Cavaliers are at their best when Lebron is outscored by his teammates

[CavaliersFTW]

The Cavaliers are at their absolute best when Love, Irving, or Waiters score more points than him. He should play more like early 80's Magic or Milwaukee Bucks Oscar Robertson and sacrifice and let his teammates carry the scoring load.

[navy]

Sacrifice? What are you talking about. Lebron has always been a willing passer.

That being said none of the people you mentioned has shown they can be trusted to lead a team anywhere. Besides the lottery.

[Collie]

Come playoff time, Lebron will have to carry the load until his teammates can prove they can do it.

[CavaliersFTW]

Sacrifice? What are you talking about. Lebron has always been a willing passer.

That being said none of the people you mentioned has shown they can be trusted to lead a team anywhere. Besides the lottery.
Leading a team in scoring is not the same as leading a team or being a floor general. I know he's a willing passer. I'm saying, when you exaggerate this to the point that his teammates outscore him, the Cavaliers look unstoppable, they look best when he isn't the one leading them in scoring. Isn't this a team game?

[Lebronxrings]

lebron hater detected

[navy]

Leading a team in scoring is not the same as leading a team or being a floor general. I know he's a willing passer. I'm saying, when you exaggerate this to the point that his teammates outscore him, the Cavaliers look unstoppable, they look best when he isn't the one leading them in scoring. Isn't this a team game?
No one on that team is a good enough scorer to consistently outscore Lebron. Of course they will have big games here and there. Lots of offensive firepower. But over the course of 82 games and the playoffs? Not happening.

[G0ATbe]

They're all better scorers than him anyway. I like this idea.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Leading a team in scoring is not the same as leading a team or being a floor general. I know he's a willing passer. I'm saying, when you exaggerate this to the point that his teammates outscore him, the Cavaliers look unstoppable, they look best when he isn't the one leading them in scoring. Isn't this a team game?

Yes, this is mainly because Lebron's scoring abilities force the opponents to center their defense on him, allowing his teammates to score extremely well

[Cocaine80s]

Agreed. Cavs are at their best when Dion Waiters scores 25+


He needs to start while Irving dominates off the bench

[Hoopz2332]

The Cavaliers are at their absolute best when Love, Irving, or Waiters score more points than him. He should play more like early 80's Magic or Milwaukee Bucks Oscar Robertson and sacrifice and let his teammates carry the scoring load.

he still has to score but that's exactly how he's been playing latley:biggums:


Follow-up to that stuff we said about LeBron scoring 25 points as the most telling Cavs barometer: Is their magic number actually 70? According to the latest NBA.com player-tracking data, Cleveland is 5-0 when The King makes 70 passes or more ... and 6-7 when he has 69 or fewer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings/_/year/2015/week/6

anyone who has watched lebron knows he likes handing out dimes more than scoring

Is LeBron too passive? Numbers say no


[quote]

LeBron James has often been criticized for being too passive. He

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yeah and the Thunder are at their best when Reggie Jackson outscores Durant.....it just isn't going to happen very often

[Hoopz2332]

No one on that team is a good enough scorer to consistently outscore Lebron. Of course they will have big games here and there. Lots of offensive firepower. But over the course of 82 games and the playoffs? Not happening.


exactly

[La Frescobaldi]

The Cavaliers are at their absolute best when Love, Irving, or Waiters score more points than him. He should play more like early 80's Magic or Milwaukee Bucks Oscar Robertson and sacrifice and let his teammates carry the scoring load.

He's always been more of a Magic Johnson style. Oscar is unrelated to the topic; dude had ancient creaking knees by that time. He wasn't sacrificing he was playing with wide awake, Duncan-esque self-awareness.

More than these things, to me, is... Cavs need a valid backup center and their future revolves directly around that fact.

[CavaliersFTW]

He's always been more of a Magic Johnson style. Oscar is unrelated to the topic; dude had ancient creaking knees by that time. He wasn't sacrificing he was playing with wide awake, Duncan-esque self-awareness.

