Calling Steph Curry an early MVP candidate is a joke...

[Smoke117]

Have you seen the team he is on? The players they have? He's not even the MVP of his own team...Bogut is. Bogut who leads the league in drating and is by far this teams best defender AND rebounder. (10rpg in 27 mins) I could see this team persevering and doing better without Curry as opposed to without Bogut. They still have a lot of fire power regardless and it's not like Curry is Chris Paul as far as pure pg ability.

If anything there is just too many good players for anyone to have early MVP recognition from this team.

[fpliii]

Bogut is a monster. Crazy impact.

[konex]

I agree somewhat. Blake is just as valuable. It goes by record though

[UK2K]

You could replace Curry with an average PG, and the Warriors would probably have a pretty good record. The same could not be said about Bogut.

[Smoke117]

You could replace Curry with an average PG, and the Warriors would probably have a pretty good record. The same could not be said about Bogut.

:biggums: Uh...no. You could not just replace Bogut with an "average" center and expect the same results. That is asinine.

Edit: Oh a good record...probably. Probably similar to last years Suns maybe. The team falls of huge without Bogut though and frankly they did only win 51 games last year...I guess it depends on how much you think that was Mark Jackson.

[Kvnzhangyay]

:biggums: Uh...no. You could not just replace Bogut with an "average" center and expect the same results. That is asinine.

Bogut's passing and defense isn't THAT easily replaceable by an "average" center...

[navy]

The warriors are 16-2 and Curry is their best player. Yeah the team is great. Bogut is a beast. Put its not like Curry is out there putting up garbage.

Dude is the MVP. (For now)

[Smoke117]

The warriors are 16-2 and Curry is their best player. Yeah the team is great. Bogut is a beast. Put its not like Curry is out there putting up garbage.

Dude is the MVP. (For now)

No he isn't. This one of the main problems with basketball and fans in general...Steph Curry averages the most points on the team...he must be the most valuable player...except he's not. What he does ON THIS TEAM is easier replaced than what Bogut does. It's a personnel thing maybe...but it's still true.

[T_L_P]

It's Harden so far imo. Roster is really depleted and he's playing solid on defense for once.

Bogut is the real MVP of the team, but by traditional voting standards it would be Curry. Unless you play with another MVP candidate, the strength of the squad doesn't factor that much imo.

[The Macho Man]

Considering bout is made of glass and curry has little baby girl ankles we will surely get to see the impact each of them being out has

Anyhow rasual butler is the real mvp

[navy]

No he isn't. This one of the main problems with basketball and fans in general...Steph Curry averages the most points on the team...he must be the most valuable player...except he's not. What he does ON THIS TEAM is easier replaced than what Bogut does. It's a personnel thing maybe...but it's still true.
****ing Bullshit. The Warriors are unreal when Curry is on the Court. Im not even hating on Bogut. But if you asked him who the MVP of the team is, do you really think he would say himself and not Curry? No.

Yeah Bogut is valuable as he is their only center, but that doest mean he is Steph Curry who is without question a top 5 player this year. Hell, you could put him at number 1 so far.

[Inferno]

Considering bout is made of glass and curry has little baby girl ankles we will surely get to see the impact each of them being out has

Anyhow rasual butler is the real mvp

'baby girl ankles' has played 80, 74, 26, 78, and 78 games in his previous season. Can you find the outlier?

[SouBeachTalents]

Better than all those Bosh for MVP threads after 3 games

[Heavincent]

OP is a shithead. Arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history, and the league's best PG is "replaceable"? :oldlol:

OP is one of those basketball hipsters who are overly obsessed with 10/10 big men. Yes, every title team needs a guy like Bogut, but is he the best player on the team? Absolutely not. He would tell you that himself, as would Steve Kerr. Yes, he's a vital piece, but you're taking it way too far. You sound just as silly as those people who think Tyson Chandler was the MVP of the 2011 Mavs.

