I doubt Jackson was constantly spouting bigotry but that relationship cannot possibly have been comfortable. It's quite likely that it led to Jackson's firing, not some random epiphany that the team would be much better with a head coach that had actually never been a coach before. And to me, that could be a good reason to pick one guy over another but that's not what the owner is saying here. We know that, for whatever reason, Jackson didn't like Scal. But how do we know whether or not Scal was a good assistant? It's hard enough for us to tell who the good assistants are when they have a long history, Scal was in what, his first assistant job? We just don't know about him either way. But we do know that we had a gay GM dealing with a coach that opposed a key issue for all gay people.

There is no fault to be found with how the Warriors developed under Jackson. People are making a big deal about how the Warriors have the top defense but under Jackson they were #4. With Bogut being healthy in Kerr's brief tenure, a luxury Jackson didn't enjoy, going from 4 (which is already excellent) to 1 isn't such an amazing leap.

Kerr has so far done a fine job. But it's premature to declare a massive improvement in coaching just because there has been some improvement over 19 games. If Bogut gets hurt like he was under Jackson that improvement could easily disappear.
I think you're trying to make something more out of something that's nothing. They knew all about Jackson's religious zeal when they hired him. I don't get why people refuse to let this be about his coaching. HIs shortcomings are well documented. It is common practice for new/green coaches to hire proven assistants (gentry for example). Jackson had Malone and lost him and didn't replace him him with anyone proven or even build a good staff. Scal very well could have been a good assistant but again, it's normal to hire proven ones along with young guys who are learning. Look at Pops staff or Larry Browns or P Jax or any coaches who've won. That's common practice. People want to make this into a story about his religion and Steven A Smith tried to make it about race. The fact of the matter is that it was about his coaching.

As far as Bogut is concerned, Bogut himself said he was told only to rebound and play D. Who did Thompson credit for their offensive explosion? Bogut. A guy who barely touched the ball when Jackson was there. Yeah he was hurt a lot too but Lee is hurt right now. Just concentrate on the facts and not all of the gossip and conjecture. The facts are that that team with all their offensive firepower wasn't performing they way they should have been.

[gilalizard]

I'll never forgive Golden State for firing Jackson. Now I have to hear him back as a game commentator.

[TheBigVeto]

Everyone could see he doesn't know shit..

Probably told his guys stuff like "mama, there went that man.. cant do nothin bout that"

This.

He was a very good PG though.

[HomieWeMajor]

I think that the owner was tired with Mark leaving his team to go and cheat on his wife.

[oarabbus]

Everyone could see he doesn't know shit..

Probably told his guys stuff like "mama, there went that man.. cant do nothin bout that"


:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

If youre going to use biblical moralism to oppose gay marriage you really cant get caught paying off a hooker you had an affair with. That whole thing was kind of embarrassing to the organization.

If youre going to be a coach, you really have to be able to actually be on speaking terms with your assistants. That whole thing was kind of embarrassing to the organization.

But perhaps most relevant to his firing... He just wasnt that good at coaching. Just bc someone sees the game well on the court doesnt mean they see it as well on the bench. Magic Johnson is example numero uno. And Mark Jackson is another perfect example. You can tell from listening to him broadcast. Anyone who simply WATCHES espn/tnt broadcasts should have known Kerr would be a much better coach than Jacko.

Funny thing is one of the dopier organizations out there will probably still hire him at some point.