More than these things, to me, is... Cavs need a valid backup center and their future revolves directly around that fact.
True, teams with potent front courts could beat us from the inside out with Love and Thompson's sub 6-8/240 size. Varejao is our only center-sized player worth getting minutes but even his natural position was PF. We've essentially got 3 power forwards (albeit really good ones). And we don't have a single player with the length or timing necessary to protect the rim if our perimeter defense fails.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

True, teams with potent front courts could beat us from the inside out with Love and Thompson's sub 6-8/240 size an we don't have a single player with the length or timing necessary to protect the rim if our perimeter defense fails.

Neither did the Heat...it worked out.

[CavaliersFTW]

Neither did the Heat...it worked out.
Heat had better perimeter defense, and rim protection / shot blockers. Also matchups count in the playoffs/Finals. The Heat did a lot worse against the Spurs and Mavs, teams with a potent inside presence, than they did against OKC, a team without those options.

[navy]

Neither did the Heat...it worked out.
Bosh, Lebron and Wade were all elite defenders perimeter for the first three years. Cavs cant hope to apply that kind of pressure.

[HomieWeMajor]

Yeah I agree. He should take the Wilt role cause Wilt's teams were better when he wasn't padding his scoring numbers.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Heat had better perimeter defense, and rim protection / shot blockers. Also matchups count in the playoffs/Finals. The Heat did a lot worse against the Spurs and Mavs, teams with a potent inside presence, than they did against OKC, a team without those options.
Heat had rim protection??
You mean 20 minutes of mid-30's birdman a game?

[Dr.J4ever]

The Cavaliers are at their absolute best when Love, Irving, or Waiters score more points than him. He should play more like early 80's Magic or Milwaukee Bucks Oscar Robertson and sacrifice and let his teammates carry the scoring load.

Agreed.

The Cavs should have more than enough scoring from Lebron's cohorts, really. Love and Irving are explosive scorers, and should be good enough to make them win most of their games with Lebron assisting. However, they lack the big game experience in clutch moments.

So this is what truly great players do. If Love and Irving's scoring will lead to more wins, this is what Lebron should do. Truly great players improve their teammates, and Lebron taking over when needed in clutch moments, should be the Cavs SOP.

[CavaliersFTW]

Heat had rim protection??
You mean 20 minutes of mid-30's birdman a game?
It's an improvement over what the Cavs have ...no one. Our front court is better offensively and rebounding wise though. Still doesn't negate our need for rim protection though, particularly given that our backcourt defense is far from water tight.

[edrick]

The Cavs bench is streaky as all hell, dead last in scoring. Only Love or Kyrie can consistently outscore Lebron, and if one or both of them have off nights, Lebron has to look to score more.

[Real14]

The Cavaliers are at their absolute best when Love, Irving, or Waiters score more points than him. He should play more like early 80's Magic or Milwaukee Bucks Oscar Robertson and sacrifice and let his teammates carry the scoring load.
I agree with only the bolded.

[CavaliersFTW]

I agree with only the bolded.
Care to elaborate how you disagree with the unbolded?

[Real14]

Care to elaborate how you disagree with the unbolded?
He's no Oscar and he's no Magic.:no:

[CavaliersFTW]

The Cavs bench is streaky as all hell, dead last in scoring. Only Love or Kyrie can consistently outscore Lebron, and if one or both of them have off nights, Lebron has to look to score more.
Right, and also Dion should be really trying to step up if Love or Kyrie are having off nights. And all 3 should be setting up plays for this to happen. Lebron has a gift to create points in a pinch without help so does Kyrie actually. But the team should play in such a way that the guys who can't create as well but can still light it up on the scoring card if set up properly are getting the healthiest amount of touches. When we've played like that, like tonight, we look nearly unstoppable for good stretches of the game.

[hahaitme]

That's whats been happening recently I would assume though. LeBron has had a few cold shooting nights and has started just driving + dishing

[La Frescobaldi]

He's no Oscar and he's no Magic.:no:

Yes he is.

[jlip]

Cavaliers are at their best when LeBron plays for them.

[AintNoSunshine]

The Cavaliers are at their absolute best when Love, Irving, or Waiters score more points than him. He should play more like early 80's Magic or Milwaukee Bucks Oscar Robertson and sacrifice and let his teammates carry the scoring load.