Seriously, this is just ludicrous.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is a shithead. Arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history, and the league's best PG is "replaceable"? :oldlol:

OP is one of those basketball hipsters who are overly obsessed with 10/10 big men. Yes, every title team needs a guy like Bogut, but is he the best player on the team? Absolutely not. He would tell you that himself, as would Steve Kerr. Yes, he's a vital piece, but you're taking it way too far. You sound just as silly as those people who think Tyson Chandler was the MVP of the 2011 Mavs.

Seriously, this is just ludicrous.

That was LeBron

[PsychoBe]

a lite skin player should never be the mvp :facepalm

[imnew09]

a lite skin player should never be the mvp :facepalm

Fken Nash stole 2 Mvps from KOBE

[SouBeachTalents]

Fken Nash stole 2 Mvps from KOBE

:roll: Dude just proved he's not a real Kobe fan

[SugarHill]

:roll: Dude just proved he's not a real Kobe fan
You know exactly what he means by light skin and he was joking anyway :durantunimpressed:

[Magic 32]

I guess we should give the award to someone in the Little League conference instead :facepalm

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP is a shithead. Arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history, and the league's best PG is "replaceable"? :oldlol:

OP is one of those basketball hipsters who are overly obsessed with 10/10 big men. Yes, every title team needs a guy like Bogut, but is he the best player on the team? Absolutely not. He would tell you that himself, as would Steve Kerr. Yes, he's a vital piece, but you're taking it way too far. You sound just as silly as those people who think Tyson Chandler was the MVP of the 2011 Mavs.

Seriously, this is just ludicrous.

Nice example too. :oldlol: Going by his logic, Jordan (who had regressed defensively) wasn't actually the "real" MVP because Rodman led the team in drating and rebounding by far.

I don't think Curry is the MVP but he's definitely playing at the level Rose was in 2011, maybe even better.

[oarabbus]

You know you're doing it right when haters are going hard all day.

Steph is one of the FEW players in the league who's eye test is unquestionably more impressive than his stats.

And his stats 23/5/8/2stl with 3 treys a game on 49/41/92 in 32min... that's in the running for MVP.

Suck it haters :banana:

[bdreason]

MVP's usually come from stacked teams... as winning is typically a prerequisite.

[Smoke117]

Nice example too. :oldlol: Going by his logic, Jordan (who had regressed defensively) wasn't actually the "real" MVP because Rodman led the team in drating and rebounding by far.

I don't think Curry is the MVP but he's definitely playing at the level Rose was in 2011, maybe even better.

You got me good, bro. That was exactly my thought process. It wasn't like I've been watching Bogut his entire career and just made it easier for all you piss-ants by using statistics. Oh wait...

[fpliii]

OP is a shithead. Arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history, and the league's best PG is "replaceable"? :oldlol:

OP is one of those basketball hipsters who are overly obsessed with 10/10 big men. Yes, every title team needs a guy like Bogut, but is he the best player on the team? Absolutely not. He would tell you that himself, as would Steve Kerr. Yes, he's a vital piece, but you're taking it way too far. You sound just as silly as those people who think Tyson Chandler was the MVP of the 2011 Mavs.

Seriously, this is just ludicrous.
He's been the arguably the best defensive player in the league to date. Not something I can ignore.

Not sure if I can put him on Curry's level though. Only one PG is definitely better IMO, and Steph is an unparalleled shooting talent.

[Heavincent]

He's been the arguably the best defensive player in the league to date. Not something I can ignore.


Bogut is vital to the Warriors success. Nobody is denying that...but he's obviously not more important than Curry.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You got me good, bro. That was exactly my thought process. It wasn't like I've been watching Bogut his entire career and just made it easier for all you piss-ants by using statistics. Oh wait...
So basically you want to use stats when they suit you. In the meantime, Curry is still the Warriors' best player and a legit MVP candidate, given the voters are consistent with their criteria.

[Warfan]

You know you're doing it right when haters pop up everywhere.

Steph is one of the FEW players in the league who's eye test is unquestionably more impressive than his stats.

And his stats 23/5/8/2stl with 3 treys a game on 49/41/92 in 32min... that's in the running for MVP.

Suck it haters :banana:

:cheers: I had this long ass post I was gonna make, but whatever. Though I guess OP is saying the team is talented and stacked which is good in my eyes.

