Kobe is putting up prime Allen Iverson numbers

[Joyner82reload]

Taking into consideration time on the floor. Hell we can throw prime McGrady post his fluke 2003 season into this as well

Kobe 2014-15 per 36
26.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 4.9 apg 3.4 tov 49.4 TS%

Iverson 2000-2004 per 36
24.6 ppg 3.4 rpg 4.6 apg 3.1 tov 49.8 TS%

McGrady 2003-2008
23.5 ppg 5.5 rpg 5.4 apg 2.5 tov 51.2 TS%

Just goes to show how overrated Iverson and McGrady were.

[Kvnzhangyay]

your comparing how many games to how many years?

[SugarHill]

Iverson is so overrated that he put up essentially the same numbers as peak Kobe in 06 as a 30 year old after the rule change.

T-Mac would shit on this league with these rules. Put up those stats in 03

"Fluke season"

Hahaha

[Akrazotile]

Yeah but Iverson played better defense :yaohappy:

[RRR3]

You like advanced stats don't you?
Why don't you compare those.

[Mr. Jabbar]

both had a medical condition of excess testosterone, but kobe never treated himself :bowdown:

[bdreason]

I love numbers without context. Why even watch the games when you can just look at the box scores later.

[Shih508]

Iverson is so overrated that he put up essentially the same numbers as peak Kobe in 06 as a 30 year old after the rule change.

T-Mac would shit on this league with these rules. Put up those stats in 03

"Fluke season"

Hahaha

This!

AI did it while being 6 inch shorter, 50lb lighter while being hated so much by David Stern.

AI > Kobe

Kobe is nothing without great supports from Shaq Pau and Stern! Face it!

[oarabbus]

This!

AI did it while being 6 inch shorter, 50lb lighter while being hated so much by David Stern.

AI > Kobe

:biggums:

[AintNoSunshine]

Kobe had a fluke career:lol

[Collie]

You put AI in today's PG-centric league, I wonder how he does.

[T_L_P]

03 and 04 T-Mac was a better offensive player than Kobe ever was, tbh.

You're right on Iverson though, who was never a top 5 player in the game (only a top 10 player maybe twice).

[Chrono90]

I'm a kobe fan but it sounds like you never seen prime Iverson

[dreamwarrior]

Not a single person ever complained about tmacs fg% during those years.

[tragicbronson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StMmPaVGDg

What a great player :applause: . Still so great but more and more people hating on him :facepalm

[kurple]

Just goes to show how overrated Iverson and McGrady were.
no.

this post just prove how criminally underrated both those guys are

[kurple]

03 and 04 T-Mac was a better offensive player than Kobe ever was, tbh.

You're right on Iverson though, who was never a top 5 player in the game (only a top 10 player maybe twice).
negged for being stupid

how the fvck was AI not top5 i 01?

[riseagainst]

03 and 04 T-Mac was a better offensive player than Kobe ever was, tbh.

You're right on Iverson though, who was never a top 5 player in the game (only a top 10 player maybe twice).

:biggums:

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[Shih508]

You put AI in today's PG-centric league, I wonder how he does.

All these PG today wouldn't be the same if they didn't see AI plays. That's how influential AI was. Same goes MJ, Kobe VC Tmac AI and Ray wouldn't be the same if there were no MJ.

On the other hand, Kobe is just an counterfeit of MJ.....

[Shih508]

Since Marc Stein invented that PER shit, now players only want to make sure their numbers look great on PER, so most of super stars only play 35min a game in today's league. On the other hand, AI always gave it all he had so on PER his stats would never look great.

I'd rather have my best player on court as long as he can sustain without getting injured than having my # 8 or 9 or 10th guy taking those minutes. Players nowaday are so weak.....

[Lebron23]

AI actually became an efficient scorer after the league changed some rules at the start of the 2005-06 NBA Season.

[chocolatethunder]

You put AI in today's PG-centric league, I wonder how he does.
Not sure because he played SG.

[Artillery]

Taking into consideration time on the floor. Hell we can throw prime McGrady post his fluke 2003 season into this as well

Kobe 2014-15 per 36
26.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 4.9 apg 3.4 tov 49.4 TS%

Iverson 2000-2004 per 36
24.6 ppg 3.4 rpg 4.6 apg 3.1 tov 49.8 TS%

McGrady 2003-2008
23.5 ppg 5.5 rpg 5.4 apg 2.5 tov 51.2 TS%

Just goes to show how overrated Iverson and McGrady were.

This comparison just makes Kobe's numbers look that much worse considering he's posting that poor efficiency in an era where it's easy for guards to score on high efficiency.

[CelticBaller]

lmao both iverson and mcgrady would do nasty things to the current nba where harden is considered a star :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

You like advanced stats don't you?
Why don't you compare those.

nah, OP likes his stats selective.

[KingLeBronJames]

Yeah but Iverson played better defense :yaohappy:
Iverson played defense?

[Collie]

Not sure because he played SG.

it doesn't matter. AI was far better than guys like Wall or Teague who are outstanding players today. The year after they changed the rules, 30 year old AI was dropping 33 ppg on 54% TS. A past prime AI in Denver averaged 22 ppg on 56% TS.

[Shih508]

it doesn't matter. AI was far better than guys like Wall or Teague who are outstanding players today. The year after they changed the rules, 30 year old AI was dropping 33 ppg on 54% TS. A past prime AI in Denver averaged 22 ppg on 56% TS.

AI last full season with Denver he had 26.4 ppg and having his career best 56.7% TS while only took 19 shots per game at age 32.

[TheBigVeto]

This!

AI did it while being 6 inch shorter, 50lb lighter while being hated so much by David Stern.

AI > Kobe

Kobe is nothing without great supports from Shaq Pau and Stern! Face it!

This is correct. Well done sir. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[ImKobe]

03 and 04 T-Mac was a better offensive player than Kobe ever was, tbh.

You're right on Iverson though, who was never a top 5 player in the game (only a top 10 player maybe twice).

02-04 T-Mac

30/6/6 on 44/36/79 shooting (40 MPG)

T-Mac did this in the 2 regular seasons he hit his peak, Kobe averaged those numbers (and on better FG% and TS%, I might add) for his 3 straight Finals runs in the Playoffs alone :kobe:

and 05-08 Kobe's regular season numbers:

32/6/5 on 46/35/85 shooting (40 MPG)

Yes, Mac was great those two years with his individual play, but it meant nothing for his legacy in the long run. It's a shame he was never in the right situation and that his health gave up on him as quickly as it did, but that doesn't mean you can use one great regular season from his career and put that up against Kobe's longetivity and Playoff career and claim he was the better player or scorer. That's ridiculous. He would be the first to give it up to Kobe.


T-Mac only had two great offensive years in his career, and they don't stack up with Kobe's body of work. One season with a better peak PER is not the end of all arguments. The difference is one turnover per game, basically. Also need to take in account how Kobe was coming off 3 straight Finals runs and probably could have been even better. Definitely showed it in stretches, the b2b 33-point triple doubles, the 9 straight 40+ point game stretch, that was a part of a 16-game 30+ point game stretch, where he was absolutely unstoppable. And Kobe scored 30 or more points in 9 out of 12 Playoff games.

You could claim 02-03 T-Mac was better than peak Kobe per statistics, but Kobe outplayed him h2h :confusedshrug: and put up comparable numbers himself, the difference wasn't that big. One regular season can't be seriously used as proof as one player was greater than the other, unless the regular season was historically remarkable.