'cause no one else on his team can playmake:facepalm

[Real14]

Yes he is.
http://epmgaa.media.lionheartdms.com/img/photos/2014/05/04/IMG_0231-1_t750x550.jpg?626c74b6d570df44fd02ecca30244159e00 5ff34

[Mr. Jabbar]

true. bran's at his best when playing hot potato, no need to try be the hero and end up lying on the floor during crunch time

[Real14]

true. bran's at his best when playing hot potato, no need to try be the hero and end up lying on the floor during crunch time
That's indeed one of his signature moves. Unforgettable:applause:

[Marchesk]

Neither did the Heat...it worked out.

Good thing Indiana was offensively challenged.

[ArbitraryWater]

Cavaliers are at their best when LeBron plays for them.

Basically.. OP asking for absurd requirements when there's no one on the team with the god like scoring ability of LeBron's and no one to outscore him for an entire postseason, none the less regular season.

[ballinhun8]

This thread was hilarious.


A real Cavs fan taking on all the Bron Bron trolls.

[Trollsmasher]

http://puu.sh/dnAuV/b21a39ccc8.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

This seems like it is pretty obvious. LeBron is at his best when he's impacting all facets of the game. Scoring has never really been his primary weapon which is amazing given how great a scorer he has been over the course of his career.

On this team he should absolutely not be forced to carry the scoring load. That's what makes the Cavs' offense so potentially scary. As well as they are playing right now, they're not even scratching the surface. In theory, LeBron should be able to realize his true ceiling on this team.

Just so people understand, the Dion Waiters we saw last night is what Cavs fans grew accustomed to last season. That was much more characteristic of what he contributed regularly than the hot mess he had been prior. There's really no reason he can't be that kind of explosive player regularly off the bench as long as he is given stretches of the game where he has the freedom to create. He's a damn talented scorer and playmaker... too talented to play the way he has been lately.

Put that guy on a roster with the best player in the league, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Varejao and a much improved Tristan Thompson? Hopefully this team's ceiling is reached because it could get interesting.

[pegasus]

true. bran's at his best when playing hot potato, no need to try be the hero and end up lying on the floor during crunch time
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

:confusedshrug: true story?

[Relinquish]

:confusedshrug: true story?

It depends on whether or not his teammates can outscore him.

[Rose'sACL]

It depends on whether or not his teammates can outscore him.
actually, OP hates lebron and is pissed that like most of his threads about lebron, this is factually wrong too.
go ahead and check the cavs games this season where lebron got outscored by someone on his team.

[Relinquish]

actually, OP hates lebron and is pissed that like most of his threads about lebron, this is factually wrong too.
go ahead and check the cavs games this season where lebron got outscored by someone on his team.

I never said it was factually right, I was jut pointing out that his teammates have poor shooting nights more frequently than Lebron does.

[RedBlackAttack]

Sacrifice? What are you talking about. Lebron has always been a willing passer.

That being said none of the people you mentioned has shown they can be trusted to lead a team anywhere. Besides the lottery.
I find this to be a pretty weak argument. How many guys at 21 and carrying the kind of burden Kyrie has over the previous three years could do much better than fighting for a low playoff seed, which the Cavs did last year?

We're seriously going to start branding guys as losers at 21 years old and playing for franchises that are openly not trying to win? The Cavs literally did not want to get out of the lottery in his first two years in Cleveland. Last season was the first year that they really tried to make a run and Mike Brown spent the first 30 games trying to run an offense through Andrew Bynum, who is no longer in the league.

Sans Bynum, the Cavs were just a little under .500 last year and that includes games that Kyrie didn't play due to injury.


I agree that LeBron is at his best when the scoring load is being shared throughout the roster. That has always been the case for him, even when he was at his most high-flying and athletic. I would say the most impressive single-game performance -- from strictly a team perspective -- in LeBron's first stint in Cleveland was Game 6 in 2007 against the Pistons when Boobie Gibson went nuts on all those threes.

That was LeBron at his most lethal. Yeah, he carried the scoring the game before, but the Pistons stood no chance when other guys started knocking down shots.

That's what you hope great players do... work well together. People are focusing way too much on what Kyrie did prior to LeBron James showing up. That's burying the lead, imo.

What should be talked about more is just how well he plays off of LeBron. Just looking at it from how guys mesh together, Kyrie seems like the best offensive "fit" James has played with. While he may not be as consistently great as Wade was in 2010-11 (yet), they play a more seamless game together than LeBron and Wade ever did.