Even if you think steph is overrated, basically no one thought he'd be this good.

18-2. This team has been shit for decades besides a couple of years and now they're looking great. Get healthy soon Bogut, we need you big fella.

[Smoke117]

So basically you want to use stats when they suit you. In the meantime, Curry is still the Warriors' best player and a legit MVP candidate, given the voters are consistent with their criteria.

And they are entitled to their opinions...just like I am. I dunno why you are getting on my case considering the absolute sewer waste people call threads that come through daily. At the very least this thread can spark an semi-intelligent discussion...

[SugarHill]

He's been the arguably the best defensive player in the league to date. Not something I can ignore.

Not sure if I can put him on Curry's level though. Only one PG is definitely better IMO, and Steph is an unparalleled shooting talent.
Paul isn't "definitely" better :coleman:

[fpliii]

Paul isn't "definitely" better :coleman:
:coleman:

[oarabbus]

:coleman:


This season?

[Heavincent]

Steph is currently having the best PG season since 08 Chris Paul.

[fpliii]

This season?
It's close but yeah, I'd still go with Paul every time and not regret it. I can understand people going for Curry though. Since CP3 emerged in 08, Curry is probably the best non-CP3 PG. I think at this point, everybody would take him over 11 Rose for sure.

[Smoke117]

Steph is currently having the best PG season since 08 Chris Paul.


:biggums: Uh...Chris Paul in 09? 22.8ppg 11.0apg 5.5rpg 2.8spg 3.0topg .503%fg, much better defender etc etc...

[navy]

And they are entitled to their opinions...just like I am. I dunno why you are getting on my case considering the absolute sewer waste people call threads that come through daily. At the very least this thread can spark an semi-intelligent discussion...
To be fair, you came off aggressive. :confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

To be fair, you came off aggressive. :confusedshrug:

Showmanship is an art you know. You gotta give the people what they want.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And they are entitled to their opinions...just like I am. I dunno why you are getting on my case considering the absolute sewer waste people call threads that come through daily. At the very least this thread can spark an semi-intelligent discussion...
You know what? I'll gladly read your threads over the rat poison 3ball and mehyA produce.. :lol

Bogut is underrated though. We can all agree there.

[StephHamann]

It's close but yeah, I'd still go with Paul every time and not regret it. I can understand people going for Curry though. Since CP3 emerged in 08, Curry is probably the best non-CP3 PG. I think at this point, everybody would take him over 11 Rose for sure.

Blake is the best player on the Clippers doe

[UK2K]

:biggums: Uh...no. You could not just replace Bogut with an "average" center and expect the same results. That is asinine.

Edit: Oh a good record...probably. Probably similar to last years Suns maybe. The team falls of huge without Bogut though and frankly they did only win 51 games last year...I guess it depends on how much you think that was Mark Jackson.

Thats why I said "the same could not be said about Bogut"

:coleman:

[UK2K]

It's Harden so far imo. Roster is really depleted and he's playing solid on defense for once.

Bogut is the real MVP of the team, but by traditional voting standards it would be Curry. Unless you play with another MVP candidate, the strength of the squad doesn't factor that much imo.

^^ This...

Isaiah Canaan Out Dec 8
Comment: Canaan (ankle) has been ruled out for Wednesday's game against the Warriors, Mark Berman of Fox 26 in Houston reports.

Dwight Howard Out Dec 8
Comment: Howard (knee) is considered doubtful for Wednesday's matchup with the Warriors, Mark Berman of Fox 26 in Houston reports.

Francisco Garcia Day-To-Day Dec 8
Comment: Garcia (calf) is questionable to play Wednesday against the Warriors, Mark Berman of Fox 26 in Houston reports.

Terrence Jones Out Dec 8
Comment: Jones (leg) has improved, but isn't close to returning and is still out indefinitely, the Houston Chronicle reports.

Kostas Papanikolaou Out Dec 8
Comment: Papanikolaou (knee) said Saturday that he will likely be out 10 to 15 days, the Houston Chroncile's Jonathan Feigen reports.

That's what Harden is playing with, and he's still balling out of control. He is the only legit option they have on the floor right now, and he's averaged 27, 6, 6 over his last 8 games, not to mention he's playing above average defense. SAS said himself, if Harden played any semblance of defense, he "is easily, easily, the MVP"

It's Harden.

[Genaro]

Good lucky trying to find a player who could replace Curry's shooting and passing ability. And he's playing better defense this year as well.
Of course Bogut is very important to this team since he's their only center and only elite inside defender but Curry is the best player and the MVP of the team.

[SamuraiSWISH]

OP is one of those basketball hipsters who are overly obsessed with 10/10 big men.
:oldlol:

He's obsessed with Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, and Ray Allen. Regularly propping them up or hating on the likes of MJ, Kobe, LeBron, etc. Or in this case Bogut > Curry.

OP is the basketball equivalent to ascots, neck beards, flannel, lenseless glasses and skinny jeans. He tries really hard to be a unique snow flake. Probably no attention given to him in his every day life.

[Smoke117]

:oldlol:

He's obsessed with Scottie Pippen, David Robinson, and Ray Allen. Regularly propping them up or hating on the likes of MJ, Kobe, LeBron, etc. Or in this case Bogut > Curry.

OP is the basketball equivalent to ascots, neck beards, flannel, lenseless glasses and skinny jeans. He tries really hard to be a unique snow flake. Probably no attention given to him in his every day life.

I laughed...:applause: I don't hate Lebron (or MJ or Kobe for that matter really) though. If you are going to write an autobiographical note at least get the facts straight.

[sundizz]

23.2 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.9 spg on 49%, 41%, 92% is definitely MVP level numbers when you consider he does it in the LEAST MPG he has ever played (except for the 26 game injury season). He does all that in 32.8 mpg. That's ridiculously good.

If anyone truly thinks that Curry is not the MVP of both his team and arguably the NBA they just have hater shades on.

Bogut is great and he is the critical piece they need to go from a good team to a serious contender. However, if you take Steph Curry off this team they are significantly worse and at best a 8th seed. He does so much for the team. Whenever they are in trouble, not playing well, needing a big hoop, etc he is the go to guy and delivers night after night. He does it within the team concept which is even more amazing and does it with passing and shooting.

There is not a pg in the league that he is not more valuable than. You could replace him with any other pg in the league and that team would improve. Simply the attention he draws with his ability to shoot opens the floor so much for his teammates. Nobody is going to double anybody on the Warriors because of the attention he draws. He draws Shaq level attention...but on the perimeter. It's so unique that people just are complete haterade/unbelievable when discussing him.

He does have flaws. He'll never be a Kobe/Mike/Lebron/Durant size player so there are going to be times that he won't be able to get a shot off the same way those guys do. It is why it is important to get the right pieces around him that allow him to both pass and shoot. Though his stats would improve, he would be a much worse player if he had a Kryie mentality.

Irks me hearing people talk about him. Acting like he isn't a playoff superstar...he absolutely crushes it in the playoffs. They just lost to better teams..he did everything possible to get the W's. If they played the Clips and even had Festus they would of probably won. They took em to 7 without any centers. And they lost to the Spurs..that's it. He led a David Lee less (when he was the superstar still) team to a victory upset against the Nuggets.

[ArbitraryWater]

Better than all those Bosh for MVP threads after 3 games

:oldlol:

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Curry is perhaps the league's best offensive player. :biggums:

Last year the offense WAS Stephen Curry... Averaging 20+ & 9 APG.

Mark Jackson's offense (lack there of), was made up for by Stephen.

He isn't easily replacable at all.

Yes Bogut has great impact, but Curry, the GOAT shooter, IS the leading MVP candidate.

[L.Kizzle]

Saying Bogut is MVP is like saying Tyson Chandler was Dallas MVP in 2011.

[SyRyanYang]

I'm probably one of the biggest fans of Bogut on this forum, been following him since his Bucks' days. I believe he's one of the top rim protectors and best passing bigs in the league. His defensive impact is enormous and his contribution on the other end is also often underrated. He's easily the second most important piece to this Warriors team.

But saying he's more important than Steph is simply ludiculous.