[Trollsmasher]

Aren't the Cavs like 23-2 when LeBron scores over 25?:biggums:

[RedBlackAttack]

Aren't the Cavs like 23-2 when LeBron scores over 25?:biggums:
18-4 actually.

[funnystuff]

:confusedshrug: true story?
Pretty hard to outscore a player who was fking inactive. :facepalm

The Cavs needed 55 points from Kyrie to inch out a win with Lebron sitting, so if anything it's an indication of Lebrons impact.

[RedBlackAttack]

Pretty hard to outscore a player who was fking inactive. :facepalm

The Cavs needed 55 points from Kyrie to inch out a win with Lebron sitting, so if anything it's an indication of Lebrons impact.
Erm, on the second night of a back-to-back. After a travel night 12 hours earlier. Against one of the top three teams in the Western Conference. Who had several days off due to snow canceling their last game. While also holding one of the hottest players in the league to 4-of-19 from the field.

But yeah. Totally unimpressive win.


I'm going to take this post to mean that expectations are back to being totally ludicrous for the Cavs. Again.

[Trollsmasher]

18-4 actually.
thanks, I saw the stat on Twitter few days ago and couldn't find it now

That's still 82% win percentage so OP can go find himself a buttplug

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pretty hard to outscore a player who was fking inactive. :facepalm

The Cavs needed 55 points from Kyrie to inch out a win with Lebron sitting, so if anything it's an indication of Lebrons impact.
Are you insinuating LeBron is worth 55 points and a Cavs win? Every game? We're talking about a super-human if that's the case. :oldlol:

[funnystuff]

Erm, on the second night of a back-to-back. After a travel night 12 hours earlier. Against one of the top three teams in the Western Conference. Who had several days off due to snow canceling their last game. While also holding one of the hottest players in the league to 4-of-19 from the field.

But yeah. Totally unimpressive win.


I'm going to take this post to mean that expectations are back to being totally ludicrous for the Cavs. Again.
What are these semantics? Do you honestly believe the Cavs without Lebron are elite?

[hahaitme]

OP hates LeBron so much, prob one of those jersey burners on youtube lmao

[Quickening]

OP is the worst type of fan. He is the one of those people who will criticise Lebron stans, whilst stating how he is a one team man... Yet at the same time he would be quite happy if the Cavs lost if it meant he could complain about Lebron.

Pathetic :lol :oldlol:

[RightTwoCensor]

OP takin Ls like the 2011 Cavaliers :yaohappy:

[julizaver]

OP is the worst type of fan. He is the one of those people who will criticise Lebron stans, whilst stating how he is a one team man... Yet at the same time he would be quite happy if the Cavs lost if it meant he could complain about Lebron.

Pathetic :lol :oldlol:

:lol
At the posters/stans biting ...

[RedBlackAttack]

What are these semantics? Do you honestly believe the Cavs without Lebron are elite?
Considering all the circumstances which I pointed out above, it would have been an impressive win for the Cavs even if LeBron had played. The Blazers are a good team... a 30+ win team in the Western Conference. And they had three consecutive days in Cleveland to prepare for the game.

You'd have to be a troll or stupid to attempt to spin it any other way.

[lilteapot]

A team is at their best when their best player who averages 26ppg has teammates that score over 20? WOW what a surprise.

[GimmeThat]

the term "the best" here, doesn't sound very precise.

[StephHamann]

Cavaliers are at their best when they outscore their opponent.

[Papaya Petee]

how well he plays off of LeBron. Just looking at it from how guys mesh together, Kyrie seems like the best offensive "fit" James has played with. While he may not be as consistently great as Wade was in 2010-11 (yet), they play a more seamless game together than LeBron and Wade ever did.

That is the most incorrect post in this entire thread.

First of all, Kyrie will probably never reach 2010-2011 Wade level, (26\6\5\2\1 on 50% shooting, great D, top 3 player in the NBA and dominant playoffs aside from 1 series) so you saying "yet" is ridiculous. He's not even on 2011-2012 Wade level, and probably on par or slightly below 2012-2013 regular season Wade.

Second of all, you must of not watched a lot of Heat games if you try to say Wade and LeBrons game together wasn't seamless. By the second season they figured it out, and they played the prettiest 1+2 combo in the entire league. Backdoor passes, fast breaks, amazing ally oops. Drive and kicks. Not saying they won't, but the chemistry between Kyrie and LeBron isn't on the level of what Wade and LeBron had. It was a beauty to watch.

[secund2nun]

That is the most incorrect post in this entire thread.

First of all, Kyrie will probably never reach 2010-2011 Wade level, (26\6\5\2\1 on 50% shooting, great D, top 3 player in the NBA and dominant playoffs aside from 1 series) so you saying "yet" is ridiculous. He's not even on 2011-2012 Wade level, and probably on par or slightly below 2012-2013 regular season Wade.

Second of all, you must of not watched a lot of Heat games if you try to say Wade and LeBrons game together wasn't seamless. By the second season they figured it out, and they played the prettiest 1+2 combo in the entire league. Backdoor passes, fast breaks, amazing ally oops. Drive and kicks. Not saying they won't, but the chemistry between Kyrie and LeBron isn't on the level of what Wade and LeBron had. It was a beauty to watch.

You are right Irving will never reach the level of 10-11 Wade, but one area the Irving Lebron duo will blow away Wade and Lebron is halfcourt scoring . Wade killed spacing. Lebron scored better when Wade was on the bench replaced with a shooter.

[BigMacAttack]

You are right Irving will never reach the level of 10-11 Wade, but one area the Irving Lebron duo will blow away Wade and Lebron is halfcourt scoring . Wade killed spacing. Lebron scored better when Wade was on the bench replaced with a shooter.


Lebron ball.

LBJ needs 4 shooters standing on the perimeter to be his best.

[FatComputerNerd]

I find this to be a pretty weak argument. How many guys at 21 and carrying the kind of burden Kyrie has over the previous three years could do much better than fighting for a low playoff seed, which the Cavs did last year?

We're seriously going to start branding guys as losers at 21 years old and playing for franchises that are openly not trying to win? The Cavs literally did not want to get out of the lottery in his first two years in Cleveland. Last season was the first year that they really tried to make a run and Mike Brown spent the first 30 games trying to run an offense through Andrew Bynum, who is no longer in the league.

Sans Bynum, the Cavs were just a little under .500 last year and that includes games that Kyrie didn't play due to injury.


I agree that LeBron is at his best when the scoring load is being shared throughout the roster. That has always been the case for him, even when he was at his most high-flying and athletic. I would say the most impressive single-game performance -- from strictly a team perspective -- in LeBron's first stint in Cleveland was Game 6 in 2007 against the Pistons when Boobie Gibson went nuts on all those threes.

That was LeBron at his most lethal. Yeah, he carried the scoring the game before, but the Pistons stood no chance when other guys started knocking down shots.

That's what you hope great players do... work well together. People are focusing way too much on what Kyrie did prior to LeBron James showing up. That's burying the lead, imo.

What should be talked about more is just how well he plays off of LeBron. Just looking at it from how guys mesh together, Kyrie seems like the best offensive "fit" James has played with. While he may not be as consistently great as Wade was in 2010-11 (yet), they play a more seamless game together than LeBron and Wade ever did.

Great post. One of my main concerns with Lebron coming back was how he and Kyrie would mesh.

They seem to be getting along great so far. I haven't seen any ego issues whatsoever. They feed off each-other, seem to truly like each-other, and enjoy playing together.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cavs are at their best wheb their best player gets help? Wow you're a genius.

[CavaliersFTW]

Kyrie #1 scorer, LeBron 2nd option - LeBron finally bought into my system so Cavs can win a chip :applause:

Blatt had to go because he wanted LeBron to have more touches than the teams best scorer :no:

You all heard it all from me first. Cry as the LeStans might, this is Kyries team when it comes to scoring points. They're unbeatable when LeBron plays 2nd or 3rd option.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-youre-welcome.gif

[Dray n Klay]

LOL, at least this isnt the Wilt scenario where he was the 4th-5th best scorer on a team and you and Laz were pleading "but.. but. itz the system"

[nba_55]

Kyrie #1 scorer, LeBron 2nd option - LeBron finally bought into my system so Cavs can win a chip :applause:

Blatt had to go because he wanted LeBron to have more touches than the teams best scorer :no:

You all heard it all from me first. Cry as the LeStans might, this is Kyries team when it comes to scoring points. They're unbeatable when LeBron plays 2nd or 3rd option.


Lebron is still the first option.

[CavaliersFTW]

Lebron is still the first option.
You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

[Dray n Klay]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Wilt and Mario Chalmers are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

Answer this question Cavs, so would Chalmers be a 1st option over Mr. 18 ppg if they teamed up?

[nba_55]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

I would also pass it to Frye from 3 over Lebron, that doesn't make Frye first option. Lebron still has the best combinaison of scoring and playmaking on the team, that makes him the first option. Yeah Kyrie scored more than Lebron tonight, but Lebron was still the first option. The offense was running trought him most of the night. He scored or assisted 20 of the first 22 points.

[CavaliersFTW]

Answer this question Cavs, so would Chalmers be a 1st option over Mr. 18 ppg if they teamed up?
Chalmers? We're talkin bout Kyrie not Mario freaking Chalmers. This is the Cavs era not the freaking Heat era stop living in your glory days. Speaking of which - Ray Allen was your man back then.

[stalkerforlife]

Kyrie #1 scorer, LeBron 2nd option - LeBron finally bought into my system so Cavs can win a chip :applause:

Blatt had to go because he wanted LeBron to have more touches than the teams best scorer :no:

You all heard it all from me first. Cry as the LeStans might, this is Kyries team when it comes to scoring points. They're unbeatable when LeBron plays 2nd or 3rd option.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-youre-welcome.gif

:applause:

[Hey Yo]

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy278/dwright728/Witness2.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

Chalmers? We're talkin bout Kyrie not Mario freaking Chalmers. This is the Cavs era not the freaking Heat era stop living in your glory days. Speaking of which - Ray Allen was your man back then.

So deflections? Cool.

[AintNoSunshine]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?
Do you throw the ball to Shaq in this case? Doesn't mean he wasn't the first option. What about if there's 5 sec, 10 sec, full shot clock? You get it to Lebron because Kyrie isn't even close to the triple threat that Lebron is. Kyrie a scorer and that's it. Lebron can do everything.

[RedBlackAttack]

Do you throw the ball to Shaq in this case? Doesn't mean he wasn't the first option. What about if there's 5 sec, 10 sec, full shot clock? You get it to Lebron because Kyrie isn't even close to the triple threat that Lebron is. Kyrie a scorer and that's it. Lebron can do everything.

FWIW, Kyrie is averaging 5+ assists and just 1.7 turnovers per game in the playoffs. That's one of the highest A/TO ratios in the postseason. And, he's scoring at an outrageous 62% TS clip. That's called being incredibly efficient in all areas.

I don't know why this always has to be an inner-squad pissing contest. They're both playing great basketball and they're actually helping each other. All of this stuff is really just noise that doesn't mean anything.

[Hey Yo]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?
Last years playoffs, scored tied 84, with 1.5 seconds left and Kyrie's on the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdKCUpQg-sU

Not saying to give it to James every time.... just providing an example.

[raprap]

Ungrateful sons of bitches

[ballinhun8]

Last years playoffs, scored tied 84, with 1.5 seconds left and Kyrie's on the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdKCUpQg-sU

Not saying to give it to James every time.... just providing an example.


He did say from 3.....

[Hey Yo]

Corner 3's are 22 feet.

That shot was from 21

[CavaliersFTW]

FWIW for all the butthurt LeStans are feeling while Cavs clicking with Le2nd option I do still think he's primed for another fmvp even with a reduced scoring roll unless kyrie really goes off and saves the finals series with clutch plays and / or elite production.

[ShawkFactory]

This isn't really news. Lebron has ALWAYS been at his best when he isn't required to do all of the scoring.

I remember back in 2013 during that streak after a game where Magic commented that Lebron was one of those guys who can control or even dominate a game without taking a bunch of shots.

This is showing to be truer than ever right now. He's passing, playing defense, and everyone is playing their best ball with him out there.

[coin24]

FWIW for all the butthurt LeStans are feeling while Cavs clicking with Le2nd option I do still think he's primed for another fmvp even with a reduced scoring roll unless kyrie really goes off and saves the finals series with clutch plays and / or elite production.


:applause: :applause: spot on:cheers:

Kyrie batman beasting

[ArbitraryWater]

FWIW for all the butthurt LeStans are feeling while Cavs clicking with Le2nd option I do still think he's primed for another fmvp even with a reduced scoring roll unless kyrie really goes off and saves the finals series with clutch plays and / or elite production.

yeah but you realize LeBron would always take a backseat scoring wise if the rest of the team was good enough to get it going themselves? He prefers the assists, said so himself.. its very visable.. even found it frustrating at times during his Heat tenure.

[CavaliersFTW]

:applause: :applause: spot on:cheers:

Kyrie batman beasting
He's the scorer Cleveland needs. I swear there's some mamba in his DNA, ever since he challenged Kobe to one on one something a pass first player like LeBron would never do. Kyrie and LeBron turning out to be a good duo with their contrasting mentalities.

[lilteapot]

OP, do you think the Cavs have a shot at beating Golden State? If so how do they pull it off?

[coin24]

He's the scorer Cleveland needs. I swear there's some mamba in his DNA, ever since he challenged Kobe to one on one something a pass first player like LeBron would never do. Kyrie and LeBron turning out to be a good duo with their contrasting mentalities.


Kyrie is the ice in his veins alpha that Cleveland needs.. The big balled hero to take the last shot if needed, the hero that cavs fans have been waiting for... cant be letting robin throw up anymore airballs..

[PP34Deuce]

Kyrie is the ice in his veins alpha that Cleveland needs.. The big balled hero to take the last shot if needed, the hero that cavs fans have been waiting for... cant be letting robin throw up anymore airballs..

Kyrie has actually said Kobe mentors him in the offseason.

[AintNoSunshine]

FWIW for all the butthurt LeStans are feeling while Cavs clicking with Le2nd option I do still think he's primed for another fmvp even with a reduced scoring roll unless kyrie really goes off and saves the finals series with clutch plays and / or elite production.
LMFAO you are the one who feels the need to troll when the team is enjoying unprecedented success with Lebron leading their way.

[sd3035]

Cavs are demolishing everyone now that Lebald isn't chucking his team to losses :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Tking714]

No sh!t because Lebron always scores 25+ points. Any team would be at their best with two 25+ scorers.

[tpols]

yes, Lebron just wants to run, dish, and finish.

if youre the opposing team you want to make him a shooter, 2013 spurs style at this point because he has absolutely no confidence or consistency in his form, and even if he hits one or two it will be unsustainable for a whole 7 game series if you have even a semblance of an offense to take advantage.

But I still dont understand how teams are playing him. Detroit was the only team to dare him to shoot, and yea he made them pay for it here and there but for the most part it worked and that series was Clevelands closest bout.

[Papaya Petee]

:roll: LeBron is toying with his opponents so far, shooting a ridiculous % and filling up the stat sheet in other ways.

Everybody that isn't delusional or braindead knows that if the series and games were tighter, LeBron would be scoring the most points on the Cavs and taking control of the games every single time.

[lilteapot]

yes, Lebron just wants to run, dish, and finish.

if youre the opposing team you want to make him a shooter, 2013 spurs style at this point because he has absolutely no confidence or consistency in his form, and even if he hits one or two it will be unsustainable for a whole 7 game series if you have even a semblance of an offense to take advantage.

But I still dont understand how teams are playing him. Detroit was the only team to dare him to shoot, and yea he made them pay for it here and there but for the most part it worked and that series was Clevelands closest bout.

Yeah, Lebron and the Cavs should worry about him not making outside shots. Gonna bite them in the ass when they play Golden State.

[PP34Deuce]

Yeah, Lebron and the Cavs should worry about him not making outside shots. Gonna bite them in the ass when they play Golden State.


While it's an issue, he still is capable of making jumpers. this Lebron is much smarter and a better floor leader than the previous Lebron. Iggy will take his post ups away but in transition, the man is still a locomotive.

Golden State will have to deal with a more dangerous ISO player at PG in Kyrie Irving.

Lebrons biggest challenge is Iggy and Green. Both guys figure to be on him and are brash and not afraid to go at him.